Has the Slonim research project made any headway in obtaining the 1806 or
1808 Census Records. They are listed in Fond 2, Opis 2, Delo 69 and Fond
24, Opis 7, Delo 459.

There is also a Jewish voters registration >from 1836 in Fond 2, Opis 3 Delo
699. The Grand Duchy of Lithuania has Census records form 1784 which can be
obtained through David and Sonia Hoffman.

Al Tapper
Fairfax, VA.

Researching:

MENDELEWICZ, MENDELOVICH, MENDELOVITCH or MENDELOWITZ >from Byten and Slonim
NEMIROVSKY >from Lipovets,
TEPER or TAPPER >from Snitkov and Kishinev
BURDMAN >from Tulchin, STUCKLEMAN >from Tulchin
DUCKLER >from Tuchin, MENDOZA >from Kobryn
HOCHBERG >from Iasi

Has the Slonim research project made any headway in obtaining the 1806 or
1808 Census Records. They are listed in Fond 2, Opis 2, Delo 69 and Fond
24, Opis 7, Delo 459.

There is also a Jewish voters registration >from 1836 in Fond 2, Opis 3 Delo
699. The Grand Duchy of Lithuania has Census records form 1784 which can be
obtained through David and Sonia Hoffman.

Al Tapper
Fairfax, VA.

Researching:

MENDELEWICZ, MENDELOVICH, MENDELOVITCH or MENDELOWITZ >from Byten and Slonim
NEMIROVSKY >from Lipovets,
TEPER or TAPPER >from Snitkov and Kishinev
BURDMAN >from Tulchin, STUCKLEMAN >from Tulchin
DUCKLER >from Tuchin, MENDOZA >from Kobryn
HOCHBERG >from Iasi

To break the post-Yom Kipper silence, I received this today which may
interest researchers:

Recommended by a colleague, who visited on the recent Open Buildings weekend
In the intervening period you can always find more information at
http://www.19princeletstreet.org.uk/.
Just for starters you might be interested in a very recent article, at
http://www.19princeletstreet.org.uk/press/040909CommunityNewswire.html

Regards,

Lois Kaufman

To break the post-Yom Kipper silence, I received this today which may
interest researchers:

Recommended by a colleague, who visited on the recent Open Buildings weekend
In the intervening period you can always find more information at
http://www.19princeletstreet.org.uk/.
Just for starters you might be interested in a very recent article, at
http://www.19princeletstreet.org.uk/press/040909CommunityNewswire.html

Regards,

Lois Kaufman

I'm wondering if other people who have subscribed to get the spreadsheets of
the Kanczuga 1851-1903 records have now obtained invidual copies of any of
their family records? I am wondering how much extra information the original
records show beyond what is in the spreadsheets. For example:

Do death records list the name of the informant? Place of birth? Cause of
death? Other useful information?

Do birth and marriage records list additional useful information?

Are there particular identified LDS or other readily available records which
cover the people of Kanczuga pre 1851? For example, I've discovered a
1774-born Kanczuga ancestor through his death record of 1857, and would like
to see how much more I could find out about him and the many other ancestors
who appear in the post 1851 records as born before then.

There is a puzzle which is that many couples registered marriages in 1902
which had been in existence for many years. For example, my great
grandfather and mother's marriage appears in 1859 and then they registered
it again in 1902. Any reason known for why that happened?

Does anyone know the actual date of the final massacre of the Jews of
Kanczuga in July 1942?

What experiences have people had getting the post 1904 records?



Judy Keiner
London, England


Researching
FROMMER Kanczuga, METH Krakow/Rzeszow, KEINER Tarnow/Rzepenniek, FUHRER
Rzepenniek, DEMBITZER Rzepenniek,
TELLER/BIRNBAUM Tarnow/Rzepenniek, ZELLERKRAUT Kanczuga, GUTTMAN
Sadowa-Wisznia/Lviv, RAAB Sadowa-Wisznia, EISNER Kanczuga/Przemysl, FRIESNER
Sadowa-Wisznia,
WALKER Kanczuga, GRIER Kanczuga/Amsterdam, AMSTER Kanczuga , KANNER
Kanczuga, SAUERHAFT Kanczuga, SAND Kanczuga , AMKRAUT Kanczuga ,
HOLOCSCZYER Kanczuga, SILBERMANN Kanczuga, SCHINDELHEIM Kanczuga, BADER
Kanczuga

I'm wondering if other people who have subscribed to get the spreadsheets of
the Kanczuga 1851-1903 records have now obtained invidual copies of any of
their family records? I am wondering how much extra information the original
records show beyond what is in the spreadsheets. For example:

Do death records list the name of the informant? Place of birth? Cause of
death? Other useful information?

Do birth and marriage records list additional useful information?

