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Jerusalem conference #germany

Dr Donald Stein <dwsanes@...>
 

we have just returned >from the Conference in Jerusalem. This was the sixth
Conference which we have attended. The program was excellent, ran on time
and the presentations worthwhile. It was disheartening that there were not
more attendees >from outside of Israel. We spent an extra week in Israel and
encountered no problems anyplace. This included walking around the city,
dining in the city at fine restaurants and going to the wall. We also drove
freely including going to Safed and spending time in Karmi'el, Haifa and Tel Aviv.

The high point was the afternoon and evening at Yad Vashem with special
praise for the excellent evening program. The staff was most helpful and
attentive in assisting our researches.

from my American point of view as a frequent Marriott customer, we were
disappointed in the hotel. It did not meet our expectations; however, the
Israelis attending the meeting were quite pleased with it. As a frequent
traveler, I would have preferred to deal directly with the hotel as has been
the case at all the prior conferences which we have attended. Ortra being a
third party was not in our best interests.

Registration could have been better organized. Registration opened at 11 AM
with the first events scheduled for noon. The lines were long and there was
considerable confusion.

Another low point was trying to work at the Central Archives; although they
had anticipated and requested only a limited number of researchers at a time
and then by appointment; this did not occur. The facilities are quite
limited and the staff was overwhelmed.

Other than the above, it was a great conference and the organizing committee
deserves a great deal of praise. Furthermore, we heartily encourage travel
to Israel. We felt safer on this visit than we did on our first trip thirty
years ago. To experience and see the modern State of Israel was well worth
the time and money.

Donald W. Stein, M.D. Oro Valley, Arizona

MODERATOR NOTE: Thank you for your report on the IAJGS Jerusalem Conference.
Reports >from others who attended will be welcomed, especially as regards German
Jewish research.


German SIG #Germany Jerusalem conference #germany

Dr Donald Stein <dwsanes@...>
 

we have just returned >from the Conference in Jerusalem. This was the sixth
Conference which we have attended. The program was excellent, ran on time
and the presentations worthwhile. It was disheartening that there were not
more attendees >from outside of Israel. We spent an extra week in Israel and
encountered no problems anyplace. This included walking around the city,
dining in the city at fine restaurants and going to the wall. We also drove
freely including going to Safed and spending time in Karmi'el, Haifa and Tel Aviv.

The high point was the afternoon and evening at Yad Vashem with special
praise for the excellent evening program. The staff was most helpful and
attentive in assisting our researches.

from my American point of view as a frequent Marriott customer, we were
disappointed in the hotel. It did not meet our expectations; however, the
Israelis attending the meeting were quite pleased with it. As a frequent
traveler, I would have preferred to deal directly with the hotel as has been
the case at all the prior conferences which we have attended. Ortra being a
third party was not in our best interests.

Registration could have been better organized. Registration opened at 11 AM
with the first events scheduled for noon. The lines were long and there was
considerable confusion.

Another low point was trying to work at the Central Archives; although they
had anticipated and requested only a limited number of researchers at a time
and then by appointment; this did not occur. The facilities are quite
limited and the staff was overwhelmed.

Other than the above, it was a great conference and the organizing committee
deserves a great deal of praise. Furthermore, we heartily encourage travel
to Israel. We felt safer on this visit than we did on our first trip thirty
years ago. To experience and see the modern State of Israel was well worth
the time and money.

Donald W. Stein, M.D. Oro Valley, Arizona

MODERATOR NOTE: Thank you for your report on the IAJGS Jerusalem Conference.
Reports >from others who attended will be welcomed, especially as regards German
Jewish research.


s.s.Petersburg Libau to New York arriving 12th April 1907 MICHAELOVITCH family. #general

sandrabergman <sandrabergman@...>
 

My paternal Grandmother Devora Michaelovitch is shown on Line 1 of Manifest
as Dweire Michailitsch with sons Schminek or Schmuel aged 4 and Naftuly
aged 1. Deported. No mention of my Father David would would then be 5
years old. She is taking the children to her husband, his name shown as M.
Michailetz.

On page #526 she is shown as L.P.C. 2 sons in hospital. This is typed. A
handwritten notation shows David is on board.

My thanks to Roberta for leading me to this information.

I would appreciate anyone taking the time to look at this Ellis Island
Manifest.

David is not on Manifest - is he entering USA illegally.
Devora paid for tickets - is her lack of money or sons' sickness the reason
for deportation. What is my Grandfather's address? I cannot decipher it.

Would anyone have told my Grandfather his family was being deported?

With my thanks,

Sandra Bergman.

