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Re: interim residences before leaving for the US, etc.
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Ida & Joseph Schwarcz
My parents were refugees in Kishinev, Bessarabia, then Romania, 1919-1923.
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My father's siblings were there too, and left for the US shortly before my parents left. They are listed as coming >from Bucharest! My parents left from Costanza but on their manifest it lists their home towns in Ukraine. So a lot depends on who filled out the forms, how the questions were asked, and how much the respondents wanted to reveal. Ida Selavan Selavan Arad, Israel Dr. Joseph M. Schwarcz Dr. Ida Selavan Schwarcz Tappuah 7/3, Arad IL-89053, Israel -----Original Message-----
From: Evan Fishman [mailto:ebf2001@...] Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 9:08 PM Genners, Thanks to all who responded to my query about the correct transcription of a town listed on a manifest. Most replies suggested Lipkany, (Moldova) as the correct rendition. >snip< ... I wonder if many Jews took up residence briefly in locations other than their actual shtetlach of origin before departing for the US or other countries. |
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Ukraine SIG #Ukraine RE: interim residences before leaving for the US, etc.
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Ida & Joseph Schwarcz
My parents were refugees in Kishinev, Bessarabia, then Romania, 1919-1923.
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My father's siblings were there too, and left for the US shortly before my parents left. They are listed as coming >from Bucharest! My parents left from Costanza but on their manifest it lists their home towns in Ukraine. So a lot depends on who filled out the forms, how the questions were asked, and how much the respondents wanted to reveal. Ida Selavan Selavan Arad, Israel Dr. Joseph M. Schwarcz Dr. Ida Selavan Schwarcz Tappuah 7/3, Arad IL-89053, Israel -----Original Message-----
From: Evan Fishman [mailto:ebf2001@...] Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 9:08 PM Genners, Thanks to all who responded to my query about the correct transcription of a town listed on a manifest. Most replies suggested Lipkany, (Moldova) as the correct rendition. >snip< ... I wonder if many Jews took up residence briefly in locations other than their actual shtetlach of origin before departing for the US or other countries. |
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interim residences before leaving for the US, etc RE:
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Tamar Dothan <dothan-t@...>
In reply o Evan Fishman:
One more reason to leave one's town was to escape pogroms. Knowing the period of immigration would help you determine if that could have been your family's reason for leaving. About a month ago I was given a letter my grandfather had written in 1922 from Chortkov, a town I never knew he had lived in. He describes it as an"interim residence" for many Jewish refugees including his own family, and refers to their place of origin as "eretz hadamim" ="bloody country". It seems he first took his family out of Dunayevtze, in Podolia, their home town, to escape danger. It took him several more months in Chortkov to make all the arrangments for further travel . Sincerely, Tamar Dothan Jerusalem, Israel Looking for: EDELMAN ->from Keidan and Kraziai; SROELOV- >from Keidan, Siaulenai and USA; SMILG->from Keidan; LEVIN->from Keidan and Paris; YOSEPOV and LUTZKY ->from Zhvanetz; LERNER->from Dunayevtze, Minkovtsy, Kitaigorod and Tiraspol; LISSIN->from Dunayevtze. |
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Ukraine SIG #Ukraine interim residences before leaving for the US, etc RE:
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Tamar Dothan <dothan-t@...>
In reply o Evan Fishman:
One more reason to leave one's town was to escape pogroms. Knowing the period of immigration would help you determine if that could have been your family's reason for leaving. About a month ago I was given a letter my grandfather had written in 1922 from Chortkov, a town I never knew he had lived in. He describes it as an"interim residence" for many Jewish refugees including his own family, and refers to their place of origin as "eretz hadamim" ="bloody country". It seems he first took his family out of Dunayevtze, in Podolia, their home town, to escape danger. It took him several more months in Chortkov to make all the arrangments for further travel . Sincerely, Tamar Dothan Jerusalem, Israel Looking for: EDELMAN ->from Keidan and Kraziai; SROELOV- >from Keidan, Siaulenai and USA; SMILG->from Keidan; LEVIN->from Keidan and Paris; YOSEPOV and LUTZKY ->from Zhvanetz; LERNER->from Dunayevtze, Minkovtsy, Kitaigorod and Tiraspol; LISSIN->from Dunayevtze. |
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Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re: interim residences before leaving for the US, etc.
