Adam Smith schrieb:

Hi everyone, I have a couple questions that I was hoping to get some
help on.
Can anyone translate "Heimatszust?ndigkeit" >from German to English?  I
am requesting information >from the Austrian war archives about my ggf
who served in WWI and they asked for that information.  He was from
the town on Nankova, just outside of Khust, in the Marmarosh region.

I was also wondering if there has been anything writing about
Hungarian Jewish surnames.  I am particularly curious about my
mother's maiden name Tambor. I appreciate your input. Adam Smith
 

I couldn't find neither in German-Hungarian, nor German-English
vocabulary not even in a German explanatory dictionary  the expression
Heimatzugeho:rigkeit, it is a combination of the word Heimat = haza =
native country, fatherland and Zugeho:rigkeit  = belonging to, but in my
opinion it is the nationality (according the documents) or citizen of
....Instead of Heimatzugeho:rigkeit a more current expression is
Staats(zu)angeho:rigkeit.

Best regards
GHabor Hirsch

Adam Smith schrieb:

Hi everyone, I have a couple questions that I was hoping to get some
help on.
Can anyone translate "Heimatszust?ndigkeit" >from German to English?  I
am requesting information >from the Austrian war archives about my ggf
who served in WWI and they asked for that information.  He was from
the town on Nankova, just outside of Khust, in the Marmarosh region.

I was also wondering if there has been anything writing about
Hungarian Jewish surnames.  I am particularly curious about my
mother's maiden name Tambor. I appreciate your input. Adam Smith
 

I couldn't find neither in German-Hungarian, nor German-English
vocabulary not even in a German explanatory dictionary  the expression
Heimatzugeho:rigkeit, it is a combination of the word Heimat = haza =
native country, fatherland and Zugeho:rigkeit  = belonging to, but in my
opinion it is the nationality (according the documents) or citizen of
....Instead of Heimatzugeho:rigkeit a more current expression is
Staats(zu)angeho:rigkeit.

Best regards
GHabor Hirsch

In a message dated 8/10/01 10:10:03 PM, Leslie Bernstein writes:

<< My own problem, which I'm certain many people share, is that I have never
been able to find a good source for my Hungarian surname >>

Goto http://www.radixindex.com/

and enter your various surname spelling options. You can get a geographical
distribution-by county- for each name as provided in the 1891 occupations
book for Hungary. I have done this and discovered that some of my surnames
were quite rare. One (SCHALK-although I previously had found a single entry
for a Schalk born near Namezsto in 1827. My Maria was born in 1796.) had no
entries for all of Hungary.

Sam Vass
Kent, WA, USA

Regarding burial of the mentally ill: the main reason suicide victims are
allowed to be buried in a Jewish cemetary is that they are considered as
having been mentally ill at the time of the suicide and as such, beein ill,
allows to bury them within the cemetary.

Yoni Ben-Ari, Efrat, Israel

Shirley is quite right: to *contact* any person on the list (i.e. to
obtain their address) is not free.

However, the names of the graduates and the names of the high schools they
graduated from, as well as the year of graduation, are free to all. This
enabled me to pinpoint the town and state my relatives lived in at the
time of their high school graduation.

I personally am grateful for any "free" factual data I obtain to flesh out
my records. I apologize for not mentioning the additional information
provided by Shirley.

Henny

Henriette Moed Roth
Los Angeles, California
hennynow@...

More great news for Piatek researchers!

Indexing of the vital records for the town of Piatek (Piontek), 1826-1899,
has now been completed. These indices will be added to the JRI - Poland
database when funding for the project is complete.

The additional exciting news is the discovery of more birth, marriage, and
death records than originally expected. We now have a nearly complete
record for Piatek. The Piatek records total 5,211 births, marriages, and
deaths for this period.

Remember, it had been thought that records for this town did not exist.
Neither the LDS Family History Library nor Miriam Weiner's _Jewish Roots
in Poland_ list vital records for this town.

Piatek is in Lodz province in central Poland, latitude 52o 04', longitude
19o 29'. Neighboring towns include: Bielawy, a distance of 7.1 m from
Piatek; Ozorkow, 11 m; Leczyca, 11.3 m; Kutno, 12.5 m; Glowno, 12.7 m;
Opole, 13.5 m; Dabie, 13.6 m; Zychlin, 13.9 m; Zgierz, 15.2 m; Lowicz,
19.4 m; Lodz, 21.9 m; and Brzeziny, 21. 9 m.


