Dear Jewishgenners:

Viewmate 1133 is a bitmap image of the birth town my great-grandmother
claimed, as listed on the Ellis Island ship's manifest. The ship was the
"Czar", arriving in New York on 29 July 1914. Her name was Hinda Kigel.

My great-grandmother was >from the Zhitomir, Ukraine, area. Just before
emigration, she and her 4 children lived with her sister in Berdichev. In
New York, she met her husband, my great-grandfather, who arrived 3 years
earlier.

Most of the extended family is >from Zhitomir. Can anyone read this
handwriting, and tell me if VM1133 says her birthplace was "Zhitomir", or
something completely different? The first letter looks like a "K" to me.

Thanks.

-Stephen Cohen
scohen@...

MODERATOR NOTE: The direct URL for this image is
<http://www.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/source/vm1133.html>.

In article <3C2F12D6.AD9D5FD9@...>, Martin and Elaine Sinaisky
<sinaisky@...> wrote:

I have been told that the Russian given names of "Vassily" and "Ivan"
are usually not given to Jewish people. I realize that there will be
exceptions, but is this generally true?

Well, as here, Jews generally avoid names of saints; more to the point,
they usually had their own names, as you well know.

But it's possible to "share" names, such as Lev. It looks like
a form of "Leo" to a Russian and a form of "Levi" to a Jew.
"The Origin of Jewish Surnames" (by Benzion Kaganoff) tells of
Levin "becoming" a Jewish surname thanks to its use in "Anna
Karenina" by Tolstoy about the time Jews in Russia were taking
surnames. The name "looks Jewish" to us and now so many Russian
Jews are named Levin, Levinskiy, etc. that Russians think it's
a Jewish name!

Dear Jewishgenners:

Viewmate 1133 is a bitmap image of the birth town my great-grandmother
claimed, as listed on the Ellis Island ship's manifest. The ship was the
"Czar", arriving in New York on 29 July 1914. Her name was Hinda Kigel.

My great-grandmother was >from the Zhitomir, Ukraine, area. Just before
emigration, she and her 4 children lived with her sister in Berdichev. In
New York, she met her husband, my great-grandfather, who arrived 3 years
earlier.

Most of the extended family is >from Zhitomir. Can anyone read this
handwriting, and tell me if VM1133 says her birthplace was "Zhitomir", or
something completely different? The first letter looks like a "K" to me.

Thanks.

-Stephen Cohen
scohen@...

MODERATOR NOTE: The direct URL for this image is
<http://www.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/source/vm1133.html>.

In article <3C2F12D6.AD9D5FD9@...>, Martin and Elaine Sinaisky
<sinaisky@...> wrote:

I have been told that the Russian given names of "Vassily" and "Ivan"
are usually not given to Jewish people. I realize that there will be
exceptions, but is this generally true?

Well, as here, Jews generally avoid names of saints; more to the point,
they usually had their own names, as you well know.

But it's possible to "share" names, such as Lev. It looks like
a form of "Leo" to a Russian and a form of "Levi" to a Jew.
"The Origin of Jewish Surnames" (by Benzion Kaganoff) tells of
Levin "becoming" a Jewish surname thanks to its use in "Anna
Karenina" by Tolstoy about the time Jews in Russia were taking
surnames. The name "looks Jewish" to us and now so many Russian
Jews are named Levin, Levinskiy, etc. that Russians think it's
a Jewish name!

The Disna Uyezd Research Group is happy to announce the availability
of the translation of the 1850 Revision List for the town of Druya to
DURG members.

We already have translations for Bildyugi, Diszna, Glubokoye,
Postavy, Plisa and Sharkovshina. Bildyugi (Bilziugi) and Diszna are
already in the ALD, Glebokie (Glubokoye) and Postavy will soon be
added, the others to follow in several months.

Our next tasks will include the translations of for the shtetlach of
Germanovichi, Golubicy, Leonpol, & Luzhek.

Please contact me if you are interested in the Disna Uyezd Research
Group.
--
Batya Matzkin Olsen, Concord, Massachusetts USA
batya@...
Researching: EISENSHMID/AJZENSHMIDT [any spelling] (Bialystok, PL),
KAYOTSKY (Vidzy, BY), KELMAN, KLONER (Postavy/Smorgon, BY),
MANFELD (Smorgon), MANFIELD (Sterling, Ill., US), RUNKIN,
MATZKIN (Vidzy & anywhere), ROSENBLUM (Postavy), SCHARER

Of course, I can't be certain, but it is possible that
Saba came >from Sabah, which means "morning" in Turkish
and I have seen it occasionally as a name in Izmir.
Since moving to Antalya, Turkey, I haven't seen that
name. I suppose it is a coincidence, but there does
not seem to be any Jewish population in Antalya, but
there are about 10,000 in Izmir.
David Silverman

--- Susana Leistner Bloch <bloch@...> wrote:

I was thrilled to read about the Brooklyn Naturalization Project.
I turned to it right away and found some long elusive info. about my
family's ancestors. I am sending for their records too. This is why
I support JewishGen financially - I have gotten more than my money's
worth already. I am so appreciative of all this great work. Thanks!!!

