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Re: Identify birthplace "Werche Volimer Gov"? #general

David Brostoff
 

Two corrections:

Dora (Scheine) FINKELSTEIN's dates are ca. 1885-1940.

Also, she immigrated to Philadelphia in 1906, not 1907.

David Brostoff


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Identify birthplace "Werche Volimer Gov"? #general

David Brostoff
 

Two corrections:

Dora (Scheine) FINKELSTEIN's dates are ca. 1885-1940.

Also, she immigrated to Philadelphia in 1906, not 1907.

David Brostoff


Identify birthplace "Werche Volimer Gov"? #general

David Brostoff
 

I am trying to identify the birthplace of Dora (Scheine) FINKELSTEIN (ca.
1885-1906).

Her 1907 passenger list gives Werche Volimer Gov (or perhaps Gav).

Gov seems be an abbreviation for gubernia but I can't find anything close to
Volimer in the list of Russian governates here:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_governorates_of_the_Russian_Empire>

Her naturalization petition gives Verhov, Rus., which I assume is the Werche
above, although I cannot locate it using the JewishGen Gazetteer, etc.

Other documents give only Russia.

Any ideas?

Thank you,

David Brostoff


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Identify birthplace "Werche Volimer Gov"? #general

David Brostoff
 

I am trying to identify the birthplace of Dora (Scheine) FINKELSTEIN (ca.
1885-1906).

Her 1907 passenger list gives Werche Volimer Gov (or perhaps Gav).

Gov seems be an abbreviation for gubernia but I can't find anything close to
Volimer in the list of Russian governates here:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_governorates_of_the_Russian_Empire>

Her naturalization petition gives Verhov, Rus., which I assume is the Werche
above, although I cannot locate it using the JewishGen Gazetteer, etc.

Other documents give only Russia.

Any ideas?

Thank you,

David Brostoff


Re: Hebrew_Name_For_Mˆjer/Moricz?? #hungary

tom
 

(just a reminder that accented characters don't work properly with the=
jewishgen list server. it doesn't always matter, but in this case. it's=
important to decipher "Mo'r" as you ancestor's name.)

i hesitate to even offer a guess, because most of the people in my family=
had jewish and secular names that often did not "correspond" neatly the way=
the polish or russian jewish names did. in fact, they are almost=
perversely different, given that some of their secular names were biblical=
- there are no connections between simon and yehoshua, or eva and sarah,=
just two examples >from my immediate family. so i don't think there are any=
shortcuts to actual documentation.


=2E...... tom klein, toronto

martin.kaminer@... wrote:

I'm digging a little deeper into my Hungarian ancestors and am trying
to figure out the Hebrew name of my maternal GGGF M=88=84r/Moricz
Feigenbaum, born in Borsi in the late 1840's.
Are there certain Hebrew names more frequently associated with that
name? Any suggestions/theories welcome.
(I realize there's not necessarily a relation between the Hebrew and
vernacular first name).


Re: Hebrew_Name_For_Majer/Moricz?? #hungary

yitschok@...
 

The name Moricz is often associated with the Hebrew names Mayer, Moshe &
Mordchei.
The Hungarian J is like our Y (Majer=Mayer), which makes me believe that
your GGGF's Hebrew name was most probably Mayer.

Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 14:18:47 -0500
From: martin.kaminer@...
Subject: Hebrew_Name_For_MÃjer/Moricz??

Hello All --
I'm digging a little deeper into my Hungarian ancestors and am trying
to figure out the Hebrew name of my maternal GGGF Mór/Moricz
Feigenbaum, born in Borsi in the late 1840's.
Are there certain Hebrew names more frequently associated with that
name? Any suggestions/theories welcome.
(I realize there's not necessarily a relation between the Hebrew and
vernacular first name).
Thanks,
Martin Kaminer
New York


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Hebrew_Name_For_Mˆjer/Moricz?? #hungary

tom
 

(just a reminder that accented characters don't work properly with the=
jewishgen list server. it doesn't always matter, but in this case. it's=
important to decipher "Mo'r" as you ancestor's name.)

i hesitate to even offer a guess, because most of the people in my family=
had jewish and secular names that often did not "correspond" neatly the way=
the polish or russian jewish names did. in fact, they are almost=
perversely different, given that some of their secular names were biblical=
- there are no connections between simon and yehoshua, or eva and sarah,=
just two examples >from my immediate family. so i don't think there are any=
shortcuts to actual documentation.


