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The Surname BIENIASZ #hungary

Zara <ursassy@...>
 

I have been researching my G-grandmother's surname
BIENIASZ. They had lived in Ferdinansburg and later
movied to Karanesbes. Johanna Bieniasz Gongal died
1914 in the town of Karanesbes. Bieniasz is a given
Ashkenazic given name, can anyone tell me the meaning?

Zara Smith (ursassy@...)


Hungary SIG #Hungary The Surname BIENIASZ #hungary

Zara <ursassy@...>
 

I have been researching my G-grandmother's surname
BIENIASZ. They had lived in Ferdinansburg and later
movied to Karanesbes. Johanna Bieniasz Gongal died
1914 in the town of Karanesbes. Bieniasz is a given
Ashkenazic given name, can anyone tell me the meaning?

Zara Smith (ursassy@...)


Re: Occupation "Telekkonyvvezeto"?? #hungary

tom klein <tom_klein@...>
 

hi,

"telekko:nyv" is the land registry, and "telekko:nyvvezeto:" is the registrar of properties. "telek" and "telefon" are two different things.

regards,


....... tom klein, toronto

I have a document dated 2/7/1914 which states that Szeszler Samu, my
gg father was appointed as the Kapuvari "Telekkonyvvezeto" with an
annual salary of 1600 korona and benefits. Can anyone translate this
occupation for me? Thanks.

rita mandl

Moderator VK: Thanks to everyone who took the time to provide the correct translation!


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Occupation "Telekkonyvvezeto"?? #hungary

tom klein <tom_klein@...>
 

hi,

"telekko:nyv" is the land registry, and "telekko:nyvvezeto:" is the registrar of properties. "telek" and "telefon" are two different things.

regards,


....... tom klein, toronto

I have a document dated 2/7/1914 which states that Szeszler Samu, my
gg father was appointed as the Kapuvari "Telekkonyvvezeto" with an
annual salary of 1600 korona and benefits. Can anyone translate this
occupation for me? Thanks.

rita mandl

Moderator VK: Thanks to everyone who took the time to provide the correct translation!


Re: Jewish communities in Slovakia #hungary

MGS18@...
 

For those of you who want to obtain the book Jewish communities in
Slovakia the title is:

Zidovske Nabozenske Obce na Slovensku by Eugen Barkany and Ludovit Dojc,
published
in Bratislava in 1991. The ISBN number is 80-85128-56-X.

I do not have a copy of the book but I viewed a copy that is at the NYPL
(Jewish Division) when I attended the 1999 IAJGS summer seminar in NY.

More detail can be found by searching the jewishgen hsig message archives
(May 11, 1999) using keyword <Jewish Communities in Slovakia>

Mindy Soclof


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Jewish communities in Slovakia #hungary

MGS18@...
 

For those of you who want to obtain the book Jewish communities in
Slovakia the title is:

Zidovske Nabozenske Obce na Slovensku by Eugen Barkany and Ludovit Dojc,
published
in Bratislava in 1991. The ISBN number is 80-85128-56-X.

I do not have a copy of the book but I viewed a copy that is at the NYPL
(Jewish Division) when I attended the 1999 IAJGS summer seminar in NY.

More detail can be found by searching the jewishgen hsig message archives
(May 11, 1999) using keyword <Jewish Communities in Slovakia>

Mindy Soclof


archivs #hungary

yitzhak tadmor <y_tadmor@...>
 

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I looking for the E mails, phon and fax numbers of the archivs of =
Presov, Polomka, Kosice, Brezno,
Ceski Tesin. any one can help me?

Yitzhak Tadmor

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Hungary SIG #Hungary archivs #hungary

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I looking for the E mails, phon and fax numbers of the archivs of =
Presov, Polomka, Kosice, Brezno,
Ceski Tesin. any one can help me?

Yitzhak Tadmor

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Re: Goldberger and Rosner #hungary

Volvi <volvi@...>
 

My apologies, I thought I corrected that, it should read Serbia just south
of Hungary part of former Yugoslavia.

Further details that may be of interest relating to my grandmother Regina
Rosner daughter of Aaron Rosner. Her sisters were Ester, Giza, Roszi and her
brothers Yankel, Shaya, Shmuel.

Giza's children were Lajos, Erno, & Anne LANG, who all moved to new York
prior to the war. Erno, whom I think was known as Eugene Lang was a known
editor of a newspaper in New York.

