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* empty email messages #hungary

Tom Venetianer <tom.vene@...>
 

Dear Gabor and all,

As far as I can say, the reason for empty messages is that the sender
has sent you a HTML formatted message and your email program is not
configured to accept that format. What arrives is an empty message.

It is *highly* recommended to all members to send *text only*
messages. That is the safest way to warrant that their messages are
readable by everybody.

the best to all
Tom

At 00:00 -0500 11.04.01, Hungarian SIG digest wrote:
>| Subject: Re: new book
>| From: Gabor Hirsch <hirsch@cyberlink.ch>
>| Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 08:05:18 +0200
>| X-Message-Number: 10
>|
>| I=DD mentioned not so long ago, that increasingly mails >from the H-SI=
G
>| seems on the surface empty, so one of them >from Peter Hidas. As I don=
't
>| think that they are secret messages or just jux, I don't know where i=
s
>| the mistake and how can we correct it.
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Tom Venetianer <mailto:tom.vene@uol.com.br>
Sao Paulo - Brazil

mod.- Thank you Tom for stating the problem clearyly and succinctly. I
would only like to add that messages sent in either HTML or MIME formats
cannot be processed by all e-mail programs, and therefore according to
Jewishgen guidelines, must be rejected by the moderator. All e-mail
programs have the capability of sending messages in "plain text" format.
One has to use the proper "switch"/button to make the change. Since there
are numerous e-mail programs it is virtually impossible to give universal
instructions on how to do this. Please consult your e-mail program manual
your local computer "guru".LS


Hungary SIG #Hungary * empty email messages #hungary

Tom Venetianer <tom.vene@...>
 

Dear Gabor and all,

As far as I can say, the reason for empty messages is that the sender
has sent you a HTML formatted message and your email program is not
configured to accept that format. What arrives is an empty message.

It is *highly* recommended to all members to send *text only*
messages. That is the safest way to warrant that their messages are
readable by everybody.

the best to all
Tom

At 00:00 -0500 11.04.01, Hungarian SIG digest wrote:
>| Subject: Re: new book
>| From: Gabor Hirsch <hirsch@cyberlink.ch>
>| Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 08:05:18 +0200
>| X-Message-Number: 10
>|
>| I=DD mentioned not so long ago, that increasingly mails >from the H-SI=
G
>| seems on the surface empty, so one of them >from Peter Hidas. As I don=
't
>| think that they are secret messages or just jux, I don't know where i=
s
>| the mistake and how can we correct it.
--
-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. -.-.-
Tom Venetianer <mailto:tom.vene@uol.com.br>
Sao Paulo - Brazil

mod.- Thank you Tom for stating the problem clearyly and succinctly. I
would only like to add that messages sent in either HTML or MIME formats
cannot be processed by all e-mail programs, and therefore according to
Jewishgen guidelines, must be rejected by the moderator. All e-mail
programs have the capability of sending messages in "plain text" format.
One has to use the proper "switch"/button to make the change. Since there
are numerous e-mail programs it is virtually impossible to give universal
instructions on how to do this. Please consult your e-mail program manual
your local computer "guru".LS


*re: Jewish Surnames in Bukovina (Radautz area) #hungary

Tom Venetianer <tom.vene@...>
 

Some are very simple to decode, some need a bit of guessing:

Salamon is the Hungarian rendering of Solomon
Jakab is the Hungarian rendering of Jacob
Simon is the Hungarian rendering of Simon :-)
Lipot is Leopold in Hungarian
Herczeg means "prince",
probably a Jewish surname of German origin -> Fu:rst or Fu:rstman
Kelemen is typically a Hungarian surname, used by Jews
Geber is likely German (it means "giver"), although with a Jewish twist
Ra'c or Ra'cz (Ratz) is a Hungarian surname, I met Jews with that surname
Ra'nc means "wrinkles" in Hungarian, maybe a non-Jewish surname
Tresshaft is German, maybe a contraction of Tresse (gallon) and Haft (prison)
Zsaicz could be a misspelling of Zeitz, a Jewish surname
Nyisztor, Illes and Venczel beats me

