Looking for family members of Ettel Reinisch, last known living in Janow
Galicia, 1909+-?

Ettel had a daughter Frima, who married Yossel Ehrenkranz. Yossel came to
the NYC area in 1904.

Frima, with her 3 daughters and one son came to NYC in 1909.
On her immigration papers of Ellis Island, it said her mother was still
living in Janow Galicia.

Would anyone have had a picture like this one and not knowing who they are?
You could view this picture at JewishGen - view mate,
http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/
VM4825 posted: 10/10/2004 under the heading of Do you recognize?
I belive this picture was taken before Frima and her children departed for
the States. I'm hoping her family members of the Reinisch and Ehrenkranz
family had copies of this picture.

Thank You
lennyk

Reinisch & Ehrenkranz = Janow, Galicia
Klinger, Dworie & Elias = Galicia

Looking for family members of Ettel Reinisch, last known living in Janow
Galicia, 1909+-?

Ettel had a daughter Frima, who married Yossel Ehrenkranz. Yossel came to
the NYC area in 1904.

Frima, with her 3 daughters and one son came to NYC in 1909.
On her immigration papers of Ellis Island, it said her mother was still
living in Janow Galicia.

Would anyone have had a picture like this one and not knowing who they are?
You could view this picture at JewishGen - view mate,
http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/
VM4825 posted: 10/10/2004 under the heading of Do you recognize?
I belive this picture was taken before Frima and her children departed for
the States. I'm hoping her family members of the Reinisch and Ehrenkranz
family had copies of this picture.

Thank You
lennyk

Reinisch & Ehrenkranz = Janow, Galicia
Klinger, Dworie & Elias = Galicia

I am researching the surnames Yasgur and Schepkowksi.

I think that Yasgur family came >from town about 71 miles >from Vilnius
called Druskininkai also known as Drozgenik.

The Schepkowski surname may not be the original name but it became
Schepard in the US. It is thought this family came >from Vilna/Vilnius.

Yvette Scharf
Woodbridge, CT

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I am researching the surnames Yasgur and Schepkowksi.

I think that Yasgur family came >from town about 71 miles >from Vilnius
called Druskininkai also known as Drozgenik.

The Schepkowski surname may not be the original name but it became
Schepard in the US. It is thought this family came >from Vilna/Vilnius.

Yvette Scharf
Woodbridge, CT

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<There was a major expulsion of Jews >from Lithuania in June 1915. My
father's family, in Kovno, ended up in Rostov, Russia and stayed there
until 1921. (If they had not returned to Kovno, the Holocaust would
not have found them.) Meri-Jane Rochelson.>

For a **very** compelling first-hand account of expulsions, war,
pogroms and famine in the Pale of Settlement during WW, read S. Ansky's
"The Enemy At His Pleasure."

-- **Hardcover**: 352 pages
-- Publisher: Metropolitan Books; 1st edition (November 6, 2002)
-- ISBN: 080505944X

-- **Paperback**: 352 pages
-- Publisher: Owl Books; (April 1, 2004)
-- ISBN: 0805059458 (Paperback)
-- In-Print Editions: Hardcover (1st) | Paperback

Scott Rosenberg
Searching: YAFFEY, KAPLITZ/KOPLITZ/CAPLITZ (or other spellings) and,
SHARP, SHART, SHARF, SHARFSKY , Pogir, Pogiary, Kovno and Vilna,
Lithuania, South Africa; Australia; and Minnesota, North Dakota and
Chicago, IL, USA; ROSENBERG, Minnesota and North Dakota, USA;
ROSENBLATT, Pogir, Pogiary, Kovno and Vilna, Lithuania, and South
Africa.

<< eugene k <costanza2202@...> asks -
does anybody knows where I can get lists of individuals

from various shtetls, who were moved >from their villages

by force by russian soliders. which archives contain this
information? who would keep this information? would russian
army archives or would a rabbi >from a shtetel keep this
information? or municipal halls? or perhaps at the
destination shtetel?>>

Based on everything I have read, including first-hand
accounts by Jews who were forced to leave Lithuania
in 1915, I do not believe lists of names were a requirement.
Notices were posted in the town that Jews had to leave
within 24 to 72 hours (depending on the town) and go East
into the farthest parts of Russia. I am not aware that any
list of names were required or recorded.