Thanks to the Jewish Records Indexing - Poland agreement with the Polish
State Archives, original index pages were photocopied and transcribed by
JRI - Poland's professional team in Warsaw (for the post-1867 years in
Cyrillic), as well as by our volunteers, Gilbert Hendlisz and myself (for
the pre-1868 Polish years). Indices for the years without index pages were
data-entered by a staff member at the Leczyca branch of the Polish State
Archives. The resulting database is invaluable to researchers of Piatek,
and also to those of surrounding towns, many of which have few extant
records.

Once these indices are online, you may simply print out an order form from
the Jewish Records Indexing-Poland web site and order the records >from the
Polish State Archives.

Please join me in making this extremely worthwhile and exciting project a
success. Your participation can help bring to light information you may
have never imagined you would find.

Please spread the word to everyone you are in contact with who has an
interest in Piatek or this area -- family, friends, co-researchers. All
should be encouraged to participate.

See updates on the JRI-Poland /PSA/ Piatek project at:
http://www.jewishgen.org/jri-pl/psa/psastat.htm
click on "Status Report: PSA Projects Underway."

To see if your surnames are included, see the surname list at
http://www.jewishgen.org/jri-pl/psa/piateksurn.htm.

If you are not familiar with the JRI-Poland database, please go to the
JRI-Poland home page <http://www.jewishgen.org/JRI-PL> to find out more.
By clicking on "Search the database," you can experiment and see how the
system works. By clicking on the hyperlink "Polish State Archives" on the
main table, you can find out more about the Polish State Archives projects.

If you have any questions, please do not hesitate to ask.

Sincerely,
Sheila Goldstein Salo
Cheverly, Maryland

In a message dated 8/10/01 10:10:03 PM, Leslie Bernstein writes:

<< My own problem, which I'm certain many people share, is that I have never
been able to find a good source for my Hungarian surname >>

Goto http://www.radixindex.com/

and enter your various surname spelling options. You can get a geographical
distribution-by county- for each name as provided in the 1891 occupations
book for Hungary. I have done this and discovered that some of my surnames
were quite rare. One (SCHALK-although I previously had found a single entry
for a Schalk born near Namezsto in 1827. My Maria was born in 1796.) had no
entries for all of Hungary.

Sam Vass
Kent, WA, USA

Shirley is quite right: to *contact* any person on the list (i.e. to
obtain their address) is not free.

However, the names of the graduates and the names of the high schools they
graduated from, as well as the year of graduation, are free to all. This
enabled me to pinpoint the town and state my relatives lived in at the
time of their high school graduation.

I personally am grateful for any "free" factual data I obtain to flesh out
my records. I apologize for not mentioning the additional information
provided by Shirley.

Henny

Henriette Moed Roth
Los Angeles, California
hennynow@...

More great news for Piatek researchers!

Indexing of the vital records for the town of Piatek (Piontek), 1826-1899,
has now been completed. These indices will be added to the JRI - Poland
database when funding for the project is complete.

The additional exciting news is the discovery of more birth, marriage, and
death records than originally expected. We now have a nearly complete
record for Piatek. The Piatek records total 5,211 births, marriages, and
deaths for this period.

Remember, it had been thought that records for this town did not exist.
Neither the LDS Family History Library nor Miriam Weiner's _Jewish Roots
in Poland_ list vital records for this town.

Piatek is in Lodz province in central Poland, latitude 52o 04', longitude
19o 29'. Neighboring towns include: Bielawy, a distance of 7.1 m from
Piatek; Ozorkow, 11 m; Leczyca, 11.3 m; Kutno, 12.5 m; Glowno, 12.7 m;
Opole, 13.5 m; Dabie, 13.6 m; Zychlin, 13.9 m; Zgierz, 15.2 m; Lowicz,
19.4 m; Lodz, 21.9 m; and Brzeziny, 21. 9 m.


