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Re: Labor Battalion 105/32
#hungary
Peter Cherna
The book "Conscripted Slaves: Hungarian Jewish Forced Laborers on the Eastern Front during the Second World War", by Robert Rozett, has information about overall conditions and experiences of the people in the labor battalions. In the index specific KMSZ units are mentioned, and there is a brief mention of 105/32. It basically matches your information, in that it states "on July 2[5]th 1944. ... 120 men from the 105/32 KMSZ Company in Krasnoye ... went missing."
You should try contacting the Hungarian military records archive at hadtortenelmi.leveltar@... -- give them everything you know (father's name(s), date and place of birth, unit number, etc.) When I have enquired I have received an answer in about a week. They were able to locate a small amount of additional details from military records and also from some historical works on the Labor Batallions (a documentary book by Elek Karsai, „Fegyvertelen álltak az aknamezőkön…” ("They stood unarmed in the minefields..."). -- Peter Cherna, Exton PA (peter@...) Researching CSERNA (Budapest, Székesfehérvár), GRUNFELD (Székesfehérvár), BRAUN, REINER (Budapest, Nyíregyháza, Máriapócs), EHRENFELD (Pozsony, Balassagyarmat) BRACK (Ipolykeszi)
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Re: Who was Rashi's maternal uncle?
#rabbinic
Dan Rottenberg
Adam,
The Loebtree scenario you cited above— in which Rashi's mother is the granddaughter of Simeon ben Isaac ben Abun ("He-Gadol, c. 950-1020)— actually make a lot of sense. It explains why Simon the Elder (Rashi's uncle) does not seem to have been called Simon b. Isaac b. Abun. Its also keeps Rashi's mother in the Kalonymus line— not through her father, but through her grandfather Simeon ha-Gadol. The chronology works, too: Rashi's mother (born. c 1010) would be about 60 years younger than her purported grandfather Simeon ha-Gadol. Of course this must be investigated further. But I think you're on to something! Dan Rottenberg Philadelphia PA dan@...
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Re: Who was Rashi's maternal uncle?
#rabbinic
Dan Rottenberg
Yossi,
Many thanks for the Grossman citation. Is there an English translation? Dan Rottenberg dan@... Philadelphia PA USA
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Re: Kohen Hands on Woman's grave stone
#usa
binyaminkerman@...
My guess would be that when making the stone family members saw the symbol on other male family stones and therefore included it without fully understanding the meaning and conventions. There are also female gravestones that have a similar symbol but with candles that signifies the traditionally woman's role of lighting the shabbos candles and covering the eyes with one's hands when making the blessing. This does look more like the kohen hands.
-- Binyamin Kerman Baltimore MD Researching: KERMAN Pinsk SPIELER Lodz, Zloczew, Belchatow SEGALL, SCHWARTZ Piatra Neamt
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Prezlau vs Przelav vs Przeclaw vs ??
#records
Alan Reische
Good morning
I have now found the immigration records for my paternal g/grandfather and his immediate family under the surname
'Lische', 'Lesche' and variant spellings., which appears to be the surname utilized pre-emigration. The Hamburg emigration records, which are quite
helpful, show the following for place of residence:
Scheim and Miriam Lische (emigration 1880): 'Prezlau, Osterreich'. Scheim's dob: 1842-1844
Joseph Lesche (son of Simon, emigration 1885): Przelav Osterreich' Joseph's dob: 1868
There is no such community in the Jewish Genealogy database but given the phonetic similarity, I assume the two records refer to the same town. But which town?
A broader search identified several possibilities:
1. The emigration officer misheard or misrecorded the residence. Unlikely, since the same name with variant spellings is entered for the emigration of two
different people at two different times with two different agents.
2. The family came from Breslau/Wroclaw. Unlikely, because Breslau was part of Prussia and then the German Federation, and not the Austro-Hungarian Empire,
and each entry emphasizes 'Osterreich' as the nationality. Besides, how likely is it that a Hamburg emigration officer would confuse Breslau as an Austrian town?.