=2E...... tom klein, toronto

martin.kaminer@... wrote:

I'm digging a little deeper into my Hungarian ancestors and am trying
to figure out the Hebrew name of my maternal GGGF M=88=84r/Moricz
Feigenbaum, born in Borsi in the late 1840's.
Are there certain Hebrew names more frequently associated with that
name? Any suggestions/theories welcome.
(I realize there's not necessarily a relation between the Hebrew and
vernacular first name).


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Hebrew_Name_For_Majer/Moricz?? #hungary

yitschok@...
 

The name Moricz is often associated with the Hebrew names Mayer, Moshe &
Mordchei.
The Hungarian J is like our Y (Majer=Mayer), which makes me believe that
your GGGF's Hebrew name was most probably Mayer.

Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 14:18:47 -0500
From: martin.kaminer@...
Subject: Hebrew_Name_For_MÃjer/Moricz??

Hello All --
I'm digging a little deeper into my Hungarian ancestors and am trying
to figure out the Hebrew name of my maternal GGGF Mór/Moricz
Feigenbaum, born in Borsi in the late 1840's.
Are there certain Hebrew names more frequently associated with that
name? Any suggestions/theories welcome.
(I realize there's not necessarily a relation between the Hebrew and
vernacular first name).
Thanks,
Martin Kaminer
New York


Re: Hebrew_Name_For_Mor/Moricz?? #hungary

HungarianRoots
 

Dear Martin,

As you suggested, there is not always a direct link between secular and Heb=
rew names, but a secular Mor/Moricz/Moritz would usually be Moshe (not alwa=
ys).
However, I have seen some cases where a Moritz was a Meir or Meshulam.
Also, sometimes a biblical name was the secular name of a person - just fou=
nd a secular Samuel whose Hebrew name was Shimeon (Simon).

If you want to be sure of his Hebrew name, you should either find his grave=
or one of his children's that would have the name of the father.


Regards,

Karesz Vandor
genealogist/historian/private tour guide

Hungarian Roots
web: www.hungarianroots.com
e-mail: info@...
cell: +36-30-546-6950

Hello All --
I'm digging a little deeper into my Hungarian ancestors and am trying to fi=
gure out the Hebrew name of my maternal GGGF M=C3=B3r/Moricz Feigenbaum, bo=
rn in Borsi in the late 1840's.
Are there certain Hebrew names more frequently associated with that name? =
Any suggestions/theories welcome.
(I realize there's not necessarily a relation between the Hebrew and vernac=
ular first name).
Thanks,
Martin Kaminer
New York
~~~~~~~~~


Hungary SIG #Hungary RE: Hebrew_Name_For_Mor/Moricz?? #hungary

HungarianRoots
 

Dear Martin,

As you suggested, there is not always a direct link between secular and Heb=
rew names, but a secular Mor/Moricz/Moritz would usually be Moshe (not alwa=
ys).
However, I have seen some cases where a Moritz was a Meir or Meshulam.
Also, sometimes a biblical name was the secular name of a person - just fou=
nd a secular Samuel whose Hebrew name was Shimeon (Simon).

If you want to be sure of his Hebrew name, you should either find his grave=
or one of his children's that would have the name of the father.


Regards,

Karesz Vandor
genealogist/historian/private tour guide

Hungarian Roots
web: www.hungarianroots.com
e-mail: info@...
cell: +36-30-546-6950

Hello All --
I'm digging a little deeper into my Hungarian ancestors and am trying to fi=
gure out the Hebrew name of my maternal GGGF M=C3=B3r/Moricz Feigenbaum, bo=
rn in Borsi in the late 1840's.
Are there certain Hebrew names more frequently associated with that name? =
Any suggestions/theories welcome.
(I realize there's not necessarily a relation between the Hebrew and vernac=
ular first name).
Thanks,
Martin Kaminer
New York
~~~~~~~~~


JGSMD December 16 program announcement #general

Susan Steeble
 

Jewish Genealogy Society of Maryland
Speaker: Lara Diamond
Title: "Genetic Genealogy 101"
Date and Time: Sunday, December 16, 2018, 1:30 p.m.
Location: Pikesville Library's meeting room, 1301 Reisterstown Rd,
Pikesville, MD

Please join us on Sunday, December 16, 2018, at 1:30 p.m., at the
Pikesville Library's meeting room, 1301 Reisterstown Road, Pikesville,
to hear Lara Diamond present "Genetic Genealogy 101."

This introduction to genetic genealogy-related DNA testing will cover
the types of tests available (autosomal, yDNA, and mtDNA) and discuss
the types of genealogical questions each can help to answer. The pros
and cons of testing with various companies (particularly for autosomal
testing) will be covered, as will strategies for transferring results
from one company to others. You will learn what results will look like
with each type of test and what your initial steps should be once your
results are in. This talk will also discuss the reliability of
ethnicity estimates.

