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Re: Marriage restrictions in the Austro-Hungarian Empire
#austria-czech
Doug Cohen
my understanding is that the law was enforced; however, Jews married by
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rabbis "according to the laws of Moses and the custom of Israel", and not according to Austro-Hungarian law. The children were considered illegitimate by the authorities, and the Jews didn't care. Doug Cohen Lexington, MA DMC@...
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From: "Lachaus" <lachaus@...> To: "H-SIG" <h-sig@...> Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2005 3:53 AM Subject: [h-sig] Marriage restrictions in the Austro-Hungarian Empire Ernst Pawel writes in "The nightmare of reason, a life of Franz Kafka",older by a year. Could someone explain whether the decree applied to the wholeof the Habsburg empire; if it was strictly enforced; if there were ways forimplications for genealogical research).
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Re: Jewish Records in Church Parish Registers
#hungary
Adina Michelsohn <mapleleafpq@...>
Hello again, and thank you to my fellow SIGGERS for
their quick responses. The Pusztamonostor Jewish vital records I'm looking for are >from Jasz-Nagy-Kun-Szolnok megye. Robert Neu suggested I check out the 1877 gazeteer. How do I access that? Is it available on the net? Adina Michelsohn Baltimore, Maryland
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The name LEVI in Hungary
#hungary
NaorMichael@...
Dear George, dear H-SIGers,
the name LEVI in this pronounciation is common especially in sephardic communities. Please bear in mind that the dominant language in central Europe, including large parts of Hungary until WWII was German. The name LEVI appears as LOEWY. Best regards, Michael Naor
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Searching for PFEFFER Budapest
#hungary
NaorMichael@...
Dear H-Siggers,
my ggf was Reb Mojshe PFEFFER, who was teaching at the "Schas Chewre" in the orthodox synagogue in Budapest until about 1940. He survived the Shoa by hiding in Budapest and right after the war he was elected Rabbi of Budapest, which he served until his death 1946 or 1947. On his tombstone in the orthodox cemetery of Budapest, which I recently visited, there is no mention of his place or time of birth. He may have been born in Nagyvarad (Grosswardajn). His father was Chajim and the mother was Chaja Ettl. His wife was Hermine (Mirel) b. Gottlieb (Juda) GRUENSFELD >from Bratislava (Pressburg). Does anybody know anything more about him? Are there any (rabbinical) writings by him? His son Arpi PFEFFER with his wife as well as his daughter Erzsebet (Elizabeth) married to Hermann (Michael Zwi) GRUENSFELD were perished in the Shoa. Does anybody have more information about them? I will be grateful for any hints, Yours, Michael Naor Duesseldorf, Germany
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Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Jewish Records in Church Parish Registers
#hungary
Adina Michelsohn <mapleleafpq@...>
Hello again, and thank you to my fellow SIGGERS for
their quick responses. The Pusztamonostor Jewish vital records I'm looking for are >from Jasz-Nagy-Kun-Szolnok megye. Robert Neu suggested I check out the 1877 gazeteer. How do I access that? Is it available on the net? Adina Michelsohn Baltimore, Maryland
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Hungary SIG #Hungary The name LEVI in Hungary
#hungary
NaorMichael@...
Dear George, dear H-SIGers,
the name LEVI in this pronounciation is common especially in sephardic communities. Please bear in mind that the dominant language in central Europe, including large parts of Hungary until WWII was German. The name LEVI appears as LOEWY. Best regards, Michael Naor
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Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Marriage restrictions in the Austro-Hungarian Empire
#hungary
Doug Cohen
my understanding is that the law was enforced; however, Jews married by
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rabbis "according to the laws of Moses and the custom of Israel", and not according to Austro-Hungarian law. The children were considered illegitimate by the authorities, and the Jews didn't care. Doug Cohen Lexington, MA DMC@...