Researching Michaelovitch, Kutcher, Purcell, Moskal, Cohen, Thompson,
Bergman.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen s.s.Petersburg Libau to New York arriving 12th April 1907 MICHAELOVITCH family. #general

sandrabergman <sandrabergman@...>
 

My paternal Grandmother Devora Michaelovitch is shown on Line 1 of Manifest
as Dweire Michailitsch with sons Schminek or Schmuel aged 4 and Naftuly
aged 1. Deported. No mention of my Father David would would then be 5
years old. She is taking the children to her husband, his name shown as M.
Michailetz.

On page #526 she is shown as L.P.C. 2 sons in hospital. This is typed. A
handwritten notation shows David is on board.

My thanks to Roberta for leading me to this information.

I would appreciate anyone taking the time to look at this Ellis Island
Manifest.

David is not on Manifest - is he entering USA illegally.
Devora paid for tickets - is her lack of money or sons' sickness the reason
for deportation. What is my Grandfather's address? I cannot decipher it.

Would anyone have told my Grandfather his family was being deported?

With my thanks,

Sandra Bergman.

Researching Michaelovitch, Kutcher, Purcell, Moskal, Cohen, Thompson,
Bergman.


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Meir EISENSTADT, nephew or grandson of the SHaCH? #rabbinic

Deborah Glassman <dgg2020@...>
 

I've been asked is there any evidence one way or the other that
would clear up whether Esther Kohen who married Isaac haKohen the
father of Meir EISENSTADT the "Pnei Meor" was the sister or the
daughter of the SHACH.

I think there is. Esther the wife of Isaac haKohen was clearly
married to Isaac prior to the year their son Meir was born, 1670. He
was said to be their third child. Dat Kedoshin says that Esther was
eligible to marry in 1648 when she took refuge in Vienna from
pogroms, that she married in 1655 to Isaac Kohen a widower, that she
was the mother of Isaac Kohen's three known children, including the
famous Rabbi Meir EISENSTADT born in 1670. It further says that
this Esther was the ShaCh's sister and Isaac waited for him to
approve the marriage, and though it does not state why, presumably
because her father had been dead since 1643 and she was his ward. If
of all this info, only the years of marriage were correct, then it
would not be possible for this to be the SHaCH's daughter Esther.

We know that Esther the *daughter* of Shabatei haKohen was married
to Menahem Meinish. The question is whether she could have been
married previously or subsequently to Isaac haKohen described above.
Menahem Meinish, the son-in-law of the SHaCH published his
father-in-law's book the year his father-in-law died in 1663 and
refers to him as his father-in-law. So in 1663, Esther was married
to Menahem Meinish and could not have been married to Isaac haKohen.
Even if the name assigned to one or both of the women is wrong, the
SHaCH is not known to have had two daughters and his daughter is
accounted for in 1663.

If the age and other information in Daat Kedoshin is in any way
close to accurate, then the chronology also supports her being the
daughter of Meir haKaz rather than his son Shabatei haKohen called
the SHaCH. The woman was considered marriageable in 1648, eight
years earlier than her eventual marriage date. She was considered a
good match for a widower whose wife had died prior to 1648. If she
was 16 in 1648 then she was 38 when her son Meir EISENSTADT was born
in 1670. It is unlikely that she was too much past forty when that
child was born, so it is not likely that she was older than twenty
in 1648. If she was the younger age, 16, then she would have been
around eleven when Meir haKaz died. That would have made her born in
1631 and so just nine years younger than the SHaCH. So at the
likeliest age, she was much more likely to be the sister of an
eleven year old, than his child. If on the other hand, she was
older, closer to twenty, then while definitely the SHaCH's sister,
she would have been already fifteen at her father's death, and
marriage would have been a more likely solution than wardship.

Some writers have stated that (no source citations that I've seen)
Isaac the father of Meir EISENSTADT is the son of Jonah Nuchim, the
brother of the SHaCH. If Jonah Nuchim was born to a father who was
twenty (around 1610) and his child Isaac was born around 1630 when
Jonah Nuchim was twenty, then it is chronologically possible,
because Esther the daughter of Meir, would be a year or so younger
than her nephew. Though this would indicate that Jonah Nuchim was
Esther's half brother rather than full - mother's don't have two
children forty years apart. But if Jonah Nuchim's position is
substantiated it might suggest another reason for Isaac Kohen to
have waited six years to ask Shabatei's approval of the marriage as
per Dat Kedoshin. Marriages among First Cousins [or uncles/nieces,
etc.] were not encouraged in paternal parallel lines (the
anthropological term for when first cousins share paternal
ancestors). Jews distrusted a mechanism that would throw the
levirate system into disarray. But in this case, Isaac was a widower
and may have had children, so it would not have been a factor in
this as a second marriage. Has anybody seen a source on this claim
for Jonah Nuchim?

