ERLICH, Łomża, Poland #poland

Yale Reisner


Dear JewishGenners:


The September 5, 2022 edition of the Polish newspaper Gazeta Wyborcza carried a legal notice from the Regional Court in Łomża, First Civil Division, indicating that the Court, on behalf of the City of Łomża, is seeking the heirs to


Abram ERLICH, son of Mendel & Estera, who died in Jerusalem on February 7, 1999 where he had resided.


Anyone with knowledge of Abram ERLICH’s heirs is asked to contact the Court directly within three months of the notice’s publication.  If no one contacts the Court within that time period, the Court will stipulate that there are no heirs and will grant the (unspecified) property to the City.


In contacting the Court, reference should be made to Docket No. I Ns 855/19.


Best wishes,


Yale J. Reisner

Warsaw, Poland

JGFF #913980




Land Records for Maramaros-Sziget #hungary #romania

Jerry Zeisler

Can anyone point me to the proper government agency in Romania that manages the historical property records for Maramaros-Sziget? I'm trying to locate original land records from 1887 if they still exist. 

Thank you.

Jerry Zeisler
Ashburn, Virginia USA


Re: Could two brothers both be nicknamed Alter? #galicia

Fay Bussgang

I would wonder if it isn't the same person. Maybe his wife died and he married Chaja Rost.

Fay Bussgang
Dedham, MA

Re: Who was Rashi's maternal uncle? #rabbinic

Adam Cherson


I've translated the Grossman source provided by Rossi and it says:

"According to many researchers, Rashi was also included in this family [refers to the tree printed on page 91], because she [Rashi's mother] was a sister of Rabbi Shimon ben Yitzchak [according to these scholars]. This is based on the words of Rashi himself, who mentions in his commentaries several times the Torah words of a sage named R. Shimon the Elder, whom he calls "my uncle" or "my mother's brother", who received Torah from Morgam'a [i.e. R' Gershom]. Mikal and Zunz [two scholars] assumed that he was Shimon ben Yitzchak. Others received from them, and there are also [who] from the latter, still hold this belief. Weiss [another scholar] came out against this identification, in his response, because we did not find that Rabbi Shimon ben Yitzchak was called "the old man," but "the great one," and that he was not a student of Ragam'a [R' Gershom]. It is difficult to rely on the first argument. It is doubtful whether there is any consistency in giving titles of this kind, especially when the title "the great" originates (in homage to Rabbi Shimon) in the Beit Madrasham of Sidi Ashkenaz, the later Rashi [not sure of the translation of this last phrase]. His second claim is true, and it can be helped from another source, from the chronology. R. Shimon ben Yitzchak was older than Margam'a Katz [i.e. R' Gershom], according to Rashi's words, "It is seen in the eyes of Rabbi Shimon bar Yitzchak and in the eyes of Rabbi Gershon N'A and in my eyes Solomon of Troyish, the city in France." [The author here implies that the order of the Rashi's list shows the respective ages of the Rabbis as explained in the next sentence] Rashi highly valued Ragma [R' Gershom] and saw him as "the greatest of the world". It is far from him, therefore, that he would have [named] Rabbi Shimon ahead of him, if he had not been the older of the two. Also in the legendary source mentioned above there is a hint of this, "And when Rabbi Gershom came to our Rabbi Shimon the Great, they received a beautiful welcome and read the Torah together." Rabbi Shimon's estimated time is 950-1020, and it is even possible, if not slightly earlier. It is difficult to interpret, because his sister gave birth to a son in 1040, which is the year of Rashi's birth. [This last sentence is difficult for me to translate but I believe what Grossman means is what you were saying in the initial post: it would be difficult chronologically for R' Shimon the Great, 950-1020, to have had a sister who gave birth to a son, Rashi, in 1040].

All bracketed material is my commentary.

Adam Cherson,NY, NY
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Re: Labor Battalion 105/32 #hungary

Peter Cherna

The book "Conscripted Slaves: Hungarian Jewish Forced Laborers on the Eastern Front during the Second World War", by Robert Rozett, has information about overall conditions and experiences of the people in the labor battalions. In the index specific KMSZ units are mentioned, and there is a brief mention of 105/32. It basically matches your information, in that it states "on July 2[5]th 1944. ... 120 men from the 105/32 KMSZ Company in Krasnoye ... went missing."

