Also, I would like to point out that the 1901 Census is currently being
indexed and is what is completed is available at
http://automatedgenealogy.com/census/NationalSummary.jsp

This is a volunteer project that anyone can assist with if they have the
time, anyone doing Canadian Research for that time period should have a
look.


Judi McNairn

Also, I would like to point out that the 1901 Census is currently being
indexed and is what is completed is available at
http://automatedgenealogy.com/census/NationalSummary.jsp

This is a volunteer project that anyone can assist with if they have the
time, anyone doing Canadian Research for that time period should have a
look.


Judi McNairn

I would like to contact Sura MATLIS GREINER who lives in Israel (somewhere!)
She submitted a Page of Testimony to Yad Vashem in 2000 that stated she was
the niece of Rivka MATLIS HOT of Olyka,Volyn.
We believe that she is a relative through the Matlis/Mathless family of
Olyka and would like to make contact.

Please respond privately if you can help or if you know of this family.

Thanks
Toby Brief, Campton, New Hampshire

AUERBACH Surname Project:
www.familytreedna.com/public/Auerbach
or
www.jewishgen.org/dna then go to Surnames Project List, then "A" for
Auerbach

Olyka: HORWITZ, FINKELSTEIN, MATHLESS, ERGA, GINGBURG, GORBATY
Horchiv(Gorokhov): AUERBACH (AVERBUCH), RAYSHER, RABINOWITZ
Rozhishche: AUERBACH, GOLDWEBER, WIDRA
Torcin: BRONSTEIN, WEISBERG
VolodymyrVolinsky (Ludmir), Zaslav: BRIEF, BURACK
Luts'k: SHAFIR

I would like to contact Sura MATLIS GREINER who lives in Israel (somewhere!)
She submitted a Page of Testimony to Yad Vashem in 2000 that stated she was
the niece of Rivka MATLIS HOT of Olyka,Volyn.
We believe that she is a relative through the Matlis/Mathless family of
Olyka and would like to make contact.

Please respond privately if you can help or if you know of this family.

Thanks
Toby Brief, Campton, New Hampshire

AUERBACH Surname Project:
www.familytreedna.com/public/Auerbach
or
www.jewishgen.org/dna then go to Surnames Project List, then "A" for
Auerbach

Olyka: HORWITZ, FINKELSTEIN, MATHLESS, ERGA, GINGBURG, GORBATY
Horchiv(Gorokhov): AUERBACH (AVERBUCH), RAYSHER, RABINOWITZ
Rozhishche: AUERBACH, GOLDWEBER, WIDRA
Torcin: BRONSTEIN, WEISBERG
VolodymyrVolinsky (Ludmir), Zaslav: BRIEF, BURACK
Luts'k: SHAFIR

Steven Perkins wrote:

Russia required all male Russian immigrants in USA and Canada to register
at a Russian Consulate during WWI. Not sure if they did the same during
the Russo-Japanese War. These can be located through the American Society
of Germans >from Russia Historical Society. Under Russian law you were
elligible for Russian military service if a grandparent had been a Russian
citizen.

Hmmm. Being that many emigrants >from Russia left for the purpose of evading
military service, I wonder how many of them would have registered with the
Russian consulate in the new world even if "required". It seems Russia would
have little practical power to enforce this requirement. Is there any
indication what percentage of immigrants complied with this?

I am familiar, by the way, with the American Historical Society of Germans

from Russia (www.ahsgr.org), and they have done some excellent work.

Tom Chatt
Los Angeles, CA

-----Original Message-----
From: scperkins [mailto:SPerkins@...]
Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 10:53 AM
To: JewishGen Discussion Group
Subject: WWI Alien Registration: Russian immigrants

Hello:

This was the same rule for eligibility to vote in some recent
Russian elections. Not sure if it is still the law.

Regards,

Steven C. Perkins

Steven Perkins wrote:

Russia required all male Russian immigrants in USA and Canada to register
at a Russian Consulate during WWI. Not sure if they did the same during
the Russo-Japanese War. These can be located through the American Society
of Germans >from Russia Historical Society. Under Russian law you were
elligible for Russian military service if a grandparent had been a Russian
citizen.

Hmmm. Being that many emigrants >from Russia left for the purpose of evading
military service, I wonder how many of them would have registered with the
Russian consulate in the new world even if "required". It seems Russia would
have little practical power to enforce this requirement. Is there any
indication what percentage of immigrants complied with this?

