ordering post 1903 records
#galicia
Suzan & Ron Wynne <srwynne@...>
Mark Halpern indicated in his reply that post 1903 records can't be ordered.
It is true that they can't be ordered through JRI because JRI deals almost exclusively with the Polish State Archives system that houses old records. However, some information about a person can be released by the local records office, known as the Urzad Stanu Cywilnego (USC). You will not receive a copy of the record but, instead, some information can be transferred to a form that Poland uses for this purpose. You may be asked to prove that the person in question is either dead or alive and has given you permission to make the inquiry. To inquire, type a letter in Polish and send it to the local USC. You won't need a specific street address unless there are multiple towns of the same name. Not all villages have records offices but someone will know how to forward the letter to the right place if your village does not have a USC. Payment is easy but the amount is based on research time. I haven't ordered a record >from a USC for a few years but the last time I did, the Polish consulate in Washington notified me that they had the record, gave me the cost for the research and the record, I sent them a check and they sent me the record. What you will get is demographic in nature. For instance, the cause of death was not on the form, nor were the remarks in the last column. But names of parents, age and that sort of information was on the form. Suzan Wynne Kensington, MD
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Archivist - after Care Records for Norwood House
#unitedkingdom
NJ55TURTLE@...
I'm trying to get an address for a Betty Marks, who is the "Archivist- after
Care Records" for Norwood House. My letter to her was returned "No Longer At This Address". I am in need of information on a 7 year old boy, who according to the 1901 English census, was a student at the Jew's Hospital and Orphan Asylum School, which later became part of Norwood House. If anyone out there can help or would like more information on the person I am seeking, please E- mail me. Stephen Pickholtz Tabernacle, New Jersey USA searching-- PICKHOLTZ (all spellings) and Winitsky (all spellings)
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Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia ordering post 1903 records
#galicia
Suzan & Ron Wynne <srwynne@...>
Mark Halpern indicated in his reply that post 1903 records can't be ordered.
It is true that they can't be ordered through JRI because JRI deals almost exclusively with the Polish State Archives system that houses old records. However, some information about a person can be released by the local records office, known as the Urzad Stanu Cywilnego (USC). You will not receive a copy of the record but, instead, some information can be transferred to a form that Poland uses for this purpose. You may be asked to prove that the person in question is either dead or alive and has given you permission to make the inquiry. To inquire, type a letter in Polish and send it to the local USC. You won't need a specific street address unless there are multiple towns of the same name. Not all villages have records offices but someone will know how to forward the letter to the right place if your village does not have a USC. Payment is easy but the amount is based on research time. I haven't ordered a record >from a USC for a few years but the last time I did, the Polish consulate in Washington notified me that they had the record, gave me the cost for the research and the record, I sent them a check and they sent me the record. What you will get is demographic in nature. For instance, the cause of death was not on the form, nor were the remarks in the last column. But names of parents, age and that sort of information was on the form. Suzan Wynne Kensington, MD
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JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom Archivist - after Care Records for Norwood House
#unitedkingdom
NJ55TURTLE@...