You should try contacting the Hungarian military records archive at  hadtortenelmi.leveltar@... -- give them everything you know (father's name(s), date and place of birth, unit number, etc.) When I have enquired I have received an answer in about a week. They were able to locate a small amount of additional details from military records and also from some historical works on the Labor Batallions (a documentary book by Elek Karsai, „Fegyvertelen álltak az aknamezőkön…” ("They stood unarmed in the minefields...").
Peter Cherna, Exton PA (peter@...)
Researching CSERNA (Budapest, Székesfehérvár), GRUNFELD (Székesfehérvár), BRAUN, REINER (Budapest, Nyíregyháza, Máriapócs), EHRENFELD (Pozsony, Balassagyarmat) BRACK (Ipolykeszi)

Re: Who was Rashi's maternal uncle? #rabbinic

Dan Rottenberg


The Loebtree scenario you cited above— in which Rashi's mother is the granddaughter of Simeon ben Isaac ben Abun ("He-Gadol, c. 950-1020)— actually make a lot of sense. 
It explains why Simon the Elder (Rashi's uncle) does not seem to have been called Simon b. Isaac b. Abun. Its also keeps Rashi's mother in the Kalonymus line— not through her father, but through her grandfather Simeon ha-Gadol. 
The chronology works, too: Rashi's mother (born. c 1010) would be about 60 years younger than her purported grandfather Simeon ha-Gadol.
Of course this must be investigated further. But I think you're on to something!
Dan Rottenberg
Philadelphia PA

Re: Who was Rashi's maternal uncle? #rabbinic

Dan Rottenberg


Many thanks for the Grossman citation.
Is there an English translation?
Dan Rottenberg
Philadelphia PA USA

Re: Kohen Hands on Woman's grave stone #usa


My guess would be that when making the stone family members saw the symbol on other male family stones and therefore included it without fully understanding the meaning and conventions. There are also female gravestones that have a similar symbol but with candles that signifies the traditionally woman's role of lighting the shabbos candles and covering the eyes with one's hands when making the blessing. This does look more like the kohen hands.
Binyamin Kerman
Baltimore MD

SPIELER Lodz, Zloczew, Belchatow

Prezlau vs Przelav vs Przeclaw vs ?? #records

Alan Reische

Good morning
 I have now found the immigration records for my paternal g/grandfather and his immediate family under the surname 
'Lische', 'Lesche'  and variant spellings., which appears to be the surname utilized pre-emigration. The Hamburg emigration records, which are quite
 helpful, show the following for place of residence:

Scheim and Miriam Lische (emigration 1880): 'Prezlau, Osterreich'. Scheim's dob: 1842-1844
Joseph Lesche (son of Simon, emigration 1885): Przelav Osterreich' Joseph's dob: 1868

There is no such community in the Jewish Genealogy database but given the phonetic similarity, I assume the two records refer to the same town. But which town?
A broader search identified several possibilities:

1. The emigration officer misheard or misrecorded the residence. Unlikely, since the same name with variant spellings is entered for the emigration of two 
different people at two different times with two different agents.

2. The family came from Breslau/Wroclaw. Unlikely, because Breslau was part of Prussia and then the German Federation, and not the Austro-Hungarian Empire,
and each entry emphasizes 'Osterreich' as the nationality. Besides, how likely is it that a Hamburg emigration officer would confuse Breslau as an Austrian town?.

3. The family came from another community with a similar German or Polish equivalent name: A search points to Przemysl, one of the alternatives
for which was 'Premslau'.  However, there are entries in the 1885 manifest (Joseph) for other passengers from Przemysl, and for those entries, the full name is
written out that way. Joseph's residence is listed quite differently from those, as is the entry for a young woman, possibly a family member who
traveled with him. For me, this reduces the likelihood that Joseph came from Przemysl, although given the number of families with that or a similar surname in Przemysl, I can't ignore it completely. 

I expanded the search for the town and came up with any number of phonetic possibilities, but none with known ties to Scheim and his family,
with the exception of Przeclaw.The headstone for Miriam, Joseph's mother, indicates she came from Przeclaw, a small community
not far from Rzeszow. It's Yiddish equivalent is 'Pshetzlov'and one can imagine that a Yiddish speaker declaring that as
their residence can be recorded by the Hamburg agent as coming from Preslau or Przeclau.

