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Re: Is This Bill Customary for Genealogical Research? #general

Werner Cohn <wernerco@...>
 

in article 3ACFE686.F9278DA8@jeffco.k12.co.us, Steve Axelrath at
saxelrat@jeffco.k12.co.us wrote on 4/8/01 11:31 AM:

Recently, I received a bill for 550 American Dollars for research
performed for us by am Eastern European researcher. I?d like some
feedback as to whether these charges fit within what is customary in the
field.

The researcher charged me for travel and hotel costs. While the prices
charged seem high (the apparent equivalent of American prices), I assume
they are legitimate.

Before performing his work, the researcher stated that we would be
billed $20 for each document found and translated and copied for us. I
thought this was a reasonable charge?.BUT, I assumed that the documents
would describe members of our family.

When the package of research materials arrived, there were 17 documents
from the largish city in question which listed people with the
same?common?last name we were searching for and in the appropriate time
period. BUT? we have no reason to believe that any of these people are
related to us. We were searching for my wife?s great grandfather
Ignatz KAUFMAN, and the researcher seems to have merely sent us birth,
marriage, and death records of all KAUFMANS he could find in that city.
Six or seven of the records were about the same two people.

As we understand the situation, the only reason the researcher had for
copying and translating ("translating" meaning identifying it as a death
record, for example) was that the record included the last name of our
relative. He had no specific reason to believe that any of the
documents referred to our relative or a member of our relative?s
family. >from my point of view, we are being billed $340 for information
that the researcher knew was in no presently documentable way pertinent
to our search for Ignatz Kaufman. Let me repeat that Ignatz Kaufman
lived in a city, not a village. This general Kaufman information is
unlikely to ever provide us a link to my wife?s grandfather.

Questions.
Should my wife and I have understood that we were agreeing to pay for
documents regarding people who had the same last name of our relative
but had no apparent relationship with our relative?
Is this researcher?s billing within the bounds of customary genealogical
research?

While I have no direct experience with the matter at hand, it is my
impression that this bill is completely out of line.

OTOH some questions suggest themselves. Just how specific were the
instructions to this researcher to begin with ? In the initial discussion,
was there any mention at all of hotel & restaurant bills ?

My own feeling is that before engaging a researcher for this kind of work,
it would help to spell out in detail, in writing, what kind of documents
are required and for what purpose. It would seem desirable to stress the
need for these documents to be relevant to the research purpose. As this
case shows, it would also be a good idea to indicate what is NOT wanted,
namely documents dealing with apparently unrelated persons who happen to
have the same or similar last names. Of course an honest and competent
person should not need such warning.

So the main question is whether this particular researcher is a reputable,
competent person. It would seem desirable to have some indication of the
bona fides of a prospective researcher -- regarding both competence and
probity -- before engaging him. I would ask for references and I would
check these references.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Is This Bill Customary for Genealogical Research? #general

Werner Cohn <wernerco@...>
 

in article 3ACFE686.F9278DA8@jeffco.k12.co.us, Steve Axelrath at
saxelrat@jeffco.k12.co.us wrote on 4/8/01 11:31 AM:

Recently, I received a bill for 550 American Dollars for research
performed for us by am Eastern European researcher. I?d like some
feedback as to whether these charges fit within what is customary in the
field.

The researcher charged me for travel and hotel costs. While the prices
charged seem high (the apparent equivalent of American prices), I assume
they are legitimate.

Before performing his work, the researcher stated that we would be
billed $20 for each document found and translated and copied for us. I
thought this was a reasonable charge?.BUT, I assumed that the documents
would describe members of our family.

When the package of research materials arrived, there were 17 documents
from the largish city in question which listed people with the
same?common?last name we were searching for and in the appropriate time
period. BUT? we have no reason to believe that any of these people are
related to us. We were searching for my wife?s great grandfather
Ignatz KAUFMAN, and the researcher seems to have merely sent us birth,
marriage, and death records of all KAUFMANS he could find in that city.
Six or seven of the records were about the same two people.

As we understand the situation, the only reason the researcher had for
copying and translating ("translating" meaning identifying it as a death
record, for example) was that the record included the last name of our
relative. He had no specific reason to believe that any of the
documents referred to our relative or a member of our relative?s
family. >from my point of view, we are being billed $340 for information
that the researcher knew was in no presently documentable way pertinent
to our search for Ignatz Kaufman. Let me repeat that Ignatz Kaufman
lived in a city, not a village. This general Kaufman information is
unlikely to ever provide us a link to my wife?s grandfather.