In 1919, Lithuania became an independent country. Many
Jews returned >from the Eastern part of Russia to Lithuania.
Everyone, including Jews, had to apply for an internal passport
within 30 days of their return. If they failed to do so,
they were considered a foreigner and subject to expulsion.
Even though lists of those who left were not recorded, the
internal passport applications were proof that they did return
and the approximate date of return.

In the near future, an announcement will be made on JewishGen
about a new database containing data >from thousands of
internal passport applications between 1919-1940. The database
promises to give important, and exciting, information.
Please do not ask me questions about it - please wait for the announcement.

Howard Margol
Atlanta, Georgia
Researching - MARGOLIS/ZUK >from Pusalotas, BERNSTEIN >from Linkuva,
KLAVANSKY >from Pakroijus.

Genners:
Can anyone help with finding a Sydney suburb, Australia, telephone number
or address of a distant relative, not heard >from in 30+ years in ? Gordon
SYM(M)ONS
Thank you in advance.
Steve
St Maarten, Netherlands Antilles, formerly Worcester
Researching GRACE, PELETZ, JAFFE/JOFFE, SCHWARTZBERG, FELDMAN, ELLOWITZ,
AGULNICK, ULMAN >from Kamajai, Skopiskis, Kopiskis, Rokiskis, Kaunas, Riga,
Vilnius.

MODERATOR NOTE: Please reply privately.

Genners:
Can anyone help with finding a Sydney suburb, Australia, telephone number
or address of a distant relative, not heard >from in 30+ years in ? Gordon
SYM(M)ONS
Thank you in advance.
Steve
St Maarten, Netherlands Antilles, formerly Worcester
Researching GRACE, PELETZ, JAFFE/JOFFE, SCHWARTZBERG, FELDMAN, ELLOWITZ,
AGULNICK, ULMAN >from Kamajai, Skopiskis, Kopiskis, Rokiskis, Kaunas, Riga,
Vilnius.

MODERATOR NOTE: Please reply privately.

<There was a major expulsion of Jews >from Lithuania in June 1915. My
father's family, in Kovno, ended up in Rostov, Russia and stayed there
until 1921. (If they had not returned to Kovno, the Holocaust would
not have found them.) Meri-Jane Rochelson.>

For a **very** compelling first-hand account of expulsions, war,
pogroms and famine in the Pale of Settlement during WW, read S. Ansky's
"The Enemy At His Pleasure."

-- **Hardcover**: 352 pages
-- Publisher: Metropolitan Books; 1st edition (November 6, 2002)
-- ISBN: 080505944X

-- **Paperback**: 352 pages
-- Publisher: Owl Books; (April 1, 2004)
-- ISBN: 0805059458 (Paperback)
-- In-Print Editions: Hardcover (1st) | Paperback

Scott Rosenberg
Searching: YAFFEY, KAPLITZ/KOPLITZ/CAPLITZ (or other spellings) and,
SHARP, SHART, SHARF, SHARFSKY , Pogir, Pogiary, Kovno and Vilna,
Lithuania, South Africa; Australia; and Minnesota, North Dakota and
Chicago, IL, USA; ROSENBERG, Minnesota and North Dakota, USA;
ROSENBLATT, Pogir, Pogiary, Kovno and Vilna, Lithuania, and South
Africa.

<< eugene k <costanza2202@...> asks -
does anybody knows where I can get lists of individuals

from various shtetls, who were moved >from their villages

by force by russian soliders. which archives contain this
information? who would keep this information? would russian
army archives or would a rabbi >from a shtetel keep this
information? or municipal halls? or perhaps at the
destination shtetel?>>

Based on everything I have read, including first-hand
accounts by Jews who were forced to leave Lithuania
in 1915, I do not believe lists of names were a requirement.
Notices were posted in the town that Jews had to leave
within 24 to 72 hours (depending on the town) and go East
into the farthest parts of Russia. I am not aware that any
list of names were required or recorded.