3. The family came from another community with a similar German or Polish equivalent name: A search points to Przemysl, one of the alternatives
for which was 'Premslau'. However, there are entries in the 1885 manifest (Joseph) for other passengers from Przemysl, and for those entries, the full name is
written out that way. Joseph's residence is listed quite differently from those, as is the entry for a young woman, possibly a family member who
traveled with him. For me, this reduces the likelihood that Joseph came from Przemysl, although given the number of families with that or a similar surname in Przemysl, I can't ignore it completely.
I expanded the search for the town and came up with any number of phonetic possibilities, but none with known ties to Scheim and his family,
with the exception of Przeclaw.The headstone for Miriam, Joseph's mother, indicates she came from Przeclaw, a small community
not far from Rzeszow. It's Yiddish equivalent is 'Pshetzlov'and one can imagine that a Yiddish speaker declaring that as
their residence can be recorded by the Hamburg agent as coming from Preslau or Przeclau.
Przclaw is also close to Debica, a larger town. I can find a number of entries for the Lische family in Debica; sadly, the family seems
to have perished in the Holocaust. I can find a linkage between Scheim and a woman from Debica who lists parents identical to Scheim's parents and may be a sibling, but that also is a brick wall. Beyond that, I cannot find Lische entries in databases, such as births, marriages or deaths, confirming my family linkage to
the Debica-Przeclaw regions. A local genealogist doesn't find that linkage either.
I do not find clusters of similar surnames in other localities that could be identified with the Lische family,
I have tried to identify other members searching for information on Przeclaw, so far without much success.
So I have the following questions:
A. Have I completely missed other communities that match the available records? Am I possibly so focused on family ties to
Przeclaw that I'm missing other likely towns with a phonetically similar name? Does the 1885 manifest completely preclude the likelihood of Przemysl or is it too much of a reach?
B. Are there other databases that should be further scrutinized?
C. Is it possible that the family was so low profile - Scheim was a tailor (schneider) - that he would have left a very faint record ?
As always, I'll be most appreciative of insights and assistance from other members.
Alan Reische
Manchester NH
Membership: 28114
Searching: Reische; Lische; Przeclaw; Prezlau; Debica
-- Alan Reische Manchester NH areische39@...
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Re: Who was Rashi's maternal uncle?
#rabbinic
Yossi Jalas
This conundrum has been researched by Avraham Grossman in his monumental work on Rishonim from Ashkenaz more than 40 years ago. Attached are 2 pages from the book specifically about the Rashi connection.
A detailed treatment about R' Shimon is given in the book from page #86. Yossi Jalas USA
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Re: Kohen Hands on Woman's grave stone
#usa
Sarah L Meyer
I would say that she was Jewish - and a Bat Kohen from both the hands and her maiden name. I think it is very unusual. I have seen many Jewish gravestones, especially Reform without Hebrew.
-- Sarah L Meyer Georgetown TX ANK(I)ER, BIGOS, KARMELEK, PERLSTADT, STOKFISZ, SZPIL(T)BAUM, Poland BIRGARDOVSKY, EDELBERG, HITE (CHAIT), PERCHIK Russia (southern Ukraine) and some Latvia or Lithuania https://www.sarahsgenies.com
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Re: Who was Rashi's maternal uncle?
#rabbinic
Dan Rottenberg
Adam,
You raise some new avenues to pursue, notably the possibility that Simon the Elder was not born Simon b. Isaac b. Abun. I am persuaded that Simeon b. Isaac b. Abun ("Ha-Gadol," c. 960-1020, born & died in Mayence) and Rashi's uncle Simon the Elder (b.c. 1000) were two different people. But I suspect they were related to each other somehow. Both lived in Mayence (now Mainz), a relative intimate rabbinic community. I've found at least one human connection between the two Simons: Gershom ben Judah ("Me'or ha-Golah," b. Metz 960, died Mayence 1040) was a colleague of Simon ha-Gadol and was also the teacher of Simon the Elder. Also, the Jewish Encyclopedia article on Mayence notes that the Kalonymos family (Rashi's mother's presumed relatives) established a rabbinic academy in Mayence. about the year 1000. These threads lead me to suspect that Simon ha-Gadol and Simon the Elder were somehow cousins. You also raise another question in my mind: What was the given name of Rashi's mother? I've seen her called Miriam or Leya, but mostly just "Rashi's mother." I'm not persuaded by what evidence I've seen so far. One more question: Has anyone seen a biography of Simon the Elder? I haven't. To be continued....! Dan Rottenberg Philadelphia PA dan@...
