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Re: Does DNA prove that Jews are a race? #dna

Eva Lawrence
 

Like some other people in the discussion group, when asked about my ethnicity on the census, I put 'other' and inserted 'Jewish', because that option wasn't given automatically. In an effort not to hurt any tender feelings, the British govermment is afraid to use the word 'race' at all or to admit that Jews are a race,  like other equally problematic categories which they list,  although we mostly feel that we are.  Most of us if we're honest, have a slightly different attitude to our own ethnic group than to any other.

I think of it as belonging to a family, which is an indefinable feeling, but a primitive animal instinct. Richard Dawkins' memorable title 'The selfish gene' says it all. This family instinct is the result of centuries of Jews marrying only other Jews from a similar background,  which differentiated them from their neighbours and still does. 
Though globalisation and assimilation  our ethnicity was disappearing, but I can see that this 'keeping slightly apart'  is coming back, both for Jews and for other minorities, in England, at least.  Each group is accusing other people of discrimination against them, and the acts of  protest unite them  in confirming their identity as 'other'  and separates them from what they see as the indigenous population. 'Identity' seems to be the word that is at issue today. 
I am of the controversial opinion  that centuries of marrying your own kind can be seen to affect many  characteristics of the group, mental and physical. The configuration of the brain isn't as easily studied as the length of ones legs or ones nose, but clearly is also inherited in the same way. It is no accident that there are musical families and dynasties of actors.   Not that either mental or physical traits  are  the same fot al individuals in a  group, but the mathematical centre of distribution is further to the left or to the right when one plots a population graph for any one trait, mental or physical in different  family groups - call them a race or an ehnicity or what you will.  Whether the left or the right side of the average of the graph is 'better' depends on one's point of view.   Sometimes it is simply a matter of fashion (shape of nose, type of hair) at other times of the 'acceptable' or 'unacceptable' use to which that particular trait is being put ( artistic, verbal, intuitive or mathematical talent). 

The smaller the intermarrying population the more marked the effect.  This may not be true in the future,  since it has been a declining trend but it is still in evidence  today.  We all turn into our mothers, but our granddaughters are unlikely (in the statistical sense) to be as similar to their grandmothers as was the case  before the industrial revolution replaced shank's pony with the railway,  unless, of course the epidemic shuts down easy travel permanently.


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Eva Lawrence
St Albans, UK.


Portuguese records from 1600s #latinamerica #sephardic #germany

Ozzy Bernstein
 

Hi all,

I'm looking for good sources online where I'd be able to research a correlation between an old Jewish Portuguese family who left in the 1600s and emigrated to Germany where they converted to Christianity. Church or parish record books from the 1600-1700s for conversion? Ship manifests from Portugal to Germany? How do I make such research fruitful. Where do I begin?

All the best,
Ozzy Bernstein


Ancestry UK has Free Access to Historical Records Until 5 April #records

Jan Meisels Allen
 

 

 

 

 

For our friends in the UK, Ancestry UK https://www.ancestry.co.uk/  has free access through 5 April 11:59PM British time (use time zone converter to see what time it is in your part of the world)  https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/converter-classic.html. Registration is required with name, email address and they will send you a password if you don’t already have on for Ancestry UK.  Click in the green box where it says Explore Now.  When you do that it opens to where you can place the name of the person you are researching and a page that says Find Out How to Get Started with a video.

 

No credit card information is requested. This is not the 14-day free trial which does require your credit card information.

 

If you try to access the historical data after the free access period you will be invited to subscribe. You will also be invited to subscribe if you try to access records not included in the free access record collections.

 

I have no affiliation with Ancestry and am sharing this information solely for the information of the readers.

