I have a picture of my late father as a baby with his
mother in Hungary. As a holocaust survivor, this is
the only picture my father had of his mother. Someone
just translated the inscription on the back for me but
now I need it interpreted! The inscription says:
"Sanyi with his vicemama". Sanyi was my father.
Apparently there is no one translation for vicemama.
Could be assistant to mother, replacement, stepmother.
I'm stumped. What could this mean?

The pictures (front and back) are here:

Front of pic:
http://www.atzum.org/schweiger/grandmother_sandor.jpg

Back of pic:
http://www.atzum.org/schweiger/grandmother_back.jpg

Please respond privately.

Thanks

Sara Wenger

I have a picture of my late father as a baby with his
mother in Hungary. As a holocaust survivor, this is
the only picture my father had of his mother. Someone
just translated the inscription on the back for me but
now I need it interpreted! The inscription says:
"Sanyi with his vicemama". Sanyi was my father.
Apparently there is no one translation for vicemama.
Could be assistant to mother, replacement, stepmother.
I'm stumped. What could this mean?

The pictures (front and back) are here:

Front of pic:
http://www.atzum.org/schweiger/grandmother_sandor.jpg

Back of pic:
http://www.atzum.org/schweiger/grandmother_back.jpg

Please respond privately.

Thanks

Sara Wenger

Hi Carol,
Misspelling: ZEISLER not Ziesler. I before E except after Z. Isn't that the
way it goes?

Regards and Happy Chanukkah!

Jerry ZEISLER

Thanks to all of you who responded to my name question
regarding whether a woman born Berta could have
changed her name to Erszibet. Since I posted, I have
confirmed that the aunt who was listed as Erszibet at
the time of the holocaust was born as Berta. I must
confer with Robert's comments below. There doesn't
seem to be any rhyme or reason to the seemingly
constant change of names. I have noticed that
Hungarian women changed their names much more often
then men. The variation in men's names that I have
seen are more obviously related to their original
names. In birth records I have seen the same mother
listed by 3 different first names on the records of 3
of her children. As Robert says, don't take the first
name as a clear sign. Look for other facts that can
confirm someone's identity.

Sara Wenger
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Subject: Re: RE: Hungarian name Erzsibet vs. Berta?
From: Robert Neu <roneu1@...>
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 23:22:43 -0800 (PST)
X-Message-Number: 8

Changing first name was/is very common with Jews,
inasmuch as they have
two to start with, which usually have the first letter
in common or an
accepted paralellism, not to mention the name in the
various languages
used such as Hungarian, Yiddish, German, if not Slovak
or here English.
If the person, or her family didn't like to use Berta
or Erzsebeth,
also called Erzsi and Bozsi among others they could
have changed the
usage. Also some are known by one name in the family
and with an other
elsewhere.

So you'll have to look beyond the name to establish
whether it is the
same person

Hi Carol,
Misspelling: ZEISLER not Ziesler. I before E except after Z. Isn't that the
way it goes?

Regards and Happy Chanukkah!

Jerry ZEISLER

Thanks to all of you who responded to my name question
regarding whether a woman born Berta could have
changed her name to Erszibet. Since I posted, I have
confirmed that the aunt who was listed as Erszibet at
the time of the holocaust was born as Berta. I must
confer with Robert's comments below. There doesn't
seem to be any rhyme or reason to the seemingly
constant change of names. I have noticed that
Hungarian women changed their names much more often
then men. The variation in men's names that I have
seen are more obviously related to their original
names. In birth records I have seen the same mother
listed by 3 different first names on the records of 3
of her children. As Robert says, don't take the first
name as a clear sign. Look for other facts that can
confirm someone's identity.

Sara Wenger
-----------
Subject: Re: RE: Hungarian name Erzsibet vs. Berta?
From: Robert Neu <roneu1@...>
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 23:22:43 -0800 (PST)
X-Message-Number: 8

Changing first name was/is very common with Jews,
inasmuch as they have
two to start with, which usually have the first letter
in common or an
accepted paralellism, not to mention the name in the
various languages
used such as Hungarian, Yiddish, German, if not Slovak
or here English.
If the person, or her family didn't like to use Berta
or Erzsebeth,
also called Erzsi and Bozsi among others they could
have changed the
usage. Also some are known by one name in the family
and with an other
elsewhere.