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Michelle Frager <lulu_brooks@...>
Dear Evan Fishman et al:
In my family and research experience, people didn't necessarily go directly >from the shtetl to the boat without a break in the journey, sometimes of months. Reasons often included the need for additional funds, temporary or mild illness, or the need for further travel arrangements to the sailing point. People stayed with relatives or other connections -- my father and aunt lived with an aunt in Romania for two or three months on their way to German ports, where they lived in Germany for several weeks and claimed to be residents of Budapest, not Podolian. A great uncle stayed a while in London, so his US arrival manifest could lead someone to think him a resident Brit, unless they looked closely. Lots of people stayed in the emigrant settlements built by the shipping interests, Hamburg, I believe being the major example of this. You can read and see photos of this at the Hamburg lists site. And if they were fearful and could manage the deception, some simply lied about their hometown in fear of being found by authorities -- in many cases they were essentially the illegal immigrants of the era. Michelle Frager NY area http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/snitkov/ShtetLinksSnitkov_Index.htm = TREIGER (FRAGER) SIROTA ZEKTSER SIBELBERG (sic) BRONSHTEIN in Ukraine, Bessarabia, Romania = FRAKT WOLFSON LIFSCHITZ KLAVIR in Belarus, Lithuania --- Evan Fishman <ebf2001@...> wrote:> --- 9/1/04over 100 miles >from Starokonstantinov (Ukraine), the place I've heretofore believed to be my ancestral home town, I wonder if many Jews took up residence briefly in locations other than their actual shtetlach of origin before departing for the US or other countries.<snip>... |
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Re: interim residences before leaving for the US, etc.
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Michelle Frager <lulu_brooks@...>
Dear Evan Fishman et al:
In my family and research experience, people didn't necessarily go directly >from the shtetl to the boat without a break in the journey, sometimes of months. Reasons often included the need for additional funds, temporary or mild illness, or the need for further travel arrangements to the sailing point. People stayed with relatives or other connections -- my father and aunt lived with an aunt in Romania for two or three months on their way to German ports, where they lived in Germany for several weeks and claimed to be residents of Budapest, not Podolian. A great uncle stayed a while in London, so his US arrival manifest could lead someone to think him a resident Brit, unless they looked closely. Lots of people stayed in the emigrant settlements built by the shipping interests, Hamburg, I believe being the major example of this. You can read and see photos of this at the Hamburg lists site. And if they were fearful and could manage the deception, some simply lied about their hometown in fear of being found by authorities -- in many cases they were essentially the illegal immigrants of the era. Michelle Frager NY area http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/snitkov/ShtetLinksSnitkov_Index.htm = TREIGER (FRAGER) SIROTA ZEKTSER SIBELBERG (sic) BRONSHTEIN in Ukraine, Bessarabia, Romania = FRAKT WOLFSON LIFSCHITZ KLAVIR in Belarus, Lithuania --- Evan Fishman <ebf2001@...> wrote:> --- 9/1/04over 100 miles >from Starokonstantinov (Ukraine), the place I've heretofore believed to be my ancestral home town, I wonder if many Jews took up residence briefly in locations other than their actual shtetlach of origin before departing for the US or other countries.<snip>... |
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Re: Russian Jews - immigration and emigration lists from the 1880s
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Ida & Joseph Schwarcz
Fascinating. Since I have cataracts I cannot volunteer to read >from the
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microfilms. I know that my late in-laws (first marriage) made aliya from Brody in 1923. Brody was an important center for emigration. Berl Stock (later Professor Dov Sadan) met my father-in-law there. I would be interested in helping in any way that does not require reading microfilms. Ida Selavan Schwarcz Arad, Israel Dr. Joseph M. Schwarcz Dr. Ida Selavan Schwarcz Israel -----Original Message-----