At 00:00 -0500 11.04.01, Hungarian SIG digest wrote:
>| Subject: Jewish Surnames in Bukovina (Radautz area)
>| From: David and BethLong <dnblong@cts.com>
>| Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 23:34:54 -0700
>|
>| I have been working for several years on a database of the five Hungarian
>| villages of Bukovina (Andrasfalva, Hadikfalva, Istensegits, Fogadjisten,
>| and Jozseffalva).
>|
>| I now have over 18,000 people in the database, and I have questions about
>| some of the surnames, which sound German, but are not connected with the
>| (Catholic and Lutheran) German settlers of the established
German villages.
>|
>| Geber Salamon Illes Venczel
>| Nyisztor Tresshaft Jakab Zsaicz
>| Koka Simon Rancz Kelemen
>| Leopold/Lipot Herczeg Ratz
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Tom Venetianer <mailto:tom.vene@uol.com.br>
Sao Paulo - Brazil


Hungary SIG #Hungary *re: Jewish Surnames in Bukovina (Radautz area) #hungary

Tom Venetianer <tom.vene@...>
 

Some are very simple to decode, some need a bit of guessing:

Salamon is the Hungarian rendering of Solomon
Jakab is the Hungarian rendering of Jacob
Simon is the Hungarian rendering of Simon :-)
Lipot is Leopold in Hungarian
Herczeg means "prince",
probably a Jewish surname of German origin -> Fu:rst or Fu:rstman
Kelemen is typically a Hungarian surname, used by Jews
Geber is likely German (it means "giver"), although with a Jewish twist
Ra'c or Ra'cz (Ratz) is a Hungarian surname, I met Jews with that surname
Ra'nc means "wrinkles" in Hungarian, maybe a non-Jewish surname
Tresshaft is German, maybe a contraction of Tresse (gallon) and Haft (prison)
Zsaicz could be a misspelling of Zeitz, a Jewish surname
Nyisztor, Illes and Venczel beats me

At 00:00 -0500 11.04.01, Hungarian SIG digest wrote:
>| Subject: Jewish Surnames in Bukovina (Radautz area)
>| From: David and BethLong <dnblong@cts.com>
>| Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 23:34:54 -0700
>|
>| I have been working for several years on a database of the five Hungarian
>| villages of Bukovina (Andrasfalva, Hadikfalva, Istensegits, Fogadjisten,
>| and Jozseffalva).
>|
>| I now have over 18,000 people in the database, and I have questions about
>| some of the surnames, which sound German, but are not connected with the
>| (Catholic and Lutheran) German settlers of the established
German villages.
>|
>| Geber Salamon Illes Venczel
>| Nyisztor Tresshaft Jakab Zsaicz
>| Koka Simon Rancz Kelemen
>| Leopold/Lipot Herczeg Ratz
--
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Tom Venetianer <mailto:tom.vene@uol.com.br>
Sao Paulo - Brazil


Locations in Hungary/Romania #hungary

Meyer Denn Denn <lionsden@...>
 

Moadim l'simcha to everyone!

I am looking for information about the towns in Hungary/Romania
which are pronounced Taratckoz (with an umlat over the "o") where
I am searching for Itzkowitz family; Magyaruz (in Sobocvar Megye),
where I am searching for Itzkowitz and Malek family.

If anybody can tell me the location of these towns, I would be
very happy.

Best wishes,

Meyer Denn
Irvine, California
lionsden@netvision.net.il


Barkaszo, village near Munkacs #hungary

Floyd Knight <knigh002@...>
 

I would appreciate any information on this village of
Barkaszo in the former Austria-Hungary and Czechoslovakia.
It was about 10km >from Munkacs, now Mukachevo, Ukraine.
There were about 12 Jewish families there toward the end of
the 19th century. During the mid-19th century, my gggf
Reisman helped to build a wooden synagogue for the
community. I believe most of the families were farmers.
There was also a mineral springs there. I have not been
able to find a map showing a village with a similar name.

In addition to seeking any information about Barkaszo, I am
wondering how to conduct investigations of people in these
small villages. I believe that these residents would have
appeared in lists for Munkacs, but is there anything else
that I, and others, should know when doing research? Are
there any references to synagogues and congregants in small
villages?

A general reference question: Is there a resource that would
list not only town names, but the larger district (county?)
names in which the towns are located during the changing
political geography? What would they be for Munkacs?

Thanks for any help,
Belina Reisman
Reisman, Munkacs; Weiner, Odessa; Zimmerman, Lomza, Poland;
Nacht, Bucharest; Schwartz, Romania and Liverpool


Hungary SIG #Hungary Locations in Hungary/Romania #hungary

Meyer Denn Denn <lionsden@...>
 

Moadim l'simcha to everyone!