I'm trying to get an address for a Betty Marks, who is the "Archivist- after
Care Records" for Norwood House. My letter to her was returned "No Longer At This Address". I am in need of information on a 7 year old boy, who according to the 1901 English census, was a student at the Jew's Hospital and Orphan Asylum School, which later became part of Norwood House. If anyone out there can help or would like more information on the person I am seeking, please E- mail me. Stephen Pickholtz Tabernacle, New Jersey USA searching-- PICKHOLTZ (all spellings) and Winitsky (all spellings)
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Hirek az Elhurcoltakrol
#hungary
Gábor Hirsch <hirsch@...>
Through a fortmer info >from jewishgen I became aware that there is a
list of Displaced Person camps shortly after liberation, so I took a look to see what does it contain. I knew about the list as in November 2002 I informed H-SIG about the paper, the camps and more datailed about "Sluzk a camp near Minsk" where I spent a few month with some 850 other inmates. I was and still am disturbed by the incorrect information of the camps in former Soviet Union. I can't speak for the other S.U. camps but in Sluzk the majority of the Hungarian inmates were the ones liberated in different KZ-s, Auschwitz, Stutthof, etc.more than the half were women, several of Mengele's twins, in the Italian sector of the camp was Primo Levi, even a baby born Dec. 1944 in Birkenau is listed, today she lives in Canada. I would expect that the information supplied should be correct or corrected if an obvious failure is pointed out. The introduction to the Sluzk list indicates clearly who the victims were: "Deportaltak Feheroroszorszagban", for complettness you can see the Hungarian foreword, it can be find on Viewmate under http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=4598 May be that USHMM gave the incorrect information and should be informed too, by the way the "Hirek az elhurcoltakrol" are 88 pages and is available fromm USHMM as paper copy or microfiche for affordable prices. Best regards Gabor Hirsch > Hungarian Jewish Survivors listed in a Hungarian Periodical > > This is a list of Hungarian Jewish camp survivors that was published > in the Hungarian periodical Hirek az Elhurcoltakrol. > > General Information About the Lists > In 1945 a now defunct Hungarian periodical, Hirek az Elhurcoltakrol > (News about the Deportees)published five issues listing Hungarian > Jewish survivors located in various European Displaced Person camps. > Most of these camps were in Germany and Austria, but there are also > lists >from Sweden, France, Czechoslovakia, Poland and the former > Soviet Union. In the latter case, these were Hungarian Jewish > prisoners of war (forced laborers) captured by the Russians. > The first installment of 8,644 names has now been computerized. Other Author(s)/Editor(s): Sándor, Dezsö. Magyarországi Zsidók Deportáltakat Gondozó Országos Bizottság. Title: Hirek az elhurcoltakról = News about the deportees / [felelös szerkesztö, Sándor Dezsö]. Publisher: Budapest : Magyarországi Zsidók Deportáltakat Gondozó Országos Bizottság, 1945. Extent: [88] leaves Location: Names Lists Location Note: Names List section: Hungary. Call Number: DS135.H9 H56 1945 Status: Available
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Hungary SIG #Hungary Hirek az Elhurcoltakrol
#hungary
Gábor Hirsch <hirsch@...>
Through a fortmer info >from jewishgen I became aware that there is a
list of Displaced Person camps shortly after liberation, so I took a look to see what does it contain. I knew about the list as in November 2002 I informed H-SIG about the paper, the camps and more datailed about "Sluzk a camp near Minsk" where I spent a few month with some 850 other inmates. I was and still am disturbed by the incorrect information of the camps in former Soviet Union. I can't speak for the other S.U. camps but in Sluzk the majority of the Hungarian inmates were the ones liberated in different KZ-s, Auschwitz, Stutthof, etc.more than the half were women, several of Mengele's twins, in the Italian sector of the camp was Primo Levi, even a baby born Dec. 1944 in Birkenau is listed, today she lives in Canada. I would expect that the information supplied should be correct or corrected if an obvious failure is pointed out. The introduction to the Sluzk list indicates clearly who the victims were: "Deportaltak Feheroroszorszagban", for complettness you can see the Hungarian foreword, it can be find on Viewmate under http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=4598 May be that USHMM gave the incorrect information and should be informed too, by the way the "Hirek az elhurcoltakrol" are 88 pages and is available fromm USHMM as paper copy or microfiche for affordable prices. Best regards Gabor Hirsch > Hungarian Jewish Survivors listed in a Hungarian Periodical > > This is a list of Hungarian Jewish camp survivors that was published > in the Hungarian periodical Hirek az Elhurcoltakrol. > > General Information About the Lists > In 1945 a now defunct Hungarian periodical, Hirek az Elhurcoltakrol > (News about the Deportees)published five issues listing Hungarian > Jewish survivors located in various European Displaced Person camps. > Most of these camps were in Germany and Austria, but there are also > lists >from Sweden, France, Czechoslovakia, Poland and the former > Soviet Union. In the latter case, these were Hungarian Jewish > prisoners of war (forced laborers) captured by the Russians. > The first installment of 8,644 names has now been computerized. Other Author(s)/Editor(s): Sándor, Dezsö. Magyarországi Zsidók Deportáltakat Gondozó Országos Bizottság. Title: Hirek az elhurcoltakról = News about the deportees / [felelös szerkesztö, Sándor Dezsö]. Publisher: Budapest : Magyarországi Zsidók Deportáltakat Gondozó Országos Bizottság, 1945. Extent: [88] leaves Location: Names Lists Location Note: Names List section: Hungary. Call Number: DS135.H9 H56 1945 Status: Available
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Re: Deutsch family name
#hungary
BruceKitty@...