From: Ukraine Moderating Team [mailto:Ukraine Moderating Team] Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2004 9:56 AM Genners: Suzan Wynne has graciously given us permission to reprint her letter to the Gesher-GaliciaSig Digest because it is relevant to the Ukraine. If anyone woud like to volunteer for this project please let us know so that we may let Suzan know. Hinda Solomon, Rishon LeZion Israel, (hinda_s@...)brought it to our attention and would like to know approximately how many entries there are and if they are easy to read. Subject: Brody From: "Suzan & Ron Wynne" <srwynne@...> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 While in Jerusalem at last month's Jewish Genealogy conference, I spent a lot of time at the Central Archives for the History of the Jewish People. I requested a microfilm that had had some promising material for one of my towns and noted that most of the film had information about Brody, which is not of personal interest. So, I was quickly scrolling through, but, then, my eye caught a form with columns. Hmmm. I stopped scrolling and saw that I was looking at emigration lists. This film and several more had images of immigration and emigration lists >from the 1880s. While the vast majority of those listed were Russian Jews fleeing from pogroms and being moved on to Vienna, there were Brody residents among those listed. The material cries out to be indexed. The indexing will have to be done in Israel at the Central Archives because efforts to have the microfilms reproduced and sent to the US have been rejected for the moment. Permission would have to be granted >from officials at the archives in Lviv and there is some political sensitivity involved. Are there any Israelis interested in taking on this indexing project? Suzan Wynne Kensington, MD |
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Ukraine SIG #Ukraine RE: Russian Jews - immigration and emigration lists from the 1880s
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Ida & Joseph Schwarcz
Fascinating. Since I have cataracts I cannot volunteer to read >from the
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microfilms. I know that my late in-laws (first marriage) made aliya from Brody in 1923. Brody was an important center for emigration. Berl Stock (later Professor Dov Sadan) met my father-in-law there. I would be interested in helping in any way that does not require reading microfilms. Ida Selavan Schwarcz Arad, Israel Dr. Joseph M. Schwarcz Dr. Ida Selavan Schwarcz Israel -----Original Message-----
From: Ukraine Moderating Team [mailto:Ukraine Moderating Team] Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2004 9:56 AM Genners: Suzan Wynne has graciously given us permission to reprint her letter to the Gesher-GaliciaSig Digest because it is relevant to the Ukraine. If anyone woud like to volunteer for this project please let us know so that we may let Suzan know. Hinda Solomon, Rishon LeZion Israel, (hinda_s@...)brought it to our attention and would like to know approximately how many entries there are and if they are easy to read. Subject: Brody From: "Suzan & Ron Wynne" <srwynne@...> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 While in Jerusalem at last month's Jewish Genealogy conference, I spent a lot of time at the Central Archives for the History of the Jewish People. I requested a microfilm that had had some promising material for one of my towns and noted that most of the film had information about Brody, which is not of personal interest. So, I was quickly scrolling through, but, then, my eye caught a form with columns. Hmmm. I stopped scrolling and saw that I was looking at emigration lists. This film and several more had images of immigration and emigration lists >from the 1880s. While the vast majority of those listed were Russian Jews fleeing from pogroms and being moved on to Vienna, there were Brody residents among those listed. The material cries out to be indexed. The indexing will have to be done in Israel at the Central Archives because efforts to have the microfilms reproduced and sent to the US have been rejected for the moment. Permission would have to be granted >from officials at the archives in Lviv and there is some political sensitivity involved. Are there any Israelis interested in taking on this indexing project? Suzan Wynne Kensington, MD |
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Searching descendants MERMELSTEIN
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Deborah Sterling
I am assisting a Holocaust survivor who would like to find her relatives,
descendants of Edmond and Matilda MERMELSTEIN. Matilda's maiden name was KRAMER. and the descendants of Jerry KRAMER. The descendants, if still living, could be between 50-60''s in age. Looking for the following people: 1) Judy Mermelstein, 2) Debbie Mermelstein, 3) Charley Mermelstein, 4) Susan Kramer, and 5) Micky Kramer . If anyone has any information, I will reply with more details to see if it is possible it is the correct person. thanks, Deborah dls18@... |
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Searching descendants MERMELSTEIN
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Deborah Sterling
I am assisting a Holocaust survivor who would like to find her relatives,