Roszi's children were Eliezer Friedman and Josef Friedman. Who may have
lived in Vienna or the USA after the war.

Ester's children were Mendu, Ila, Olga, Manci and a name not familiar to me
Holior.

For those that may find some of the above of any interest to them, I can
send a Gif of a tree with the above names that I drew up with my late father

Regards

Volvi

----- Original Message -----
From: "d pfalzer" <d_pfalzer@...>
To: "Volvi" <volvi@...>
Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2001 2:03 AM
Subject: Re: Goldberger. in Plain Text


To my understanding Slovakia is a totally separate
region >from Yugoslavia.

Could you mean Slovenia? My gf came >from what is now
Murska Sobota, Slovenia. Slovenia was once part of
Yugoslavia.

Denise


--- Volvi <volvi@...> wrote:
Hello Everyone,

I am new to the group and have just received my
first batch of SIG mail. Not
sure why it comes all at once, but nevertheless will
take this opportunity
to introduce myself and a little of my background in
case its of any
interest to any.

My name is Volvi Goldberger. My parents and family
came >from Kecskemet
Hungary, where they left in 1949 to Vienna spending
almost 5 years in the
Rothchild Lager as it was known then. My father
belonged to the Orthodox
Shull and not the Neologue. My grandfather was the
Chazan and Gabbe. before
Kecskemet they originated >from Mohol now Mol in
Slovakia (former
Yugoslavia).

Most of the Goldberger's perished in the Holocaust.
My father's mother's
maiden name was Regina Rosner.

More details of my family can be found at, for those
interested;
http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=an&p=Surnames.Goldberger

Would be interesting if some of those above
mentioned names may be of
interest to some.

Until next time.

Volvi


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Goldberger and Rosner #hungary

Volvi <volvi@...>
 

My apologies, I thought I corrected that, it should read Serbia just south
of Hungary part of former Yugoslavia.

Further details that may be of interest relating to my grandmother Regina
Rosner daughter of Aaron Rosner. Her sisters were Ester, Giza, Roszi and her
brothers Yankel, Shaya, Shmuel.

Giza's children were Lajos, Erno, & Anne LANG, who all moved to new York
prior to the war. Erno, whom I think was known as Eugene Lang was a known
editor of a newspaper in New York.

Roszi's children were Eliezer Friedman and Josef Friedman. Who may have
lived in Vienna or the USA after the war.

Ester's children were Mendu, Ila, Olga, Manci and a name not familiar to me
Holior.

For those that may find some of the above of any interest to them, I can
send a Gif of a tree with the above names that I drew up with my late father

Regards

Volvi

----- Original Message -----
From: "d pfalzer" <d_pfalzer@...>
To: "Volvi" <volvi@...>
Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2001 2:03 AM
Subject: Re: Goldberger. in Plain Text


To my understanding Slovakia is a totally separate
region >from Yugoslavia.

Could you mean Slovenia? My gf came >from what is now
Murska Sobota, Slovenia. Slovenia was once part of
Yugoslavia.

Denise


--- Volvi <volvi@...> wrote:
Hello Everyone,

I am new to the group and have just received my
first batch of SIG mail. Not
sure why it comes all at once, but nevertheless will
take this opportunity
to introduce myself and a little of my background in
case its of any
interest to any.

My name is Volvi Goldberger. My parents and family
came >from Kecskemet
Hungary, where they left in 1949 to Vienna spending
almost 5 years in the
Rothchild Lager as it was known then. My father
belonged to the Orthodox
Shull and not the Neologue. My grandfather was the
Chazan and Gabbe. before
Kecskemet they originated >from Mohol now Mol in
Slovakia (former
Yugoslavia).

Most of the Goldberger's perished in the Holocaust.
My father's mother's
maiden name was Regina Rosner.

More details of my family can be found at, for those
interested;
http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=an&p=Surnames.Goldberger

Would be interesting if some of those above
mentioned names may be of
interest to some.

Until next time.

Volvi


Re: old name for Szombathely #hungary

wmoneytalk <annemarie@...>
 

Was Szombathely named GUNS during Autro-Hungarian Empire? On the 1975 map
there is a place called GUNS where Szombathely appears to be now.

Would then a person named GUNSBERGER be possibily >from the town of Guns?

I have heard of my family mentioning Szombathely, but i don't remember any
mention on Guns.

