Re: Has anyone given a gravestone to a family member that didnt have one due to "suicide"? #usa

Myra Fournier

My father committed suicide in 1968 - he was a Holocaust survivor who had spent time in Buchenwald and lost many close family members in Auschwitz. We buried him in a Jewish cemetery in West Roxbury, MA among our other relatives and other German immigrants. My great uncle was a doctor who had ensured that my father's death certificate did not list suicide as the cause of death. Suicide was definitely shameful in those days.
Myra Fournier

Re: ViewMate Translation Request - Russian #translation


In Russian:



Состоялось в городе Лодзь 10 (23) июля 1907 года в 11 часов утра. Явился Габриел Сегал, местный заместитель равина и в присутствии свидетелей Абрама Хобера, 57 лет и Якова-Меера Тайвеля, 34 лет, оба -  религиозные служащие, жители города Лодзь и объявили, что вчера, в 8 часов вечера, в городе Лодзи был заключен религиозный брачный союз между Пинкусом Годелем, холостым, 23 лет, торговецем, рожденным и живущим в городе Ласк, сыном Леи-Хены (возможно) Годель, урожденной Вайнберг с Ройзей Годель, девицей 24 лет, дочерью Арона и Миндли, урожденной Шотлянд, супругов Годель, живущей с родителями в городе Лодзь. Браку этому предшествовали 3 предбрачные оглашения опубликованные в Лаской синагоге 13, 20 и 27 января и в Лодзинской синагоге 12, 19 и 26 мая сего года. Новобрачные объявили, что они не заключали между собой брачного договора. Акт сей по прочтении нами, равином и свидетелеми подписан. Остальные свидетели неграмотные.

Габриел Сегал

Абрам Хобер

Яков-Меер Тайвель

Президент города Лодзь Подпись


Translated into English:



It took place in the city of Lodz on July 10 (23), 1907 at 11 am. Gabriel Segal, the local deputy rabbi, appeared and in the presence of witnesses Abram Khober, 57 years old and Yakov-Meer Tayvel, 34 years old, both religious officials, residents of the city of Lodz and announced that yesterday, at 8 pm, a religious marriage took place between Pinkus Godel, single, 23 years old, merchant, born and living in the city of Lask, son of Lea-Hena (possibly) Godel, nee Weinberg with Royza Godel, maiden 24 years old, daughter of Aron and Mindlya, nee Shotland, spouses Godel, living with her parents in Lodz. This marriage was preceded by 3 prenuptial announcements published in the Laska synagogue on January 13, 20 and 27 and in the Lodz synagogue on May 12, 19 and 26 of this year. The newlyweds announced that they did not conclude a marriage contract between themselves. After reading this act, we, the rabbi and the witnesses signed it. The rest of the witnesses are illiterate.

Gabriel Segal
Abram Hober
Yakov-Meer Taivel
President of the City of Lodz Signature

Comment: I already translated this document and it's posted on JG.


Translated by Michael Ryabinky
Boynton Beach, FL

JGS Great Britain Eastern European SIG – Sun Jul 17th 2022 2pm – with Nigel Siederer – “Czernowitz: Jewish heritage & genealogy, with stories of life, death & narrow escapes” #events #announcements

Peter Heilbrunn

JGSGB EE SIG – Sun Jul 17th 2022 2pm – with Nigel Siederer – “Czernowitz: Jewish heritage & genealogy, with stories of life, death & narrow escapes”

Our next meeting in the JGSGB Virtual Meeting Programme is from the JGSGB Eastern European Special Interest Group (EE SIG) by Zoom.

• Date: Sunday Jul 17th 2022
• Time: 14:00 London (note; 09:00 New York, 16:00 Jerusalem, 07:00 Salt Lake City)
• Title: “Czernowitz: Jewish heritage & genealogy, with stories of life, death & narrow escapes”
• Speaker: Nigel Siederer
• Description: In the last 150 years, Czernowitz has been in Austria, Romania, and the Soviet Union. It is now in Ukraine, with its name and home language varying accordingly. Its Jewish population has varied from 30%-plus to virtually nil. This talk will explain these dramatic changes, and will use the Siederer family to illustrate how genealogical records and graves can be found.

After the talk, there will be an opportunity for Q&A and discussion on the talk.

