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Dear members,

Sonia Nayle wrote that "Bruno KREBS listed his address
as Munich, Auessere Prinzregenstr. 20,
Germany. The card says. "b. Zweigenhaft. I have not
been able to locate where Zweigenhaft is."

I believe in this case "ZWEIGENHAFT" is a person's
surname, someone whom Bruno KREBS was staying with.
If you do an Internet search, you will find several
listings for the surname ZWEIGENHAFT. Hope this helps!

Elizabeth Jackson Tennessee, USA

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Dear members,

Sonia Nayle wrote that "Bruno KREBS listed his address
as Munich, Auessere Prinzregenstr. 20,
Germany. The card says. "b. Zweigenhaft. I have not
been able to locate where Zweigenhaft is."

I believe in this case "ZWEIGENHAFT" is a person's
surname, someone whom Bruno KREBS was staying with.
If you do an Internet search, you will find several
listings for the surname ZWEIGENHAFT. Hope this helps!

Elizabeth Jackson Tennessee, USA

Re: SITE CITE Re: Visits to former hometowns

The link that was posted (in GERSIG Digest for Friday, August 06, 2004) to
the official web page of the City of Frankfurt was broken (extra spaces).
The following is correct:

http://www.frankfurt.de/sis/English.php?_navi=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.frankfurt.de%
2Fsis%2Fsis%2Flist.php%3Fpage%3D07_nav_seite&_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.frankfurt
.de%2Fsis%2Fsis%2Fdetail.php%3Fid%3D78048%26_reload%3D1

Frank Hammelbacher in Jamaica Estates, NY

Re: SITE CITE Re: Visits to former hometowns

The link that was posted (in GERSIG Digest for Friday, August 06, 2004) to
the official web page of the City of Frankfurt was broken (extra spaces).
The following is correct:

http://www.frankfurt.de/sis/English.php?_navi=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.frankfurt.de%
2Fsis%2Fsis%2Flist.php%3Fpage%3D07_nav_seite&_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.frankfurt
.de%2Fsis%2Fsis%2Fdetail.php%3Fid%3D78048%26_reload%3D1

Frank Hammelbacher in Jamaica Estates, NY

Dear GerSig-ers
I found the first messages on this topic when checking for my e-mail
messages in the hotel in Hamburg, Germany while on a "Refugee visit to
my German home town"!!!

I am now back home. On the whole, the visit was fabulous!!! The city
had a very nice and appropriate program for us. There were several
periods of "free time". During that time I took care of various errands
and did some sight seeing , including visits to my previous home and
school (I managed to see both >from the inside). I met several people
who knew my family, etc.

After the program I stayed to visit the city archives and saw many
family records and I stayed at the archives to attend a meeting of the
Hamburg Scociety for Jewish Genealogy.

The organizer of the program was Mrs. Carola Meinhardt. Her e-mail
address is Carola.Meinhardt@...

Hans H. Nord Newtown, PA <hhnord@...>

Dear GerSig-ers
I found the first messages on this topic when checking for my e-mail
messages in the hotel in Hamburg, Germany while on a "Refugee visit to
my German home town"!!!

I am now back home. On the whole, the visit was fabulous!!! The city
had a very nice and appropriate program for us. There were several
periods of "free time". During that time I took care of various errands
and did some sight seeing , including visits to my previous home and
school (I managed to see both >from the inside). I met several people
who knew my family, etc.

After the program I stayed to visit the city archives and saw many
family records and I stayed at the archives to attend a meeting of the
Hamburg Scociety for Jewish Genealogy.

The organizer of the program was Mrs. Carola Meinhardt. Her e-mail
address is Carola.Meinhardt@...

Hans H. Nord Newtown, PA <hhnord@...>

In a message dated 8/7/04 8:28:15 AM, Rose Feldman (rosef@...)
writes:

<< My father is >from the GITNER family of Litin. I know there are Gitner's in
Chmil'nyk.
But on the Ellis Island DB there is a Joseph GITNER - a butcher (my great
grandfather and one of his sons were butchers - "shochet" , who is listed as
coming >from Smirinka Russia. I can't find it on google. I am guessing that
the "ka" at the end means it is a smaller place.
Joseph came in 1909 and his daughter joined him in 1922. At that time Joseph
was living in Birmingham Alabama.>>

Perhaps Rose has forgotten that she inquired about Smirinka before, in early
March, 2002. Back then, after I viewed her relative's ship manifest where the
town's name is indeed spelled as "Smirinka" I wrote to her and to this group
suggesting that the town's name was probably "Zhmerinka" which is south of
Kiev and southwest of Vinnitsa in the province of Podolia.