Anne-Marie


Hungary SIG #Hungary RE: old name for Szombathely #hungary

wmoneytalk <annemarie@...>
 

Was Szombathely named GUNS during Autro-Hungarian Empire? On the 1975 map
there is a place called GUNS where Szombathely appears to be now.

Would then a person named GUNSBERGER be possibily >from the town of Guns?

I have heard of my family mentioning Szombathely, but i don't remember any
mention on Guns.

Anne-Marie


Place Names and Occupation Help #hungary

BORMANJL@...
 

Hello,
I have been following H-Sig for awhile but this is my first post. I am researching MALCZ/MALTZ and MOSKOVITZ of Kisvarda and Dombrad (or so I thought). I found the Birth records of my Grandfather Herman Malcz and his brothers at the Family History Library. These records raised many new questions. Maybe some of you could help.

1.The record shows their Mother Hani MOSKOVITZ was >from Kereszt....The writing is bad but I believe it is Keresztcsarda, near Nyirbator. I cannot find any information on this village. I see it on MapQuest and it appears to be in Szabolcs Megye, but their is a notation *Kereszt...Ung.m*. Does that mean Ung Megye?

2.Their Father Vilmos MALCZ was >from Nyirbator. Next to his name it says *Keraskado*. Was that an occupation?

3. One boy had a sponsor named Jacob Rosman of Padroka. I cannot find Padroka on MapQuest or the discussion Group archives.

Any help with these places and names would be greatly appreciated! Thank you in advance.

Julie Maltz Borman
Los Angeles, CA

Moderator VK: My father Elemer and his brothers Miksa and Lajos were born in a place in Ung megye called Kereszt that is now Kristy, Slovakia. Kereszt is about 5 km south of Sobrance (formerly Szobrancz), where my great-grandparents lived. Coincidentally, my grandmother's maiden name was Hermina (Chana bas Mordche haLevi) MOSKOVITS! But she married Viktor NEUMANN >from Szobrancz, not Mr. MALCZ. If the Kereszt you're looking for is near Nyirbator, however, it is not the same place because Nyirbator is quite a distance to the south in presentday Hungary. I can't help you with Padroka but is it possible that the place is Porubka? That is a place about 6 km northeast of Kereszt. Kereskado is probably a misspelling of Kereskedo, which is a tradesman, shopkeeper, merchant. (This one isn't a guess<grin> It's in my dictionary!)


Hungary SIG #Hungary Place Names and Occupation Help #hungary

BORMANJL@...
 

Hello,
I have been following H-Sig for awhile but this is my first post. I am researching MALCZ/MALTZ and MOSKOVITZ of Kisvarda and Dombrad (or so I thought). I found the Birth records of my Grandfather Herman Malcz and his brothers at the Family History Library. These records raised many new questions. Maybe some of you could help.

1.The record shows their Mother Hani MOSKOVITZ was >from Kereszt....The writing is bad but I believe it is Keresztcsarda, near Nyirbator. I cannot find any information on this village. I see it on MapQuest and it appears to be in Szabolcs Megye, but their is a notation *Kereszt...Ung.m*. Does that mean Ung Megye?

2.Their Father Vilmos MALCZ was >from Nyirbator. Next to his name it says *Keraskado*. Was that an occupation?

3. One boy had a sponsor named Jacob Rosman of Padroka. I cannot find Padroka on MapQuest or the discussion Group archives.

Any help with these places and names would be greatly appreciated! Thank you in advance.

Julie Maltz Borman
Los Angeles, CA

Moderator VK: My father Elemer and his brothers Miksa and Lajos were born in a place in Ung megye called Kereszt that is now Kristy, Slovakia. Kereszt is about 5 km south of Sobrance (formerly Szobrancz), where my great-grandparents lived. Coincidentally, my grandmother's maiden name was Hermina (Chana bas Mordche haLevi) MOSKOVITS! But she married Viktor NEUMANN >from Szobrancz, not Mr. MALCZ. If the Kereszt you're looking for is near Nyirbator, however, it is not the same place because Nyirbator is quite a distance to the south in presentday Hungary. I can't help you with Padroka but is it possible that the place is Porubka? That is a place about 6 km northeast of Kereszt. Kereskado is probably a misspelling of Kereskedo, which is a tradesman, shopkeeper, merchant. (This one isn't a guess<grin> It's in my dictionary!)


