Hi Alice

In the 1850ies Austria had a much bigger territory than today, so it's very important to know which part of Austria they came from.
Many Jewish Records of formerly Austrian territories in todays East European countries are online on familysearch.
But most of this records are not indexed, so you can only find them if you search a certain place via catalogue.

Regards

Corinne Iten
Switzerland

Ilyich means his father was Ilya. 

Yale J. Reisner
Warsaw, Poland
JGFF #913980

 

ב״ה

Why the reference to a pogrom?  The inscription on the stone clearly states that the Jews of Baranovich were “killed by Hitler - may his name be expunged.”

Yale J. Reisner
Warsaw, Poland
JGFF #913980
<yalereisner@...>

Probably was from Jewish resistance who hid them in walls of apartments when about to be raided. You can contact the Budapest archives directly by phone or via their website. If you get a copy please ask Jewishgen to publish on their website. Thank.yiu so much. Feigie Teichman

Write to your legislators indicating your support. Feigie Teichman

https://archives.hungaricana.hu/hu/lear/Lakasiv/

best regards
Marianna Toth

Hi Wendy & the group.

There are *many* more records on Wikipedia than what is shown on the TKF site! And in fact, for this town there are a lot of census records, you have a lot to work with.

Long story short, look at the Kyiv province section of the Wikipedia "shtetl records" page, which refer to the DAKO (Kyiv region archives) fonds 12-3, 280-2, 280-164, 280-201, 384-4, as well as the DAZHO (Zhitomir region archives) fond 694-1.

(Note that many of these have been indexed and/or discussed also on the J Roots Forum site, an invaluable resource but which is mostly hidden for folks who don't read Ukrainian.)

Below I've listed more detailed info about census records for the city of Berdichev, with notes on whether name lists are available so you can decide what to look at first. Good luck!

regards,
Juliana Berland
(France)

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A large number of earlier Berdichev census records are on the page for DAKO fond 280, opus 2: https://uk.wikisource.org/wiki/Архів:ДАКО/280/2

See for instance:

Case 435 (1834), with name lists @ https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:ГАКО_Бердичев_1834_купцы_и_цеховые.pdf, @ https://forum.j-roots.info/viewtopic.php?p=104592#p104592 (& following posts), and @ https://forum.j-roots.info/viewtopic.php?p=153465#p153465.

Cases 778, 779 (1850), lists @ https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:ГАКО_280_778_Бердичев_1850.pdf and @ https://forum.j-roots.info/viewtopic.php?p=153465&sid=7088fbae1e2bee073f7c9f7a24001e71#p153465.

Case 1056 is an "additional" list from 1851.

Case 1183 for 1855, 1858, 1861-62 has an even better name listing (shows frames instead of just names) @ https://forum.j-roots.info/viewtopic.php?p=282796#p282796. Berdichev appears @ 4, 12, 17, 28, 31, 35, 45, 51, 55, 57, 61, and 63 (per https://forum.j-roots.info/viewtopic.php?p=153465#p153465).

Cases 1193, 1195 (1858), name lists @ https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:ГАКО_280_1193_1858_купцы_Бердичева.pdf, and @ https://j-roots.info/forum/viewtopic.php?p=108367&sid=15234d37e5f5f28f95e304a94514a622#p108367

Case 1200 is mixed, and some names from Berdichev 1858 are listed @ https://j-roots.info/forum/viewtopic.php?p=104564&sid=cc9bd0b6d4c8a7c1dd69996be9636170#p104564

Case 1534, 1535, 1536 are mixed cities / years 1855-1861. For case 1535, Berdichev is @ 25, 120, 146, and 170 (per https://forum.j-roots.info/viewtopic.php?p=153465#p153465)

Case 1562 is maybe 1862-1864, and Berdichev is @ 8, 315, 341, and 353 (per https://forum.j-roots.info/viewtopic.php?p=153465#p153465)

Note that there are also other census files listed/linked on that DAKO 280-2 page that cover outside of the city of Berdichev, and which may or may not contain Jewish files.

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The Berdichev district 1897 census files are found in DAKO fond 384, opus 4:
https://uk.wikisource.org/wiki/Архів:ДАКО/384/4
These have indices on Wikipedia and in the JRF posts. See in particular cases 384-4-489, also 384-4-167.