Robert,
Thank you for this info. The history of sources for names is so interesting. Kitty Sauber
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Re: h-sig digest: August 15, 2004 Register Index
#hungary
Sam Schleman <Samara99@...>
Dear Andras.
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I went back to look at the film, and I think you have it exactly. If you don't mind, I have two questions. On the microfilm photographed by the Mormons, the title says "Register Index" and then 1801 - 1878. What would that year range represent? Wouldn't the census be taken at a particular time, or was it a running census, in which new people are added over time? My other questions concerns the number of people in the Register Index. The leftmost column contains a sequential number. In this instance, the highest number reached is 2684. That seems like a great many Jews for Galszecs. Do you have any idea why there would be so many? Perhaps I do not realize how large Galszecs was. Or perhaps this is caused by what I said above, about a running census. Your thoughts on both questions are much appreciated. Thank you. Sam Schleman
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From: "Andras Koltai" <kolamcg@...> To: "H-SIG" <h-sig@...> Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 2:34 AM Subject: Re:[h-sig] h-sig digest: August 15, 2004 Register Index Dear Sam Schleman,
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Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Re:h-sig digest: August 15, 2004 Register Index
#hungary
Sam Schleman <Samara99@...>
Dear Andras.
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I went back to look at the film, and I think you have it exactly. If you don't mind, I have two questions. On the microfilm photographed by the Mormons, the title says "Register Index" and then 1801 - 1878. What would that year range represent? Wouldn't the census be taken at a particular time, or was it a running census, in which new people are added over time? My other questions concerns the number of people in the Register Index. The leftmost column contains a sequential number. In this instance, the highest number reached is 2684. That seems like a great many Jews for Galszecs. Do you have any idea why there would be so many? Perhaps I do not realize how large Galszecs was. Or perhaps this is caused by what I said above, about a running census. Your thoughts on both questions are much appreciated. Thank you. Sam Schleman
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From: "Andras Koltai" <kolamcg@...> To: "H-SIG" <h-sig@...> Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 2:34 AM Subject: Re:[h-sig] h-sig digest: August 15, 2004 Register Index Dear Sam Schleman,
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Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Re:Deutsch family name
#hungary
BruceKitty@...
Robert,
Thank you for this info. The history of sources for names is so interesting. Kitty Sauber
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Re: Hungarian Group in NYC
#hungary
rose@...
Hi Sam,
There was a Socialist group in Yorkville (Manhattan) during the 20s,30s and40s called Munkas Otthon ( worker's home). It was an active social,cultural and educational group and also had a restaurant serving all the great Hungarian dishes. Rose Linden Little Silver, N.J.
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Re: Deutsch family name
#hungary
Oudeyis <victor@...>
Consensus!
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Considering the name's generic nature (Deutch: German origin, German descent, German speaking, speaker of Judeo-German or Yiddish, and possibly others) and the number of people with the Deutch surname this appears to be the best explanation. Does Dr. Beider have anything specific to say about Friedlanders? Victor
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From: "Robert Neu" <roneu1@...> To: "H-SIG" <h-sig@...> Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 5:30 PM Subject: Spam: Re:[h-sig] Deutsch family name The best authority on Jewish names is Dr. Beider. I am certainly not an
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Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Re:Deutsch family name
#hungary
Oudeyis <victor@...>
Consensus!
