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Re: Lachva (Lakhva) #belarus

Larry Gaum <lgaum@...>
 

Leonid:
Too bad it is not in english. I would be the first one to buy a copy. I'm
willing to bet that there are others among us who would do the same. Maybe
the author can be persuaded to translate into an english copy. I just don't
have the energy to start with Russian translations.

When I visited Lachva in 1994, I videotaped a former resident and survivor
describe the horror of the slaughter when the SS Einszattsgruppen rounded up
the jewish residents. He spoke in Yiddish and I can understand 90% of his
account. Very dramatic, very sad. I have described some of these scenes in
my book">from belarus To Cape Breton And Beyond."
Larry Gaum


Belarus SIG #Belarus Re: Lachva (Lakhva) #belarus

Larry Gaum <lgaum@...>
 

Leonid:
Too bad it is not in english. I would be the first one to buy a copy. I'm
willing to bet that there are others among us who would do the same. Maybe
the author can be persuaded to translate into an english copy. I just don't
have the energy to start with Russian translations.

When I visited Lachva in 1994, I videotaped a former resident and survivor
describe the horror of the slaughter when the SS Einszattsgruppen rounded up
the jewish residents. He spoke in Yiddish and I can understand 90% of his
account. Very dramatic, very sad. I have described some of these scenes in
my book">from belarus To Cape Breton And Beyond."
Larry Gaum


WWII Jewish soldiers #belarus

Schelly Dardashti <dardasht@...>
 

There is an interesting book in Russian, brought back
to Tel Aviv by a JFRA member:

"Memorial Book of Jewish Soldiers killed in Battle with the Nazis"
Moscow 1997, vol.4
An example of the information, page 48, is the
following:

Talalai Efim son of Michael, 1898 - 1944 (1946). Called
up in Moscow. Private.
Perished. /KPM (book of memorial Moscow) vol. 12, p
499/.

Talalai Jakov son of Leibe, 1916 - 1941. Born in
Moscow. Political instructor, 175 motorized-rifle
regiment. Killed in battle. /same source as above/.

What is interesting about Efim is that he did not die,
but was sent to the US as a POW, was interned until
after the war. He eventually returned to Russia because
he thought it was his patriotic duty. Unfortunately, on
his arrival he was placed in a gulag because they
couldn't understand why a Jew would come back >from the
US and therefore he must be a traitor or spy.
Eventually he was rehabilitated, continued his studies
and became a respected astronomer at a university in
the Urals (there is a Russian webpage about him), and
just died a few years ago.

I also knew about Yakov son of Leib. He was killed.

I asked about the word "perished" in connection with
Efim, because we knew the story, and she replied:

In the book it is written in Russian - 'propal bez vesti.'
I looked up the dictionary there was no direct translation for
- "being lost without leaving a sign."
Perished is possibly not the best translation.
I have asked our member about contact information for
the publishers.
Perhaps we can get permission to post the list as part
of some database?

Schelly Talalay Dardashti
Tel Aviv
dardasht@...


Belarus SIG #Belarus WWII Jewish soldiers #belarus

Schelly Dardashti <dardasht@...>
 

There is an interesting book in Russian, brought back
to Tel Aviv by a JFRA member:

"Memorial Book of Jewish Soldiers killed in Battle with the Nazis"
Moscow 1997, vol.4
An example of the information, page 48, is the
following:

Talalai Efim son of Michael, 1898 - 1944 (1946). Called
up in Moscow. Private.
Perished. /KPM (book of memorial Moscow) vol. 12, p
499/.

Talalai Jakov son of Leibe, 1916 - 1941. Born in
Moscow. Political instructor, 175 motorized-rifle
regiment. Killed in battle. /same source as above/.

What is interesting about Efim is that he did not die,
but was sent to the US as a POW, was interned until
after the war. He eventually returned to Russia because
he thought it was his patriotic duty. Unfortunately, on
his arrival he was placed in a gulag because they
couldn't understand why a Jew would come back >from the
US and therefore he must be a traitor or spy.
Eventually he was rehabilitated, continued his studies
and became a respected astronomer at a university in
the Urals (there is a Russian webpage about him), and
just died a few years ago.