Can anybody suggest books authored by the principals mentioned above
or published by them that might cite fathers, fathers-in-law,
grandfathers, et al?

Deborah Glassman
Elkins Park, PA (near Philadelphia)

Researching: Avrum Dov of Khmelnik, any rabbi of Khmelnik in the
Ukraine, Abraham Isaac Solomon, Isaac Moses Perls of Brody, Abram
David Zabarska of Ostropol.


Meir EISENSTADT, nephew or grandson of the SHaCH? #rabbinic

Deborah Glassman <dgg2020@...>
 

I've been asked is there any evidence one way or the other that
would clear up whether Esther Kohen who married Isaac haKohen the
father of Meir EISENSTADT the "Pnei Meor" was the sister or the
daughter of the SHACH.

I think there is. Esther the wife of Isaac haKohen was clearly
married to Isaac prior to the year their son Meir was born, 1670. He
was said to be their third child. Dat Kedoshin says that Esther was
eligible to marry in 1648 when she took refuge in Vienna from
pogroms, that she married in 1655 to Isaac Kohen a widower, that she
was the mother of Isaac Kohen's three known children, including the
famous Rabbi Meir EISENSTADT born in 1670. It further says that
this Esther was the ShaCh's sister and Isaac waited for him to
approve the marriage, and though it does not state why, presumably
because her father had been dead since 1643 and she was his ward. If
of all this info, only the years of marriage were correct, then it
would not be possible for this to be the SHaCH's daughter Esther.

We know that Esther the *daughter* of Shabatei haKohen was married
to Menahem Meinish. The question is whether she could have been
married previously or subsequently to Isaac haKohen described above.
Menahem Meinish, the son-in-law of the SHaCH published his
father-in-law's book the year his father-in-law died in 1663 and
refers to him as his father-in-law. So in 1663, Esther was married
to Menahem Meinish and could not have been married to Isaac haKohen.
Even if the name assigned to one or both of the women is wrong, the
SHaCH is not known to have had two daughters and his daughter is
accounted for in 1663.

If the age and other information in Daat Kedoshin is in any way
close to accurate, then the chronology also supports her being the
daughter of Meir haKaz rather than his son Shabatei haKohen called
the SHaCH. The woman was considered marriageable in 1648, eight
years earlier than her eventual marriage date. She was considered a
good match for a widower whose wife had died prior to 1648. If she
was 16 in 1648 then she was 38 when her son Meir EISENSTADT was born
in 1670. It is unlikely that she was too much past forty when that
child was born, so it is not likely that she was older than twenty
in 1648. If she was the younger age, 16, then she would have been
around eleven when Meir haKaz died. That would have made her born in
1631 and so just nine years younger than the SHaCH. So at the
likeliest age, she was much more likely to be the sister of an
eleven year old, than his child. If on the other hand, she was
older, closer to twenty, then while definitely the SHaCH's sister,
she would have been already fifteen at her father's death, and
marriage would have been a more likely solution than wardship.

Some writers have stated that (no source citations that I've seen)
Isaac the father of Meir EISENSTADT is the son of Jonah Nuchim, the
brother of the SHaCH. If Jonah Nuchim was born to a father who was
twenty (around 1610) and his child Isaac was born around 1630 when
Jonah Nuchim was twenty, then it is chronologically possible,
because Esther the daughter of Meir, would be a year or so younger
than her nephew. Though this would indicate that Jonah Nuchim was
Esther's half brother rather than full - mother's don't have two
children forty years apart. But if Jonah Nuchim's position is
substantiated it might suggest another reason for Isaac Kohen to
have waited six years to ask Shabatei's approval of the marriage as
per Dat Kedoshin. Marriages among First Cousins [or uncles/nieces,
etc.] were not encouraged in paternal parallel lines (the
anthropological term for when first cousins share paternal
ancestors). Jews distrusted a mechanism that would throw the
levirate system into disarray. But in this case, Isaac was a widower
and may have had children, so it would not have been a factor in
this as a second marriage. Has anybody seen a source on this claim
for Jonah Nuchim?

Can anybody suggest books authored by the principals mentioned above
or published by them that might cite fathers, fathers-in-law,
grandfathers, et al?

Deborah Glassman
Elkins Park, PA (near Philadelphia)

Researching: Avrum Dov of Khmelnik, any rabbi of Khmelnik in the
Ukraine, Abraham Isaac Solomon, Isaac Moses Perls of Brody, Abram
David Zabarska of Ostropol.