I am looking for information about the towns in Hungary/Romania
which are pronounced Taratckoz (with an umlat over the "o") where
I am searching for Itzkowitz family; Magyaruz (in Sobocvar Megye),
where I am searching for Itzkowitz and Malek family.

If anybody can tell me the location of these towns, I would be
very happy.

Best wishes,

Meyer Denn
Irvine, California
lionsden@netvision.net.il


Hungary SIG #Hungary Barkaszo, village near Munkacs #hungary

Floyd Knight <knigh002@...>
 

I would appreciate any information on this village of
Barkaszo in the former Austria-Hungary and Czechoslovakia.
It was about 10km >from Munkacs, now Mukachevo, Ukraine.
There were about 12 Jewish families there toward the end of
the 19th century. During the mid-19th century, my gggf
Reisman helped to build a wooden synagogue for the
community. I believe most of the families were farmers.
There was also a mineral springs there. I have not been
able to find a map showing a village with a similar name.

In addition to seeking any information about Barkaszo, I am
wondering how to conduct investigations of people in these
small villages. I believe that these residents would have
appeared in lists for Munkacs, but is there anything else
that I, and others, should know when doing research? Are
there any references to synagogues and congregants in small
villages?

A general reference question: Is there a resource that would
list not only town names, but the larger district (county?)
names in which the towns are located during the changing
political geography? What would they be for Munkacs?

Thanks for any help,
Belina Reisman
Reisman, Munkacs; Weiner, Odessa; Zimmerman, Lomza, Poland;
Nacht, Bucharest; Schwartz, Romania and Liverpool


request for additional help finding town #hungary

cohentalk@...
 

Dear Members,

Last week, I asked for help to locate Zsuko/Zukove Bereg Hungary, now
probably Ukraine. I took Vivian's and others' suggestions.
I found Zsuko on a 1910 map at: www.lazarus.elte.hu. Zsuko is about
10 km N.W. of Mukachevo.

Problem is that this info is not a sufficient reference for JGFamily Finder.
They require a modern name and location before they will accept the town.

Please advise me how to proceed. Thank you.

On another note......
I think I have thanked everyone privately except Vivian.
Vivian, sorry I don't gave your email address. Thank you very much for your
time,help, and suggestions. I really appreciate everything.

Linda Cohen
MichiganUSA


Hungary SIG #Hungary request for additional help finding town #hungary

cohentalk@...
 

Dear Members,

Last week, I asked for help to locate Zsuko/Zukove Bereg Hungary, now
probably Ukraine. I took Vivian's and others' suggestions.
I found Zsuko on a 1910 map at: www.lazarus.elte.hu. Zsuko is about
10 km N.W. of Mukachevo.

Problem is that this info is not a sufficient reference for JGFamily Finder.
They require a modern name and location before they will accept the town.

Please advise me how to proceed. Thank you.

On another note......
I think I have thanked everyone privately except Vivian.
Vivian, sorry I don't gave your email address. Thank you very much for your
time,help, and suggestions. I really appreciate everything.

Linda Cohen
MichiganUSA


Hair Tests #dna

Harold Rhode <hrhode@...>
 

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I have beard hairs >from my great-grandfather who died in 1931. Would it =
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old at least.

Thanks,

Harold Rhode

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DNA Research #DNA Hair Tests #dna

Harold Rhode <hrhode@...>
 

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I have beard hairs >from my great-grandfather who died in 1931. Would it =
be possible to do a DNA analysis on him >from these - which are 70 years =
old at least.

Thanks,

Harold Rhode

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Confirming Family Relationships #dna

Stephen Mednick <smednick@...>
 

I've been in contact with someone who's MEDNICK ancestors came >from the same
town as my Grandfather. I was supplied with a photograph that I forwarded
together with two photographs of my grandfather taken 20 years apart to a
friend of mine who has been in the photographic business for over 30 years.

I didn't tell him who was who in each of the 3 photographs but he correctly
identified the two photographs of my grandfather as being the same person. As
for the 3rd photograph he said there were enough common characteristics (eyes,
nose, lips) to strongly suggest that there is a family connection. As to
whether the two men are brothers remains to be seen.