Thanks to the Jewish Records Indexing - Poland agreement with the Polish
State Archives, original index pages were photocopied and transcribed by
JRI - Poland's professional team in Warsaw (for the post-1867 years in
Cyrillic), as well as by our volunteers, Gilbert Hendlisz and myself (for
the pre-1868 Polish years). Indices for the years without index pages were
data-entered by a staff member at the Leczyca branch of the Polish State
Archives. The resulting database is invaluable to researchers of Piatek,
and also to those of surrounding towns, many of which have few extant
records.

Once these indices are online, you may simply print out an order form from
the Jewish Records Indexing-Poland web site and order the records >from the
Polish State Archives.

Please join me in making this extremely worthwhile and exciting project a
success. Your participation can help bring to light information you may
have never imagined you would find.

Please spread the word to everyone you are in contact with who has an
interest in Piatek or this area -- family, friends, co-researchers. All
should be encouraged to participate.

See updates on the JRI-Poland /PSA/ Piatek project at:
http://www.jewishgen.org/jri-pl/psa/psastat.htm
click on "Status Report: PSA Projects Underway."

To see if your surnames are included, see the surname list at
http://www.jewishgen.org/jri-pl/psa/piateksurn.htm.

If you are not familiar with the JRI-Poland database, please go to the
JRI-Poland home page <http://www.jewishgen.org/JRI-PL> to find out more.
By clicking on "Search the database," you can experiment and see how the
system works. By clicking on the hyperlink "Polish State Archives" on the
main table, you can find out more about the Polish State Archives projects.

If you have any questions, please do not hesitate to ask.

Sincerely,
Sheila Goldstein Salo
Cheverly, Maryland

Regarding burial of the mentally ill: the main reason suicide victims are
allowed to be buried in a Jewish cemetary is that they are considered as
having been mentally ill at the time of the suicide and as such, beein ill,
allows to bury them within the cemetary.

Yoni Ben-Ari, Efrat, Israel

More great news for Piatek researchers!

Indexing of the vital records for the town of Piatek (Piontek), 1826-1899,
has now been completed. These indices will be added to the JRI - Poland
database when funding for the project is complete.

The additional exciting news is the discovery of more birth, marriage, and
death records than originally expected. We now have a nearly complete
record for Piatek. The Piatek records total 5,211 births, marriages, and
deaths for this period.

Remember, it had been thought that records for this town did not exist.
Neither the LDS Family History Library nor Miriam Weiner's _Jewish Roots
in Poland_ list vital records for this town.

Piatek is in Lodz province in central Poland, latitude 52o 04', longitude
19o 29'. Neighboring towns include: Bielawy, a distance of 7.1 m from
Piatek; Ozorkow, 11 m; Leczyca, 11.3 m; Kutno, 12.5 m; Glowno, 12.7 m;
Opole, 13.5 m; Dabie, 13.6 m; Zychlin, 13.9 m; Zgierz, 15.2 m; Lowicz,
19.4 m; Lodz, 21.9 m; and Brzeziny, 21. 9 m.

Thanks to the Jewish Records Indexing _ Poland agreement with the Polish
State Archives, original index pages were photocopied and transcribed by
JRI - Poland’s professional team in Warsaw (for the post-1867 years in
Cyrillic), as well as by our volunteers, Gilbert Hendlisz and myself (for
the pre-1868 Polish years). Indices for the years without index pages were
data-entered by a staff member at the Leczyca branch of the Polish State
Archives. The resulting database is invaluable to researchers of Piatek,
and also to those of surrounding towns, many of which have few extant
records.

Once these indices are online, you may simply print out an order form from
the Jewish Records Indexing_Poland web site and order the records >from the
Polish State Archives.

Please join me in making this extremely worthwhile and exciting project a
success. Your participation can help bring to light information you may
have never imagined you would find.

Please spread the word to everyone you are in contact with who has an
interest in Piatek or this area -- family, friends, co_researchers. All
should be encouraged to participate.

See updates on the JRI_Poland /PSA/ Piatek project at:
http://www.jewishgen.org/jri_pl/psa/psastat.htm click on "Status Report:
PSA Projects
Underway."

To see if your surnames are included, see the surname list at
http://www.jewishgen.org/jri-pl/psa/piateksurn.thm.