Przclaw is also close to Debica, a larger town. I can find a number of entries for the Lische family in Debica; sadly, the family seems
to have perished in the Holocaust. I can find a linkage between Scheim and a woman from Debica who lists parents identical to Scheim's parents and may be a sibling, but that also is a brick wall. Beyond that,  I cannot find Lische entries in databases, such as births, marriages or deaths, confirming my family linkage to 
the Debica-Przeclaw regions. A local genealogist doesn't find that linkage either. 
I do not find clusters of similar surnames in other localities that could be identified with the Lische family,
I have tried to identify other members searching for information on Przeclaw, so far without much success.

So I have the following questions:

A. Have I completely missed other communities that match the available records? Am I possibly so focused on family ties to
Przeclaw that I'm missing other likely towns with a phonetically similar name? Does the 1885 manifest completely preclude the likelihood of Przemysl or is it too much of a reach?
B. Are there other databases that should be further scrutinized?
C. Is it possible that the family was so low profile - Scheim was a tailor (schneider) - that he would have left a very faint record ?

As always, I'll be most appreciative of insights and assistance from other members.
Alan Reische
Manchester NH
Membership: 28114
Searching: Reische; Lische; Przeclaw; Prezlau; Debica

Alan Reische
Manchester NH

Re: Who was Rashi's maternal uncle? #rabbinic

Yossi Jalas

This conundrum has been researched by Avraham Grossman in his monumental work on Rishonim from Ashkenaz more than 40 years ago. Attached are 2 pages from the book specifically about the Rashi connection.

A detailed treatment about R' Shimon is given in the book from page #86.

Yossi Jalas

Re: Kohen Hands on Woman's grave stone #usa

Sarah L Meyer

I would say that she was Jewish - and a Bat Kohen from both the hands and her maiden name.  I think it is very unusual.  I have seen many Jewish gravestones, especially Reform without Hebrew.
Sarah L Meyer
Georgetown TX
BIRGARDOVSKY, EDELBERG, HITE (CHAIT), PERCHIK Russia (southern Ukraine) and some Latvia or Lithuania

Re: Who was Rashi's maternal uncle? #rabbinic

Dan Rottenberg


You raise some new avenues to pursue, notably the possibility  that Simon the Elder was not born Simon b. Isaac b. Abun. 
I am persuaded that Simeon b. Isaac b. Abun ("Ha-Gadol," c. 960-1020, born & died in Mayence) and Rashi's uncle Simon the Elder (b.c. 1000) were two different people. But I suspect they were related to each other somehow. Both lived in Mayence (now Mainz), a relative intimate rabbinic community. I've found at least one human connection between the two Simons: Gershom ben Judah ("Me'or ha-Golah," b. Metz 960, died Mayence 1040) was a colleague of Simon ha-Gadol and was also the teacher of Simon the Elder. Also, the Jewish Encyclopedia article on Mayence notes that the Kalonymos family (Rashi's mother's presumed relatives) established a rabbinic academy in Mayence. about the year 1000. These threads lead me to suspect that Simon ha-Gadol and Simon the Elder were somehow cousins.
You also raise another question in my mind: What was the given name of Rashi's mother? I've seen her called Miriam or Leya, but mostly just "Rashi's mother." I'm not persuaded by what evidence I've seen so far.
One more question: Has anyone seen a biography of Simon the Elder? I haven't.
To be continued....!
Dan Rottenberg
Philadelphia PA

Re: driver in Krakow /Lizensk area for few hours #poland

Ian Charles

We found this fellow was excellent when visiting pre-pandemic - courteous, helpful and informative: Tomasz Czerwiec, tel +48 502 279 081
Ian Charles
London, UK

Re: Kohen Hands on Woman's grave stone #usa

Family and DNA

My great-grandfather was cremated in Philadelphia, he was 100% Ashkenazi
& would have described himself as Jewish. "Jews" come in all sorts, &
have been known to do many quite shocking things...  like naming their
kids after living people, getting cremated, eating bacon, & so on. 😁

Juliana Berland (France)

On 07/09/2022 07:40, Odeda Zlotnick wrote:

Adding to my imagined story:

 Cremation is a totally non-Jewish way of treating the bodily remains
of a person.


