I take the liberty to join Pamela's reminder and to
draw the attention of any new "starter" to look not
only into the 1891 and 1929 trade directories but also
to JGFF and JRI.
I am working now on a surname index of BRZESKO and
have there entries of KLAUSNER >from all the 4 sources
mentioned just above.
According to the official Rytro website( in Polish)
the total population of Rytro in 1937 was 1,444 people
out of them 45(45) Jews.The website is
www.rytro.onet.pl
Rytro lies south of Brzesko and if the map on Mapquest
is to be believed there is a road between those 2
Shtetlach.
And if Mr. Levison knows of any Klausners who married
into KOENIGSBUCH family I'll would like to be the
first to be informed about that.

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Shalom >from Jerusalem
Jacob Rosen

Searching KOENIGSBUCH >from BRZESKO/KRAKOW/NIEPOLOMICE.





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I take the liberty to join Pamela's reminder and to
draw the attention of any new "starter" to look not
only into the 1891 and 1929 trade directories but also
to JGFF and JRI.
I am working now on a surname index of BRZESKO and
have there entries of KLAUSNER >from all the 4 sources
mentioned just above.
According to the official Rytro website( in Polish)
the total population of Rytro in 1937 was 1,444 people
out of them 45(45) Jews.The website is
www.rytro.onet.pl
Rytro lies south of Brzesko and if the map on Mapquest
is to be believed there is a road between those 2
Shtetlach.
And if Mr. Levison knows of any Klausners who married
into KOENIGSBUCH family I'll would like to be the
first to be informed about that.

[MODERATOR NOTE: Please respond privately]

Shalom >from Jerusalem
Jacob Rosen

Searching KOENIGSBUCH >from BRZESKO/KRAKOW/NIEPOLOMICE.





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Does anyone have any knowledge of any GUZIK and/or REICH families anywhere
in Galicia in the early 1900's?
I would appreciate any information.

leShana Tova

Avraham Ofek
Netanya, Israel
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Does anyone have any knowledge of any GUZIK and/or REICH families anywhere
in Galicia in the early 1900's?
I would appreciate any information.

leShana Tova

Avraham Ofek
Netanya, Israel
=========================================================================

Has any one thought that Masha can be the female for Moshe. *Hebrew* (Mem Shin
Hey = Moshe Mem Shin Hay with a _ under the Hay you've got Masha)
Judy Ford

Has any one thought that Masha can be the female for Moshe. *Hebrew* (Mem Shin
Hey = Moshe Mem Shin Hay with a _ under the Hay you've got Masha)
Judy Ford

Dear genners,
Masha and Moussia, as well as Mura, are derivatives of the full
Russian name Maria. Jews who lived in Russia often gave their
children Russian names that later became common.
Leah Gordon
New York

Dear Leah,

It's far more likely that it happened the other way round. There are
variants of Mary in every language for obvious reasons; they all
come >from the New Testament's Virgin Mary -- whose actual Hebrew
name was obviously Miryam.

Down the centuries, many Jewish girls were named Miriam (after the
Moses' sister in the Torah). And a Jewish Miriam would frequently be
given the "local" version of her name (whether Russian or Polish or
Italian or German or French or English or you-name-it) depending on
where she lived. I personally knew several Anglo-Jewish women of my
mother's generation who were named Mary -- but I must confess I was
never comfortable with it!

Judith Romney Wegner

Dear genners,
Masha and Moussia, as well as Mura, are derivatives of the full
Russian name Maria. Jews who lived in Russia often gave their
children Russian names that later became common.
Leah Gordon
New York

Dear Leah,

It's far more likely that it happened the other way round. There are
variants of Mary in every language for obvious reasons; they all
come >from the New Testament's Virgin Mary -- whose actual Hebrew
name was obviously Miryam.

Down the centuries, many Jewish girls were named Miriam (after the
Moses' sister in the Torah). And a Jewish Miriam would frequently be
given the "local" version of her name (whether Russian or Polish or
Italian or German or French or English or you-name-it) depending on
where she lived. I personally knew several Anglo-Jewish women of my
mother's generation who were named Mary -- but I must confess I was
never comfortable with it!

Judith Romney Wegner

I am pleased to announce completion of a project to type the complete extant
marriage records of Istanbul--approximately 35 thousand in all, dating from
the mid 1880s. Here is a list of the surnames in these records:

http://www.kazez.com/~dan/Istanbul/Gen.html

We are 99% finished with proofing our work.

Thousands of hours of volunteer typing and proofing have gone into this
work. But it all began in Istanbul. We deeply thank the Jewish community
of Istanbul for their interest in our project and their non-stop assistance
in helping us to meet our goal of completeness and accuracy.

Dan Kazez
....
Daniel Kazez <dkazez@...>
Springfield, Ohio USA
Turkey: KAZEZ-KAZES, ALHADEF-ELHADEF, FRESKO-FRESCO, HABIB, DEVIDAS-DE VIDAS
http://userpages.wittenberg.edu/dkazez/dk/elh-kaz-fre.html

I am pleased to announce completion of a project to type the complete extant
marriage records of Istanbul--approximately 35 thousand in all, dating from
the mid 1880s. Here is a list of the surnames in these records:

http://www.kazez.com/~dan/Istanbul/Gen.html

We are 99% finished with proofing our work.

Thousands of hours of volunteer typing and proofing have gone into this
work. But it all began in Istanbul. We deeply thank the Jewish community
of Istanbul for their interest in our project and their non-stop assistance
in helping us to meet our goal of completeness and accuracy.