JewishGen is the Home for Jewish Genealogy on the Internet and
is by far the ***Best*** genealogy site and worthy of our
contributions and praise.

However, the credit for the Brooklyn Naturalization Project goes
to JGSNY, the Jewish Genealogy Society of New York City,
Estelle Guzik, and all the other volunteers.

Their website and the Naturalization database can be found at
<http://www.jgsny.org/>.

Mark Halpern
West Conshohocken, PA, USA

The Disna Uyezd Research Group is happy to announce the availability
of the translation of the 1850 Revision List for the town of Druya to
DURG members.

We already have translations for Bildyugi, Diszna, Glubokoye,
Postavy, Plisa and Sharkovshina. Bildyugi (Bilziugi) and Diszna are
already in the ALD, Glebokie (Glubokoye) and Postavy will soon be
added, the others to follow in several months.

Our next tasks will include the translations of for the shtetlach of
Germanovichi, Golubicy, Leonpol, & Luzhek.

Please contact me if you are interested in the Disna Uyezd Research
Group.
--
Batya Matzkin Olsen, Concord, Massachusetts USA
batya@...
Researching: EISENSHMID/AJZENSHMIDT [any spelling] (Bialystok, PL),
KAYOTSKY (Vidzy, BY), KELMAN, KLONER (Postavy/Smorgon, BY),
MANFELD (Smorgon), MANFIELD (Sterling, Ill., US), RUNKIN,
MATZKIN (Vidzy & anywhere), ROSENBLUM (Postavy), SCHARER

Of course, I can't be certain, but it is possible that
Saba came >from Sabah, which means "morning" in Turkish
and I have seen it occasionally as a name in Izmir.
Since moving to Antalya, Turkey, I haven't seen that
name. I suppose it is a coincidence, but there does
not seem to be any Jewish population in Antalya, but
there are about 10,000 in Izmir.
David Silverman

--- Susana Leistner Bloch <bloch@...> wrote:

I was thrilled to read about the Brooklyn Naturalization Project.
I turned to it right away and found some long elusive info. about my
family's ancestors. I am sending for their records too. This is why
I support JewishGen financially - I have gotten more than my money's
worth already. I am so appreciative of all this great work. Thanks!!!

JewishGen is the Home for Jewish Genealogy on the Internet and
is by far the ***Best*** genealogy site and worthy of our
contributions and praise.

However, the credit for the Brooklyn Naturalization Project goes
to JGSNY, the Jewish Genealogy Society of New York City,
Estelle Guzik, and all the other volunteers.

Their website and the Naturalization database can be found at
<http://www.jgsny.org/>.

Mark Halpern
West Conshohocken, PA, USA

Hi group,

I'm trying to figure out a possible connection to an Ostrovtzer Rebbe but
have very little information to go on. I'm not even sure which Ostrovtzer
Rebbe my grandfather was referring to as I'm told that there were a few
Rebbeim with that title. Two that I know of are:

1- Rav Yechiel Meir Halevy HALSTOCK 1852-1928 (born in Sabin, Poland)

2- Rav Yehoshua TRUNK. The first Ostrowca Rebbe. I have no information on
him.

All I was told about my possible connection is that my grandfather was
either directly descended >from an Ostrovtzer Rebbe (but which one) or that
he was closely related to him through my grandfather's mother - Chaia
Esther DZWONKOWSKI (about 1867 - 1911).

Chaia Esther DZWONKOWSKI was married to Yitzchok CYWINER (about 1865 -
1910). I believe that both the DZWONKOWSKI and CYWINER families were
originally >from Warsaw, Poland, but Yitzchak and Chaia Esther CYWINER
passed away in Wolomin, Poland. My grandfather, Abraham CYWINER, was the
second youngest of their 5 children.

I was told that the family often went to visit the Rebbe so he must have
lived close by to Warsaw or the surrounding towns.

If anyone has any information on the DZWONKOWSKI family, or any information
on any Ostrovtzer Rebbe I would love to hear back >from you.

Thank you very much,

Michael Trapunsky
Rego Park, Queens, New York
trapunsky@...

Hilary Henkin noticed the free program to send Hebrew e-mail
at <http://www.sahbak.com/>. Unfortunately, it is Windows-based, so
Mac users need not apply. That is probably not unreasonable >from an
Israeli perspective since the Mac hardly exists in Israel.

Jim
--
Jim Feldman
Newton, MA

I was fortunate to find a street map of Manchester/Salford circa 1910 at
a church sale while boating on the Avon about 25 years ago. There was no
Anchor Street listed.
David Paul
dpaul57764@...

I posted three stones to the Viewmate section and I would appreciate if a
few people could translate the entire stones for me into English. Its more
than just a name because the stones are entirely in Hebrew but I can see
that a lot of it is the traditional language used on stones. Please let me
know which of the stones you are translating because I do have three posted.