Are there particular identified LDS or other readily available records which
cover the people of Kanczuga pre 1851? For example, I've discovered a
1774-born Kanczuga ancestor through his death record of 1857, and would like
to see how much more I could find out about him and the many other ancestors
who appear in the post 1851 records as born before then.

There is a puzzle which is that many couples registered marriages in 1902
which had been in existence for many years. For example, my great
grandfather and mother's marriage appears in 1859 and then they registered
it again in 1902. Any reason known for why that happened?

Does anyone know the actual date of the final massacre of the Jews of
Kanczuga in July 1942?

What experiences have people had getting the post 1904 records?



Judy Keiner
London, England


Researching
FROMMER Kanczuga, METH Krakow/Rzeszow, KEINER Tarnow/Rzepenniek, FUHRER
Rzepenniek, DEMBITZER Rzepenniek,
TELLER/BIRNBAUM Tarnow/Rzepenniek, ZELLERKRAUT Kanczuga, GUTTMAN
Sadowa-Wisznia/Lviv, RAAB Sadowa-Wisznia, EISNER Kanczuga/Przemysl, FRIESNER
Sadowa-Wisznia,
WALKER Kanczuga, GRIER Kanczuga/Amsterdam, AMSTER Kanczuga , KANNER
Kanczuga, SAUERHAFT Kanczuga, SAND Kanczuga , AMKRAUT Kanczuga ,
HOLOCSCZYER Kanczuga, SILBERMANN Kanczuga, SCHINDELHEIM Kanczuga, BADER
Kanczuga

I noted the Moderator's recommended list hasn't been updated since 2000,
which may account for the omission of the JGSPBC's 2003 IAJGS Award winning
Workbook, a compilation of Jewish genealogical resource material:

"Beginners and Intermediate Genealogical Workbook", edited by Sylvia
Furshman Nusinov, President Emerita of the Jewish Genealogical Society of
Palm Beach County, Inc.

Please reply privately to curiousyl@....

Sylvia

I noted the Moderator's recommended list hasn't been updated since 2000,
which may account for the omission of the JGSPBC's 2003 IAJGS Award winning
Workbook, a compilation of Jewish genealogical resource material:

"Beginners and Intermediate Genealogical Workbook", edited by Sylvia
Furshman Nusinov, President Emerita of the Jewish Genealogical Society of
Palm Beach County, Inc.

Please reply privately to curiousyl@....

Sylvia

The question did not specify Jewish versus non-Jewish. My great-great-
grandfather Yisroel KATZ was a landowner in the Marmarosh province of
Hungary. His holdings seem to have passed to only one of his (at least)
three sons, Shmuel Zanvil Katz (died 1890), and >from there to his
son-in-law, Zysha ELEFANT (died 1942). Zysha was a fabulously wealthy
man whose properties included many forests. He employed about 150 people,
and issued his own currency. (My great-grandfather, Shmuel Zanvil's
brother, ended up as a porter. There must be a story there. Oh well!
On the bright side, one of Zysha's descendants underwrote the publication
of the family tree that I wrote.)
Shlomo Katz
Silver Spring MD

The question did not specify Jewish versus non-Jewish. My great-great-
grandfather Yisroel KATZ was a landowner in the Marmarosh province of
Hungary. His holdings seem to have passed to only one of his (at least)
three sons, Shmuel Zanvil Katz (died 1890), and >from there to his
son-in-law, Zysha ELEFANT (died 1942). Zysha was a fabulously wealthy
man whose properties included many forests. He employed about 150 people,
and issued his own currency. (My great-grandfather, Shmuel Zanvil's
brother, ended up as a porter. There must be a story there. Oh well!
On the bright side, one of Zysha's descendants underwrote the publication
of the family tree that I wrote.)
Shlomo Katz
Silver Spring MD

There is an error in a Friday post about the interpretation of the
Certificate of Arrival number that is sometimes seen on Ellis Island
Manifests. The first digit of the particular number which started the
thread was "1-." The post on Friday indicated that meant the New York City
area (courts requesting the document). New York is actually "2-" while "1-"
can be Boston or New Haven, Ct.

It's interesting that a table of such numbers was published in AVOTAYNU in
Spring 1996 (page 11) and shows:
1- Boston; 2-New York; 3-Philadelphia; 4-Washington DC; 5-Buffalo;
6-Pittsburgh; 7-Cleveland; 8-Detroit; 9-Cincinnati; 10-Birmingham;
11-Chicago; 12-St Louis MO; 13-New Orleans; 14- St Paul; 15-Omaha; 16-Kansas
City MO; 17-Fort Worth; 18-Denver; 19-Salt Lake City; 20-Seattle;
21-Portland; 22-San Francisco; 23-Los Angeles. This Table shows "US
Naturalization District Numbers as of 1920." Now compare these numbers
with:
http://www.jewishgen.org/InfoFiles/Manifests/occ/do33-43.html and you will
see that this table, for 1933 to 1943, expanded the coverage for specific
manifest number districts and added more numbers. In any case, "1-" is not
New York.
Joel Weintraub, Dana Point, CA

There is an error in a Friday post about the interpretation of the
Certificate of Arrival number that is sometimes seen on Ellis Island
Manifests. The first digit of the particular number which started the
thread was "1-." The post on Friday indicated that meant the New York City
area (courts requesting the document). New York is actually "2-" while "1-"
can be Boston or New Haven, Ct.