I also knew about Yakov son of Leib. He was killed.

I asked about the word "perished" in connection with
Efim, because we knew the story, and she replied:

In the book it is written in Russian - 'propal bez vesti.'
I looked up the dictionary there was no direct translation for
- "being lost without leaving a sign."
Perished is possibly not the best translation.
I have asked our member about contact information for
the publishers.
Perhaps we can get permission to post the list as part
of some database?

Schelly Talalay Dardashti
Tel Aviv
dardasht@...


GNDB HINTS & KINKS 1: Given Names Data Bases & Yiddish dialects #belarus

David M. Fox <davefox73@...>
 

Professor Esterson has asked me to post this message to the SIG.

Dave

--
David Fox
Mail to: davefox73@...
Belarus SIG Coordinator
Arnold, MD USA
http://www.jewishgen.org/belarus

************************************


Dear BelarusSIGers,

The purpose of this "Hints & Kinks" posting is to help you solve problems
associated with the state of development of the specific GNDB data base you
want to use.

The new set of 15 Given Names Data Bases provides excellent opportunities
to find additional given names which may appear for your ancestors in
various European archival documents. Since this is an on-going project, we
are updating the data bases and text files periodically (the next update
will be posted next month.) This factor has implications for how you might
want to use other GNDBs if the one for your particular European country of
interest is less developed than that of some other countries.

You can visit the URL <http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/GivenNames/> and
examine the large table there which summarizes the state of development of
each European country's project in terms of a number of project phases and
foreign-country vernacular names. This table is updated when new names are
added to the data bases. Here is a short summary, breaking up the European
countries into three approximate-development groups:

Advanced: Belarus, Lithuania, Poland
Medium: Galicia, Germany, Holland, Hungary, Latvia, Ukraine
Elementary: Denmark, France, Prussia, Romania, Russia, Sweden

"Elementary" means that the data base has a set of basic legal names plus a
sometimes small number of other European Jewish names added. "Medium"
means that certain project phases are well advanced, while others are not,
and that some foreign vernacular names may be present. "Advanced " means
that the number and quality of European Jewish names is good to excellent,
and that the number of foreign vernacular names is medium to good.

Now, what does this mean to you, if your particular country of interest is
not in the "Advanced" category? Here is one thing that you can do,
depending on the Yiddish dialect spoken in your European country.

There were four main Yiddish dialects in 19th-century Europe: Western,
Polish/Galician, Litvish, and Ukraine:

Western: Denmark, France, Germany, Holland, Hungary, Prussia, West
Romania,
Sweden
Polish: Poland, West Galicia
Litvish: Belarus, Latvia, Lithuania, Suwalk Gubernya, Northeastern
Ukraine
Ukraine: East Galicia, East Romania, Ukraine (except northeastern)

Those countries where Western Yiddish was spoken actually used a number of
somewhat different sub-dialects of "Western" Yiddish; the other three
dialects were much more uniformly spoken in their countries. Due to
migrations within Europe, there was some redistribution of Yiddish
dialects. To a certain extent, however, the different cultures of the Jews
and their choices of given names reflected the Yiddish dialect they
spoke. You can visit the following page in the JewishGen Given Names Data
Base web site to obtain more regional
details: <http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/GivenNames/geografc.htm> .

The upshot is, for example, that if you are researching in France
("Elementary") where the data base is somewhat sparse, you might also
consider searching in the German data base ("Medium") -- it is adjacent to
France, both countries spoke "Western" Yiddish, they handed a part of their
boundary areas back and forth a few times, and you might just find some
additional names that apply to your research. Similar thinking applies to
other European country pairs where the two were adjacent and spoke the same
Yiddish dialect.