 

Jan Meisels Allen

Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee

 


Re: Surname query Romania/Hungary #romania #hungary

Peninah Zilberman
 

Hi Cheryl,
 
U r right, could be various spellings
Austrian or Hungarian
Pls. Keep in mind the Region was under the Austrian-Hungarian Empire 
However, I always connect Hantz as a Germanic origin...yes could be Austrian
Try various spellings
Good Luck
Peninah Zilberman

Fundatia Tarbut Sighet
+40 74 414 5351
www.ftsighet.com


Re: Freud's neighbor #austria-czech

Stephen Katz
 

I was a neighbor of Freud's former house. I used to live at Berggasse 27. Freud lived at nr. 19. It is now the Freud Museum. The Wohnungsanzeiger linked by Alexander Burstein's comment says that Max Gans-Schiller lived at Porzellang. 16, which was around the corner and down the street (Porzellangasse) from Freud's building, and that he was a businessman dealing in modern office goods or furnishings. You can see a picture of Porzellangasse 16 on Google Maps.

Stephen Katz
New York City


Kiev Tzesarskaya #ukraine

Samuel O
 

Hello,
I would  appreciate any help in my research.
Looking for details about a family named Tzesarskaya  from the city of Kiev, Ukraine.
The names as I know are:
Rebecca (born 1921) and her brother Michael. The parents were Chaya and Aryeh/Aharon Tzesarskaya.
Michael was drafted to the Red Army and disappeared during World War II.
I have no further details and can not find any lead online.

Thank you
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Samuel Ovadia

Ovadia - Turkey  |  Elmalech - Bulgaria  |  Roth - Romania  |  Sztajf - Ukraine  |  Tzesarskaya - Ukraine


Re: Paolono/Paolona and Lita, Russia? #russia #belarus

Michele Lock
 

There is a clue on the naturalization form about where this person is from. He swears off allegiance to both Russia and the Republic of Poland. There was no independent Republic of Poland until after World War I. I think this naturalization form was from 1922, but it is hard to make the date out. If it is 1922, then the petitioner knew that where he lived prior to coming to the US was now within the borders of Interwar Poland. At that time, Lida was part of Poland, though now it is in Western Belarus. [The borders of modern Poland are not quite the same as those for Interwar Poland]

So possibly Lida is meant for the town name, though 'Lita' is also the Yiddish name for Lithuania. And prior to World War I, the town Lida was within the borders of the Vilna Gubernia, most of which is now within the borders of modern Lithuania.

When I've been confronted with these difficult-to-interpret town names, I've found it more useful to research every other US document I can find on a person, including census records, draft cards, and even obituaries. And even more useful was searching out documents on siblings, first cousins, uncles, even children of first cousins, especially for relatives who came to the US after 1910 or so. Their documents may be more clear about where the extended family was from.

Also, I would research the person 'Sorin' who your relative was going to when he arrived in the US. That would be a person he knew from the old country.

I also notice there are 2-3 sentences written in the left had margin of the naturalization form, though they are hard to read. Those might prove useful, too.

Michele Lock

Lock/Lak/Lok and Kalon/Kolon in Zagare/Joniskis/Gruzdziai, Lithuania
Trisinsky/Trushinsky/Sturisky and Leybman in Dotnuva, Lithuania
Olitsky in Alytus, Suwalki, Poland/Lithuania
Gutman/Goodman in Czestochowa, Poland
Lavine/Lev/Lew in Trenton, New Jersey and Lida/Vilna gub., Belarus


Re: How long for visa/naturalization records from USCIS? #records #usa

Michele Lock
 

Thanks for the updated information from everyone. In early June it will be six months since I sent in my requests, so I'll wait until then to contact them for an update.

It is interesting that the email response above from USCIS said they are taking 120-140 business days to respond to requests. If I recall correctly, the USCIS website says, at least normally, that it should take 90 days, not 90 business days. They also have no notice on the website about the extended time it is taking for them to search and respond.