I am familiar, by the way, with the American Historical Society of Germans

from Russia (www.ahsgr.org), and they have done some excellent work.

Tom Chatt
Los Angeles, CA

-----Original Message-----
From: scperkins [mailto:SPerkins@...]
Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 10:53 AM
To: JewishGen Discussion Group
Subject: WWI Alien Registration: Russian immigrants

Hello:

This was the same rule for eligibility to vote in some recent
Russian elections. Not sure if it is still the law.

Regards,

Steven C. Perkins

Hi,

I am interested in finding any information about my relatives Shlomo and
Berel Groer. My grandfather, Velvl Groer was born in Bialystok in 1871.
My grandmother, Gutke Wajnstajn Groer was born in 1878. Her father was Hirsh
Wajnsztajn. I know brother Lieb owned a store. How many of these families
died/survived the Holocaust, and where are they now?

Sincerely,

Gabrielle Grower
34 Carol Court
Endwell, NY 13760
607-785-8404

MODERATOR'S NOTE: To discover whether other researchers are connected to
or looking for descendants of these families, you can search -- and
register with -- the JewishGen Family Finder at www.jewishgen.org/jgff

Hi,

I am interested in finding any information about my relatives Shlomo and
Berel Groer. My grandfather, Velvl Groer was born in Bialystok in 1871.
My grandmother, Gutke Wajnstajn Groer was born in 1878. Her father was Hirsh
Wajnsztajn. I know brother Lieb owned a store. How many of these families
died/survived the Holocaust, and where are they now?

Sincerely,

Gabrielle Grower
34 Carol Court
Endwell, NY 13760
607-785-8404

MODERATOR'S NOTE: To discover whether other researchers are connected to
or looking for descendants of these families, you can search -- and
register with -- the JewishGen Family Finder at www.jewishgen.org/jgff

Does anyone recognize this family?

Hilda KATZ and Morris COHEN married in Vilna and had 10 children.
One child was Ada COHEN, born in vilna September 1, 1889. She married
Steffan LORENZ of Hungry. They had three children. Two of them were
twins Estelle and Florence born March 21, 1909.

Thanks,

Mindie Kaplan
--
Researching: Vilna, Lithuania: Katz and Cohen; Smorgon, Oshmiany, Vilnius:
Allen/Ellen, Entis/Entes; Nowe Aleksandrowo/Nowo Aleksandrow: Glassman;
Anyksciai, Vilkomir, Kovno: Schneider/Schnaider; Anyksciai->Canada->US:
Splaver/Shplaver/Splava/Schplaver/Splawer; Anyksciai->England->US:
Landy/Lander/Lande; Anyksciai->Cleveland, Ohio: Jaffee; Svenciany,
Svencionys, Vilnius: Jaffe; Svenciany->Anyksciai->U.S.->Israel: Jaffe

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please respond privately.

Does anyone recognize this family?

Hilda KATZ and Morris COHEN married in Vilna and had 10 children.
One child was Ada COHEN, born in vilna September 1, 1889. She married
Steffan LORENZ of Hungry. They had three children. Two of them were
twins Estelle and Florence born March 21, 1909.

Thanks,

Mindie Kaplan
--
Researching: Vilna, Lithuania: Katz and Cohen; Smorgon, Oshmiany, Vilnius:
Allen/Ellen, Entis/Entes; Nowe Aleksandrowo/Nowo Aleksandrow: Glassman;
Anyksciai, Vilkomir, Kovno: Schneider/Schnaider; Anyksciai->Canada->US:
Splaver/Shplaver/Splava/Schplaver/Splawer; Anyksciai->England->US:
Landy/Lander/Lande; Anyksciai->Cleveland, Ohio: Jaffee; Svenciany,
Svencionys, Vilnius: Jaffe; Svenciany->Anyksciai->U.S.->Israel: Jaffe

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please respond privately.

I would like to know if anyone has actually been and seen the grave
of the RaSHaL (Shlomo Luria) in the *old* Lublin cemetery. What's
its condition, etc.

Thanks,

Neil Rosenstein
Elizabeth, N.J., U.S.A.

I would like to know if anyone has actually been and seen the grave
of the RaSHaL (Shlomo Luria) in the *old* Lublin cemetery. What's
its condition, etc.

Thanks,

Neil Rosenstein
Elizabeth, N.J., U.S.A.