Questions.
Should my wife and I have understood that we were agreeing to pay for
documents regarding people who had the same last name of our relative
but had no apparent relationship with our relative?
Is this researcher?s billing within the bounds of customary genealogical
research?

While I have no direct experience with the matter at hand, it is my
impression that this bill is completely out of line.

OTOH some questions suggest themselves. Just how specific were the
instructions to this researcher to begin with ? In the initial discussion,
was there any mention at all of hotel & restaurant bills ?

My own feeling is that before engaging a researcher for this kind of work,
it would help to spell out in detail, in writing, what kind of documents
are required and for what purpose. It would seem desirable to stress the
need for these documents to be relevant to the research purpose. As this
case shows, it would also be a good idea to indicate what is NOT wanted,
namely documents dealing with apparently unrelated persons who happen to
have the same or similar last names. Of course an honest and competent
person should not need such warning.

So the main question is whether this particular researcher is a reputable,
competent person. It would seem desirable to have some indication of the
bona fides of a prospective researcher -- regarding both competence and
probity -- before engaging him. I would ask for references and I would
check these references.


Re: Orhei, Moldova question #general

Mark Grekin <mgrekin@...>
 

The old spelling of this town in Moldova (Bessarabia) was Orgeev
Mark Grekin

-----Original Message-----
From: Vladimir Tetelbaum [mailto:vtetelbaum@yahoo.com]
Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2001 11:26 AM
To: JewishGen Discussion Group
Subject: Orhei, Moldova question

Hi,

Does anyone know old spelling of present day Orhei,
Moldova. It is about 30 miles north of Kishinev. I
think it was spelled Orgiev in Russian in the 19th
century. Can anyone confirm?

Thank you.
Vladimir Tetelbaum
Foster City, CA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: Orhei, Moldova question #general

Mark Grekin <mgrekin@...>
 

The old spelling of this town in Moldova (Bessarabia) was Orgeev
Mark Grekin

-----Original Message-----
From: Vladimir Tetelbaum [mailto:vtetelbaum@yahoo.com]
Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2001 11:26 AM
To: JewishGen Discussion Group
Subject: Orhei, Moldova question

Hi,

Does anyone know old spelling of present day Orhei,
Moldova. It is about 30 miles north of Kishinev. I
think it was spelled Orgiev in Russian in the 19th
century. Can anyone confirm?

Thank you.
Vladimir Tetelbaum
Foster City, CA


MEDINA Abraham Victorio-LARAS Virginia #general

massa <massa.j@...>
 

Looking for information for the MEDINA family >from Livorno Italiy. Married
to Virginia LARAS. They went to live in Sousse Tunisia about 1880. Their
descendants are MASSA living now in France, FUNARO family living in Paris
France and DE LA VECCHIA still in Livorno Italy in 1970. We have lost the
address as they must have moved on retirment. Any help welcome josyanne
MASSA >from tours in france massa.j@wanadoo.fr
http://geneweb.geneanet.org/massajyahoofr


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen MEDINA Abraham Victorio-LARAS Virginia #general

massa <massa.j@...>
 

Looking for information for the MEDINA family >from Livorno Italiy. Married
to Virginia LARAS. They went to live in Sousse Tunisia about 1880. Their
descendants are MASSA living now in France, FUNARO family living in Paris
France and DE LA VECCHIA still in Livorno Italy in 1970. We have lost the
address as they must have moved on retirment. Any help welcome josyanne
MASSA >from tours in france massa.j@wanadoo.fr
http://geneweb.geneanet.org/massajyahoofr


SCHLANG #general

Jeffrey Schlang <j-schlang1@...>
 

Hello,

I am looking for information on Alexander Schlang (Brother of Louis
Schlang & Sidney Gold)

parents Name?
imagration records?

Thank you for your help.

Jeffrey Schlang


NYC Ferry sinking 1904 #general

Alan Radack <alrack@...>
 

My father remembered, as a young boy on the lower East side of Manhattan
,that a great disaster had occurred on the East River.in 1904 .the
sinking of a ferry laden with women and children on a day trip out on
the river. Over one thousand person died, several hundred were rescued.
He remembered the outpouring on the streets of the lower East side in
memory and in grief over this great tragedy. My dad's family had arrived
in March of 1904 and this sinking occurred in June so it was sharply
etched in his memory of those early years. The name of the ship was the
General Slocum.Apparently >from what I have read, the Lutheran Church on
East 6th Street , the sponsor of the outing, in subsequent years became
a Jewish Orthodox synogogue. Does anyone know the name of the synogogue
and the date it was established? Is there other information on what went
on in the area after the tragedy. Alan Radack, Swampscott, MA
Searching for:
REDAK,MILLER,SLOMANKSI,POSNER,WEISBERG,STEIN,CLINE,AARONSON AUERON
( Augustow,Suwalki,Filipow,Grodno,Netta,Sidra)


For Michele, re; ROZENBLAT from Kielce #general

sophie frankenberg <sophiemend@...>
 

Dear Michele,

I accidentally erased your address while replying directly.