About Nigel Siederer
Nigel Siederer has had a 40+ year career in the voluntary sector, at national, regional and local levels, beginning at Liberty in the 1970s, being chief executive of the Association of Charitable Foundations for 12 years, and is now a consultant specialising in philanthropy and charity governance.
Presently living in South East London, he was born into one of the founding families of the Jewish community in Ealing, having also lived in North London, Nottingham, and Guildford.
His genealogical work began in 2005 when his maternal Aunt asked him to trace her lost Grandmother, who, it turns out, was of Dutch ancestry with an unregistered birth in the East End. He also has Dutch ancestry on his father’s side, strong Anglo-Jewish roots, and a paternal grandfather who emigrated from Czernowitz in Austria-Hungary before WW1. He set up a family website and is in touch with many cousins in London, the Netherlands, and on the USA’s East, West and Gulf coasts.
He has been a member of JGSGB’s Council since April 2020 and was appointed Secretary from the beginning of 2021.
To register please follow this link 

If you have problems joining please email chairman@..., preferably in the 15 minutes before the meeting proper starts.

After registering, you will receive a confirmation email containing information about joining the meeting.

Peter Heilbrunn
Amersham, England

Swiss Jewry - sources for research #general

Jill Whitehead

I have been researching the Dukes family of Vienna, Budapest and Hlohovec/Galgocz who came to the UK in 1939. After the war Helen Dukes visited her uncle in Switzerland to look after him, as per a script she used in a BBC programme she appeared in during the 1970's.


I have found two entries on the Register of Swiss Surnames, which is on Family Search. There are two relevant Dukes but no first names are given. They were both based in Solothurn Canton, one living in Dornach gaining citizenship in 1960 and one based in Gempen (near Dornach) gaining citizenship in 1955.


This information seems to directly link up with information I have been given locally by a man who knew the family in the UK. Helen Dukes (who visited her uncle in Switzerland) and her late brother Heinz (who died in 1940) were active members of the Rudolf Steiner Anthroposophy movement pre and post WW2, and I understand that the worldwide HQ of this movement is in Dornach in Switzerland.


How can I find out the names and information about the two Dukes who were naturalized in Solothurn Canton in 1955 and 1960? I also understand there were or are a number of Jewish families who live(d) in this area.

Any help with Swiss sources welcome.

Jill Whitehead, Surrey, UK.

Washington State Hazen Family #austria-czech

David Smith

I'm looking for information about  my gg grandfather John Burt Hazen Specifically his parents. I know he was born in Austria  abt. 1880 I also  have census information regarding his wife, children, birth and death places and dates. How can I tell if I've hit a brick wall or a dead end?

David Smith

Re: questions regarding Russian laws #russia

xan madera

Hi , my friends from Brama Grodska in Lublin told I have to go for my further on family research about BRAUNHOLZ , BRAUNHOLC, BRAUNHOLTZ ,
to Russian Archives ...Migration Archives:
esp.Migration from Germany (Hamburg,Altona +Region) and Odessa of sephardic/ashkenazi Jews to Zamosc,Krasnik,Lublin ,Bialystok region(now also Lithuania).
Does anybody has experiences with that or more infos?
also with the Russian Migration Law´s in the Region of Lublin and Bialystok before it was polish again?
thank you
shavua tov
Jan Braunholz /Francfort sur le main  (preparing 14.july in south of france)

Re: Polin Museum History of the Jews of Poland #poland

Emily Rosenberg

Many people have responded to this offer so I am going to wait until the end of the week to figure out who gets the book.  I wish I had more to give away but there is only one.

Emily Rosenberg
Oakland, California

KESNER in Amsterdam, London, Chicago
STODEL in Amsterdam, London, USA
KAWIN in Suwalki and Poland
RUBINSKY in Suwalki and Poland

Need translation for 19th Century Polish vital records #poland #translation


ViewMate Translation Request - Russian #translation

Howie Rotblatt

I've posted a marriage record in Russian for which I need a translation. It is on ViewMate at the following address ...

Please respond via the form provided on the ViewMate image page.