Lara Diamond has been researching her family for more than 25 years,
starting as a middle school student. She has traced all branches of
her family multiple generations back in Europe, using Russian
Empire-era and Austria-Hungarian Empire records. Most of her research
is in modern-day Ukraine, with a smattering of Belarus and Poland. As
she is an Ashkenazic Jew, she gets to have particular fun with her
completely endogamous genome. She is president of the Jewish Genealogy
Society of Maryland, leads JewishGen's Subcarpathian SIG, and is on
JewishGen's Ukraine SIG's board of directors. She also runs multiple
district- and town-focused projects to collect documentation to assist
all those researching ancestors >from common towns. She blogs about DNA
and her Eastern European research at
http://larasgenealogy.blogspot.com .

The program is free for paid members and $5 for non-members (applied
to JGSMD membership fee) after their first meeting. Please check our
web site at www.jgsmd.org for late updates and for the time, location,
and program of future meetings.

Susan Steeble
Baltimore, MD
JGSMD Public Relations


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen JGSMD December 16 program announcement #general

Susan Steeble
 

Jewish Genealogy Society of Maryland
Speaker: Lara Diamond
Title: "Genetic Genealogy 101"
Date and Time: Sunday, December 16, 2018, 1:30 p.m.
Location: Pikesville Library's meeting room, 1301 Reisterstown Rd,
Pikesville, MD

Please join us on Sunday, December 16, 2018, at 1:30 p.m., at the
Pikesville Library's meeting room, 1301 Reisterstown Road, Pikesville,
to hear Lara Diamond present "Genetic Genealogy 101."

This introduction to genetic genealogy-related DNA testing will cover
the types of tests available (autosomal, yDNA, and mtDNA) and discuss
the types of genealogical questions each can help to answer. The pros
and cons of testing with various companies (particularly for autosomal
testing) will be covered, as will strategies for transferring results
from one company to others. You will learn what results will look like
with each type of test and what your initial steps should be once your
results are in. This talk will also discuss the reliability of
ethnicity estimates.

Lara Diamond has been researching her family for more than 25 years,
starting as a middle school student. She has traced all branches of
her family multiple generations back in Europe, using Russian
Empire-era and Austria-Hungarian Empire records. Most of her research
is in modern-day Ukraine, with a smattering of Belarus and Poland. As
she is an Ashkenazic Jew, she gets to have particular fun with her
completely endogamous genome. She is president of the Jewish Genealogy
Society of Maryland, leads JewishGen's Subcarpathian SIG, and is on
JewishGen's Ukraine SIG's board of directors. She also runs multiple
district- and town-focused projects to collect documentation to assist
all those researching ancestors >from common towns. She blogs about DNA
and her Eastern European research at
http://larasgenealogy.blogspot.com .

The program is free for paid members and $5 for non-members (applied
to JGSMD membership fee) after their first meeting. Please check our
web site at www.jgsmd.org for late updates and for the time, location,
and program of future meetings.

Susan Steeble
Baltimore, MD
JGSMD Public Relations


viewmate VM 70542 FRIEDRICH, Hungary c1918 #general

Adam Frederick <dradam@...>
 

photo identification
WW1 1916-1918. Italian Front. Hungarian army.
Please provide information on the name of the army group, location any
other details My grandfather pictured 2nd >from right Stephen
FRIEDRICH born 1898 in Gorican near Cakovec, Hungary (current Croatia)
and living in Rijecka / Fiume before WW1, was involved in
communications, use of horses and use of telegraph. Was exposed to
poison gas.

It is on ViewMate at the following address ...
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM70542

Please respond via the form provided on the ViewMate image page.

Thank you very much.
Adam Frederick Melbourne, Australia.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen viewmate VM 70542 FRIEDRICH, Hungary c1918 #general

Adam Frederick <dradam@...>
 

photo identification
WW1 1916-1918. Italian Front. Hungarian army.
Please provide information on the name of the army group, location any
other details My grandfather pictured 2nd >from right Stephen
FRIEDRICH born 1898 in Gorican near Cakovec, Hungary (current Croatia)
and living in Rijecka / Fiume before WW1, was involved in
communications, use of horses and use of telegraph. Was exposed to
poison gas.

It is on ViewMate at the following address ...
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM70542

Please respond via the form provided on the ViewMate image page.

Thank you very much.
Adam Frederick Melbourne, Australia.