It's interesting that a table of such numbers was published in AVOTAYNU in
Spring 1996 (page 11) and shows:
1- Boston; 2-New York; 3-Philadelphia; 4-Washington DC; 5-Buffalo;
6-Pittsburgh; 7-Cleveland; 8-Detroit; 9-Cincinnati; 10-Birmingham;
11-Chicago; 12-St Louis MO; 13-New Orleans; 14- St Paul; 15-Omaha; 16-Kansas
City MO; 17-Fort Worth; 18-Denver; 19-Salt Lake City; 20-Seattle;
21-Portland; 22-San Francisco; 23-Los Angeles. This Table shows "US
Naturalization District Numbers as of 1920." Now compare these numbers
with:
http://www.jewishgen.org/InfoFiles/Manifests/occ/do33-43.html and you will
see that this table, for 1933 to 1943, expanded the coverage for specific
manifest number districts and added more numbers. In any case, "1-" is not
New York.
Joel Weintraub, Dana Point, CA

On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 04:48:13 UTC, rzavos@... (Robert Zavos) opined:

Dear Stan, Israel, and JGS members,

As far as I know there is no current online Mexican phone book. I have the
same need and have tried many times over the past year. There were a few
sites that appeared to have one but when you submitted a search you get "Page
Not Found" or equivalents. If anyone has a specific URL that had worked for
them recently please let us all know. Mexico has a relative good sized
Jewish community and I have some relatives. Please try Zawoznik in Mexico
City if you need an example.

I found one that let me get as far as entering a name and surname (there
*must* be at least one "Jose Diaz" in the country), and submitting the search.
The response was that no such listing was found. The other directories I
found act about as you describe, so you appear to be correct. In your place,
my Plan B would be to find the nearest Mexican consulate and ask to use
their directory. Consulates always have home telephone directories; I have
used them in Tel-Aviv, before online directories became available.

I would also like to find a 1920 or so Mexico City census online so if
anyone knows of one of those please let me know. I know LDS is suppossed to
have one but without a known address I assume that would be difficult to
use.

I would be surprised if the Library of Congress doesn't have such a thing.
That's where I have been finding things like town maps of Iasi (you can't
find one in Iasi, and people look at you funny for thinking it would be). If
you can't find the census elsewhere, you might think about a visit to Washington
for a few days, and pop into the LOC, which is filled with helpful people.
You might also write to the Mexican Embassy and ask them if they can help. I
doubt whether inter-library loans extend that far south, but it costs
nothing to ask you local library if they can help.

Robert Zavos
Pittsburgh PA USA

Subject: Re: Mexico -- additional thought From: "Stan Goodman"
<SPAM_FOILER@...> Date: 23 Sep 2004 15:09:55 GMT
X-Message-Number: 7

Israel...

Have you tried looking up the name and address in the online Mexican
telephone directory?

--
Stan Goodman, Qiryat Tiv'on, Israel

---
mailto:rzavos@...

--
Stan Goodman, Qiryat Tiv'on, Israel

Searching:
NEACHOWICZ/NOACHOWICZ, NEJMAN/NAJMAN, SURALSKI: >from Lomza Gubernia
ISMACH: >from Lomza Gubernia, Galicia, and Ukraina
HERTANU, ABRAMOVICI, LAUER: >from Dorohoi District, Romania
GRISARU, VATARU: >from Iasi, Dorohoi, and Mileanca, Romania

See my interactive family tree (requires Java 1.1.6 or better). the URL is:
http://www.hashkedim.com

For reasons connected with anti-spam/junk security, the return address is
not valid. To communicate with me, please visit my website (see the URL
above -- no Java required for this purpose) and fill in the email form
there.

On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 04:48:13 UTC, rzavos@... (Robert Zavos) opined:

Dear Stan, Israel, and JGS members,

As far as I know there is no current online Mexican phone book. I have the
same need and have tried many times over the past year. There were a few
sites that appeared to have one but when you submitted a search you get "Page
Not Found" or equivalents. If anyone has a specific URL that had worked for
them recently please let us all know. Mexico has a relative good sized
Jewish community and I have some relatives. Please try Zawoznik in Mexico
City if you need an example.