United Kingdom's British Newspaper Archive with British Library Adds 1 Million Historical Pages Free Access to Public #announcements #unitedkingdom

Jan Meisels Allen



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Together, the British Newspaper Archive and the British Library are committed to releasing a total of five million free pages over five years, which can be accessed online on the British Newspaper Archive website and on Findmypast.


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Searching for WAJS ( WEISS) familuy Originalkly from Serbia #general

David Lewin

Is there anyone on the list who can help me with the Serbian language?

I am seeking living descendents of a Serbian Holocaust victim family.

Google shows me a couple of possibilities - but I need Serbian, not English

Among the millions of Jews murdered in Auschwitz were Julija Vajs
(Julius Weiss), born 1879 and his wife Karolina Vajs (Weiss) maiden
name Sajnberger, born 1884.
Before World War 2 their home was at Futoska 6, Novi Sad 21000, Serbia.

Thanks for any help you can offer

David Lewin

Re: Kohen Hands on Woman's grave stone #usa

Odeda Zlotnick

Very strange, especially since there's no Hebrew on stone, no mention of her father's name, and on the other hand details of both the married and the maiden name.

I'm making up a story:
Was Mr. Dawson Jewish? If not, was she perhaps disinherited by her parents? Some striclty religious parents even sit Shiva on a descendant who marries outside the faith.
Is the stone the brothers' way of stating "she does too belong to our family!"?

Odeda Zlotnick
Jerusalem, Israel.

Re: Kohen Hands on Woman's grave stone #usa

Odeda Zlotnick

Adding to my imagined story:

I googled Graceland Cemetery in Chicago: they have a chapel and cremation services.  Cremation is a totally non-Jewish way of treating the bodily remains of a person.
Odeda Zlotnick
Jerusalem, Israel.

SOLVED: How to find 1903 residents of 550 High Street, Pittsburgh, PA? #records #usa

Sara Spiegel

A happy update, all --

Joel Weintraub shared with me that High Street was changed to 6th Avenue around that time. There is indeed a Samuel GOLDFARB living at that address on 6th Avenue (aka High Street).

I greatly appreciate all the excellent suggestions people made. I'm touched by how many people took the time to consider the question and send on ideas. You all are an amazing community.

Kind regards,
Sara Spiegel

HUBERT family descendants from Bingula, Serbia? #hungary #holocaust

Moishe Miller

Dear Group,

I discovered that my gg-gf, Tzvi STERN of Mali Idos, Serbia, and later Ilok, Croatia (all part of the former Austria-Hungarian empire) had a sister, Juli, married to Israel HUBERT. I am hoping to find contemporary family alive today. Would anyone know of this HUBERT family? Seems they lived in the town of Bingula, Erdevik, and Sasinci.  An Outline Descendant Tree is below.

Descendants of Juliana Stern
1  Juliana Stern b: 1835 in Mali Idos, Serbia d: May 26, 1912 in Ilok, Croatia
..+Israel Hubertb: 1837 in Backa Palanka, Serbiam: October 05, 1860
.....2  Jetti Hubertb: October 11, 1861 in Bingula, Serbia
.........+Philip Handlerb: October 23, 1852 in Ljubam: April 23, 1879
.............3  Herman Handlerb: February 10, 1882 in Erdevik
.............3  Eva Handlerb: August 15, 1886 in Sasinci
.....2  Lenka Hubertb: 1867 in Bingula, Serbia
.........+Adolf Scmaltzm: January 08, 1884
.............3  Samuel Scmaltzb: June 02, 1886 in Bingula, Serbia
..... 2  Joseph Hubert b: November 02, 1867 in Bingula, Serbia d: December 16, 1872 in Erdevik
.....2  Joseph Hubertb: March 30, 1870 in Bingula, Serbia
.....2  Regina Hubertb: March 03, 1873 in Bingula, Serbia
.........+Moric Neumanb: Abt. 1860 in Szilbácsm: January 13, 1891 in Bingula, Serbia
.............3  Izrael / Ignatz Neumanb: April 14, 1892 in Bingula, Serbia
.............3  Hermine Neumanb: April 26, 1893 in Bingula, Serbia

Shana Tova to all,
Moishe Miller
Brooklyn, NY
JGFF #3391