Thank you,
Howard Rotblatt

Re: Stamps on Postcard sent from Gross-Rosen camp #holocaust

Peter Lobbenberg

 Hi Hanna, 

Respectfully, I think you may have misunderstood.  Although Schömberg is in the same geographical area as a number of the Gross Rosen subcamps, notably Landeshut which is only a few miles away, it does not - pace Wikipedia - appear to have been part of the Gross Rosen complex.  Firstly, it was a forced labour camp [specifically for Jewish women].  In contrast, the Gross Rosen subcamps were concentration camps - loathsome as both were, there's a big difference.  Secondly, the Gross Rosen subcamp network did not even exist at the time your mother wrote her postcard.   

Moreover, the Gross Rosen network survived until early 1945.  The Schömberg forced labour camp, which had opened as early as March 1941, closed down in May 1944.

The Schömberg that is part of Natzweiler-Struthof is an entirely different place in an entirely different part of the world (in Baden-Württemberg, S Germany, not far from Stuttgart; the two Schömbergs are over 400 miles apart).  The fact that both have the same name, and that both had camps, is sheer coincidence (and initially it had me fooled!).

It has become clear that Johannes Figge, whose name is on the private handstamp on the card (the one with the big Z), was the boss of the Figge company in Schömberg.  The firm, which had previously been called Methner und Frahne AG, did indeed process flax.  On this website are some interesting photos, including an example of Figge's letterhead from 1937.  It seems to have been quite a sizeable enterprise.  I'm only guessing, of course, but I'd have thought it more likely than not that "FIGA" is a corruption or mis-spelling of Figge.

Peter Lobbenberg

Re: Has anyone given a gravestone to a family member that didnt have one due to "suicide"? #usa


I had a first cousin who was estranged from her surviving daughter and her family. He husband preceded her in death and her son, who had mental illness, was homeless and lost contact with the family. When my cousin passed away, her daughter didn’t want anything to do with her and she was buried in a Jewish cemetery but away from the rest of our family and didn’t get a headstone. A few years later we found out her son passed away, was cremated and in a vault in a catholic cemetery. I acquired his ashes, bought a stone for his mother, put his name on the stone in a memorial and spread his ashes on her grave.
Steve Buzil
BUZILA and KILYAN from present day Moldova 
GRUBER and FEINGOLD from present day Ukraine
PORTNOY, GERSHON and OFSAIOF/OVSAIOVICH from present day Lithuania
MNUSHKIN and KOLVARACHIK from present day Belarus
EISENSTEIN and ZALIO from present day Romania

ViewMate Translation Requests - Polish #translation

Howie Rotblatt

I've posted two marriage records in Polish for which I need translations. They are on ViewMate at the following addresses ...

Please respond via the form provided on the ViewMate image page.

Thank you,
Howard Rotblatt
New York City

Re: Stamps on Postcard sent from Gross-Rosen camp #holocaust

Hanna Gafni

Thank you everyone with your help and suggestions.

My conclusion from what I knew about my mother and from the address on the postcards is that she is referring to Schomberg which is a part of Gross-Rosen.

Even though I was not able to find any reference to the name of the camp in any of the lists as a part of Gross-Rosen, only as a part of Natzweiler-Struthof. She never mentioned getting as far away as France.

If any one has any ideas where I can find actual information, that will be great.

The only other clue I have for which I could not find any information is a factory called FIGA, probably had something to do with processing flax, which is where she worked while in Gross-Rosen. Any help with that will be greatly appreciated.



Sent from Mail for Windows


Hanna Gafni
LEHRFELD, SINGER (and more) - Chrzanow, Poland
WEINSTOCK, HERZHAFT (and more) - Rudky, Ukraine

The JGS of Pittsburgh Presents: “The Genetic Origins And Migrations Of The Jewish People” With Adam Brown #dna #events #jgs-iajgs

Steve Jaron

Join the Jewish Genealogy Society of Pittsburgh on July 31st at 2pm (US Eastern) for our upcoming program with Adam Brown entitled “The Genetic Origins and Migrations of the Jewish People”.
The Avotaynu DNA Study is an ongoing worldwide academic collaboration of scientists, historians, genealogists and community leaders utilizing DNA to illuminate the origins and migrations of the Jewish people. Under the guidance of the Technion, the Avotaynu DNA Study has more than 8,000 participants representing all known Jewish communities from China to Curacao. Adam Brown is Project Administrator of the study. In this talk, he will answer any and all DNA questions and explain how the Avotaynu study can help you understand the origins of your own family.
Adam Brown is a frequent lecturer on genealogical subjects at conferences all over the world. In addition to administering the Avotaynu DNA study, he is Managing Editor of He was National Chair of the IAJGS 2017 conference in Orlando. A strategic planner by profession, he has led numerous boards and commissions on municipal planning and finance, Jewish education, and scientific research in Israel.
All regular programs are free for members of the JGS of Pittsburgh.
his virtual program will be presented via Zoom and recorded.