A number of articles have appeared in recent weeks in New York and Jewish
newspapers about a former Jewish cemetery in Yonkers, N.Y. -- just west of
the New York State Thruway (Route 87) and about three miles north of the
Cross County Expressway. The half-acre cemetery of the now defunct
Congregation People of Righteousness has been the subject of a year-long
investigation by N.Y. State Attorney General Eliot Spitzer, begun after a
Lake Placid, N.Y., woman complained about the disappearance of the cemetery
where her grandparents were buried.

Investigators learned that the cemetery was moved 15 years ago to make way
for the parking garage for two new superstores. Under the terms of a
court-approved 1989 agreement, drawn up with the approval of rabbinical
authorities, all remains were to be relocated at the developer's expense, in
accordance with Orthodox Jewish law and under the supervision of a Jewish
funeral director - either to Eretz Hachaim Cemetery in Jerusalem or, at the
request of families, to cemeteries in the United States. Although an old map
of the cemetery shows at least 241 burials, Spitzer's office found evidence
that 77 graves (65 adults and 12 children) were moved to Jerusalem and that
no more than 20 were relocated within the U.S. Removal permits were obtained
for the 20 U.S. reburials but not for the graves moved to Israel. The
Attorney General's court brief raises questions in particular about the fate
of about 135 children's graves that cannot be accounted for and may never
have been moved. The brief calls for an appropriate memorial to those once
buried in the Yonkers cemetery and a contribution by the responsible parties
to rehabilitate and maintain other abandoned Jewish cemeteries in New York.

According to newspaper reports, People of Righteousness, an Orthodox
synagogue, was founded in 1898 and bought its cemetery grounds in 1899. The
synagogue, which was located adjacent to the cemetery, was demolished in
1969. By 1989, the cemetery, overseen by five surviving synagogue members,
was "in shameful condition" -- "thoroughly overgrown with vegetation" and
"in serious disrepair."

Renee

A number of articles have appeared in recent weeks in New York and Jewish
newspapers about a former Jewish cemetery in Yonkers, N.Y. -- just west of
the New York State Thruway (Route 87) and about three miles north of the
Cross County Expressway. The half-acre cemetery of the now defunct
Congregation People of Righteousness has been the subject of a year-long
investigation by N.Y. State Attorney General Eliot Spitzer, begun after a
Lake Placid, N.Y., woman complained about the disappearance of the cemetery
where her grandparents were buried.

Investigators learned that the cemetery was moved 15 years ago to make way
for the parking garage for two new superstores. Under the terms of a
court-approved 1989 agreement, drawn up with the approval of rabbinical
authorities, all remains were to be relocated at the developer's expense, in
accordance with Orthodox Jewish law and under the supervision of a Jewish
funeral director - either to Eretz Hachaim Cemetery in Jerusalem or, at the
request of families, to cemeteries in the United States. Although an old map
of the cemetery shows at least 241 burials, Spitzer's office found evidence
that 77 graves (65 adults and 12 children) were moved to Jerusalem and that
no more than 20 were relocated within the U.S. Removal permits were obtained
for the 20 U.S. reburials but not for the graves moved to Israel. The
Attorney General's court brief raises questions in particular about the fate
of about 135 children's graves that cannot be accounted for and may never
have been moved. The brief calls for an appropriate memorial to those once
buried in the Yonkers cemetery and a contribution by the responsible parties
to rehabilitate and maintain other abandoned Jewish cemeteries in New York.

According to newspaper reports, People of Righteousness, an Orthodox
synagogue, was founded in 1898 and bought its cemetery grounds in 1899. The
synagogue, which was located adjacent to the cemetery, was demolished in
1969. By 1989, the cemetery, overseen by five surviving synagogue members,
was "in shameful condition" -- "thoroughly overgrown with vegetation" and
"in serious disrepair."

Renee

On 2004.09.06, Jeff Miller <SingingTM@...> wrote:

Does anyone know anything about this rabbinate >from Lissa, Prussia?
I am also interested in learning more about the female line of the
ABARBANEL family, and about descendants >from this family.

Jeff Miller asked about ABARBANELs in Lissa. This might just be
his lucky day. I am in Lissa - now Leszno - for a few days, to do
genealogical research at the state archives. There were indeed
ABARBANELs here. I have started noting them down... No guarantees
or promises.