descendants of Edmond and Matilda MERMELSTEIN. Matilda's maiden name was KRAMER. and the descendants of Jerry KRAMER. The descendants, if still living, could be between 50-60''s in age. Looking for the following people: 1) Judy Mermelstein, 2) Debbie Mermelstein, 3) Charley Mermelstein, 4) Susan Kramer, and 5) Micky Kramer . If anyone has any information, I will reply with more details to see if it is possible it is the correct person. thanks, Deborah dls18@... |
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A Mitzvah for the New Year! -- Seeking Bella ROGERS nee SPEIER
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Flo Elman
Dear Fellow Members,
A friend's mother, Mildred Greenspoon (in her 80s), is a Holocaust survivor, & would desperately like to locate the woman who saved her life in those dire years. Mildred is now living in Toronto. The woman's name was Bella Speier; her married name was Rogers. They were marched together >from Shtutoff (not sure of spelling). My friend's mother does not know where Bella was before that as they met in Shtutoff. Bella went somewhere in Australia after liberation. It was Bella who hid Mildred in a hay wagon when she became too ill to walk. That is where the Russians found her. She still has vivid memories of the soldier who carried her out of the barn, and the tears rolling down his face; the gentle way he handled her. from what she told me, Bella & her husband were subsequently divorced. Ifyou have any further information about this lady, or her family, please contact me privately at haflo@... . What a mitzvah this would be if we could reunite them by Rosh Hashonah. L'shana tova to all of you. Sincerely, Florence Elman Calgary, Canada haflo@... |
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LEIDE(R)SDORF(F), Germany & Denmark & Sweden
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Elsebeth Paikin
I am looking for information about
LEIDERSDORFFS (various spellings). I have a goldsmith Ulrich LEIDERSDORFF (in the census 1845 spelled LEIDERSSTORFF!) born 1803 in Sweden (Stockholm) married to Magdalene NORDENMANN / NORDEMANN born 1804 in Sweden (Skaane) (I presume they were married around 1828 - probably in Sweden!?) They moved to Denmark as we find: a daughter Laura born in 1828 in Copenhagen County, and a son christened in Bronshoj, Copenhagen, named Aksel Valdemar, born in 1831. I presume that Ulrich to be of Jewish heritage but maybe he converted in Sweden? I don't know anything about Magdalene. However, the family legend has it that Ulrich was a son of a Jewish banker >from Hamburg around 1800 by the name of Nathan, and it is said that this banker lent money to the Swedish king Gustav IV.... In Denmark there are four LEIDERSDORFFs buried in the Old Jewish Cemetery: Aron Moses Leidesdorf (d. 1747) Elchana Leidesdorf, child (d. 1744) David Samuel Leidesdorf, >from Altona (d. 1793) Moses Nathan Leidesdorf, >from Stockholm (d. 1826) The latter Moses Nathan LEIDESDORF is noted to be ">from Stockholm". I don't know where that information comes from. He was 72 years old, when he died, so he must have been born around 1754. I hope someone can help me with information about LEIDERSDORFFs and a bankier by the name of Nathan or NATHAN in Hamburg. Best regards ------------------------------------------------------- Elsebeth Paikin, Copenhagen, Denmark Coordinator & webmaster of JewishGen's SCANDINAVIA SIG http://www.jewishgen.org/scandinavia http://home.worldonline.dk/~epaikin/ mailto:elsebeth@... -------------------------------------------------------=20 |
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen A Mitzvah for the New Year! -- Seeking Bella ROGERS nee SPEIER
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Flo Elman
Dear Fellow Members,
A friend's mother, Mildred Greenspoon (in her 80s), is a Holocaust survivor, & would desperately like to locate the woman who saved her life in those dire years. Mildred is now living in Toronto. The woman's name was Bella Speier; her married name was Rogers. They were marched together >from Shtutoff (not sure of spelling). My friend's mother does not know where Bella was before that as they met in Shtutoff. Bella went somewhere in Australia after liberation. It was Bella who hid Mildred in a hay wagon when she became too ill to walk. That is where the Russians found her. She still has vivid memories of the soldier who carried her out of the barn, and the tears rolling down his face; the gentle way he handled her. from what she told me, Bella & her husband were subsequently divorced. Ifyou have any further information about this lady, or her family, please contact me privately at haflo@... . What a mitzvah this would be if we could reunite them by Rosh Hashonah. L'shana tova to all of you. Sincerely, Florence Elman Calgary, Canada haflo@... |
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Scandinavia SIG #Scandinavia LEIDE(R)SDORF(F), Germany & Denmark & Sweden
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Elsebeth Paikin
I am looking for information about