Romania Jewish tours? #romania

SamPam Hausfather <hausfather@...>
 

I am planning a roots trip to Romania in May 2019 and considering
using a tour company that gives Jewish-themed tours. Does anyone have
experience with tour companies in Romania? Any suggestions or sharing
of experiences would be appreciated. Please respond in private so you
can give me specific names.

Also, considering stops in Bacau and Focsani as that appears to be
where my grandfather was >from (Sam Hausvater, left 1901). Anyone have
experiences visiting those towns? Anything to see in particular or
contacts with the Jewish community? Thank you,
Sam Hausfather
Asheville, NC, USA


Romania SIG #Romania Romania Jewish tours? #romania

SamPam Hausfather <hausfather@...>
 

I am planning a roots trip to Romania in May 2019 and considering
using a tour company that gives Jewish-themed tours. Does anyone have
experience with tour companies in Romania? Any suggestions or sharing
of experiences would be appreciated. Please respond in private so you
can give me specific names.

Also, considering stops in Bacau and Focsani as that appears to be
where my grandfather was >from (Sam Hausvater, left 1901). Anyone have
experiences visiting those towns? Anything to see in particular or
contacts with the Jewish community? Thank you,
Sam Hausfather
Asheville, NC, USA


Looking for descendants of Orkovitch/Arkovitch and Bernstein, Mile End #unitedkingdom

Laura Mayer
 

Hi there

I am trying to find family members >from the Jacob Orkovitch (Or
Arkovitch) or Eve Orkovitch (Jacob's daughter) who was my 3x grand
grandfather and great aunt and >from the descendants of Kate and Marks
Bernstein (my great grandparents).

I found out quite recently that my grand father - George Edward
Jackson (known as Ted) was actually born Emanuel Bernstein to Kate and
Marks and had brothers Aaron, Philip and Solomon and sisters Annie and
Miriam. They lived in Mile End Old Town and Kate and the girls were
seamstresses. I know Aaron and Emanuel were put in the Knights Hill
Jewish Orphange after Marks' death but there is no leaving date. My
mother talks about his brother Jack who was a barber in Golders Green
she thinks, but there is no indication of a brother Jack. As 'Ted'
created a new identity maybe so did Aaron ??

My nan talks about Grandad running away >from home to join the Navy
during WW1 and was sent back as he was still too young - maybe he hot
footed it >from 'the home' rather than home as such ? We know that
when he couldn't join the British Navy he ran away to the States. At
some point then he changed his whole identity. He talked about riding
the trains and then he joined the Navy. The US Navy has no records of
this but my Nan had a photo of him in his US Navy Uniform on a US boat
so it definitely did happen! Of course we have no idea what name he
used, if either of those two ! He also said he became naturalised and
to celebrate had the Eagle tattooed on his back. He returned some time
in or before 1922 to marry my Nan as George Edward Jackson. He then
became a merchant seaman, then docker and had 6 children before dying
in the 1950's due to a genetic heart condition (maybe so did
Marks???).

My mother remembers his mother and his sisters at his funeral calling
him Manny. My grandmother was offered work by Kate also but refused
as Grandad hated his mother so much - something to do with the
stepfather.

I have Jacob and Eve on the 1901 census then nothing! There is a
Jacob travelling to the states in 1902 which says he is travelling
with children and a German national but who knows if he lied (he is
stated as Russian on the census) due to the political situation in
Russia at that time to get into the States ? Maybe Grandad went to
see him when he absconded to the States sometime around 1915?

I have hit so many brick walls ! I do hope I can find out more here.

Kind regards

Laura Mayer
MODERATOR NOTE: Please respond privately with family information.
Suggestions for research methods or resources may be shared with the list.


JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom Looking for descendants of Orkovitch/Arkovitch and Bernstein, Mile End #unitedkingdom

Laura Mayer
 

Hi there

I am trying to find family members >from the Jacob Orkovitch (Or
Arkovitch) or Eve Orkovitch (Jacob's daughter) who was my 3x grand
grandfather and great aunt and >from the descendants of Kate and Marks
Bernstein (my great grandparents).

I found out quite recently that my grand father - George Edward
Jackson (known as Ted) was actually born Emanuel Bernstein to Kate and
Marks and had brothers Aaron, Philip and Solomon and sisters Annie and
Miriam. They lived in Mile End Old Town and Kate and the girls were
seamstresses. I know Aaron and Emanuel were put in the Knights Hill
Jewish Orphange after Marks' death but there is no leaving date. My
mother talks about his brother Jack who was a barber in Golders Green
she thinks, but there is no indication of a brother Jack. As 'Ted'
created a new identity maybe so did Aaron ??