I was wondering whether the ROZENBLATS you are researching in Kielce could
have been my relatives, originally >from Zamosc. My grandfather's eldest
sister, Beila[b. about 1880] married Moshe ROZENBLAT. They had 7 children,
and remained in Kiev after WW1. The whole family had spent the war years
there, and then only this branch stayed in 1918.

Could it be possible, that at some later stage they returned to Poland,to
Kielce? Maybe to escape the revolution?

Please answer, and fill me in on what you know.

Happy Passover

Sophie FRANKENBERG [sophiemend@hotmail.com]

Researching: MENDELSON in Zamosc
HERING Zamosc vicinity
GOLDBAUM Lublin
FRYDMAN or FRIDMAN Lublin and Chelm
GOLDMAN Kotzk [Kock]


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen SCHLANG #general

Jeffrey Schlang <j-schlang1@...>
 

Hello,

I am looking for information on Alexander Schlang (Brother of Louis
Schlang & Sidney Gold)

parents Name?
imagration records?

Thank you for your help.

Jeffrey Schlang


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen NYC Ferry sinking 1904 #general

Alan Radack <alrack@...>
 

My father remembered, as a young boy on the lower East side of Manhattan
,that a great disaster had occurred on the East River.in 1904 .the
sinking of a ferry laden with women and children on a day trip out on
the river. Over one thousand person died, several hundred were rescued.
He remembered the outpouring on the streets of the lower East side in
memory and in grief over this great tragedy. My dad's family had arrived
in March of 1904 and this sinking occurred in June so it was sharply
etched in his memory of those early years. The name of the ship was the
General Slocum.Apparently >from what I have read, the Lutheran Church on
East 6th Street , the sponsor of the outing, in subsequent years became
a Jewish Orthodox synogogue. Does anyone know the name of the synogogue
and the date it was established? Is there other information on what went
on in the area after the tragedy. Alan Radack, Swampscott, MA
Searching for:
REDAK,MILLER,SLOMANKSI,POSNER,WEISBERG,STEIN,CLINE,AARONSON AUERON
( Augustow,Suwalki,Filipow,Grodno,Netta,Sidra)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen For Michele, re; ROZENBLAT from Kielce #general

sophie frankenberg <sophiemend@...>
 

Dear Michele,

I accidentally erased your address while replying directly.

I was wondering whether the ROZENBLATS you are researching in Kielce could
have been my relatives, originally >from Zamosc. My grandfather's eldest
sister, Beila[b. about 1880] married Moshe ROZENBLAT. They had 7 children,
and remained in Kiev after WW1. The whole family had spent the war years
there, and then only this branch stayed in 1918.

Could it be possible, that at some later stage they returned to Poland,to
Kielce? Maybe to escape the revolution?

Please answer, and fill me in on what you know.

Happy Passover

Sophie FRANKENBERG [sophiemend@hotmail.com]

Researching: MENDELSON in Zamosc
HERING Zamosc vicinity
GOLDBAUM Lublin
FRYDMAN or FRIDMAN Lublin and Chelm
GOLDMAN Kotzk [Kock]


Israel search techniques needed #general

Lili1121 <lili1121@...>
 

The widow of my uncle, estranged >from the family, was last seen by the
family at his funeral in NY about 1952. She was born about 1890. I have
checked the SSDI-she's not there; her plot at the cemetary is unused; no
trace. But a rumor many years ago was that she moved to Israel and died
there OR died here and the body was shipped to Israel for burial. She was
a extremely religious women. They had no children. Any suggestions as to
how I might check this further in Israel? Thank you. Murray SHAINIS

ADELMAN/EIDELMAN, CHERVONNIY, SHAPIRO, MICHALOVICH,CHADAKOFSKY,
BENEDITSKY/BENJAMIN,SHAINIS/SHEINIS--all Belaya Tserkov, Ukraine;
ADDY ADELMAN -- Kiev,Ukraine


Adele KATZ? GUNST? EISOLD? #general

Paula Eisenstein Baker <eisenbak@...>
 

Posting for a colleague: looking for
information (professions, origins, first
names of siblings, whereabouts of
descendants, etc.) about the family of
Adele Terese KATZ, New York music
theory/music composition (possibly also
piano?) teacher.

b. Aug. 1887, San Francisco, CA; d. May
1979, New York, NY. Never married.
Father: Emanuel KATZ
Mother: Hannah GUNST

KATZ family lived ca. 1900 at 308
McDonough, Brooklyn, NY.