To register please click here
For information on membership and future programs please visit our website at
Date: Sunday July 31, 2022
Time: 2:00 PM (US Eastern)
Cost: $5
Virtual Program

Steven Jaron
JGS of Pittsburgh President

Where is the town Trogsky located? #belarus #lithuania

C Guarino

I have been looking for the town Trogsky, most likely located in Lithuania or Belarus near Vilna.  My husband's great-grandparents David Noakh KOVARSKY, son of Eliash, and Khana RABINOVICH, daughter of Movsha, were married in 1881 in Vilnius.  The indexed Vilnius record gives David Noakh's town as Sventzian (Svencionys) and Khana's town as Trogsky.  I have been unable to locate Trogsky on any map.  Other possible spellings of Trogsky could be Trotsky, Trokiski, or Trakiszki as found in searches at JewishGen.  There are also family connections in the Lida and Grodno Governorates.  Thank you for any help in finding this town.
Carmen Guarino

Has anyone given a gravestone to a family member that didnt have one due to "suicide"? #usa

Sharon Ann Dror

This is an unusual question...

There is a family member who is buried outside of the Jewish cemetery - away from his family due to being an alcoholic per his death certificate. Some of his relatives claimed it was suicide or overdose. He does not have any marker on his spot. The cemetery does have his exact location and his name & info on records. He was only 27 years old when he died in New York City in 1987.

Would it be acceptable for a family member to decide to give him a gravestone? Any specific Orthodox rules that they need to follow? His parents, divorced, and remarried are buried elsewhere. No one in the family wants to talk about him except one cousin. 

We all know that mental health awareness is so different today than what it was 35 years ago. 

May Aaron rest in peace...

Your input would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you
Sharon Ann Dror

How to handle wrong name on gravestone despite his birth and death certificate name? #usa

Sharon Ann Dror

This is probably unusual.

There is a Hirsch Manischewitz who is buried at Mount Nebo in Miami, FL. His birth AND death certificate says HIRSCH MANISCHEWITZ.

His mother was married 4 times. Her first husband is Hirsch's father. Remarried to a Goldman and they had one son (he passed) and third husband was a Farr. They have one daughter who is still living. I will call her J. Then remarried fourth time to a Landis. I have the whole Farr family tree. I dont want to use the full names since J. is still living and doesnt want anything to do with the Farr family. 

Hirsch died when he was 11 years old in 1955 of leukemia. They put his name as HIRSCH FARR with step father Farr's Hebrew name on his gravestone. He knew his step father for less than a few years. 

I contacted Mount Nebo to inquire in getting a new footstone for Hirsch with his biological father's last name Manischewitz and his father's Hebrew name. They said I have to contact J. Farr as she is the sole living member - next of kin. I contacted her and offered to take care of Hirsch's footstone. She never met him as she was born 4 years later after Hirsch passed. She has no connections with her father since she was a little girl and has no interest at all. At first, she said she wouldnt care if I wanted to change the footstone then the cemetery needed her to confirm that she is giving me authorization. She doesnt want anything to do with the cemetery. and doesnt want to contact them. So I am stuck in not being able to do anything...

Hirsch has 3 living half sisters through his father's side. They dont know anything about the Farr's. Hirsch is buried with the whole Farr family plot... including his mother's 4th husband with no marker. Would they have any legal right to make this request? Are they also considered the next of kin? Some cemeteries are flexible with documentation evidence and paying for it while other cemetery rely on next of kin. I gave them Hirsch birth and death certificate. They dont care. They said they need J to call and say its okay...

Appreciate your input.