So you'll have to look beyond the name to establish
whether it is the
same person

According to the Hungarian Telephone Book site,
there is only one György Vidor in Budapest.
Address:
1133 Pannonia utca 95
BUDAPEST
Telephone:36-1-320-6443

Pannonia Street is in the typical Jewish middle
class area, so it must be either him or some
relative.
Try!
Stephen

According to the Hungarian Telephone Book site,
there is only one György Vidor in Budapest.
Address:
1133 Pannonia utca 95
BUDAPEST
Telephone:36-1-320-6443

Pannonia Street is in the typical Jewish middle
class area, so it must be either him or some
relative.
Try!
Stephen

During this season of thanks, I would like to thank all the JewishGen members
who have been so helpful.

In my EDELSTEIN search, I have checked the on-line databases, The Library of
Congress, YIVO, and some other on-line catalogues for hints on the following
person, I have also tried the RabbiGen group. Can anyone suggest where
now???

"Rabbi David Shlomo Edelstein? He was a rabbi in Warsaw, Poland, and died in
1872 (24 Kislev 5633). He was an orator, posek and cabbalist and the author of
"Seder Halacha".

Jocelyn

During this season of thanks, I would like to thank all the JewishGen members
who have been so helpful.

In my EDELSTEIN search, I have checked the on-line databases, The Library of
Congress, YIVO, and some other on-line catalogues for hints on the following
person, I have also tried the RabbiGen group. Can anyone suggest where
now???

"Rabbi David Shlomo Edelstein? He was a rabbi in Warsaw, Poland, and died in
1872 (24 Kislev 5633). He was an orator, posek and cabbalist and the author of
"Seder Halacha".

Jocelyn

Dear all

I would interessed to locate the house(s) of the UGIF in Paris, where any
rare old peoples, liberated >from Drancy, was transfered. Is it something on
this subject in YIVO archives? Many thanks for any information

Daniel Vangheluwe
France
vangheluwe-smietan@...

Dear all

I would interessed to locate the house(s) of the UGIF in Paris, where any
rare old peoples, liberated >from Drancy, was transfered. Is it something on
this subject in YIVO archives? Many thanks for any information

Daniel Vangheluwe
France
vangheluwe-smietan@...

Hello "Geners"

I am still looking for help in planning an ancesteral trip to Lipcani in what
is now Moldava any information or help in the direction I need to go would be
great. The family name is NUDELMAN.

thank you
Paula Jaye
jayepaula@...

Hello "Geners"

I am still looking for help in planning an ancesteral trip to Lipcani in what
is now Moldava any information or help in the direction I need to go would be
great. The family name is NUDELMAN.

thank you
Paula Jaye
jayepaula@...

Feis(s) appears regularly in Hebrew patronymics in 18th and early 19th century
Jewish records. Often accompanied by the name "Uri" and frequently seems to
equate with Philip in English. eg: New Synagogue birth record: 1818 [Oct 13]
Philip BECK (Feiss b.Samson b. Naftali Bek, Dog Row, Bethnal Green.

Falk is also common and appears to transliterate most frequently as either
Philip or Joshua, eg.
Great Synagogue Marriage 23 Aug 1826 Philip HARRIS (Joshua Falk b.Tsevi Hirsh)
marries Priscilla MARKS
Great Synagogue Marriage
12 Apr 1804 Philip BARNET (Falk b. Baruch) marries Fanny JOEL

Angela Shire

Feis(s) appears regularly in Hebrew patronymics in 18th and early 19th century
Jewish records. Often accompanied by the name "Uri" and frequently seems to
equate with Philip in English. eg: New Synagogue birth record: 1818 [Oct 13]
Philip BECK (Feiss b.Samson b. Naftali Bek, Dog Row, Bethnal Green.