Adele lived ca.1930s-60s) at 277 West
End Ave., New York, NY. Taught theory at
Studios of Music Education on West 94
St., Manhattan, ca. 1940-1960.

Adele's brother(s) (first names?) had ad
agency (company name unknown), on
Madison Ave, NY.

Adele's nephew: Eugene KATZ; grand
niece: Barbara EISOLD; grand nephew:
John KATZ.

Private replies, please,
to me and I will forward.

Thanks!
Paula Eisenstein Baker
Houston, TX
USA

MODERATOR NOTE: Third-party e-mail address deleted for privacy.


Looking for jewish imagration records #general

Jeffrey Schlang <j-schlang1@...>
 

Hello,

Anybody know where I can find imagration records.
All I know is that my grandfather was born here and
I think his father was not.
My grandfather was born in the early 1900's.

Thanks for any help.

MODERATOR NOTE: Be sure to read the JewishGen FAQ and
look through the InfoFiles -- there is some great
information about immigration records.

FAQ: <http://www.jewishgen.org/infofiles/faq.html>
InfoFiles: <http://www.jewishgen.org/infofiles/>


Orhei = Orgiev -- Thank you #general

Vladimir Tetelbaum
 

Hi,

Indeed many people replied that Orhei is Ogiev or
Orgyev or Orgeev or etc.

I now know where to look next.

Thank you, everyone.
Vladimir
Foster City, CA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Israel search techniques needed #general

Lili1121 <lili1121@...>
 

The widow of my uncle, estranged >from the family, was last seen by the
family at his funeral in NY about 1952. She was born about 1890. I have
checked the SSDI-she's not there; her plot at the cemetary is unused; no
trace. But a rumor many years ago was that she moved to Israel and died
there OR died here and the body was shipped to Israel for burial. She was
a extremely religious women. They had no children. Any suggestions as to
how I might check this further in Israel? Thank you. Murray SHAINIS

ADELMAN/EIDELMAN, CHERVONNIY, SHAPIRO, MICHALOVICH,CHADAKOFSKY,
BENEDITSKY/BENJAMIN,SHAINIS/SHEINIS--all Belaya Tserkov, Ukraine;
ADDY ADELMAN -- Kiev,Ukraine


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Adele KATZ? GUNST? EISOLD? #general

Paula Eisenstein Baker <eisenbak@...>
 

Posting for a colleague: looking for
information (professions, origins, first
names of siblings, whereabouts of
descendants, etc.) about the family of
Adele Terese KATZ, New York music
theory/music composition (possibly also
piano?) teacher.

b. Aug. 1887, San Francisco, CA; d. May
1979, New York, NY. Never married.
Father: Emanuel KATZ
Mother: Hannah GUNST

KATZ family lived ca. 1900 at 308
McDonough, Brooklyn, NY.

Adele lived ca.1930s-60s) at 277 West
End Ave., New York, NY. Taught theory at
Studios of Music Education on West 94
St., Manhattan, ca. 1940-1960.

Adele's brother(s) (first names?) had ad
agency (company name unknown), on
Madison Ave, NY.

Adele's nephew: Eugene KATZ; grand
niece: Barbara EISOLD; grand nephew:
John KATZ.

Private replies, please,
to me and I will forward.

Thanks!
Paula Eisenstein Baker
Houston, TX
USA

MODERATOR NOTE: Third-party e-mail address deleted for privacy.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Looking for jewish imagration records #general

Jeffrey Schlang <j-schlang1@...>
 

Hello,

Anybody know where I can find imagration records.
All I know is that my grandfather was born here and
I think his father was not.
My grandfather was born in the early 1900's.

Thanks for any help.

MODERATOR NOTE: Be sure to read the JewishGen FAQ and
look through the InfoFiles -- there is some great
information about immigration records.

FAQ: <http://www.jewishgen.org/infofiles/faq.html>
InfoFiles: <http://www.jewishgen.org/infofiles/>


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Orhei = Orgiev -- Thank you #general

Vladimir Tetelbaum
 

Hi,

Indeed many people replied that Orhei is Ogiev or
Orgyev or Orgeev or etc.

I now know where to look next.

Thank you, everyone.
Vladimir
Foster City, CA