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Considering the name's generic nature (Deutch: German origin, German descent, German speaking, speaker of Judeo-German or Yiddish, and possibly others) and the number of people with the Deutch surname this appears to be the best explanation. Does Dr. Beider have anything specific to say about Friedlanders? Victor
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From: "Robert Neu" <roneu1@...> To: "H-SIG" <h-sig@...> Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 5:30 PM Subject: Spam: Re:[h-sig] Deutsch family name The best authority on Jewish names is Dr. Beider. I am certainly not an
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Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Hungarian Group in NYC
#hungary
rose@...
Hi Sam,
There was a Socialist group in Yorkville (Manhattan) during the 20s,30s and40s called Munkas Otthon ( worker's home). It was an active social,cultural and educational group and also had a restaurant serving all the great Hungarian dishes. Rose Linden Little Silver, N.J.
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Seeking GERECHTER in Israel
#germany
A & B Algaze <Algaze@...>
I am looking for the descendants of two daughters of Leo GERECHTER who was
born in Germany, worked as a baker, survived Auschwitz, and emigrated to Israel where he died after 1947. The daughters were both born in Germany and emigrated to Israel. Their names were Liddie and Miriam. Miriam would have been born about 1923 and married a man with the surname of Sherman. If anyone has any information on either of these GERECHTER daughters, please let me know. With many thanks, Barbara Algaze Los Angeles, California Algaze@...
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German SIG #Germany Seeking GERECHTER in Israel
#germany
A & B Algaze <Algaze@...>
I am looking for the descendants of two daughters of Leo GERECHTER who was
born in Germany, worked as a baker, survived Auschwitz, and emigrated to Israel where he died after 1947. The daughters were both born in Germany and emigrated to Israel. Their names were Liddie and Miriam. Miriam would have been born about 1923 and married a man with the surname of Sherman. If anyone has any information on either of these GERECHTER daughters, please let me know. With many thanks, Barbara Algaze Los Angeles, California Algaze@...
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Adolph HERZ from Terra Haute, Indiana and Baden (?) Germany
#germany
A & B Algaze <Algaze@...>
I am looking for information regarding the German ancestry of Adolph HERZ
who lived in Terra Haute, Indiana. He arrived in the US about 1866 via New York and settled in Indiana pretty soon after his arrival. He was betrothed to Pauline EINSTEIN before he left, and she arrived about 1870, also into New York. They married about 1872 and had three children, two girls and a boy by the name of Milton. Adolph HERZ was a prominent member of the Terra Haute business and Jewish community and there is a lot of information about his Indiana business and philanthropic activities available. I am looking for any German connections for either Adolph HERZ or Pauline EINSTEIN. I have reason to believe that they came >from Baden, but have no additional data besides that. I was unable to find any connections on the JGFF or the Family Tree of the Jewish People. Any assistance would be ***greaatly**** appreciated. Thank you, Barbara Algaze Los Angeles, California Algaze@...
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German SIG #Germany Adolph HERZ from Terra Haute, Indiana and Baden (?) Germany
#germany
A & B Algaze <Algaze@...>
I am looking for information regarding the German ancestry of Adolph HERZ
who lived in Terra Haute, Indiana. He arrived in the US about 1866 via New York and settled in Indiana pretty soon after his arrival. He was betrothed to Pauline EINSTEIN before he left, and she arrived about 1870, also into New York. They married about 1872 and had three children, two girls and a boy by the name of Milton. Adolph HERZ was a prominent member of the Terra Haute business and Jewish community and there is a lot of information about his Indiana business and philanthropic activities available. I am looking for any German connections for either Adolph HERZ or Pauline EINSTEIN. I have reason to believe that they came >from Baden, but have no additional data besides that. I was unable to find any connections on the JGFF or the Family Tree of the Jewish People. Any assistance would be ***greaatly**** appreciated. Thank you, Barbara Algaze Los Angeles, California Algaze@...