In 1919, Lithuania became an independent country. Many
Jews returned >from the Eastern part of Russia to Lithuania.
Everyone, including Jews, had to apply for an internal passport
within 30 days of their return. If they failed to do so,
they were considered a foreigner and subject to expulsion.
Even though lists of those who left were not recorded, the
internal passport applications were proof that they did return
and the approximate date of return.

In the near future, an announcement will be made on JewishGen
about a new database containing data >from thousands of
internal passport applications between 1919-1940. The database
promises to give important, and exciting, information.
Please do not ask me questions about it - please wait for the announcement.

Howard Margol
Atlanta, Georgia
Researching - MARGOLIS/ZUK >from Pusalotas, BERNSTEIN >from Linkuva,
KLAVANSKY >from Pakroijus.

Can anyone tell me the translation of the name *Itzeles*? Is it Yiddish for
Isaiah ?

Sandy Levin

No, because the Hebrew for Isaiah is Yeshayahu (which linguistically
speaking would not generate the diminutive "Itzele" -- in fact, the
diminutive for Yeshayahu is "Shaye, or Shaye-le"

Itzele is a diminutive form of the name Itzhak or Yitzhak -- i.e.,
Isaac. So Itzeles with an added "s" is a surname formed >from the
name Itzele -- in other words, "Isaacs" (meaning "son of Isaac")

Judith Romney Wegner

Can anyone tell me the translation of the name *Itzeles*? Is it Yiddish for
Isaiah ?

Sandy Levin

No, because the Hebrew for Isaiah is Yeshayahu (which linguistically
speaking would not generate the diminutive "Itzele" -- in fact, the
diminutive for Yeshayahu is "Shaye, or Shaye-le"

Itzele is a diminutive form of the name Itzhak or Yitzhak -- i.e.,
Isaac. So Itzeles with an added "s" is a surname formed >from the
name Itzele -- in other words, "Isaacs" (meaning "son of Isaac")

Judith Romney Wegner

Roman Vilner wrote: < it appears that there is some confusion here..
original discussion was referring to expulsion in 1915, which was during WWI
(one), while Linda Morzillo seems to be talking about the evacuation, not
expulsion that took place during WWII (two), when many Jews were in fact
evacuated to central asia.>

Yes, you are correct, Roman, but please reread the original message
paraphrased: Meri-Jane was stating that she felt her father's family would
have escaped the Holocaust had they remained in Rostov rather than return to
Kovno.

I was only informing to the best of my ability about the circumstances in
Rostov during the Second World War. Meri-Jane was trying to visualize, as
many of us do, what would have happened if our ancestors made different
choices, in her case, what if her father's family chose to not return to
Lithuania after the expulsion of 1915.

Linda Morzillo

Roman Vilner wrote: < it appears that there is some confusion here..
original discussion was referring to expulsion in 1915, which was during WWI
(one), while Linda Morzillo seems to be talking about the evacuation, not
expulsion that took place during WWII (two), when many Jews were in fact
evacuated to central asia.>

Yes, you are correct, Roman, but please reread the original message
paraphrased: Meri-Jane was stating that she felt her father's family would
have escaped the Holocaust had they remained in Rostov rather than return to
Kovno.

I was only informing to the best of my ability about the circumstances in
Rostov during the Second World War. Meri-Jane was trying to visualize, as
many of us do, what would have happened if our ancestors made different
choices, in her case, what if her father's family chose to not return to
Lithuania after the expulsion of 1915.