Now I add that "Where We Once Walked" says that Zhmerinka, also spelled as
"Zmerinka" and "Schmerinka" had a pre-war Jewish population of 4,380. Its map
coordinates are 48'01/28'06.

Also, at:

http://www.jewishroute.kiev.ua/p/zhmerinka.html

Rose can read a little history of Zhmerinka and view three photographs
showing different views.

Postcards of the town are availble at a price according to at least two
websites.

More information about Zhmerinka, taken >from the Encyclopedia Judaica, about
the life and fate of its Jews can be read at:

http://motlc.wiesenthal.com/pages/t087/t08739.html

Another website says that in March, 1918 WWI the 25th Army Corps of
Austro-Hungarian army had its command at Zhmerinka which stayed there "until the end"
when its troops revolted.

Still another website, (this one for some Christian evangelists) says that
Zhmerinka where they held a "tent meeting" is about a four hours drive >from
Kiev.

Of course, I could still be wrong in believing that Rose's Smirinka is really
Zhmerinka!

Naomi Fatouros (nee FELDMAN)
Bloomington, Indiana
NFatouros@...
BELKOWSKY,BIELKOWSKY, BILKOWSKI, Odessa,St. Petersburg,Berdichev,
Kiev;ROTHSTEIN, Kremenchug;FRASCH,Kiev;LIBERMAN,Moscow;FELDMAN, Pinsk;
SCHUTZ, RETTIG, WAHL, Shcherets;LEVY, WEIL, Mulhouse; SAS/SASS,Podwolochisk;
RAPOPORT, Tarnopol, Podwolochisk, RADOMYSL?; BEHAM, Salok, Kharkov;
WOLPIANSKY, Ostryna.

In a message dated 8/7/04 8:28:15 AM, Rose Feldman (rosef@...)
writes:

<< My father is >from the GITNER family of Litin. I know there are Gitner's in
Chmil'nyk.
But on the Ellis Island DB there is a Joseph GITNER - a butcher (my great
grandfather and one of his sons were butchers - "shochet" , who is listed as
coming >from Smirinka Russia. I can't find it on google. I am guessing that
the "ka" at the end means it is a smaller place.
Joseph came in 1909 and his daughter joined him in 1922. At that time Joseph
was living in Birmingham Alabama.>>

Perhaps Rose has forgotten that she inquired about Smirinka before, in early
March, 2002. Back then, after I viewed her relative's ship manifest where the
town's name is indeed spelled as "Smirinka" I wrote to her and to this group
suggesting that the town's name was probably "Zhmerinka" which is south of
Kiev and southwest of Vinnitsa in the province of Podolia.

Now I add that "Where We Once Walked" says that Zhmerinka, also spelled as
"Zmerinka" and "Schmerinka" had a pre-war Jewish population of 4,380. Its map
coordinates are 48'01/28'06.

Also, at:

http://www.jewishroute.kiev.ua/p/zhmerinka.html

Rose can read a little history of Zhmerinka and view three photographs
showing different views.

Postcards of the town are availble at a price according to at least two
websites.

More information about Zhmerinka, taken >from the Encyclopedia Judaica, about
the life and fate of its Jews can be read at:

http://motlc.wiesenthal.com/pages/t087/t08739.html

Another website says that in March, 1918 WWI the 25th Army Corps of
Austro-Hungarian army had its command at Zhmerinka which stayed there "until the end"
when its troops revolted.

Still another website, (this one for some Christian evangelists) says that
Zhmerinka where they held a "tent meeting" is about a four hours drive >from
Kiev.

Of course, I could still be wrong in believing that Rose's Smirinka is really
Zhmerinka!

Naomi Fatouros (nee FELDMAN)
Bloomington, Indiana
NFatouros@...
BELKOWSKY,BIELKOWSKY, BILKOWSKI, Odessa,St. Petersburg,Berdichev,
Kiev;ROTHSTEIN, Kremenchug;FRASCH,Kiev;LIBERMAN,Moscow;FELDMAN, Pinsk;
SCHUTZ, RETTIG, WAHL, Shcherets;LEVY, WEIL, Mulhouse; SAS/SASS,Podwolochisk;
RAPOPORT, Tarnopol, Podwolochisk, RADOMYSL?; BEHAM, Salok, Kharkov;
WOLPIANSKY, Ostryna.