$310 has already been contributed. Help put this index on line.
Researchers contributing a minimum of $50 will be eligible to receive a
copy of the Excel spreadsheet with the entire index of Piatek birth,
marriage, and death records.

Please send contributions in US Dollars made payable to "Jewish Records
Indexing _ Poland" to:

Sheila Salo, Treasurer, JRI_Poland, 5607 Greenleaf Road, Cheverly, MD
20785, USA. To make your contribution by VISA credit card, please
complete, in full, the contribution form that will appear when you click
on the VISA logo at <http://www.jewishgen.org/JRI_PL/visa.htm>. For those
of you >from outside the United States, contributions can only be accepted
in US Dollars unless you use a VISA credit card. Your VISA will be charged
in its local currency. However, please identify the amount of your
contribution in US Dollars. JRI_Poland is a non_profit organization under
Section 501(c)(3) of the U.S. Internal Revenue Code and is fully
deductible for taxpayers in the US.

ALL CONTRIBUTIONS SHOULD BE MARKED " FOR PIATEK PSA PROJECT." If you
send a check, PLEASE WRITE ON THE CHECK "FOR PIATEK PSA PROJECT."

If you are not familiar with the JRI_Poland database, please go to the
JRI_Poland home page
<http://www.jewishgen.org/JRI_PL> to find out more. By clicking on "Search
the database," you can experiment and see how the system works. By
clicking on the hyperlink "Polish State Archives" on the main table, you
can find out more about the Polish State Archives projects.

If you have any questions, please do not hesitate to ask.

Sincerely,
Sheila Goldstein Salo
Cheverly, Maryland

More great news for Piatek researchers!

Indexing of the vital records for the town of Piatek (Piontek), 1826-1899,
has now been completed. These indices will be added to the JRI - Poland
database when funding for the project is complete.

The additional exciting news is the discovery of more birth, marriage, and
death records than originally expected. We now have a nearly complete
record for Piatek. The Piatek records total 5,211 births, marriages, and
deaths for this period.

Remember, it had been thought that records for this town did not exist.
Neither the LDS Family History Library nor Miriam Weiner's _Jewish Roots
in Poland_ list vital records for this town.

Piatek is in Lodz province in central Poland, latitude 52o 04', longitude
19o 29'. Neighboring towns include: Bielawy, a distance of 7.1 m from
Piatek; Ozorkow, 11 m; Leczyca, 11.3 m; Kutno, 12.5 m; Glowno, 12.7 m;
Opole, 13.5 m; Dabie, 13.6 m; Zychlin, 13.9 m; Zgierz, 15.2 m; Lowicz,
19.4 m; Lodz, 21.9 m; and Brzeziny, 21. 9 m.

Thanks to the Jewish Records Indexing _ Poland agreement with the Polish
State Archives, original index pages were photocopied and transcribed by
JRI - Poland’s professional team in Warsaw (for the post-1867 years in
Cyrillic), as well as by our volunteers, Gilbert Hendlisz and myself (for
the pre-1868 Polish years). Indices for the years without index pages were
data-entered by a staff member at the Leczyca branch of the Polish State
Archives. The resulting database is invaluable to researchers of Piatek,
and also to those of surrounding towns, many of which have few extant
records.

Once these indices are online, you may simply print out an order form from
the Jewish Records Indexing_Poland web site and order the records >from the
Polish State Archives.

Please join me in making this extremely worthwhile and exciting project a
success. Your participation can help bring to light information you may
have never imagined you would find.

Please spread the word to everyone you are in contact with who has an
interest in Piatek or this area -- family, friends, co_researchers. All
should be encouraged to participate.

See updates on the JRI_Poland /PSA/ Piatek project at:
http://www.jewishgen.org/jri_pl/psa/psastat.htm click on "Status Report:
PSA Projects
Underway."

To see if your surnames are included, see the surname list at
http://www.jewishgen.org/jri-pl/psa/piateksurn.thm.

$310 has already been contributed. Help put this index on line.
Researchers contributing a minimum of $50 will be eligible to receive a
copy of the Excel spreadsheet with the entire index of Piatek birth,
marriage, and death records.