Many thanks for everyone's help. Also thanks to Joseph Herz fpr maintaining
this wonderful service on JewishGen. Here's the addresses for the files:

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/source/vm1150.html
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/source/vm1151.html
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/source/vm1152.html

Please reply to me directly on the translations. Thanks to all.

Allan Jordan

aejordan@...

Hi group,

I'm trying to figure out a possible connection to an Ostrovtzer Rebbe but
have very little information to go on. I'm not even sure which Ostrovtzer
Rebbe my grandfather was referring to as I'm told that there were a few
Rebbeim with that title. Two that I know of are:

1- Rav Yechiel Meir Halevy HALSTOCK 1852-1928 (born in Sabin, Poland)

2- Rav Yehoshua TRUNK. The first Ostrowca Rebbe. I have no information on
him.

All I was told about my possible connection is that my grandfather was
either directly descended >from an Ostrovtzer Rebbe (but which one) or that
he was closely related to him through my grandfather's mother - Chaia
Esther DZWONKOWSKI (about 1867 - 1911).

Chaia Esther DZWONKOWSKI was married to Yitzchok CYWINER (about 1865 -
1910). I believe that both the DZWONKOWSKI and CYWINER families were
originally >from Warsaw, Poland, but Yitzchak and Chaia Esther CYWINER
passed away in Wolomin, Poland. My grandfather, Abraham CYWINER, was the
second youngest of their 5 children.

I was told that the family often went to visit the Rebbe so he must have
lived close by to Warsaw or the surrounding towns.

If anyone has any information on the DZWONKOWSKI family, or any information
on any Ostrovtzer Rebbe I would love to hear back >from you.

Thank you very much,

Michael Trapunsky
Rego Park, Queens, New York
trapunsky@...

I was fortunate to find a street map of Manchester/Salford circa 1910 at
a church sale while boating on the Avon about 25 years ago. There was no
Anchor Street listed.
David Paul
dpaul57764@...

I posted three stones to the Viewmate section and I would appreciate if a
few people could translate the entire stones for me into English. Its more
than just a name because the stones are entirely in Hebrew but I can see
that a lot of it is the traditional language used on stones. Please let me
know which of the stones you are translating because I do have three posted.

Many thanks for everyone's help. Also thanks to Joseph Herz fpr maintaining
this wonderful service on JewishGen. Here's the addresses for the files:

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/source/vm1150.html
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/source/vm1151.html
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/source/vm1152.html

Please reply to me directly on the translations. Thanks to all.

Allan Jordan

aejordan@...

Hilary Henkin noticed the free program to send Hebrew e-mail
at <http://www.sahbak.com/>. Unfortunately, it is Windows-based, so
Mac users need not apply. That is probably not unreasonable >from an
Israeli perspective since the Mac hardly exists in Israel.

Jim
--
Jim Feldman
Newton, MA

On 12/29/2001 at 3:40 PM Anita Springer wrote:

I was thrilled to read about the Brooklyn Naturalization Project.
I turned to it right away and found some long elusive info. about my
family's ancestors. I am sending for their records too. This is why
I support JewishGen financially - I have gotten more than my money's
worth already. I am so appreciative of all this great work. Thanks!!!

While your support for JewishGen is very much welcome, appreciated and
encouraged, please be aware that the Brooklyn Naturalization Project is
solely a project of the Jewish Genealogical Society, Inc. [New York]
(hereinafter referred to as the JGSNY), in joint partnership with the
Italian Genealogical Group and the German Genealogy Group. The JGSNY was
the winner of the International Association of Jewish Genealogical
Societies (IAJGS) 2001 Outstanding Projects Award for the Brooklyn
Naturalization Project, along with two other JGSNY projects, Burial
Societies in the New York Metropolitan Area and New York Landsmanshaftn and
other Jewish Organizations. The results of these projects are on the JGSNY
web site at <http://www.jgsny.org>.

Ada Greenblatt
JGSNY Member and Volunteer
ada.Greenblatt@...

On 12/29/2001 at 3:40 PM Anita Springer wrote:

I was thrilled to read about the Brooklyn Naturalization Project.
I turned to it right away and found some long elusive info. about my
family's ancestors. I am sending for their records too. This is why
I support JewishGen financially - I have gotten more than my money's
worth already. I am so appreciative of all this great work. Thanks!!!

While your support for JewishGen is very much welcome, appreciated and
encouraged, please be aware that the Brooklyn Naturalization Project is
solely a project of the Jewish Genealogical Society, Inc. [New York]
(hereinafter referred to as the JGSNY), in joint partnership with the
Italian Genealogical Group and the German Genealogy Group. The JGSNY was
the winner of the International Association of Jewish Genealogical
Societies (IAJGS) 2001 Outstanding Projects Award for the Brooklyn
Naturalization Project, along with two other JGSNY projects, Burial
Societies in the New York Metropolitan Area and New York Landsmanshaftn and
other Jewish Organizations. The results of these projects are on the JGSNY
web site at <http://www.jgsny.org>.

Ada Greenblatt
JGSNY Member and Volunteer
ada.Greenblatt@...