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lachaus" <lachaus@...> To: "H-SIG" <h-sig@...> Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2005 3:53 AM Subject: [h-sig] Marriage restrictions in the Austro-Hungarian Empire Ernst Pawel writes in "The nightmare of reason, a life of Franz Kafka",older by a year. Could someone explain whether the decree applied to the wholeof the Habsburg empire; if it was strictly enforced; if there were ways forimplications for genealogical research).
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Hungary SIG #Hungary Searching for PFEFFER Budapest
#hungary
NaorMichael@...
Dear H-Siggers,
my ggf was Reb Mojshe PFEFFER, who was teaching at the "Schas Chewre" in the orthodox synagogue in Budapest until about 1940. He survived the Shoa by hiding in Budapest and right after the war he was elected Rabbi of Budapest, which he served until his death 1946 or 1947. On his tombstone in the orthodox cemetery of Budapest, which I recently visited, there is no mention of his place or time of birth. He may have been born in Nagyvarad (Grosswardajn). His father was Chajim and the mother was Chaja Ettl. His wife was Hermine (Mirel) b. Gottlieb (Juda) GRUENSFELD >from Bratislava (Pressburg). Does anybody know anything more about him? Are there any (rabbinical) writings by him? His son Arpi PFEFFER with his wife as well as his daughter Erzsebet (Elizabeth) married to Hermann (Michael Zwi) GRUENSFELD were perished in the Shoa. Does anybody have more information about them? I will be grateful for any hints, Yours, Michael Naor Duesseldorf, Germany
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Re: Not any LEVI in Hungary
#hungary
Gary Deutsch <gary@...>
In the 3000 birth records that I have indexed >from Miskolc, I found the
following: 92 Kohn variants 2 Levi, & 20 Lowi, Lowinger and variants Gary Deutsch Roswell, GA DEUTSCH, WEISS - Miskolc, Hungary ROTH - Nagy Ida, Hungary GREENSTEIN - Lithuania BALINER - Zinkov, Ukraine ROSENGARTEN - Warsaw, Poland PECKERAR - Faleshty, Bessarabia QUELLER, HOLLINGER - Storozhinets, Bukovina WIDOFSKY - Pukhovichi
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Re: Marriage restrictions in the Austro-Hungarian Empire
#austria-czech
David & Diana Laufer <laufer@...>
Paula Hauser asked:
Could someone explain whether the decree applied to the whole of the Habsburg empire; if it was strictly enforced; if there were ways for getting round (maybe by settling in another area; marrying without a license; registering children under someone else's name - hence implications for genealogical research). My understanding, repeat understanding, is that the Familienten rule was strictly applied in Bohemia and probably in Moravia also. Consequently many second, third, etc sons moved >from there to Hungary where this rule was not applied, possibly taking their potential brides with them. Another escape was to marry into families that had only daugthers and acquire the residence right associated with that family. David Laufer Sydney, Australia Reseaching (among others) MAHLER - Budapest and Vienna REDL - Arad and Vienna MELLER - Raab (Gyor) or Papa, and Vienna LAUFER - Senica (in Slovakia) and Vienna FRIEDMANN - Senica OSTERREICHER - Budapest and Vienna
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Re: Word translatoin Please - Templom
#hungary
Judy and Gary Floam <gfloam@...>
If I might ask another question about this synagogue in Budapest - are the
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Dohany Street synagogue and the Great Synagogue the same place or two different places? Incidentally, in my experience, American usage is generally "temple" for Reform and "synagogue" for Conservative and Orthodox. Judy Floam Baltimore, MD
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From: tom klein <h-sig@...> To: H-SIG <h-sig@...> Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 12:27 PM Subject: Re:[h-sig] Re: Word translatoin Please - Templom this is not the case, in my experience at least. i also checked with myfather (we are both >from budapest), and he agrees with me that "zsinagoga" was not a word they used often, and he pointed out that the "rombach utca templom" in budapest, for example, was strictly orthodox. (whereas the "dohany utca templom" was neolog.)