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Re: driver in Krakow /Lizensk area for few hours
#poland
Ian Charles
We found this fellow was excellent when visiting pre-pandemic - courteous, helpful and informative: Tomasz Czerwiec, tel +48 502 279 081
-- Ian Charles London, UK
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Re: Kohen Hands on Woman's grave stone
#usa
Family and DNA
My great-grandfather was cremated in Philadelphia, he was 100% Ashkenazi
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& would have described himself as Jewish. "Jews" come in all sorts, & have been known to do many quite shocking things... like naming their kids after living people, getting cremated, eating bacon, & so on. 😁 Juliana Berland (France)
On 07/09/2022 07:40, Odeda Zlotnick wrote:
-- Galicia: BADER, BADIAN, FELDMANN, FREIDENHEIM/FREUDENHEIM, GERTLER, VIENER * Germany: ADELSDORFER, BÄR/BAER, EPSTEINN, HAUSSMAN, ISSAK, MEYER, MOSES, ROSENSTEIN * Romania: HORNSTEIN * Russia: AMBURG, BENIN/BERLAND, BERKOVICH/BERKOWITZ, EPSTEIN, GELBURD/GOLDBERG/GAYLBURD/GILBERT
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United Kingdom's British Newspaper Archive with British Library Adds 1 Million Historical Pages Free Access to Public
#announcements
#unitedkingdom
Jan Meisels Allen
The British Newspaper Archive (https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/), in partnership with the British Library, has made a further one million historical newspaper pages available completely free to the public, reaching a new total of two million free pages.
Together, the British Newspaper Archive and the British Library are committed to releasing a total of five million free pages over five years, which can be accessed online on the British Newspaper Archive website and on Findmypast.
The British Newspaper Archive was created in 2011 when Findmypast set out to digitize the British Library’s entire newspaper collection and open it up to the public as the British Newspaper Archive. Today, it contains over 56 million pages. Exploring more of the British Newspaper Archive will result in requiring a paid subscription.
The free pages cover the years 1699-1900 across 244 titles in the UK.
I have no affiliation with Findmypast nor the British Library or the British Newspaper Archive and am posting this solely for the information of the reader.
To read previous articles on the British Newspaper Archive, British Library and Findmypast, and more see the IAJGS Records Access Alert archives at: http://lists.iajgs.org/mailman/private/records-access-alerts. You must be registered to access the archives. To register for the IAJGS Records Access Alert go to: http://lists.iajgs.org/mailman/listinfo/records-access-alerts and follow the instructions to enter your email address, full name and which genealogical organization with whom you are affiliated . You will receive an email response that you have to reply to or the subscription will not be finalized. It is required to include your organization affiliation (genealogy organization, etc.)
Jan Meisels Allen Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee
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Searching for WAJS ( WEISS) familuy Originalkly from Serbia
#general
David Lewin
Is there anyone on the list who can help me with the Serbian language?
I am seeking living descendents of a Serbian Holocaust victim family. Google shows me a couple of possibilities - but I need Serbian, not English Among the millions of Jews murdered in Auschwitz were Julija Vajs (Julius Weiss), born 1879 and his wife Karolina Vajs (Weiss) maiden name Sajnberger, born 1884. Before World War 2 their home was at Futoska 6, Novi Sad 21000, Serbia. Thanks for any help you can offer David Lewin London
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Re: Kohen Hands on Woman's grave stone
#usa
Odeda Zlotnick
Very strange, especially since there's no Hebrew on stone, no mention of her father's name, and on the other hand details of both the married and the maiden name.
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Re: Kohen Hands on Woman's grave stone
#usa
Odeda Zlotnick
Adding to my imagined story: I googled Graceland Cemetery in Chicago: they have a chapel and cremation services. Cremation is a totally non-Jewish way of treating the bodily remains of a person.