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DAUST family from St. Louis, Mo.; seeking descendants
#usa
My great-grandfather's brother, Adolf DAUST, whose name was originally DAUS,
was born in about 1856, probably in Wongrowitz, Posen, Prussia (today: Wagrowiec, Pila, Poland). Adolf DAUST lived in St. Louis, Mo., >from 1883 through 1906, after which he is believed to have returned to his homeland of Germany and lived in Berlin, where he was the second president of the Wongrowitzer Landmanschaften. During his time in St. Louis, Adolf married Henriette SACHS in St. Louis in 1884. They had two daughters, Mollie, born in about 1885, and Fannie, born in about 1888. For their first few years in St. Louis, Adolf had a store selling notions, then he shifted to specializing in selling hats (in partnership with a man named Theodore Marglous). (Adolf's brother, my great-grandfather Salo DAUST, first appeared in St. Louis in 1895 as a dry goods store owner.) By 1904, Adolph had move up in the world as he became the vice president of the Washington National Bank in St. Louis, a position he held until 1905. In that year, according to a ship's manifest on the Ellis Island Foundation's database, Adolf and his wife and daughters returned >from a visit to Europe. Adolf is listed as a U.S. citizen and "retired merchant" whose "last permanent residence" is listed as Wongrowitz and whose "final destination" is St. Louis, Mo. If in 1906 he returned to Germany for good, I would like to find out if anyone knows what became of his two daughters and whether they have any living descendants. Did they go with him and his wife back to Germany or did they stay in St. Louis or elsewhere in the U.S.? Mollie DAUST would have been age 21 in 1906 and Fannie DAUST would have been age 18. Martin Fischer Oak Park, Illinois Surnames researching in St. Louis include: FISCHER, DAUST, GELHORN, KOBER, ROMANSKY, SLUPSKY, WEISSKOPF The Fischer and Levin family history Web site is at: http://mefischer1.home.comcast.net/
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Early American SIG #USA DAUST family from St. Louis, Mo.; seeking descendants
#usa
My great-grandfather's brother, Adolf DAUST, whose name was originally DAUS,
was born in about 1856, probably in Wongrowitz, Posen, Prussia (today: Wagrowiec, Pila, Poland). Adolf DAUST lived in St. Louis, Mo., >from 1883 through 1906, after which he is believed to have returned to his homeland of Germany and lived in Berlin, where he was the second president of the Wongrowitzer Landmanschaften. During his time in St. Louis, Adolf married Henriette SACHS in St. Louis in 1884. They had two daughters, Mollie, born in about 1885, and Fannie, born in about 1888. For their first few years in St. Louis, Adolf had a store selling notions, then he shifted to specializing in selling hats (in partnership with a man named Theodore Marglous). (Adolf's brother, my great-grandfather Salo DAUST, first appeared in St. Louis in 1895 as a dry goods store owner.) By 1904, Adolph had move up in the world as he became the vice president of the Washington National Bank in St. Louis, a position he held until 1905. In that year, according to a ship's manifest on the Ellis Island Foundation's database, Adolf and his wife and daughters returned >from a visit to Europe. Adolf is listed as a U.S. citizen and "retired merchant" whose "last permanent residence" is listed as Wongrowitz and whose "final destination" is St. Louis, Mo. If in 1906 he returned to Germany for good, I would like to find out if anyone knows what became of his two daughters and whether they have any living descendants. Did they go with him and his wife back to Germany or did they stay in St. Louis or elsewhere in the U.S.? Mollie DAUST would have been age 21 in 1906 and Fannie DAUST would have been age 18. Martin Fischer Oak Park, Illinois Surnames researching in St. Louis include: FISCHER, DAUST, GELHORN, KOBER, ROMANSKY, SLUPSKY, WEISSKOPF The Fischer and Levin family history Web site is at: http://mefischer1.home.comcast.net/
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