I found one that let me get as far as entering a name and surname (there
*must* be at least one "Jose Diaz" in the country), and submitting the search.
The response was that no such listing was found. The other directories I
found act about as you describe, so you appear to be correct. In your place,
my Plan B would be to find the nearest Mexican consulate and ask to use
their directory. Consulates always have home telephone directories; I have
used them in Tel-Aviv, before online directories became available.

I would also like to find a 1920 or so Mexico City census online so if
anyone knows of one of those please let me know. I know LDS is suppossed to
have one but without a known address I assume that would be difficult to
use.

I would be surprised if the Library of Congress doesn't have such a thing.
That's where I have been finding things like town maps of Iasi (you can't
find one in Iasi, and people look at you funny for thinking it would be). If
you can't find the census elsewhere, you might think about a visit to Washington
for a few days, and pop into the LOC, which is filled with helpful people.
You might also write to the Mexican Embassy and ask them if they can help. I
doubt whether inter-library loans extend that far south, but it costs
nothing to ask you local library if they can help.

Robert Zavos
Pittsburgh PA USA

Subject: Re: Mexico -- additional thought From: "Stan Goodman"
<SPAM_FOILER@...> Date: 23 Sep 2004 15:09:55 GMT
X-Message-Number: 7

Israel...

Have you tried looking up the name and address in the online Mexican
telephone directory?

--
Stan Goodman, Qiryat Tiv'on, Israel

---
mailto:rzavos@...

--
Stan Goodman, Qiryat Tiv'on, Israel

Searching:
NEACHOWICZ/NOACHOWICZ, NEJMAN/NAJMAN, SURALSKI: >from Lomza Gubernia
ISMACH: >from Lomza Gubernia, Galicia, and Ukraina
HERTANU, ABRAMOVICI, LAUER: >from Dorohoi District, Romania
GRISARU, VATARU: >from Iasi, Dorohoi, and Mileanca, Romania

See my interactive family tree (requires Java 1.1.6 or better). the URL is:
http://www.hashkedim.com

For reasons connected with anti-spam/junk security, the return address is
not valid. To communicate with me, please visit my website (see the URL
above -- no Java required for this purpose) and fill in the email form
there.

I need someone to help find some information regarding
a couple of ancestors in Miami.

I can do Pittsburgh, Allegheny County lookups,
such as obituaries, marriages and/ or headstone photos
in exchange.

Please contact me off-list at...

mail to: jbb@... (REMOVE THE ABC)

Thank you,
Joel Ballon

I need someone to help find some information regarding
a couple of ancestors in Miami.

I can do Pittsburgh, Allegheny County lookups,
such as obituaries, marriages and/ or headstone photos
in exchange.

Please contact me off-list at...

mail to: jbb@... (REMOVE THE ABC)

Thank you,
Joel Ballon

Dear Genners,
I found the grave of my great uncle in Baron Hirsch Cemetery. The
cemetery office has information on his family members, but they are not
willing to give it away. Does anybody have a suggestion how to get it
out of them? Thank you for any help.

Leah Gordon
leahgordon1@...
Searching for Weinstein (Latvia - the Bronx - Queens)

Dear Genners,
I found the grave of my great uncle in Baron Hirsch Cemetery. The
cemetery office has information on his family members, but they are not
willing to give it away. Does anybody have a suggestion how to get it
out of them? Thank you for any help.

Leah Gordon
leahgordon1@...
Searching for Weinstein (Latvia - the Bronx - Queens)

I am studying a long list of Polish Holocaust survivors >from the American
Jewish Archives:

"Polish Refugees in Tehran, 1943"

The list was, for reasons I don't yet understand, prepared by an
organization in Mexico. The document has a two-page introduction in
Spanish. Can someone help me understand this introduction?

The American Jewish Archives requests that their images not be posted on the
web for public viewing. I will be happy to share the needed images (just
two) with whomever might be able to help me understand these pages.

Dan Kazez
<dkazez@...>
Springfield, Ohio USA
Poland: Czestochowa, Przyrow, Mstow, Koniecpol, Janow, Plawno, Radomsko,
Przyborow, Zgierz, Lodz, Przedborz, Kruszyna, Wancerzow, Sedziszow, Opole,
Zloczow, Luszczyn
http://www.kazez.com/~dan/englander/

Tom Chatt notes that Berl Kagan's "Sefer HaPrenumerantn" (known in English
as "Hebrew Subscription Lists) can be a genealogical resource. The book is a
rare book and you may have to devote time to finding a copy. Before you go
through that effort, check in "Where Once We Walked" (WOWW) to see if your
ancestral town appears in "Sefer HaPrenumerantn". You can tell because the
sources cited in WOWW for your ancestral town will have the code "HSL" to
indicate it appears in "Hebrew Subscription Lists."

Gary Mokotoff