I was wondering if DNA testing of close descendents of the two people could
conclusively establish as to whether or not the two people might have been
brothers. I'd welcome any comments on this and also if it was an option how
does one go about arranging DNA testing. Are there private facilities in the
US that carry out this type work for people walking off the street wanting
their own DNA testing done?

Thanks.

Stephen Mednick
Sydney, Australia
smednick@css.au.com

Researching:
MEDNICK (Kalius,UKR & London,ENG)
SACHS/SACKS (Kalius,UKR & London,ENG)


DNA Research #DNA Confirming Family Relationships #dna

Stephen Mednick <smednick@...>
 

I've been in contact with someone who's MEDNICK ancestors came >from the same
town as my Grandfather. I was supplied with a photograph that I forwarded
together with two photographs of my grandfather taken 20 years apart to a
friend of mine who has been in the photographic business for over 30 years.

I didn't tell him who was who in each of the 3 photographs but he correctly
identified the two photographs of my grandfather as being the same person. As
for the 3rd photograph he said there were enough common characteristics (eyes,
nose, lips) to strongly suggest that there is a family connection. As to
whether the two men are brothers remains to be seen.

I was wondering if DNA testing of close descendents of the two people could
conclusively establish as to whether or not the two people might have been
brothers. I'd welcome any comments on this and also if it was an option how
does one go about arranging DNA testing. Are there private facilities in the
US that carry out this type work for people walking off the street wanting
their own DNA testing done?

Thanks.

Stephen Mednick
Sydney, Australia
smednick@css.au.com

Researching:
MEDNICK (Kalius,UKR & London,ENG)
SACHS/SACKS (Kalius,UKR & London,ENG)


Not able to answer 9.-27. April #belarus

aleksasha <aleksasha@...>
 

Dear friends,

april 9 till april 27 I will be away and will not be able to answer your
e-mail.

Sincerely,

Alexander Nezlin
(surname added by moderator)

PLEASE, PLEASE **DO** REMEMBER TO SIGN WITH FULL NAME!
Thank you in anticipation
Moderator on duty


Belarus SIG #Belarus Not able to answer 9.-27. April #belarus

aleksasha <aleksasha@...>
 

Dear friends,

april 9 till april 27 I will be away and will not be able to answer your
e-mail.

Sincerely,

Alexander Nezlin
(surname added by moderator)

PLEASE, PLEASE **DO** REMEMBER TO SIGN WITH FULL NAME!
Thank you in anticipation
Moderator on duty


: given name Lazel ? #belarus

Udi Cain
 

Dear Alexander.

Just like Lazer is a nickname for Eliezer, Lazel could be for Uzziel.
Leviticus chapter 10 / 4:
"And Moses called Mishael and Elzaphan, the sons of Uzziel the uncle
of Aaron, and said to them, Come near, carry your brothers >from before
the sanctuary out of the camp."

It also remind of ancient Greek names, but I wouldn't want to add to
the confusion.

Best regards.
Udi Cain. Jerusalem.

-----------------
Alexander Kott wrote:
What might be the origin of the given masculine name
Lazel?
...snip...
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Belarus SIG #Belarus : given name Lazel ? #belarus

Udi Cain
 

Dear Alexander.

Just like Lazer is a nickname for Eliezer, Lazel could be for Uzziel.
Leviticus chapter 10 / 4:
"And Moses called Mishael and Elzaphan, the sons of Uzziel the uncle
of Aaron, and said to them, Come near, carry your brothers >from before
the sanctuary out of the camp."

It also remind of ancient Greek names, but I wouldn't want to add to
the confusion.

Best regards.
Udi Cain. Jerusalem.

-----------------
Alexander Kott wrote:
What might be the origin of the given masculine name
Lazel?
...snip...
-----------------


Colorado and Arizona death indices #general

Alan Steinfeld <alan.steinfeld@...>
 

Does anyone know if there are on-line indices to deaths in these
states? I'm interested in deaths that occured in the early 1950's.

Thanks,
Alan Steinfeld


Re: Writing to family members in Israel #general

Bud484BG@...
 

Hello everyone:

I have just received addresses for family members >from Kiev who emigrated
ten years ago to Rishon Le Zion, Israel. My question: what is the
language I need to correspond with them?

Thanks in advance for your help.

Beatrice Markel
Redondo Beach, California
EMail: bud484bg@aol.com