My nan talks about Grandad running away >from home to join the Navy
during WW1 and was sent back as he was still too young - maybe he hot
footed it >from 'the home' rather than home as such ? We know that
when he couldn't join the British Navy he ran away to the States. At
some point then he changed his whole identity. He talked about riding
the trains and then he joined the Navy. The US Navy has no records of
this but my Nan had a photo of him in his US Navy Uniform on a US boat
so it definitely did happen! Of course we have no idea what name he
used, if either of those two ! He also said he became naturalised and
to celebrate had the Eagle tattooed on his back. He returned some time
in or before 1922 to marry my Nan as George Edward Jackson. He then
became a merchant seaman, then docker and had 6 children before dying
in the 1950's due to a genetic heart condition (maybe so did
Marks???).

My mother remembers his mother and his sisters at his funeral calling
him Manny. My grandmother was offered work by Kate also but refused
as Grandad hated his mother so much - something to do with the
stepfather.

I have Jacob and Eve on the 1901 census then nothing! There is a
Jacob travelling to the states in 1902 which says he is travelling
with children and a German national but who knows if he lied (he is
stated as Russian on the census) due to the political situation in
Russia at that time to get into the States ? Maybe Grandad went to
see him when he absconded to the States sometime around 1915?

I have hit so many brick walls ! I do hope I can find out more here.

Kind regards

Laura Mayer
MODERATOR NOTE: Please respond privately with family information.
Suggestions for research methods or resources may be shared with the list.


Goldes, Jonathan Mark #southafrica

Saul Issroff
 

Trying to trace any family members of Jonathan Mark GOLDES (died
Toronto on/about July 13, 2018).

His parents: Muriel Dorothy GOLDES and Anton Abe GOLDES
Mother's maiden Name: Muriel Dorothy LICHTBLOW
Born: December 29, 1922 in Edinburgh, Scotland
Her Father: William Lichtblow
Her Mother: Lily Lichtblow

Anton Abe Goldes
Born: December 22, 1917 at Johannesburg, South Africa
His Father: Joseph Goldes

Anton and Muriel Baum married at Golders Green Synagogue (Middlesex)
on September 26, 1950. The Marriage Certificate gives her father as
William KERNER---NOT Lichtblow so maybe the name was changed.

Anton was in Radar section of SA forces WW2, then joined the Hagana
and was one of the founders of the radar service in Israel. Post war
went to Toronto. Was an engineer.
Anton had two brothers in Bloemfontein, Isidore and Lenid (?Lionel),
both bachelors and at least one sister, Lelava (in archival record),
but probably known as Lena or Lizzie. Was married to a Sammy MEYERS and
lived in Pretoria (divorced). Son Bruce MEYERS was sent to school in
Bloemfontein. He would be in his late 70s now.

Johnathan GOLDES had a sister, Sally, spinster, deceased.

So, any information about any living relatives would be helpful.
Please reply privately to my email and not to jewishgen

Saul Issroff
LONDON UK


South Africa SIG #SouthAfrica Goldes, Jonathan Mark #southafrica

Saul Issroff
 

Trying to trace any family members of Jonathan Mark GOLDES (died
Toronto on/about July 13, 2018).

His parents: Muriel Dorothy GOLDES and Anton Abe GOLDES
Mother's maiden Name: Muriel Dorothy LICHTBLOW
Born: December 29, 1922 in Edinburgh, Scotland
Her Father: William Lichtblow
Her Mother: Lily Lichtblow

Anton Abe Goldes
Born: December 22, 1917 at Johannesburg, South Africa
His Father: Joseph Goldes

Anton and Muriel Baum married at Golders Green Synagogue (Middlesex)
on September 26, 1950. The Marriage Certificate gives her father as
William KERNER---NOT Lichtblow so maybe the name was changed.

Anton was in Radar section of SA forces WW2, then joined the Hagana
and was one of the founders of the radar service in Israel. Post war
went to Toronto. Was an engineer.
Anton had two brothers in Bloemfontein, Isidore and Lenid (?Lionel),
both bachelors and at least one sister, Lelava (in archival record),
but probably known as Lena or Lizzie. Was married to a Sammy MEYERS and
lived in Pretoria (divorced). Son Bruce MEYERS was sent to school in
Bloemfontein. He would be in his late 70s now.

Johnathan GOLDES had a sister, Sally, spinster, deceased.

So, any information about any living relatives would be helpful.
Please reply privately to my email and not to jewishgen

Saul Issroff
LONDON UK

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