Dear Fellow Genners,

I've noticed >from various JewishGen digests & databases that many of you are
researching the surname LANDA, just as I am. In fact I may have contacted
some in the past regarding any possible relationships. Now I'd like to
bring that research into the 21st century by forming an FTDNA LANDA surname
project. I am submitting this message to several digests, as well as the
DNA one, so as to inform as many as possible about the formation of this
project.

My husband & I have science backgrounds, and have been very interested in
the potential uses of DNA. Thus, we were very excited when in 2000,
JewishGen joined with FTDNA to use DNA testing for genealogical purposes.
We, and a male cousin on my mother's side, were among the first to do the
tests. In just over 4 years, almost 24,000 test kits have been processed, &
over 1,000 surname projects formed. If you are not familiar with using DNA
testing for genealogy, or want more information about it, go to FTDNA's
website: http://www.familytreedna.com

We have been extremely pleased with the results of our use of DNA testing.
It has helped us validate some relationships, and disprove others. And a
male member of a family of whom I had no previous knowledge, matched my
cousin's Y-DNA 37 markers exactly, thereby confirming that we had a common
ancestor within about the last 100 years. We believe our great-grandfathers
may have been brothers.

My 93 year-old father, ISADORE LANDE, decided to do the DNA test in the
event that after he is gone, we might find some family related to him. But
the greatest gift I could give him would be to do so while he is still
alive. By forming an FTDNA LANDA surname project, even if you & I don't
have a fairly recent common ancestor, you may connect with someone else in
the group.

I am willing to coordinate the project, and would get all pertinent
information >from FTDNA. I believe the Y-DNA test is cheaper through a
project than if it is done individually. If you are, or have a direct male
LANDA descendant, and are interested in joining the project, please respond
privately to pmlewis@....

Looking forward to hearing >from you,
Myrna Lande Lewis
Suffern, NY USA
MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please reply privately.

Dear Fellow Genners,

I've noticed >from various JewishGen digests & databases that many of you are
researching the surname LANDA, just as I am. In fact I may have contacted
some in the past regarding any possible relationships. Now I'd like to
bring that research into the 21st century by forming an FTDNA LANDA surname
project. I am submitting this message to several digests, as well as the
DNA one, so as to inform as many as possible about the formation of this
project.

My husband & I have science backgrounds, and have been very interested in
the potential uses of DNA. Thus, we were very excited when in 2000,
JewishGen joined with FTDNA to use DNA testing for genealogical purposes.
We, and a male cousin on my mother's side, were among the first to do the
tests. In just over 4 years, almost 24,000 test kits have been processed, &
over 1,000 surname projects formed. If you are not familiar with using DNA
testing for genealogy, or want more information about it, go to FTDNA's
website: http://www.familytreedna.com

We have been extremely pleased with the results of our use of DNA testing.
It has helped us validate some relationships, and disprove others. And a
male member of a family of whom I had no previous knowledge, matched my
cousin's Y-DNA 37 markers exactly, thereby confirming that we had a common
ancestor within about the last 100 years. We believe our great-grandfathers
may have been brothers.

My 93 year-old father, ISADORE LANDE, decided to do the DNA test in the
event that after he is gone, we might find some family related to him. But
the greatest gift I could give him would be to do so while he is still
alive. By forming an FTDNA LANDA surname project, even if you & I don't
have a fairly recent common ancestor, you may connect with someone else in
the group.

I am willing to coordinate the project, and would get all pertinent
information >from FTDNA. I believe the Y-DNA test is cheaper through a
project than if it is done individually. If you are, or have a direct male
LANDA descendant, and are interested in joining the project, please respond
privately to pmlewis@....

Looking forward to hearing >from you,
Myrna Lande Lewis
Suffern, NY USA
MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please reply privately.

Dear Fellow Genners,

I've noticed >from various JewishGen digests & databases that many of
you are researching the surname LANDA, just as I am. In fact I may
have contacted some in the past regarding any possible
relationships. Now I'd like to bring that research into the 21st
century by forming an FTDNA LANDA surname project. I am submitting
this message to several digests, as well as the DNA one, so as to
inform as many as possible about the formation of this project.