LEIDERSDORFFS (various spellings). I have a goldsmith Ulrich LEIDERSDORFF (in the census 1845 spelled LEIDERSSTORFF!) born 1803 in Sweden (Stockholm) married to Magdalene NORDENMANN / NORDEMANN born 1804 in Sweden (Skaane) (I presume they were married around 1828 - probably in Sweden!?) They moved to Denmark as we find: a daughter Laura born in 1828 in Copenhagen County, and a son christened in Bronshoj, Copenhagen, named Aksel Valdemar, born in 1831. I presume that Ulrich to be of Jewish heritage but maybe he converted in Sweden? I don't know anything about Magdalene. However, the family legend has it that Ulrich was a son of a Jewish banker >from Hamburg around 1800 by the name of Nathan, and it is said that this banker lent money to the Swedish king Gustav IV.... In Denmark there are four LEIDERSDORFFs buried in the Old Jewish Cemetery: Aron Moses Leidesdorf (d. 1747) Elchana Leidesdorf, child (d. 1744) David Samuel Leidesdorf, >from Altona (d. 1793) Moses Nathan Leidesdorf, >from Stockholm (d. 1826) The latter Moses Nathan LEIDESDORF is noted to be ">from Stockholm". I don't know where that information comes from. He was 72 years old, when he died, so he must have been born around 1754. I hope someone can help me with information about LEIDERSDORFFs and a bankier by the name of Nathan or NATHAN in Hamburg. Best regards ------------------------------------------------------- Elsebeth Paikin, Copenhagen, Denmark Coordinator & webmaster of JewishGen's SCANDINAVIA SIG http://www.jewishgen.org/scandinavia http://home.worldonline.dk/~epaikin/ mailto:elsebeth@... -------------------------------------------------------=20 |
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FTM help needed
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Trudy Barch
Hello everyone,
I am looking for someone that is very familiar with Family Tree Maker program to answer some questions for me. Please reply privately. Thank you. Trudy Barch Illinois |
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Family Reunion planning
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DebWE308@...
Dear Genners,
After 24 years of researching, I have decided to make a family reunion. I am looking for advice as to how to plan it. I am only doing my maternal side, but should I invite everyone on my family tree even people who are so distant? Any comments and suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Debbie Wang Etzion Great Neck, NY SCHECHTER >from Tyvrov, Ukaine NIKIPROVETSKY >from Nikiforovci, Ukraine SALTZMAN form Pinsk |
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Family Reunion planning
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DebWE308@...
Dear Genners,
After 24 years of researching, I have decided to make a family reunion. I am looking for advice as to how to plan it. I am only doing my maternal side, but should I invite everyone on my family tree even people who are so distant? Any comments and suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Debbie Wang Etzion Great Neck, NY SCHECHTER >from Tyvrov, Ukaine NIKIPROVETSKY >from Nikiforovci, Ukraine SALTZMAN form Pinsk |
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen FTM help needed
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Trudy Barch
Hello everyone,
I am looking for someone that is very familiar with Family Tree Maker program to answer some questions for me. Please reply privately. Thank you. Trudy Barch Illinois |
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Re: LDS Family History Centers
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Alan D Glick <aglick1@...>
Thanks to all for the public and private responses to my concern. The
gist of the responses I've received make it clear that LDS centers do *not* require any family info >from individuals using their resourses. To make my situation clearer I should state that the center where I went to was closing before I had a chance to fill out the forms I was handed, so I just took them home with me. I was just wondering why they had handed me the forms, and I didn't mean to imply that they required me to supply them with the information. I just didn't know what they were for, and wanted to ask those with experience before I headed back there. Thanks to the replies I received here, I'll be going back to the center without the worries I'd had before. Alan Glick Valrico, FL GLICK, GLUCK, GLUCH, SLOWENCINSKI - Dvinsk, Daugavpils. POLOTNICK - Novaya Ushitsa. ALSTEIN, ALEFRAIND - Zelechow. KOSOFSKY, WOHMAN - Wishigrod. |
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Citizenship Question
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Robin Joffe <jofferobin@...>
Citizenship Question:
If someone Jewish was born in Leibow (now Leipaja) in Latvia in 1891 and left for USA in 1908 and never became a USA citizen what would their nationality be (passport) Latvian or Russian or German????? Thanks Robin Joffe |
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