Linda Morzillo

it appears that there is some confusion here.. original discussion was
referring to expulsion in 1915, which was during WWI (one), while Linda
Morzillo seems to be talking about the evacuation, not expulsion that took
place during WWII (two), when many Jews were in fact evacuated to central
asia.
Roman Vilner
Brooklyn, NY
Vilner, Lieberman, Pinchuk - Mogilev/Gorky, Belarus
Shmulenson- Vinnitsa, Ukraine

I'd like to clarify what Meri-Jane Rochelson wrote about her father's
family:
There was a major expulsion of Jews >from Lithuania in June 1915. My
father's family, in Kovno, ended up in Rostov, Russia and stayed there until
1921. (If they had not returned to Kovno, the Holocaust would not have
found them.)
During research pertaining to my maternal grandfather who was born in 1882
in Rostov, (known as Rostov-on-Don), I learned that many of the Jewish
population left Rostov before or during the time that the Germans arrived.

it appears that there is some confusion here.. original discussion was
referring to expulsion in 1915, which was during WWI (one), while Linda
Morzillo seems to be talking about the evacuation, not expulsion that took
place during WWII (two), when many Jews were in fact evacuated to central
asia.
Roman Vilner
Brooklyn, NY
Vilner, Lieberman, Pinchuk - Mogilev/Gorky, Belarus
Shmulenson- Vinnitsa, Ukraine

I'd like to clarify what Meri-Jane Rochelson wrote about her father's
family:
There was a major expulsion of Jews >from Lithuania in June 1915. My
father's family, in Kovno, ended up in Rostov, Russia and stayed there until
1921. (If they had not returned to Kovno, the Holocaust would not have
found them.)
During research pertaining to my maternal grandfather who was born in 1882
in Rostov, (known as Rostov-on-Don), I learned that many of the Jewish
population left Rostov before or during the time that the Germans arrived.

<<Michael Goldstein asks - The former registration of family members I
located on the 1878 revision list was 14/14. I came across other families
on different pages whose former registration numbers were also 14/14.
Is there a connection between these people? Does this mean that these
people (or some of them) were part of the same household in the previous
revision and are related?>>

Several explanations are possible. Both families could have been living
together at the time of a previous census and were related. Or, they could
have been sharing the same house or apartment but were not related. Or,
some of the individuals could have been living with a family previously but
were not related - they were servants, or boarders. Additional research of
other records may prove which scenario is correct.

Howard Margol
Email: homargol@...

<<Michael Goldstein asks - The former registration of family members I
located on the 1878 revision list was 14/14. I came across other families
on different pages whose former registration numbers were also 14/14.
Is there a connection between these people? Does this mean that these
people (or some of them) were part of the same household in the previous
revision and are related?>>

Several explanations are possible. Both families could have been living
together at the time of a previous census and were related. Or, they could
have been sharing the same house or apartment but were not related. Or,
some of the individuals could have been living with a family previously but
were not related - they were servants, or boarders. Additional research of
other records may prove which scenario is correct.

Howard Margol
Email: homargol@...

In the catalogue of the National Archives of S.
Africa I have come across an entry, dated 1877, which
contains some Afrikaans, which does not make 100%
sense to me - sadly, I do not read nor speak the
language.

The Description of the record reads:
" SELIGMANN, JACOB. INSOLVENTE BOEDEL"

And the Remarks section contains:
" BEVAT GEEN STERFKENNIS NIE. "

Without actually looking up the document, is it
possible to divine what it may be about?
What is the meaning and the legal(?) significance of
the words "Bevat geen sterfkennis nie" ?

My interest in this is that "SELIGMANN, Jacob" may
have been related to me!

Adam Yamey, London UK <adamandlopa@...>


*** Insolvent estate - contains no death notice.
- Moderator

In the catalogue of the National Archives of S.
Africa I have come across an entry, dated 1877, which
contains some Afrikaans, which does not make 100%
sense to me - sadly, I do not read nor speak the
language.

The Description of the record reads:
" SELIGMANN, JACOB. INSOLVENTE BOEDEL"

And the Remarks section contains:
" BEVAT GEEN STERFKENNIS NIE. "

Without actually looking up the document, is it
possible to divine what it may be about?
What is the meaning and the legal(?) significance of
the words "Bevat geen sterfkennis nie" ?

My interest in this is that "SELIGMANN, Jacob" may
have been related to me!

Adam Yamey, London UK <adamandlopa@...>


*** Insolvent estate - contains no death notice.
- Moderator