Sharon Ann Dror

Re: Stamps on Postcard sent from Gross-Rosen camp #holocaust

Peter Lobbenberg

I must apologise for my inaccurate reply yesterday. 
Firstly, the image of your mother's postcard did not show up on my screen: I find it only now, by clicking the little green box that appears below your signature and the line beginning "WEINSTOCK, HERZHAFT (and more)".   
Secondly, the German Wikipedia entry to which I gave a link should be disregarded: it refers to a different Schömberg. in SW Germany south of Stuttgart.  It's confusing that there were two different camps with the same name!
Thirdly, on looking into this further, there is a question mark about the accuracy of the English Wikipedia entry, although it takes its source from  I don't speak Polish and have used Google Translate, but that website claims that there was a branch of the Groß Rosen camp at "Chełmsk Śląski" i.e. Schömberg.  No such branch, or subcamp or satellite camp, is mentioned in Megargee's monumental work The United States Holocaust Memorial Museum Encyclopedia of Camps and Ghettos, 1933-1945, Volume I: Early Camps, Youth Camps, and Concentration Camps and Subcamps under the SS-Business Administration Main Office,  although it devotes no less than 113 pages (pp 699-812)  to the Groß Rosen subcamp system.  (I accessed it via, login required: it can also be downloaded via, but you need to fill in a questionnare first.) 

More significantly perhaps, Megarhee states "The  Gross-Rosen subcamp system began to develop in October 1943. In 1942, a  Gross-Rosen subcamp had been established at the  SS-Ersatzbataillon in  Breslau-Lissa. In 1943, another 4 subcamps  were established in Hirschberg, Treskau, Dyhernfurth, and Fünfteichen."  Having now had the opportunity to examine your mother's postcard more closely, I'm satisfied that the postmark is dated 24.3.1943 (24 March 1943) which pre-dates the development of the Groß Rosen subcamp system.  I don't claim to be an expert but it looks to me like, despite its geographical proximity, Schömberg was not part of the Groß Rosen network.

Moreover, nearby Landeshut did not open as a subcamp of Groß Rosen until 16 July 1944 (see Megharee page 758), well over a year after your mother wrote.  

And on looking at the postmarks more closely, the explanation becomes a little clearer.  The larger handstamp (circle with a large Z in the middle) is not an official postmark, but a private handstamp of the camp.  The inscription in the top half is partly obscured, but reads "Johannes Figge, Schömberg [...]" while the bottom inscription - and here's the clue - reads "Z. A. Lager".  "Z.A." is short for Zwangsarbeit - that is to say, Schömberg was a forced labour camp, as distinct from a concentration camp.

Sure enough, here's a description: 

Google Translate:

Forced labor camp for Jews
Poland, Lower Silesian Voivodeship, District of Kamienna Góra, Gmina Lubawka
Opening: March 1941
Closing: May 1944
Prisoners: Belgians, Czechs, Yugoslavs, Poles, Russians and Jews
Gender: Women
Deployment of the prisoners at: Figge company; Kramsta-Methner and Prahne
Type of work: flax retting*; spinning, weaving
(* I wasn't familiar with the term 'flax retting', but there's a Wikipedia entry for it - PL)

There is still a small cemetery on the road to Liebau where 77 prisoners from six nationalities rest in a mass grave.
The Russian military entered the city on May 10, 1945.

Lastly: Not that I would ever expect you to want to sell this postcard, but I'm guessing that the unusual handstamp could make it quite a valuable specialised item to philatelists and postal history collectors!

Hope this helps, and I'm sorry again for my garbled posting yesterday.

Peter Lobbenberg

Apologies also to Claudia Witte-Kirschbaum, your post appeared as I was originally typing this.

reconciling documents with different maiden names for my maternal gg grandmother #names #romania

Aline Petzold

Hello All:
 I have a quandary regarding my maternal great great grandmother( Gitla Vigderovici)'s maiden name.  I have a death certificate stating that she was the daughter of "Burat & Hana Grimberg".  I also have her listed on the marriage certificate of her daughter Rifka, giving her father's name as "Avram Grimberg".  Both these documents list her husband's as Hersh Vigderovici and the place where she lived as "Stefanesti Targ", which I know to be accurate.  I have tried , without success to verify which of these names is the true one- or could it be that her father's name was Burat- Avram?  Any suggestions?
Thank you.
Aline Petzold St. Paul MN USA

Sephardic Genealogy #sephardic

David Mendoza

Unfortunately I have some health issues and often cannot answer messages as quickly as I would wish. Thank you for your understanding. Best wishes, David


David Mendoza

Sephardic Genealogy



Email: david@...




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