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Hungary SIG #Hungary RE: Not any LEVI in Hungary
#hungary
Gary Deutsch <gary@...>
In the 3000 birth records that I have indexed >from Miskolc, I found the
following: 92 Kohn variants 2 Levi, & 20 Lowi, Lowinger and variants Gary Deutsch Roswell, GA DEUTSCH, WEISS - Miskolc, Hungary ROTH - Nagy Ida, Hungary GREENSTEIN - Lithuania BALINER - Zinkov, Ukraine ROSENGARTEN - Warsaw, Poland PECKERAR - Faleshty, Bessarabia QUELLER, HOLLINGER - Storozhinets, Bukovina WIDOFSKY - Pukhovichi
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Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Word translatoin Please - Templom
#hungary
Judy and Gary Floam <gfloam@...>
If I might ask another question about this synagogue in Budapest - are the
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Dohany Street synagogue and the Great Synagogue the same place or two different places? Incidentally, in my experience, American usage is generally "temple" for Reform and "synagogue" for Conservative and Orthodox. Judy Floam Baltimore, MD
----- Original Message -----
From: tom klein <h-sig@...> To: H-SIG <h-sig@...> Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 12:27 PM Subject: Re:[h-sig] Re: Word translatoin Please - Templom this is not the case, in my experience at least. i also checked with myfather (we are both >from budapest), and he agrees with me that "zsinagoga" was not a word they used often, and he pointed out that the "rombach utca templom" in budapest, for example, was strictly orthodox. (whereas the "dohany utca templom" was neolog.)
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Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Marriage restrictions in the Austro-Hungarian Empire
#hungary
David & Diana Laufer <laufer@...>
Paula Hauser asked:
Could someone explain whether the decree applied to the whole of the Habsburg empire; if it was strictly enforced; if there were ways for getting round (maybe by settling in another area; marrying without a license; registering children under someone else's name - hence implications for genealogical research). My understanding, repeat understanding, is that the Familienten rule was strictly applied in Bohemia and probably in Moravia also. Consequently many second, third, etc sons moved >from there to Hungary where this rule was not applied, possibly taking their potential brides with them. Another escape was to marry into families that had only daugthers and acquire the residence right associated with that family. David Laufer Sydney, Australia Reseaching (among others) MAHLER - Budapest and Vienna REDL - Arad and Vienna MELLER - Raab (Gyor) or Papa, and Vienna LAUFER - Senica (in Slovakia) and Vienna FRIEDMANN - Senica OSTERREICHER - Budapest and Vienna
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ViewMate - Help with mystery family name
#unitedkingdom
Naomi Sachs-Amrami <n.sachsamrami@...>
Dear all,
After years of fruitless searching for my M G-GF's true surname (he is = in good company with those whose 'name was changed by the immigration authorities at the port'), I thought I had a lead. A kind soul at the London Beth Din made a copy for me of the original registry of my great-grandparent's marriage entry (civil). My G-GF. Ben ALEXANDER, signed his name in Hebrew / Yiddish, instead of English in the record book. Alas when I finally got a good look at the signature, I couldn't read it (and I can read Hebrew script quite well, and am married to an Israeli who also couldn't make heads or tails of the surname). If any nice person out there can take a peek / has any insights / translations / suggestions for me, I'd be grateful. For background (and in case it helps), my G-GF was originally >from Kiev or Odessa, emigrated to London sometime between 1906 and 1910, was met at the port by cousins already in England (family name DUBINSKY). Other family surnames (he had masses of first cousins) on this branch are FREED, DUBIN, DUBINSKY (all variants), LIPSON and SASSOON. His Hebrew name as given on the marriage abstract was Yosef BenTzion bar Sender. The name Benjamin ALEXANDER was 'given' to him by port officials who wrote that down as his name, when in fact with his heavy accent he said his first name was BenZion, and his father's name was Sender. Go figure. Thanks in advance for your help (and please respond privately) The direct link is: http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=3D5331 Naomi Sachs-Amrami Los Angeles, California ALEXANDER, ABRAHAM, BOENHEIM, DUBINSKY/DOBINSKI/DUBIN/DUBANSKI, etc, FREED, GOLDSTEIN, LONDON, ROSENBERG, ROSENITZKY, SACHS, SZELZAL / SCHILSA / SHILTZER / CHILSEY / SHULTZ, etc., TOPPER,=A0WACKER, ZIRKER