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Most of the above files are also listed on the main wiki page for Jewish records covering the Kyiv province:
https://uk.wikisource.org/wiki/Архів:Єврейське_містечко/Київська_губернія

On that page you will also find these additional Berdichev census records:
DAKO 12-3-660 (1875), with name lists @ https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:ГАКО_12_3_660_Бердичев_1875.pdf, and @ https://j-roots.info/forum/viewtopic.php?p=149828&sid=3eb0aa0882b4e2536e1a820989966953#p149828
DAKO 280-164-782 (1846-1849)
DAKO 280-164-1130 (1862), with index on p.8 per https://forum.j-roots.info/viewtopic.php?p=227553#p227553
DAKO 280-164-1135 (1862), index on p.7 per https://forum.j-roots.info/viewtopic.php?p=227553#p227553
DAKO 280-164-2527 (1874 / 1874-79?), Berdichev @ 9, 18, 25, 29, 56, 343,& 363 per https://forum.j-roots.info/viewtopic.php?p=227553#p227553
DAKO 280-201-612 (1861), index @ https://forum.j-roots.info/viewtopic.php?p=282799#p282799
DAZHO 694-1-1, 694-1-2 (1847)

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Galicia: BADER, BADIAN, FELDMANN, FREIDENHEIM/FREUDENHEIM, GERTLER, VIENER * Germany: ADELSDORFER, BÄR/BAER, EPSTEINN, HAUSSMAN, ISSAK, MEYER, MOSES, ROSENSTEIN * Romania: HORNSTEIN * Russia: AMBURG, BENIN/BERLAND, BERKOVICH/BERKOWITZ, EPSTEIN, GELBURD/GOLDBERG/GAYLBURD/GILBERT

At 19:09 07/11/2022, Sharon Ann Dror wrote:

I met up with a cousin Nira for the first time in Jerusalem. She shared this below picture with me of our three relatives that were killed in the Holocaust in 1942. She also has pictures of them. Wondering how do we preserve their memory in Yad Vashem or Holocaust programs? They were killed in Poland. They should never be forgotten.
Nira's grandfather Moshe and my great grandmother Shoshana were siblings.
May Moshe, Miriam and their daughter Lena Greenberg rest in peace.
No one knows Miriam's maiden name.
Greatly appreciate any leads to where I should begin. TIA

Sharon Ann Dror
SharonAnnDror@...

Surely the Yad Vashem Pages of Testimony program would be continued - or extended - or widened - to cover a Pogrom in Russia as well?

https://www.yadvashem.org/downloads.html#pot

David \Lewin
London

A Nachala in Hebrew is an  inheritance

So Nachalat Tzvi  translates to "Hirsch's

inheritance"

David LewinLondon


At 18:12 07/11/2022, Sherri Bobish wrote:

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Long-time Ciechanów and area researchers will be pleased to learn that
Jewish Records Indexing - Poland has completed data entry of Ciechanów
“Phase 3” vital records full extractions from 1826 to 1920.  To carry out
this major initiative, we acquired scans (digital images) of all Ciechanów
records for these years.
 
As Town Leader, it would be my pleasure to send you a full description of
the project and explain how you will be able to obtain the extracts of your
family records as they become available and before they go online.
 
I look forward to hearing from you.
 
Stan Zeidenberg
Town Leader,
JRI-Poland Ciechanów Phase 3 extraction project

I am looking for suggestions or help regarding the 1875 census.

According to the Lipes Database, my great great grandfather Srul-Itzko Abramovich Gershberg was 14 y.o. in the 1875 census, In Berdichev, Kiev district. (I know he later moved to Odessa, got married twice, had kids, moved to the US, became Isaac). I am trying to go backwards because Isaac's manifest mentioned a brother Peysach in Berdichev and a census listing might confirm his existence, and give me their mother's name and/or other siblings. 

Lipes Database shows only Srul Itzko – but no other person with the patronymic Abramovich or a first name Abram – on that 1875 census. Unless he was livign with a relative with a different last name, I feel like there is info missing here. Who else was in the Gershberg (or Hershberg) household? 

So…I found a list of Ukranian records from Alex Krakovsky at https://www.tkfgen.org/open_sources_ak_p09.html and  downloaded the PDF for 1875 census in Kiev, scrolled through almost 400 pages, found what I thought was a possible match (I used translate and Steve Morse tools to show me what the Cyrillic script should look like). But what I found (listed twice on p 245 & 277 of the PDF) wasn’t the names I was loooking for according to a Russian speaker I know.

I do not want to buy it from the Lipes database without first knowing if there are other family names where Srul-Itzko is listed. As my request for that info was declined, I'd much rather try to find myself, but have no idea where else to look. 

So...would anyone have any other suggestion of how to find the record which has to exist? Would any of the other files listed on that tkgen page be worth checking? How else can I find the original record for 14 y.o. Srul-Itsko Gershberg in Berdichev? Thank you!

Regards,
Wendy Kalman
Acworth, GA
wendybkalman@...

Ethnicity estimates have nothing to do with "tagging an oldest relative from the current country."
They do not boil down to "who tests, where they are living and what history they report."
As was explained, they are generated by comparing you to a reference population of people with confirmed ancestry of a certain type. Your own "report" has nothing to do with it. If that were the case, DNA could not identify cases of misattributed parentage, which it does regularly.