Regards,
Simon Srebrny

On 2004.09.06, Jeff Miller <SingingTM@...> wrote:

Does anyone know anything about this rabbinate >from Lissa, Prussia?
I am also interested in learning more about the female line of the
ABARBANEL family, and about descendants >from this family.

Jeff Miller asked about ABARBANELs in Lissa. This might just be
his lucky day. I am in Lissa - now Leszno - for a few days, to do
genealogical research at the state archives. There were indeed
ABARBANELs here. I have started noting them down... No guarantees
or promises.

Regards,
Simon Srebrny

I have read many times that immigrants names were not changed at Ellis
Island. However, I would like to see more of a discussion about changing
names. I have a grandparent who, it is said changed his name after he left
Russia in 1901. But when could that have occurred?

As I understand it, you need to "register" to leave your town (and that
records exist documenting this), and I would assume to do that you had to
use your real name.

Once you got to the ship you were taking, did you have to show papers that
proved that the name you provided was your real name or could you give a
false name at this point?

Once you were in the country, could you just start using another name at the
turn of the 20th century?

Bottom line, for those of us who wish to find our ancestors in the Old
Country, how can we connect to the old name?

Mara Fein
Los Angeles
maraharv@...

Researching surnames: GORDON (Kharkov), GOODER (Kharkov, Kiev), FRIEDMAN
(Lithuania), BRAUNHOLTZ (Lithuania), HECHT (Galicia), WEINSTEIN (Austria),
GOLDMAN (Russia), KNOBLER (Austria), GLASSBERG, KLUBKNICK

I have read many times that immigrants names were not changed at Ellis
Island. However, I would like to see more of a discussion about changing
names. I have a grandparent who, it is said changed his name after he left
Russia in 1901. But when could that have occurred?

As I understand it, you need to "register" to leave your town (and that
records exist documenting this), and I would assume to do that you had to
use your real name.

Once you got to the ship you were taking, did you have to show papers that
proved that the name you provided was your real name or could you give a
false name at this point?

Once you were in the country, could you just start using another name at the
turn of the 20th century?

Bottom line, for those of us who wish to find our ancestors in the Old
Country, how can we connect to the old name?

Mara Fein
Los Angeles
maraharv@...

Researching surnames: GORDON (Kharkov), GOODER (Kharkov, Kiev), FRIEDMAN
(Lithuania), BRAUNHOLTZ (Lithuania), HECHT (Galicia), WEINSTEIN (Austria),
GOLDMAN (Russia), KNOBLER (Austria), GLASSBERG, KLUBKNICK

On Mon, 6 Sep 2004 13:20:22 -0700 (PDT) < msnodrog@... > wrote:

What I need help with is the names of cemeteries in the Bronx/Brooklyn/Queens
area that would have a computerized database of people who are buried there.

Some of the largest Jewish cemeteries in the NY area are not computerized,
most notably Washington Cemetery in Brooklyn and Baron Hirsch Cemetery on
Staten Island. As has been written many times in this discussion group,
the only sure-fire way to find out where someone is buried is to order
their death certificate. Please read the JGSNY Cemetery FAQ's at
http://www.jgsny.org/cemfaqs.htm, especially FAQ #6.

There are no Jewish cemeteries in the Bronx. A list of Jewish Cemeteries
in the New York Metropolitan area can be found at
< http://www.jgsny.org/cemfaqs.htm >.

MODERATOR NOTE: A good place to look is the JewishGen Online Worldwide Burial
Registry. For NY they have documented 199 cemeteries most in NYC. Please go to:
http://www2.jewishgen.org/databases/cemetery/ >>

While I agree with the Moderator that checking the JewishGen Online
Worldwide Burial Registry (JOWBR) is a good first step, the burial
societies that are listed for NYC are not cemeteries, but rather are
landsmanshaftn and synagogue plots within a much larger cemetery. They are
part of a larger entity, but are not the whole entity in itself. Most of
the larger NYC Jewish cemeteries contain hundreds of thousands of burials
and thus it is not humanly possible for any single individual or group of
individuals to catalog an entire cemetery. It is more realistic to catalog
the burial societies for one's ancestral shtetl, family circle, or
synagogue. For instance, in the JOWBR listing under Queens, NY, there are
30 burial societies listed for Mt. Hebron Cemetery and 35 for Mt. Zion
Cemetery. In actuality, these are just a small portion of the total amount
of societies in these two cemeteries, which at last count are 846 and 764
societies, respectively. Thus the NYC burial societies listed in the JOWBR
are still just a minute drop in the bucket for any given cemetery and
cannot be construed to represent the entire cemetery. In all, there are
over 10,000 burial society plots in the New York Metropolitan area,
including Long Island and northern and central New Jersey. You can search
for them by town name and keyword at < http://www.jgsny.org/searchcity.htm >.