Dan Kazez
....
Daniel Kazez <dkazez@...>
Springfield, Ohio USA
Turkey: KAZEZ-KAZES, ALHADEF-ELHADEF, FRESKO-FRESCO, HABIB, DEVIDAS-DE VIDAS
http://userpages.wittenberg.edu/dkazez/dk/elh-kaz-fre.html

Dear Genners,

Copied here is the 1st paragraph of an article that appeared in todays
Cleveland Jewish News. Friday, Sept. 10,2004.

"In a precedent-setting ruling that could pave the way for legions of lost
Jews to return to the Jewish fold, a top New York rabbinical court has
accepted baptismal certificates, civil-war records and government documents as
proof that someone is Jewish under Jewish law."

The remainder of the article can be found at:

http://www.clevelandjewishnews.com/articles/2004/09/10/news/world/sgenealogy0
910.txt

Adelle Weintraub Gloger
Shaker Hts., Ohio
agloger@...

MODERATOR NOTE: Make sure to copy and paste the entire URL

Dear Genners,

Copied here is the 1st paragraph of an article that appeared in todays
Cleveland Jewish News. Friday, Sept. 10,2004.

"In a precedent-setting ruling that could pave the way for legions of lost
Jews to return to the Jewish fold, a top New York rabbinical court has
accepted baptismal certificates, civil-war records and government documents as
proof that someone is Jewish under Jewish law."

The remainder of the article can be found at:

http://www.clevelandjewishnews.com/articles/2004/09/10/news/world/sgenealogy0
910.txt

Adelle Weintraub Gloger
Shaker Hts., Ohio
agloger@...

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Looking for descendants of Elmer ROSEN or
Irving ROSEN, born around 1917 and 1918 respectively,
in Chicago, Illinois. Sons of Abel and Sophia ROSEN.
Grandsons of Ruben ROSEN, >from Schuchin, Russia and listed
as a rabbi in the 1920 Cook County IL census, and
Sophia ROSEN >from Taviski or Ctaviski, Russia.
Elmer Rosen passed away in 1988.
JGFF already consulted.

Tim Baker
Bellingham WA
tbaker@...
SULOWAY; GAIL; BRANSON, ROSEN; FUCHS/FOX;
WINEFIELD; Chicago, IL

MODERATOR NOTE: The above mentioned JGFF can be found at:
www.jewishgen.org/jgff

Looking for descendants of Elmer ROSEN or
Irving ROSEN, born around 1917 and 1918 respectively,
in Chicago, Illinois. Sons of Abel and Sophia ROSEN.
Grandsons of Ruben ROSEN, >from Schuchin, Russia and listed
as a rabbi in the 1920 Cook County IL census, and
Sophia ROSEN >from Taviski or Ctaviski, Russia.
Elmer Rosen passed away in 1988.
JGFF already consulted.

Tim Baker
Bellingham WA
tbaker@...
SULOWAY; GAIL; BRANSON, ROSEN; FUCHS/FOX;
WINEFIELD; Chicago, IL

MODERATOR NOTE: The above mentioned JGFF can be found at:
www.jewishgen.org/jgff

Ben Forman wrote:

For years I've been searching for some detail on
my GGParents on my dads side. Family lore says they came to to England

from Poland, although the 1901 UK census says Germany. Family lore says

they changed their name on arriving in the UK to FORMAN as they were
tailers (FUR-MAN), but the gravestone for my GGF says son of Zvi FRMN.

But "furman" means carter (think Fuhrmann), not tailor. It was probably the
original name in Poland, most likely a part of Poland under German rule (there
was no independent country of Poland until after the war), given the 1901
census data.

Dick Plotz
Providence RI USA

Dear genners,
Masha and Moussia, as well as Mura, are derivatives of the full Russian
name Maria. Jews who lived in Russia often gave their children Russian
names that later became common.
Leah Gordon
New York

Ben Forman wrote:

For years I've been searching for some detail on
my GGParents on my dads side. Family lore says they came to to England

from Poland, although the 1901 UK census says Germany. Family lore says

they changed their name on arriving in the UK to FORMAN as they were
tailers (FUR-MAN), but the gravestone for my GGF says son of Zvi FRMN.

But "furman" means carter (think Fuhrmann), not tailor. It was probably the
original name in Poland, most likely a part of Poland under German rule (there
was no independent country of Poland until after the war), given the 1901
census data.

Dick Plotz
Providence RI USA

Dear genners,
Masha and Moussia, as well as Mura, are derivatives of the full Russian
name Maria. Jews who lived in Russia often gave their children Russian
names that later became common.
Leah Gordon
New York

Joanne Saltman wrote:

At least one of my ancestors just picked a new name after he came here-the
family story is that Slotnik was too ethnic sounding so he changed his name to
Goldstein-which he thought was more important and impressive.

That's not much of a change. "Slotnik" is >from a Slavic root meaning "gold".
It may reflect vanity, or a family occupation, or it may be a matronymic,

from Zlata, the Slavic form of Golda.

Dick Plotz
Providence RI USA

Joanne Saltman wrote:

At least one of my ancestors just picked a new name after he came here-the
family story is that Slotnik was too ethnic sounding so he changed his name to
Goldstein-which he thought was more important and impressive.

That's not much of a change. "Slotnik" is >from a Slavic root meaning "gold".
It may reflect vanity, or a family occupation, or it may be a matronymic,

from Zlata, the Slavic form of Golda.

Dick Plotz
Providence RI USA