Similarly, by examining the data bases of the "Big Three" (Belarus,
Lithuania, Poland), you may get good ideas about other names that you have
seen but not considered for your ancestors. A lot of the given names
throughout Europe were well-shared among all of the countries, even though
specific countries had their own preferences for some names. Furthermore,
the basic set of Hebrew names used to initiate each country's data base
represents quite well the common choice by all regions of this small set of
names, followed by the addition of other preferred names.

Future "Hints & Kinks" will deal with how to use the Input Form to maximize
the efficiency of your name searches.

Good luck with your research.

Professor G. L. Esterson, Ra'anana, Israel


Belarus SIG #Belarus GNDB HINTS & KINKS 1: Given Names Data Bases & Yiddish dialects #belarus

David M. Fox <davefox73@...>
 

Professor Esterson has asked me to post this message to the SIG.

Dave

--
David Fox
Mail to: davefox73@...
Belarus SIG Coordinator
Arnold, MD USA
http://www.jewishgen.org/belarus

************************************


Dear BelarusSIGers,

The purpose of this "Hints & Kinks" posting is to help you solve problems
associated with the state of development of the specific GNDB data base you
want to use.

The new set of 15 Given Names Data Bases provides excellent opportunities
to find additional given names which may appear for your ancestors in
various European archival documents. Since this is an on-going project, we
are updating the data bases and text files periodically (the next update
will be posted next month.) This factor has implications for how you might
want to use other GNDBs if the one for your particular European country of
interest is less developed than that of some other countries.

You can visit the URL <http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/GivenNames/> and
examine the large table there which summarizes the state of development of
each European country's project in terms of a number of project phases and
foreign-country vernacular names. This table is updated when new names are
added to the data bases. Here is a short summary, breaking up the European
countries into three approximate-development groups:

Advanced: Belarus, Lithuania, Poland
Medium: Galicia, Germany, Holland, Hungary, Latvia, Ukraine
Elementary: Denmark, France, Prussia, Romania, Russia, Sweden

"Elementary" means that the data base has a set of basic legal names plus a
sometimes small number of other European Jewish names added. "Medium"
means that certain project phases are well advanced, while others are not,
and that some foreign vernacular names may be present. "Advanced " means
that the number and quality of European Jewish names is good to excellent,
and that the number of foreign vernacular names is medium to good.

Now, what does this mean to you, if your particular country of interest is
not in the "Advanced" category? Here is one thing that you can do,
depending on the Yiddish dialect spoken in your European country.

There were four main Yiddish dialects in 19th-century Europe: Western,
Polish/Galician, Litvish, and Ukraine:

Western: Denmark, France, Germany, Holland, Hungary, Prussia, West
Romania,
Sweden
Polish: Poland, West Galicia
Litvish: Belarus, Latvia, Lithuania, Suwalk Gubernya, Northeastern
Ukraine
Ukraine: East Galicia, East Romania, Ukraine (except northeastern)

Those countries where Western Yiddish was spoken actually used a number of
somewhat different sub-dialects of "Western" Yiddish; the other three
dialects were much more uniformly spoken in their countries. Due to
migrations within Europe, there was some redistribution of Yiddish
dialects. To a certain extent, however, the different cultures of the Jews
and their choices of given names reflected the Yiddish dialect they
spoke. You can visit the following page in the JewishGen Given Names Data
Base web site to obtain more regional
details: <http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/GivenNames/geografc.htm> .

The upshot is, for example, that if you are researching in France
("Elementary") where the data base is somewhat sparse, you might also
consider searching in the German data base ("Medium") -- it is adjacent to
France, both countries spoke "Western" Yiddish, they handed a part of their
boundary areas back and forth a few times, and you might just find some
additional names that apply to your research. Similar thinking applies to
other European country pairs where the two were adjacent and spoke the same
Yiddish dialect.

Similarly, by examining the data bases of the "Big Three" (Belarus,
Lithuania, Poland), you may get good ideas about other names that you have
seen but not considered for your ancestors. A lot of the given names
throughout Europe were well-shared among all of the countries, even though
specific countries had their own preferences for some names. Furthermore,
the basic set of Hebrew names used to initiate each country's data base
represents quite well the common choice by all regions of this small set of
names, followed by the addition of other preferred names.