Falk is also common and appears to transliterate most frequently as either
Philip or Joshua, eg.
Great Synagogue Marriage 23 Aug 1826 Philip HARRIS (Joshua Falk b.Tsevi Hirsh)
marries Priscilla MARKS
Great Synagogue Marriage
12 Apr 1804 Philip BARNET (Falk b. Baruch) marries Fanny JOEL

Angela Shire

I hope that by finding the Lithuanian birthplace of the SHAPINSKY family
who can be found in Scottsburg, Indiana, Louisville, KY and
Indianapolis, I may solve the riddle of my own STEINBERG family. The
first STEINBERG to immigrate to the US was married to Becky SHAPINSKY,
and it looks like he followed her family over. I have found Louis and
Simon SHAPINSKY (brothers) who were in business together in Louisville
in 1890 who are likely to be in Becky's family. Louis was born in 1860
in "Russia" according to the 1910 census, and in "Poland" according to
the 1920 census. I don't find him in the Kentucky death index, and
wonder where else I might look. I don't find him, for example, in the
1930 census or later, so assume his death would be between 1920 and
1930. A death certificate may actually have town of birth, if I am
lucky, and then I could look for STEINBERG in that town.

Any suggestions?

Annemarie Jutel
Dunedin, NZ

Researching DROZDOWITZ/DROZDOWICZ/DROZDOW/DROSDOWITZ of Plonsk,
Zakroczym, Chicago, Ogden (UT), Indianapolis and New York. GOLDSTEIN
Marijampol, HIRSCHLER Manheim and Hessheim, MANHEIM Ottensoos, KAHN
Hannover, LOEB Strasbourg and STEINBERG

PS I have found one more census record for Louis Shapinsky since I posted
the previous message. He is still alive and in Louisville, KY in 1930.



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of general interest.

I hope that by finding the Lithuanian birthplace of the SHAPINSKY family
who can be found in Scottsburg, Indiana, Louisville, KY and
Indianapolis, I may solve the riddle of my own STEINBERG family. The
first STEINBERG to immigrate to the US was married to Becky SHAPINSKY,
and it looks like he followed her family over. I have found Louis and
Simon SHAPINSKY (brothers) who were in business together in Louisville
in 1890 who are likely to be in Becky's family. Louis was born in 1860
in "Russia" according to the 1910 census, and in "Poland" according to
the 1920 census. I don't find him in the Kentucky death index, and
wonder where else I might look. I don't find him, for example, in the
1930 census or later, so assume his death would be between 1920 and
1930. A death certificate may actually have town of birth, if I am
lucky, and then I could look for STEINBERG in that town.

Any suggestions?

Annemarie Jutel
Dunedin, NZ

Researching DROZDOWITZ/DROZDOWICZ/DROZDOW/DROSDOWITZ of Plonsk,
Zakroczym, Chicago, Ogden (UT), Indianapolis and New York. GOLDSTEIN
Marijampol, HIRSCHLER Manheim and Hessheim, MANHEIM Ottensoos, KAHN
Hannover, LOEB Strasbourg and STEINBERG

PS I have found one more census record for Louis Shapinsky since I posted
the previous message. He is still alive and in Louisville, KY in 1930.



MODERATOR NOTE: Please respond privately unless the information is
of general interest.

Dear Roberta,

I have a great-grandmother buried in Washington Cemetery in Brooklyn and was
told they would take a picture of her stone. I talked to an administrator
twice, was told to send a check of $9.50. I followed up with a letter and
another call. The check was cashed and that was the end of that.

Good luck finding an outsider to take care of this.

Sincerely,
June Sabroff

Dear Roberta,

I have a great-grandmother buried in Washington Cemetery in Brooklyn and was
told they would take a picture of her stone. I talked to an administrator
twice, was told to send a check of $9.50. I followed up with a letter and
another call. The check was cashed and that was the end of that.

Good luck finding an outsider to take care of this.

Sincerely,
June Sabroff