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JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom ViewMate - Help with mystery family name
#unitedkingdom
Naomi Sachs-Amrami <n.sachsamrami@...>
Dear all,
After years of fruitless searching for my M G-GF's true surname (he is = in good company with those whose 'name was changed by the immigration authorities at the port'), I thought I had a lead. A kind soul at the London Beth Din made a copy for me of the original registry of my great-grandparent's marriage entry (civil). My G-GF. Ben ALEXANDER, signed his name in Hebrew / Yiddish, instead of English in the record book. Alas when I finally got a good look at the signature, I couldn't read it (and I can read Hebrew script quite well, and am married to an Israeli who also couldn't make heads or tails of the surname). If any nice person out there can take a peek / has any insights / translations / suggestions for me, I'd be grateful. For background (and in case it helps), my G-GF was originally >from Kiev or Odessa, emigrated to London sometime between 1906 and 1910, was met at the port by cousins already in England (family name DUBINSKY). Other family surnames (he had masses of first cousins) on this branch are FREED, DUBIN, DUBINSKY (all variants), LIPSON and SASSOON. His Hebrew name as given on the marriage abstract was Yosef BenTzion bar Sender. The name Benjamin ALEXANDER was 'given' to him by port officials who wrote that down as his name, when in fact with his heavy accent he said his first name was BenZion, and his father's name was Sender. Go figure. Thanks in advance for your help (and please respond privately) The direct link is: http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=3D5331 Naomi Sachs-Amrami Los Angeles, California ALEXANDER, ABRAHAM, BOENHEIM, DUBINSKY/DOBINSKI/DUBIN/DUBANSKI, etc, FREED, GOLDSTEIN, LONDON, ROSENBERG, ROSENITZKY, SACHS, SZELZAL / SCHILSA / SHILTZER / CHILSEY / SHULTZ, etc., TOPPER,=A0WACKER, ZIRKER
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Re: jcr-uk digest: January 06, 2005
#unitedkingdom
Jackson 5 <mjdiz@...>
In Skokie there is a Goldblum family >from Poland who are survivors.
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Judy Jackson
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Subject: REINWASSER- GOLDBLOOMEngland
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JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom Re: jcr-uk digest: January 06, 2005
#unitedkingdom
Jackson 5 <mjdiz@...>
In Skokie there is a Goldblum family >from Poland who are survivors.
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Judy Jackson
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Subject: REINWASSER- GOLDBLOOMEngland
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Romanovski colony
#belarus
Alan Cohen <ab.cohen@...>
Pavel Bernstam mentions a Romanovski colony. Can anyone enlighten me on
this - what it was and whereabouts. My ggrandparents used the name Romanofsky. I wonder if there is a connection. ALAN COHEN, Pinner, UK researching GLAZER - Lipkany, Bessarabia; COHEN (KUNYEN/KUNIN) - Vitepsk/Mohilev; ROMANOFSKY-Poltava; DEITSCH (DACZ, DEYTZ etc) -Plock, Poland; KUTNOWSKI - Gostynin, Poland; KIERSTEJN - Lodz, Poland, HAMBURG (London).
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Belarus SIG #Belarus Romanovski colony
#belarus
Alan Cohen <ab.cohen@...>
Pavel Bernstam mentions a Romanovski colony. Can anyone enlighten me on
this - what it was and whereabouts. My ggrandparents used the name Romanofsky. I wonder if there is a connection. ALAN COHEN, Pinner, UK researching GLAZER - Lipkany, Bessarabia; COHEN (KUNYEN/KUNIN) - Vitepsk/Mohilev; ROMANOFSKY-Poltava; DEITSCH (DACZ, DEYTZ etc) -Plock, Poland; KUTNOWSKI - Gostynin, Poland; KIERSTEJN - Lodz, Poland, HAMBURG (London).
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