Re: cost of testing #dna

Bcg <info@...>
 

Hi Neil

The cost of a test for the Y-DNA (male side) is $219. If you want the
mtDNA test (DNA donated >from your mothers' side), the cost is also $219.

If you are a male and want to get both sides tested the cost is $279

All these tests are available through www.jewishgen.org/dna

If you have specific questions that are not listed on the FAQ accessed
from the URL noted above, please email info@...
BTW watch CBS's show "Sunday Morning" August 12th (9 A.M. EDT) for a piece
on Genealogy. I was interviewed for the broadcast.

Bennett Greenspan
President
Family Tree DNA
Houston Texas

The world's only site devoted to Genealogy by Genetics


DNA Research #DNA Re: cost of testing #dna

Bcg <info@...>
 

Hi Neil

The cost of a test for the Y-DNA (male side) is $219. If you want the
mtDNA test (DNA donated >from your mothers' side), the cost is also $219.

If you are a male and want to get both sides tested the cost is $279

All these tests are available through www.jewishgen.org/dna

If you have specific questions that are not listed on the FAQ accessed
from the URL noted above, please email info@...
BTW watch CBS's show "Sunday Morning" August 12th (9 A.M. EDT) for a piece
on Genealogy. I was interviewed for the broadcast.

Bennett Greenspan
President
Family Tree DNA
Houston Texas

The world's only site devoted to Genealogy by Genetics


Re: Occupation?? #hungary

maja <maja@...>
 

Telekko:nyvvezeto" is a wod combined of three nouns: telek = real estate,
ko:nyv = book and vezeto"= conductor or manager. Hence "telekko:nyvvezeto"" is
a land (or real estate) registerar.

With shalom from
Miryam & David Gordon
Rehovot, Israel

----- Original Message -----
From: <Ritamandl@...>
To: Hungarian SIG <h-sig@...>
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 3:27 PM
Subject: Occupation??


: I have a document dated 2/7/1914 which states that Szeszler Samu, my gg
: father was appointed as the Kapuvari "Telekkonyvvezeto" with an annual salary
: of 1600 korona and benefits. Can anyone translate this occupation for me?
: Thanks.
:
: rita mandl


Hungarian H-sig #hungary

pmhunter <pmhunter@...>
 

My father served in two forced labour camp units in Hungary - 103/14 and
107. Is there anyone still around who might have served in these units? I
would love to know where they were situated, what kind of work they had to
do and under what conditions. I have written to an organization in Budapest
which supposedly has records about the forced labour units, but they could
not help me.

Marianne Hunter
Sydney, Australia


Re: Names and relatives #general

Jeanne <Groupie@...>
 

Hi, Lisa,

I've been following along and now feel maybe I should stick my 2 cents
worth in.

Yes, some groups of Jews did indeed have the tradition of naming after a
living relative. Most notably the Sephardic. But there are Ashkenazic Jews
who have done this. I remember reading about it on JewishGen.

If you search the JewishGen archives, you will find this was discussed a
number of years ago.

One researcher (I don't remember his name) who I believe stated he's done
a lot of onomatological studies, claimed only the peasantry followed the
naming convention of naming after deceased individuals. The more wealthy
folks, Jews included, often followed a different tradition.

Whether the naming was based on luck or superstition depended on the
particular family and it's own traditions.

Like in our country today, many different families have evolved their own
traditions. For example, I know one family which passes down (on the
female side) the same middle name to honor a long-forgotten ancestor!

So, take it >from there ... anything, but anything, is possible when it
comes to names.

Regards,
Jeanne Gold


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Occupation?? #hungary

maja <maja@...>
 

Telekko:nyvvezeto" is a wod combined of three nouns: telek = real estate,
ko:nyv = book and vezeto"= conductor or manager. Hence "telekko:nyvvezeto"" is
a land (or real estate) registerar.

With shalom from
Miryam & David Gordon
Rehovot, Israel

----- Original Message -----
From: <Ritamandl@...>
To: Hungarian SIG <h-sig@...>
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 3:27 PM
Subject: Occupation??


: I have a document dated 2/7/1914 which states that Szeszler Samu, my gg
: father was appointed as the Kapuvari "Telekkonyvvezeto" with an annual salary
: of 1600 korona and benefits. Can anyone translate this occupation for me?
: Thanks.
:
: rita mandl