Rabbi Mendel KUMEC of Konskie #rabbinic

Daniel Hanoch Wagner <Cpwagner@...>
 

I am looking for information about my ancestor Rabbi Mendel KUMEC of
Konskie. He might also have served in Tomaszow Mazowiecki but I have
no definite proof of that. He died in 1842 in Konskie. I don't know
where he was born and when (around 1880-1890?). There is very little
info in Otzar Harabanim about him. Any info will be most welcome.

Thank you.

Daniel

H Daniel Wagner
E-mail: daniel.wagner@...
Homepage: http://www.weizmann.ac.il/wagner/home.htm


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Rabbi Mendel KUMEC of Konskie #rabbinic

Daniel Hanoch Wagner <Cpwagner@...>
 

I am looking for information about my ancestor Rabbi Mendel KUMEC of
Konskie. He might also have served in Tomaszow Mazowiecki but I have
no definite proof of that. He died in 1842 in Konskie. I don't know
where he was born and when (around 1880-1890?). There is very little
info in Otzar Harabanim about him. Any info will be most welcome.

Thank you.

Daniel

H Daniel Wagner
E-mail: daniel.wagner@...
Homepage: http://www.weizmann.ac.il/wagner/home.htm


Re: LIPMAN #unitedkingdom

Col Choat <colc@...>
 

Hi,

I have just joined the group today. Please let me know if my inquiry is
inappropriate for this list.

I live in Sydney, Australia and am seeking ancestors who lived in London. My
great grandfather, Lewis Lipman came to Australia in 1841. I have a copy of
the death certificate of his father, Joseph Lipman who died on 16 August
1860. The registration district was Mile End Old Town., County of Middlesex.
It does not provide me with any information about other family members. I do
not know where to look further for details of his marriage (to Rachel
JOSEPH) or birth. Can anybody help?

Thanks you.

Col Choat
Sydney, Australia.

P.S. The following was inserted in a Sydney newspaper at the time of Joseph
Lipman's death.

"on 16/8/1860 Milend Rd, London Mr Joseph Lipman beloved father of Lewis
Lipman. 85 years"


JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom Re: LIPMAN #unitedkingdom

Col Choat <colc@...>
 

Hi,

I have just joined the group today. Please let me know if my inquiry is
inappropriate for this list.

I live in Sydney, Australia and am seeking ancestors who lived in London. My
great grandfather, Lewis Lipman came to Australia in 1841. I have a copy of
the death certificate of his father, Joseph Lipman who died on 16 August
1860. The registration district was Mile End Old Town., County of Middlesex.
It does not provide me with any information about other family members. I do
not know where to look further for details of his marriage (to Rachel
JOSEPH) or birth. Can anybody help?

Thanks you.

Col Choat
Sydney, Australia.

P.S. The following was inserted in a Sydney newspaper at the time of Joseph
Lipman's death.

"on 16/8/1860 Milend Rd, London Mr Joseph Lipman beloved father of Lewis
Lipman. 85 years"


Tombstone from Vienna #general

JELORRAINE
 

I am publically thanking my jewishgen friend >from Vienna for going to Central
Cemetery and photographing my husbands maternal grandmothers tombstone. I am
not mentioning her name I don't know whether she would want it made public.
Thank you, thank,you as I said It gave me a thrill and a chill to see the
tombstone of my husbands grandmother Lea Goliger.

Jewel Glatzer
Jelorraine@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Tombstone from Vienna #general

JELORRAINE
 

I am publically thanking my jewishgen friend >from Vienna for going to Central
Cemetery and photographing my husbands maternal grandmothers tombstone. I am
not mentioning her name I don't know whether she would want it made public.
Thank you, thank,you as I said It gave me a thrill and a chill to see the
tombstone of my husbands grandmother Lea Goliger.

Jewel Glatzer
Jelorraine@...


question re: Beile and SS Kensington #general

Albert Singer <al2chris@...>
 

1,I had always known my grandmother as Ida or Chia (her jewish name) but she
shows up on the census as Beile. Is this the russian or belarus
equivallent?

2. Can anybody tell me how to get information of ships coming into Boston
from Rotterdam during Jan to March 1897 specifically the SS Kensington and
how I might get the passenger manefest. I believe my gf came in then

a.singer
schenectady ny


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen question re: Beile and SS Kensington #general

Albert Singer <al2chris@...>
 

1,I had always known my grandmother as Ida or Chia (her jewish name) but she
shows up on the census as Beile. Is this the russian or belarus
equivallent?