Please send contributions in US Dollars made payable to "Jewish Records
Indexing _ Poland" to:

Sheila Salo, Treasurer, JRI_Poland, 5607 Greenleaf Road, Cheverly, MD
20785, USA. To make your contribution by VISA credit card, please
complete, in full, the contribution form that will appear when you click
on the VISA logo at <http://www.jewishgen.org/JRI_PL/visa.htm>. For those
of you >from outside the United States, contributions can only be accepted
in US Dollars unless you use a VISA credit card. Your VISA will be charged
in its local currency. However, please identify the amount of your
contribution in US Dollars. JRI_Poland is a non_profit organization under
Section 501(c)(3) of the U.S. Internal Revenue Code and is fully
deductible for taxpayers in the US.

ALL CONTRIBUTIONS SHOULD BE MARKED " FOR PIATEK PSA PROJECT." If you
send a check, PLEASE WRITE ON THE CHECK "FOR PIATEK PSA PROJECT."

If you are not familiar with the JRI_Poland database, please go to the
JRI_Poland home page
<http://www.jewishgen.org/JRI_PL> to find out more. By clicking on "Search
the database," you can experiment and see how the system works. By
clicking on the hyperlink "Polish State Archives" on the main table, you
can find out more about the Polish State Archives projects.

If you have any questions, please do not hesitate to ask.

Sincerely,
Sheila Goldstein Salo
Cheverly, Maryland

The JewishGen On-Line Shopping Mall keeps growing and growing. This week,
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Barbara Khait's new book, Discovering your Jewish Roots, published by
Heritage Quest.with back cover comments by JewishGen's V.P. for Operations,
Carol Skydell, is a step by step guide leading the newcomer to the resources
providing the greatest help in a successful search for personal ancestry.

Carol writes:

"Barbara Krasner-Khait takes the reader by the hand and guides them through
the labyrinth of what's out there! The weaving in of personal stories,
documented by her own research convinces the reader that this is something
do-able. Without actually saying it, but demonstrating it, she lays to rest
the often heard comment "There are no records.that place was wiped off the
map."

This newly published book, is available both hardcover and softcover.
While you're in "Genealogy How-To," take a look at the twenty plus other
titles in that one category including this new title:

Uncle, We Are Ready! Registering America's Men 1917-1918. Few records are
more complete than World War I draft registration cards. Frequently, they
even include a physical description of their subject!! An often overlooked
resource. If any of your ancestors took part in World War I, don't miss
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If you have any questions on these books please contact:
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Thank you.

Sandy and Don Hirschhorn
Boca Raton, FL

I am assisting Ferenc Koszeg <helsinki@...> in trying to trace
hisSA family. We seem to have a lead on Issachar Seldin, but nothing on the
rest of them .

Saul

I am trying to trace the following families

Seldin, Eidus, Horowitz >from Latvia and SA :



My grandmother, Chassia Seldin was born in Dnaburg (Dvinsk) Latvia in cca.

1888. She married Benzion Eidus, my grandfather, an engaged

Socialist,member of the Bund. After the 1905 revolution they left Russia in

1909, they settled down in Hungary where my mother was born. (My

grandfather is older brother, Salomon Eidus was the grandfather of the
husband of Ivan Fiser`s

sister.)

My grandmother`s older brother Shochar Seldin moved to South Africa

presumably after the Second World War. As far as I know, he lived in Cape

Town, became rather rich trading with diamonds. I have a photo, taken

probably in the Forties, as he was sitting with his wife in the center of a

big family celebration.

One more information in 1949, during the World Youth Festival in Budapest

(I was ten years old) a young lady visited my mother. She was a member of

the delegation of the Communist Youth Movement >from either South Africa or

Kenya. She introduced herself as a relative of us, but I do not know if she

was >from the Selding or >from Eidus branch. Her name might have been Sheila

Horowitz. Later I was told she moved to the UK.

Ferenc Koszeg <helsinki@...>

Saul Issroff

The JewishGen On-Line Shopping Mall keeps growing and growing. This week,
we've added two especially interesting items. Find both by visiting the
Mall at http://www.jewishgen.org/jewishgenmall. Once on, click on Browse
Mall, click on Books and select Genealogy How-To. Scroll down to;

Barbara Khait's new book, Discovering your Jewish Roots, published by
Heritage Quest.with back cover comments by JewishGen's V.P. for Operations,
Carol Skydell, is a step by step guide leading the newcomer to the resources
providing the greatest help in a successful search for personal ancestry.