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Sara Spiegel
A happy update, all --
Joel Weintraub shared with me that High Street was changed to 6th Avenue around that time. There is indeed a Samuel GOLDFARB living at that address on 6th Avenue (aka High Street). I greatly appreciate all the excellent suggestions people made. I'm touched by how many people took the time to consider the question and send on ideas. You all are an amazing community. Kind regards, Sara Spiegel
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HUBERT family descendants from Bingula, Serbia?
#hungary
#holocaust
Moishe Miller
Dear Group,
I discovered that my gg-gf, Tzvi STERN of Mali Idos, Serbia, and later Ilok, Croatia (all part of the former Austria-Hungarian empire) had a sister, Juli, married to Israel HUBERT. I am hoping to find contemporary family alive today. Would anyone know of this HUBERT family? Seems they lived in the town of Bingula, Erdevik, and Sasinci. An Outline Descendant Tree is below. ------------------------------- Descendants of Juliana Stern
1 Juliana Stern b: 1835 in Mali Idos, Serbia d: May 26, 1912 in Ilok, Croatia
..+Israel Hubertb: 1837 in Backa Palanka, Serbiam: October 05, 1860
.....2 Jetti Hubertb: October 11, 1861 in Bingula, Serbia
.........+Philip Handlerb: October 23, 1852 in Ljubam: April 23, 1879
.............3 Herman Handlerb: February 10, 1882 in Erdevik
.............3 Eva Handlerb: August 15, 1886 in Sasinci
.....2 Lenka Hubertb: 1867 in Bingula, Serbia
.........+Adolf Scmaltzm: January 08, 1884
.............3 Samuel Scmaltzb: June 02, 1886 in Bingula, Serbia
..... 2 Joseph Hubert b: November 02, 1867 in Bingula, Serbia d: December 16, 1872 in Erdevik
.....2 Joseph Hubertb: March 30, 1870 in Bingula, Serbia
.....2 Regina Hubertb: March 03, 1873 in Bingula, Serbia
.........+Moric Neumanb: Abt. 1860 in Szilbácsm: January 13, 1891 in Bingula, Serbia
.............3 Izrael / Ignatz Neumanb: April 14, 1892 in Bingula, Serbia
.............3 Hermine Neumanb: April 26, 1893 in Bingula, Serbia
-- Shana Tova to all, Moishe Miller Brooklyn, NY moishe.miller@... JGFF #3391
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Yossi Jalas
My ancestor Hyman (Chaim) Katz was naturalized in Maryland 1893 claiming to be in USA for at least 5 years. Attached is what was found in his naturalization file.
My question is, wouldn't the court file also contain his vital info (year and town of birth)? The attached record has almost nothing of interest and the archivist writes: "This document was the only reference we found for Hyman Siegel in the naturalization index. So, unfortunately, this would be the only document that exists for his naturalization process. This could be because he was considered a minor at the time" Any help would be appreciated! Yossi Jalas USA
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"The Union Address" by Lisa Thaler, 1994
#names
Harry Moatz
Does anyone have a copy of "The Union Address" by Lisa Thaler, 1994? I am trying to find out what information it may contain about persons with the surnames Fiel, Cohen, Fial, and Teitelbaum. Please contact me privately.
-- Harry Moatz Potomac, MD, USA hamoatzi@... Moderator note: As requested, please respond privately ABOWITZ - Lomza BRODESKY - Berdichev GOLDMAN / PASNIKOW - Hadiach or Gadyach GREENBURG - Kiev KESSLER - Pruzhany KLAUBER - Sambir or Sambor SCHWARTZ / SCHWARZ / SZWARZ - Monasterzyska and Stanislawow TEITELBAUM - Yazloweic or Yazlovets WARECK and MEYER / MEER - Dembitz or Debica
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I found HIgh Street on the 1910 census; ED 610-612; mostly 612 image 22 and later.
Stuart Lichtman Melville, NY
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Labor Battalion 105/32
#hungary
Caty Zyzek
Hungary
Labor Battalion
Munkaszolgalat
My father was in the KMSZ 105/32. I would like to know details about their life between the enrollment, where they were, what they did, they fell in captivity in Kraszna, Ukrajna on july 25, 1944. Any testimony about them, others with him and also who came back. Thank you.
Caty Zyzek
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