Future "Hints & Kinks" will deal with how to use the Input Form to maximize
the efficiency of your name searches.

Good luck with your research.

Professor G. L. Esterson, Ra'anana, Israel


Meeting notice - JGS Broward Co (FtL) Florida - Topic: Toronto 2002 #general

Bernard Kouchel <koosh@...>
 

You are invited--

JGS Broward County (Fort Lauderdale, Florida)
Date: Wednesday January 16th, 7:30 PM
Place: David Posnack Jewish Community Center
5850 S. Pine Island Rd. (at Sterling Rd.)
(I-95 to I-595W, exit Pine Isl Rd, southbound to Sterling Rd.)
Weather forecast: Hi 75, lo 68

Guest Speaker: Henry Wellisch, JGS Toronto Canada

Topic: Toronto 2002: 22nd International Conference on Jewish Genealogy.
Learn more about the 2002 Conference to be held August 4-9 in Toronto,
Canada, hosted by the Jewish Genealogical Society of Canada (Toronto).
The Sheraton Centre Toronto hotel is the venue, and Toronto is a great
city to visit!

<koosh@...>
Bernard Kouchel
JGSBCFL


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Meeting notice - JGS Broward Co (FtL) Florida - Topic: Toronto 2002 #general

Bernard Kouchel <koosh@...>
 

You are invited--

JGS Broward County (Fort Lauderdale, Florida)
Date: Wednesday January 16th, 7:30 PM
Place: David Posnack Jewish Community Center
5850 S. Pine Island Rd. (at Sterling Rd.)
(I-95 to I-595W, exit Pine Isl Rd, southbound to Sterling Rd.)
Weather forecast: Hi 75, lo 68

Guest Speaker: Henry Wellisch, JGS Toronto Canada

Topic: Toronto 2002: 22nd International Conference on Jewish Genealogy.
Learn more about the 2002 Conference to be held August 4-9 in Toronto,
Canada, hosted by the Jewish Genealogical Society of Canada (Toronto).
The Sheraton Centre Toronto hotel is the venue, and Toronto is a great
city to visit!

<koosh@...>
Bernard Kouchel
JGSBCFL


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine RE: INFO RE TOWNS NEAR ODESSA-BERSHAD/BOGOPOL #ukraine

Paul Finelt <paul@...>
 

Larry,
My father's family was >from Bershad. If you go, please contact me. I
would appreciate exchanging some information. Does your mother know of
any stories >from the town? I know there was a Dr. Feldman >from Bershad
who led the Jewish Defense Group there. He was killed in a raid. Is he a
relative? I can give you more details if you'd like.

There is a Jewish cemetery in Bershad and Ol'gopol. I believe you would
find some remnants of the Jewish community there. I also understand that
there is a regular trip to the area by some Chasid's ( followers of the
Bershader Rebbe ?) who visit his gravesite on his yarzeit.

Looking forward to hearing >from you.

Paul Finelt, researching
WEINSTEIN - FINELT - LOTTERSTEIN - FRANZUS -in the towns of BERSHAD -
OL'GOPOL - CHASHUVATE - TEPLIK
SILBERFEIN in ODESSA


Original Message
From: Lawrence Diamond [mailto:ldmtl@...]
INFO RE TOWNS NEAR ODESSA-BERSHAD/BOGOPOL


Re: INFO RE TOWNS NEAR ODESSA-BERSHAD/BOGOPOL #ukraine

Paul Finelt <paul@...>
 

Larry,
My father's family was >from Bershad. If you go, please contact me. I
would appreciate exchanging some information. Does your mother know of
any stories >from the town? I know there was a Dr. Feldman >from Bershad
who led the Jewish Defense Group there. He was killed in a raid. Is he a
relative? I can give you more details if you'd like.