Carol writes:

"Barbara Krasner-Khait takes the reader by the hand and guides them through
the labyrinth of what's out there! The weaving in of personal stories,
documented by her own research convinces the reader that this is something
do-able. Without actually saying it, but demonstrating it, she lays to rest
the often heard comment "There are no records.that place was wiped off the
map."

This newly published book, is available both hardcover and softcover.
While you're in "Genealogy How-To," take a look at the twenty plus other
titles in that one category including this new title:

Uncle, We Are Ready! Registering America's Men 1917-1918. Few records are
more complete than World War I draft registration cards. Frequently, they
even include a physical description of their subject!! An often overlooked
resource. If any of your ancestors took part in World War I, don't miss
this one!

If you have any questions on these books please contact:
malladmin@...>

Thank you.

Sandy and Don Hirschhorn
Boca Raton, FL

I am assisting Ferenc Koszeg <helsinki@...> in trying to trace
hisSA family. We seem to have a lead on Issachar Seldin, but nothing on the
rest of them .

Saul

I am trying to trace the following families

Seldin, Eidus, Horowitz >from Latvia and SA :



My grandmother, Chassia Seldin was born in Dnaburg (Dvinsk) Latvia in cca.

1888. She married Benzion Eidus, my grandfather, an engaged

Socialist,member of the Bund. After the 1905 revolution they left Russia in

1909, they settled down in Hungary where my mother was born. (My

grandfather is older brother, Salomon Eidus was the grandfather of the
husband of Ivan Fiser`s

sister.)

My grandmother`s older brother Shochar Seldin moved to South Africa

presumably after the Second World War. As far as I know, he lived in Cape

Town, became rather rich trading with diamonds. I have a photo, taken

probably in the Forties, as he was sitting with his wife in the center of a

big family celebration.

One more information in 1949, during the World Youth Festival in Budapest

(I was ten years old) a young lady visited my mother. She was a member of

the delegation of the Communist Youth Movement >from either South Africa or

Kenya. She introduced herself as a relative of us, but I do not know if she

was >from the Selding or >from Eidus branch. Her name might have been Sheila

Horowitz. Later I was told she moved to the UK.

Ferenc Koszeg <helsinki@...>

Saul Issroff

Thank you for your help. He is on my list. Any other suggestiones are
greatly appreciated.
Regards
Robyn

The JewishGen On-Line Shopping Mall keeps growing and growing. This week,
we've added two especially interesting items. Find both by visiting the
Mall at http://www.jewishgen.org/jewishgenmall. Once on, click on Browse
Mall, click on Books and select Genealogy How-To. Scroll down to;

Barbara Khait's new book, Discovering your Jewish Roots, published by
Heritage Quest.with back cover comments by JewishGen's V.P. for Operations,
Carol Skydell, is a step by step guide leading the newcomer to the resources
providing the greatest help in a successful search for personal ancestry.

Carol writes:

"Barbara Krasner-Khait takes the reader by the hand and guides them through
the labyrinth of what's out there! The weaving in of personal stories,
documented by her own research convinces the reader that this is something
do-able. Without actually saying it, but demonstrating it, she lays to rest
the often heard comment "There are no records.that place was wiped off the
map."

This newly published book, is available both hardcover and softcover.
While you're in "Genealogy How-To," take a look at the twenty plus other
titles in that one category including this new title:

Uncle, We Are Ready! Registering America's Men 1917-1918. Few records are
more complete than World War I draft registration cards. Frequently, they
even include a physical description of their subject!! An often overlooked
resource. If any of your ancestors took part in World War I, don't miss
this one!

If you have any questions on these books please contact:
malladmin@...>

Thank you.

Sandy and Don Hirschhorn
Boca Raton, FL

I have been away and noted the discussion on Sa Jewish Newspapers.
after the recent London genealogy Conference the British Library donated a
surplus collection of 6 bound volumes of the SA Jewish Times to the JGSGB
Library. These relate to the 1960's and have a wealth of information. If we
had enough volunteers we could start a project to index various years.

Saul





Saul Issroff

Thank you for your help. He is on my list. Any other suggestiones are
greatly appreciated.
Regards
Robyn