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Jennifer Mendelsohn
Baltimore, Maryland
https://www.apgen.org/profiles/jennifer-mendelsohn

The entire community is invited to join us for our next free JewishGen Talks webinar:

I would try JRI-Poland and for Austria.  Did they ever immigrate to the US.
Ronald Kaplan
SCHWAMM/WEINTRAUB/SILVERMAN
PODWOLOCHESKAYA/SKALAT/KREMENENTS

In 2015 a stash of 1944 Budapest census records were found behind a wall in a Budapest apartment.  This census was conducted to identify Jewish residents in anticipation of ghettoizing Budapest.  These newly discovered records were acquired by the Budapest city archives.  They were digitizing them and planned to make them publicly available.
Does anyone know if this was done and how to access them (especially, do you have a url for them!)? 
Much appreciated, in advance.
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Nancy August
Petaluma CA 
Newark NJ
Bolechow Ukraine: AUGUST, HANDEL, BECK, EISLER, SZAPIRA, KUDISH, TURKEL
Radomyśl Wielki Poland: GRÜNBERG, GRÜN, RITTER, KANARENFOGEL
Budapest Hungary: GRÜNBERG(ER), SZEMERÉDI, URBANEK

I met up with a cousin Nira for the first time in Jerusalem. She shared this below picture with me of our three relatives that were killed in the Holocaust in 1942. She also has pictures of them. Wondering how do we preserve their memory in Yad Vashem or Holocaust programs? They were killed in Poland. They should never be forgotten.
Nira's grandfather Moshe and my great grandmother Shoshana were siblings.
May Moshe, Miriam and their daughter Lena Greenberg rest in peace.
No one knows Miriam's maiden name.
Greatly appreciate any leads to where I should begin. TIA

Sharon Ann Dror
SharonAnnDror@...

Ken,

Further on Renee's posting,

American Jewish Yearbook  1919/1920.
Nachlath Z'vi, 65 E. 109th St., organized 1896, Rabbi Kaplan

Nachlath Z'vi at 65 E. 109th St. is very close to the residence of Cantor Louis YELSKY (52 W. 111th) on the 1926 marriage record.

Just a thought.

Sherri Bobish

I have been searching off and on for about 30 years for my cousins, sisters Bernice and Betty MENDEL.  I am trying to locate Bernice and Betty, and their mother Lillian, in the 1950 census, and/or locate marriage records for Bernice and Betty.

Here’s what I know: My second cousin, two generations removed, was Sydney Claude Mendel, born about 1885 in Kentucky, and died June 22, 1934, in Indianapolis, Indiana.

On March 22, 1919, in Indianapolis, Sydney Mendel married Lillian Cowen, who was  born on January 7, 1901, in New York state.  Sydney and Lillian had two daughters:

Bernice Edith Mendel – born January 25, 1920, in Indianapolis, Indiana

Betty June Mendel – born June 26, 1921, in Indianapolis, Indiana

At some point prior to the 1930 census, Sydney and Lillian divorced.  Lillian and her daughters were recorded twice in the 1930 census, in two different places. 

On April 8, 1930, Lillian and her daughters were recorded as living in Los Angeles, California.  Lillian was listed as the head of household, with her marital status as divorced.

On June 18, 1930, they were listed as living in Long Beach, Nassau County, New York.  Lillian was listed as the step-daughter of household head William Cowen, who was married to Anna Cowen, believed to be Lillian’s mother.  Lillian’s marital status was listed as married, likely a mistake.

In the 1940 census, Lillian was listed as being married to a Charles E. Patten, who was born in New York state in 1895 or 1896.  Lillian Patten, her husband, and daughters all appeared to be living in some sort of guest or rooming house on the Upper West Side of Manhattan (West 77^th Street).  The relationship of all four members of the household to the head of the household, was “Guest.”  Lillian’s daughters were listed below her, with their surname misspelled as Mandel. 
 
In 1950, Charles E. Patten had a different wife in the census, so it’s not clear for how long Lillian was married to him.
 
What I have already tried:
 
I have searched the 1950 census for individuals named Bernice or Betty, who were born in Indiana.

I have searched the SSDI for people named Bernice or Betty with their respective dates of birth.  This turned up a number of people for both names, the majority of which I have eliminated as possibilities.

I believe that their mother Lillian died in August 1976, likely in New York.  A Lillian Patten was listed in the SSDI, who was born on January 7, 1901, and died in August 1976, with a last residence of New York, New York.

I welcome suggestions and assistance on this enigma.

Thank you very much,
Ethan Starr
Washington, DC

@Brian Weste

Thank you for posting this link.
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Steve Ferriss
Connecticut
Ferriss @ Charter.net

This is a great forum!  Thanks to everyone for your helpful replies.  Shalom.  Ken Domeshek