There is a Jewish cemetery in Bershad and Ol'gopol. I believe you would
find some remnants of the Jewish community there. I also understand that
there is a regular trip to the area by some Chasid's ( followers of the
Bershader Rebbe ?) who visit his gravesite on his yarzeit.

Looking forward to hearing >from you.

Paul Finelt, researching
WEINSTEIN - FINELT - LOTTERSTEIN - FRANZUS -in the towns of BERSHAD -
OL'GOPOL - CHASHUVATE - TEPLIK
SILBERFEIN in ODESSA


Original Message
From: Lawrence Diamond [mailto:ldmtl@...]
INFO RE TOWNS NEAR ODESSA-BERSHAD/BOGOPOL


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re: Halperns from KP #ukraine

Les Eldridge <leseld@...>
 

My maternal gm, nee HALPERIN, or HALPERN, born and raised in Warsaw, came
to Ellis Is. in 1920. One married HALPERIN sister was here already. The
husband of another came on the boat with my GM.
Any possible leads?

Les Eldridge,
Queens, NY, USA


Re: Halperns from KP #ukraine

Les Eldridge <leseld@...>
 

My maternal gm, nee HALPERIN, or HALPERN, born and raised in Warsaw, came
to Ellis Is. in 1920. One married HALPERIN sister was here already. The
husband of another came on the boat with my GM.
Any possible leads?

Les Eldridge,
Queens, NY, USA


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re: Baron de Hirsh colonies #ukraine

Yekkey@...
 

from 1970 until 1972 I was in the United States Air Force stationed in
North Dakota. At the time there appeared in one of the local history
magazines an article about Jewish farm settlements in North Dakota.

Many of the settler's descendants wound up in the Twin Cities. There is a
very active Jewish Historical Society of Minnesota and the Dakotas in the
Twin Cities where I lived >from 1972 until 1987. You can probably reach
them by contacting the American Jewish World in Minneapolis at
amjewish@....
If they will not help you write back to me and I will obtain the address
for you.

The Society published a book named "And Prairie Dogs Were Not Kosher" about
the experiences of the female settlers.

Most of the people I knew originated around Odessa.

Good luck and best regards,

Dan Nussbaum

Searching for
NUSSBAUM, KATZENSTEIN-Raboldshausen, Bad Hersfeld and Rhina Germany
TEPLITZKY, BENDERSKY, KASZKIET, KASHKET, GREENBERG-Uman, Ukraine
ROSENTHAL, S(C)HENK(EL)MAN-Zinkov, Ukraine
BILD, KASHLEVSKY-anywhere


Re: Baron de Hirsh colonies #ukraine

Yekkey@...
 

from 1970 until 1972 I was in the United States Air Force stationed in
North Dakota. At the time there appeared in one of the local history
magazines an article about Jewish farm settlements in North Dakota.

Many of the settler's descendants wound up in the Twin Cities. There is a
very active Jewish Historical Society of Minnesota and the Dakotas in the
Twin Cities where I lived >from 1972 until 1987. You can probably reach
them by contacting the American Jewish World in Minneapolis at
amjewish@....
If they will not help you write back to me and I will obtain the address
for you.

The Society published a book named "And Prairie Dogs Were Not Kosher" about
the experiences of the female settlers.

Most of the people I knew originated around Odessa.

Good luck and best regards,

Dan Nussbaum

Searching for
NUSSBAUM, KATZENSTEIN-Raboldshausen, Bad Hersfeld and Rhina Germany
TEPLITZKY, BENDERSKY, KASZKIET, KASHKET, GREENBERG-Uman, Ukraine
ROSENTHAL, S(C)HENK(EL)MAN-Zinkov, Ukraine
BILD, KASHLEVSKY-anywhere


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re: Baron de Hirsh colonies #ukraine

Claire Petersky
 

--- Dorothy Kohanski <dkohanski@...> wrote:
My family went to the one he established in North Dakota (Dakota
Territory then) - Painted Woods. There was also one,
I think, at or near Fargo, North Dakota.
My Latvia-born ggrandfather and gguncle were in a colony near Devil's
Lake, North Dakota. When I was hunting everywhere for their naturalization
papers, I had no idea they'd be in the Ramsey County Courthouse, ND. The
only way I found them was a relative who seemed to remember a rumor that
they had been in South Dakota for a spell. The rumor was close enough that
I was finally able to track down where they had lived.