Waldheim Jewish Cemeteries in the Chicago suburb of Forest Park, Illinois
is a large Jewish cemetery that contains over 200,000 graves and where of
each of the separate landsmanshaftn and synagogue plots are referred to as
a "cemetery". The Piser Weinstein Menorah Chapels' cemetery map refers to
these societies collectively as the "Jewish Waldheim Cemeteries". In NYC
though that is not the case; a burial society is not a cemetery by any
stretch of the imagination. In fact, the majority of NYC burial societies
have plots in more than one cemetery. Thus the bottom line is that care
must be taken in what is referred to as a NYC cemetery.

Here's hoping that during the 2006 IAJGS Conference to be held in NYC, that
conference attendees will catalog at least one NYC burial society of their
ancestral shtetl, family circle, or synagogue so that the JOWBR can grow.

Ada Green
adagreen@...
New York, NY

On Mon, 6 Sep 2004 13:20:22 -0700 (PDT) < msnodrog@... > wrote:

What I need help with is the names of cemeteries in the Bronx/Brooklyn/Queens
area that would have a computerized database of people who are buried there.

Some of the largest Jewish cemeteries in the NY area are not computerized,
most notably Washington Cemetery in Brooklyn and Baron Hirsch Cemetery on
Staten Island. As has been written many times in this discussion group,
the only sure-fire way to find out where someone is buried is to order
their death certificate. Please read the JGSNY Cemetery FAQ's at
http://www.jgsny.org/cemfaqs.htm, especially FAQ #6.

There are no Jewish cemeteries in the Bronx. A list of Jewish Cemeteries
in the New York Metropolitan area can be found at
< http://www.jgsny.org/cemfaqs.htm >.

MODERATOR NOTE: A good place to look is the JewishGen Online Worldwide Burial
Registry. For NY they have documented 199 cemeteries most in NYC. Please go to:
http://www2.jewishgen.org/databases/cemetery/ >>

While I agree with the Moderator that checking the JewishGen Online
Worldwide Burial Registry (JOWBR) is a good first step, the burial
societies that are listed for NYC are not cemeteries, but rather are
landsmanshaftn and synagogue plots within a much larger cemetery. They are
part of a larger entity, but are not the whole entity in itself. Most of
the larger NYC Jewish cemeteries contain hundreds of thousands of burials
and thus it is not humanly possible for any single individual or group of
individuals to catalog an entire cemetery. It is more realistic to catalog
the burial societies for one's ancestral shtetl, family circle, or
synagogue. For instance, in the JOWBR listing under Queens, NY, there are
30 burial societies listed for Mt. Hebron Cemetery and 35 for Mt. Zion
Cemetery. In actuality, these are just a small portion of the total amount
of societies in these two cemeteries, which at last count are 846 and 764
societies, respectively. Thus the NYC burial societies listed in the JOWBR
are still just a minute drop in the bucket for any given cemetery and
cannot be construed to represent the entire cemetery. In all, there are
over 10,000 burial society plots in the New York Metropolitan area,
including Long Island and northern and central New Jersey. You can search
for them by town name and keyword at < http://www.jgsny.org/searchcity.htm >.

Waldheim Jewish Cemeteries in the Chicago suburb of Forest Park, Illinois
is a large Jewish cemetery that contains over 200,000 graves and where of
each of the separate landsmanshaftn and synagogue plots are referred to as
a "cemetery". The Piser Weinstein Menorah Chapels' cemetery map refers to
these societies collectively as the "Jewish Waldheim Cemeteries". In NYC
though that is not the case; a burial society is not a cemetery by any
stretch of the imagination. In fact, the majority of NYC burial societies
have plots in more than one cemetery. Thus the bottom line is that care
must be taken in what is referred to as a NYC cemetery.

Here's hoping that during the 2006 IAJGS Conference to be held in NYC, that
conference attendees will catalog at least one NYC burial society of their
ancestral shtetl, family circle, or synagogue so that the JOWBR can grow.

Ada Green
adagreen@...
New York, NY