My husband & I have science backgrounds, and have been very
interested in the potential uses of DNA. Thus, we were very excited
when in 2000, JewishGen joined with FTDNA to use DNA testing for
genealogical purposes. We, and a male cousin on my mother's side,
were among the first to do the tests. In just over 4 years, almost
24,000 test kits have been processed, & over 1,000 surname projects
formed. If you are not familiar with using DNA testing for
genealogy, or want more information about it, go to FTDNA's website:
http://www.familytreedna.com

We have been extremely pleased with the results of our use of DNA
testing. It has helped us validate some relationships, and disprove
others. And a male member of a family of whom I had no previous
knowledge, matched my cousin's Y-DNA 37 markers exactly, thereby
confirming that we had a common ancestor within about the last 100
years. We believe our great-grandfathers may have been brothers.

My 93 year-old father, Isadore LANDE, decided to do the DNA test in
the event that after he is gone, we might find some family related
to him. But the greatest gift I could give him would be to do so
while he is still alive. By forming an FTDNA LANDA surname project,
even if you & I don't have a fairly recent common ancestor, you may
connect with someone else in the group.

I am willing to coordinate the project, and would get all pertinent
information >from FTDNA. I believe the Y-DNA test is cheaper through
a project than if it is done individually. If you are, or have a
direct male LANDA descendant, and are interested in joining the
project, please respond privately to < pmlewis@... >.

Looking forward to hearing >from you,
Myrna Lande Lewis
Suffern, NY USA

Dear Fellow Genners,

I've noticed >from various JewishGen digests & databases that many of
you are researching the surname LANDA, just as I am. In fact I may
have contacted some in the past regarding any possible
relationships. Now I'd like to bring that research into the 21st
century by forming an FTDNA LANDA surname project. I am submitting
this message to several digests, as well as the DNA one, so as to
inform as many as possible about the formation of this project.

My husband & I have science backgrounds, and have been very
interested in the potential uses of DNA. Thus, we were very excited
when in 2000, JewishGen joined with FTDNA to use DNA testing for
genealogical purposes. We, and a male cousin on my mother's side,
were among the first to do the tests. In just over 4 years, almost
24,000 test kits have been processed, & over 1,000 surname projects
formed. If you are not familiar with using DNA testing for
genealogy, or want more information about it, go to FTDNA's website:
http://www.familytreedna.com

We have been extremely pleased with the results of our use of DNA
testing. It has helped us validate some relationships, and disprove
others. And a male member of a family of whom I had no previous
knowledge, matched my cousin's Y-DNA 37 markers exactly, thereby
confirming that we had a common ancestor within about the last 100
years. We believe our great-grandfathers may have been brothers.

My 93 year-old father, Isadore LANDE, decided to do the DNA test in
the event that after he is gone, we might find some family related
to him. But the greatest gift I could give him would be to do so
while he is still alive. By forming an FTDNA LANDA surname project,
even if you & I don't have a fairly recent common ancestor, you may
connect with someone else in the group.

I am willing to coordinate the project, and would get all pertinent
information >from FTDNA. I believe the Y-DNA test is cheaper through
a project than if it is done individually. If you are, or have a
direct male LANDA descendant, and are interested in joining the
project, please respond privately to < pmlewis@... >.

Looking forward to hearing >from you,
Myrna Lande Lewis
Suffern, NY USA

Dear Gen,

Please could someone tell me where I can find the UK burial database?

Thank you,
Mary in Australia

MODERATOR NOTE: Please go to the All UK Database at www.jewishgen.org/databases/UK/
You will find two search engines on that page with different records in each.

Dear Gen,

Please could someone tell me where I can find the UK burial database?

Thank you,
Mary in Australia

MODERATOR NOTE: Please go to the All UK Database at www.jewishgen.org/databases/UK/
You will find two search engines on that page with different records in each.

Hello,

I am reading with interest the fact that Germany is giving people trips to
visit hometowns. I was born in Stettin which is now a part of Poland. Does
the German government also pay for trips there? Do the
Polish??? Would like to have anyone who can give me some input to write so
that I would know the next step to take. I would like to see where my
Grandparents, parents and I lived. Although my grandparents died in the
camps my parents escaped with me and I live in the u.s. Would appreciate
any information on these programs or any hints on direction . I have
written to Poland and received no reply. Thanks everyone for your input

Ralph Lewin annlewin@... Desert, CA USA

Hello,

I am reading with interest the fact that Germany is giving people trips to
visit hometowns. I was born in Stettin which is now a part of Poland. Does
the German government also pay for trips there? Do the
Polish??? Would like to have anyone who can give me some input to write so
that I would know the next step to take. I would like to see where my
Grandparents, parents and I lived. Although my grandparents died in the
camps my parents escaped with me and I live in the u.s. Would appreciate
any information on these programs or any hints on direction . I have
written to Poland and received no reply. Thanks everyone for your input

Ralph Lewin annlewin@... Desert, CA USA

The program organized by the city of Stuttgart was comprehensive (air fare,
hotel, local sightseeing, some food) and successful. There was a waiting
list which was exhausted a couple of years ago and the program ended.