2. Can anybody tell me how to get information of ships coming into Boston
from Rotterdam during Jan to March 1897 specifically the SS Kensington and
how I might get the passenger manefest. I believe my gf came in then

a.singer
schenectady ny


Complete New York Birth Record #general

Irwin B. Margiloff <margiloff@...>
 

My overenergetic editing caused me to drop the URLs of several New York City
web sites that my previous posting should have kept. I apologize to all who
have pointed this out, or who have thought they should. The URLs are:

New York City Department of Records and Information Services:
http://www.nyc.gov/html/records

New York City Department of Health vital records:
http://www.nyc.gov/html/doh/html/vr/vr.html

Credit Card Ordering of records:
www.vitalchek.com or you may call (212)788-4500

Irwin Margiloff
Duarte, California


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Complete New York Birth Record #general

Irwin B. Margiloff <margiloff@...>
 

My overenergetic editing caused me to drop the URLs of several New York City
web sites that my previous posting should have kept. I apologize to all who
have pointed this out, or who have thought they should. The URLs are:

New York City Department of Records and Information Services:
http://www.nyc.gov/html/records

New York City Department of Health vital records:
http://www.nyc.gov/html/doh/html/vr/vr.html

Credit Card Ordering of records:
www.vitalchek.com or you may call (212)788-4500

Irwin Margiloff
Duarte, California


Re: typical house in a shtetl #general

krippens <krippens@...>
 

In 1967 I visited a peasant home near the border of (now) Southern
Russia and Romania. It was a simple wooden structure, perhaps stuccoed
on the outside. The inner walls were wooden. A large brick fireplace
took up most of one wall in the main room, which served as kitchen,
eating room, and sleeping room. It held a planked wooden table, large
enough to seat 10, benches running it's length on either side, and a
chair at each end. Benches lining the walls were used for sleeping. A
single high shelf ran around the room, holding icons in one corner, an
old photo or two, and a few decorations made of braided wheat and
garlic. The adjacent room was for animals and storage for farm tools,
hay and other feed.

A wedding had just taken place. The bride and groom drove away in a
wooden cart pulled by donkeys, in peasant costume, the groom with a
pillow hanging >from his belt in back. A second cart held the band and
their instruments. Food was served on the table in several large bowls,
and each place was set with a bowl, a spoon or a fork, and a glass for
vodka. The homemade vodka was incredibly strong.

There was no running water or electricity, no motor vehicles, none of
the comforts of modern life. They lived much as our ancestors would have
lived, by their own labor, close to the earth, and very simply.

Thanks for dredging up this memory! :

Karen Jo Rippens


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: typical house in a shtetl #general

krippens <krippens@...>
 

In 1967 I visited a peasant home near the border of (now) Southern
Russia and Romania. It was a simple wooden structure, perhaps stuccoed
on the outside. The inner walls were wooden. A large brick fireplace
took up most of one wall in the main room, which served as kitchen,
eating room, and sleeping room. It held a planked wooden table, large
enough to seat 10, benches running it's length on either side, and a
chair at each end. Benches lining the walls were used for sleeping. A
single high shelf ran around the room, holding icons in one corner, an
old photo or two, and a few decorations made of braided wheat and
garlic. The adjacent room was for animals and storage for farm tools,
hay and other feed.

A wedding had just taken place. The bride and groom drove away in a
wooden cart pulled by donkeys, in peasant costume, the groom with a
pillow hanging >from his belt in back. A second cart held the band and
their instruments. Food was served on the table in several large bowls,
and each place was set with a bowl, a spoon or a fork, and a glass for
vodka. The homemade vodka was incredibly strong.

There was no running water or electricity, no motor vehicles, none of
the comforts of modern life. They lived much as our ancestors would have
lived, by their own labor, close to the earth, and very simply.

Thanks for dredging up this memory! :

Karen Jo Rippens


Re: Jews at The Alamo #general

Ida & Joseph Schwarcz <idayosef@...>
 

The best place for research of this kind is the Jacob Rader Marcus American
Jewish Archives, 3101 Clifton Avenue, Cincinnati Ohio, 45220.
Ida

Dr. Joseph M. Schwarcz
Dr. Ida Selavan Schwarcz
Arad, Israel


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: Jews at The Alamo #general

Ida & Joseph Schwarcz <idayosef@...>
 

The best place for research of this kind is the Jacob Rader Marcus American
Jewish Archives, 3101 Clifton Avenue, Cincinnati Ohio, 45220.
Ida

Dr. Joseph M. Schwarcz
Dr. Ida Selavan Schwarcz
Arad, Israel