Both the stories >from their lives in Devil's Lake, and the stories of my
Ukrainian-born ancestors of their lives in "New Jerusalem", a colony in
Manitoba sound horrible. Their lives were incredibly harsh in these
places, and it is no wonder to me that the residents of "New Jerusalem"
mostly ended up in Winnepeg instead. However, both my Latvia-born and
Ukraine-born ancestors went west, and ended up in Seattle and Vancouver
BC, respectively.

Claire Petersky
(cpetersky@...)


Re: Baron de Hirsh colonies #ukraine

Claire Petersky
 

--- Dorothy Kohanski <dkohanski@...> wrote:
My family went to the one he established in North Dakota (Dakota
Territory then) - Painted Woods. There was also one,
I think, at or near Fargo, North Dakota.
My Latvia-born ggrandfather and gguncle were in a colony near Devil's
Lake, North Dakota. When I was hunting everywhere for their naturalization
papers, I had no idea they'd be in the Ramsey County Courthouse, ND. The
only way I found them was a relative who seemed to remember a rumor that
they had been in South Dakota for a spell. The rumor was close enough that
I was finally able to track down where they had lived.

Both the stories >from their lives in Devil's Lake, and the stories of my
Ukrainian-born ancestors of their lives in "New Jerusalem", a colony in
Manitoba sound horrible. Their lives were incredibly harsh in these
places, and it is no wonder to me that the residents of "New Jerusalem"
mostly ended up in Winnepeg instead. However, both my Latvia-born and
Ukraine-born ancestors went west, and ended up in Seattle and Vancouver
BC, respectively.

Claire Petersky
(cpetersky@...)


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine INFO RE TOWNS NEAR ODESSA-BERSHAD/BOGOPOL #ukraine

Lawrence Diamond <ldmtl@...>
 

My grandparents (maternal) came >from Bogopol and Bershad near Odessa in
province of Podolia, name of FELDMAN. They came to Canada 1908/1909.
My mother is in great shape at 82 and I am thinking of travelling with her
to the "old country" with my brother if I can find something to go to, and
see if there are some trace of her relatives there - records, cemetaries
(headstones) etc. more info on these places would be appreciated,
especially >from people who know or who may have visited them at some time.

Can anyone assist me?

Larry Diamond

Happy New Year - wishing everyone a healthy, happy and prosperous 2002


INFO RE TOWNS NEAR ODESSA-BERSHAD/BOGOPOL #ukraine

Lawrence Diamond <ldmtl@...>
 

My grandparents (maternal) came >from Bogopol and Bershad near Odessa in
province of Podolia, name of FELDMAN. They came to Canada 1908/1909.
My mother is in great shape at 82 and I am thinking of travelling with her
to the "old country" with my brother if I can find something to go to, and
see if there are some trace of her relatives there - records, cemetaries
(headstones) etc. more info on these places would be appreciated,
especially >from people who know or who may have visited them at some time.

Can anyone assist me?

Larry Diamond

Happy New Year - wishing everyone a healthy, happy and prosperous 2002


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Ukraine and Argentina, 1890 #ukraine

joan breslow <webjoan@...>
 

Have written personally to Mario, in Israel - re: Baron de Hirsch, Ukraine
and Argentina, 1890. No response. Was the post received?

Joan Breslow
webjoan@...


Ukraine and Argentina, 1890 #ukraine

joan breslow <webjoan@...>
 

Have written personally to Mario, in Israel - re: Baron de Hirsch, Ukraine
and Argentina, 1890. No response. Was the post received?

Joan Breslow
webjoan@...