IF someone was overlooked or skipped, there MAY be some arrangements.
Contact(possibly obsolete):
Georg von Pentz E-mail Address(es): u41k027@...

George Arnstein in Washington, DC REPLY TO: garnstein@...

The program organized by the city of Stuttgart was comprehensive (air fare,
hotel, local sightseeing, some food) and successful. There was a waiting
list which was exhausted a couple of years ago and the program ended.

IF someone was overlooked or skipped, there MAY be some arrangements.
Contact(possibly obsolete):
Georg von Pentz E-mail Address(es): u41k027@...

George Arnstein in Washington, DC REPLY TO: garnstein@...

I made a google search with "Besuchsprogramm" and "Juedische".

(Note: Google will search for u-umlaut when ue is entered.) <<<<<<<<<<

Some cities like Stuttgart of Berlin are about to end their visit
program for lack of funds.

This is the official web page or the City of Frankfurt:

http://www.frankfurt.de/sis/English.php?_navi=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.frankfurt.
de%2Fsis%2Fsis%2Flist.php%3Fpage%3D07_nav_seite&_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.frankfurt.
de%2Fsis%2Fsis%2Fdetail.php%3Fid%3D78048%26_reload%3D1

Some press reports on former meetings (in German):

http://fhh1.hamburg.de/fhh/aktuelle_meldungen/archiv_2002/april/
pe_2002_04_11_pr_01.htm
http://www.bremen.de/web/owa/p_anz_presse_mitteilung?pi_mid=31354
http://www.taz.de/pt/2004/07/07/a0056.nf/text.ges,1
http://www.abendblatt.de/daten/2004/07/30/323728.html
http://www.duelmen.de/red/aktuelles/index.htm?seite=/red/aktuelles/2329.htm
http://www.asf-ev.de/zeichen/99-4-10.shtml
http://www.heidelberg.de/aktuelle/archiv/pd110901.htm
http://www.stuttgart.de/4/sixcms/detail.php?id=5471
http://www.judentum-in-salzkotten.de/Verein/body_verein.html
http://www.emder-juden.org/Chronologie/body_chronologie.html
http://www.gruene-bielefeld.de/gruene/pages?page=295&session=9n49Z8LTw2

Andreas Schwab, Montreal, QC, Canada. Mailto:andreas.schwab@...

I made a google search with "Besuchsprogramm" and "Juedische".

(Note: Google will search for u-umlaut when ue is entered.) <<<<<<<<<<

Some cities like Stuttgart of Berlin are about to end their visit
program for lack of funds.

This is the official web page or the City of Frankfurt:

http://www.frankfurt.de/sis/English.php?_navi=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.frankfurt.
de%2Fsis%2Fsis%2Flist.php%3Fpage%3D07_nav_seite&_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.frankfurt.
de%2Fsis%2Fsis%2Fdetail.php%3Fid%3D78048%26_reload%3D1

Some press reports on former meetings (in German):

http://fhh1.hamburg.de/fhh/aktuelle_meldungen/archiv_2002/april/
pe_2002_04_11_pr_01.htm
http://www.bremen.de/web/owa/p_anz_presse_mitteilung?pi_mid=31354
http://www.taz.de/pt/2004/07/07/a0056.nf/text.ges,1
http://www.abendblatt.de/daten/2004/07/30/323728.html
http://www.duelmen.de/red/aktuelles/index.htm?seite=/red/aktuelles/2329.htm
http://www.asf-ev.de/zeichen/99-4-10.shtml
http://www.heidelberg.de/aktuelle/archiv/pd110901.htm
http://www.stuttgart.de/4/sixcms/detail.php?id=5471
http://www.judentum-in-salzkotten.de/Verein/body_verein.html
http://www.emder-juden.org/Chronologie/body_chronologie.html
http://www.gruene-bielefeld.de/gruene/pages?page=295&session=9n49Z8LTw2

Andreas Schwab, Montreal, QC, Canada. Mailto:andreas.schwab@...