I work for a US federal agency, and the law we work under says 90 days for our agency to respond to various inquiries/document submissions. This is 90 calendar days, not 90 business days. This has not changed due to the Covid issue, because the law we work under has not changed. Then again, there is no law that says the USCIS must respond to genealogy requests. 
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Michele Lock

Lock/Lak/Lok and Kalon/Kolon in Zagare/Joniskis/Gruzdziai, Lithuania
Trisinsky/Trushinsky/Sturisky and Leybman in Dotnuva, Lithuania
Olitsky in Alytus, Suwalki, Poland/Lithuania
Gutman/Goodman in Czestochowa, Poland
Lavine/Lev/Lew in Trenton, New Jersey and Lida/Vilna gub., Belarus


Re: Does DNA prove that Jews are a race? #dna

June Genis
 

Whenever I am asked to supply my race on a survey I always select Other and write in Human.
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June Genis, 650--851-5224
Hemet, CA
Researching: GENIS, OKUN, SUSMAN, ETTINGER, KESSLER/CHESLER (Russian/Polish Empires)


Re: How to recreate previously found Jewishgen census record UK 1851 #records

David Harrison
 

Islington is now an area within London, just to the North of The City.  The Angel, Islington is a pub which has given it's name to a cross roads (road junction), now on the boundary of the Clean Air Zone, it is part of one of the present Boroughs which now each include many (20 or 30) of these smaller areas.  What you did wrong was not to understand that that the present boroughs are very large and that the London A-Z Street Map shows the smaller areas but not the borough boundaries.
David Harrison.  I left London 50 years ago and live in Birmingham, England


From: main@... <main@...> on behalf of r.peeters <ronpeeters311@...>
Sent: 03 April 2021 14:09
To: main@... <main@...>
Subject: [JewishGen.org] How to recreate previously found Jewishgen census record UK 1851 #records
 
Following record found before. Today accessing Unified Search : on town name Islington not found; on town name London 1 found different person ID 22406; UK census 9 records found all from Leeds; tried  JCR files past week,and today again no succes. 
What did I do wrong?
 Ron Peeters (NL)


Re: Help in translating birth record #translation #poland

Alan Shuchat
 

Belinda,

I think the word after Snowicz is essentially the same as the word at the end and means something like resides. Then I think Lieb and Sara live in the town beginning with Remi. That's probably Remezovtsy in Russian, Remezivtsi in Ukrainian, only about 6 km from Snowicz.
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Alan Shuchat
Newton, MA

SHUKHAT (Talnoe, Simferopol, Sevastopol, Odessa, Balta (Abazovka), Pogrebishche)
VINOKUR (Talnoe), KURIS (Mogilev-Podolskiy, Ataki, Berdichev)
ZILBERMAN (Soroki, Kremenets), BIRNBAUM (Kamenets-Podolskiy)
KITAIGORODSKI (Zvenigorodka)


Re: The old Synagogue, East-Terrace, Cardiff c. 1897 #unitedkingdom #records

David Harrison
 

Neil and any others on the Cardiff trail

I would have thought that the records of Clubs and Societies (and similar) relating to a Synagogue were kept in the Archives.  A first source to try would be the town or County Archives.  Maybe some features might be kept at Welsh National level, which I would doubt.   If the Synagogue was in a British Isles grouping, such as United Synagogue, they might have their own archive; many organisations have their records at Southampton University in a special Library (the name escapes me).   Main items of Jewish interest would most likely be in the Hewish Chronicle.   Some bits and bobs with links may well be known to whoever looks after records for other Synagogues, any Jewish School or Cemetery, you might need to ask as far away as Hereford, Gloucester or Bath for extant still alive and working societies which certainly have groups which hold communal services (they are the South Wales Boundary of my own Birmingham congregation with (fairly active) members in Anglesey and Aberystwyth.

I hope this gives you some ideas,
keep safe and enjoy

David Harrison
Birmingham, England
(or GB but not UK which comes from the US of A )


From: main@... <main@...> on behalf of Neil via groups.jewishgen.org <neilgb=btinternet.com@...>
Sent: 01 April 2021 21:39
To: main@... <main@...>
Subject: [JewishGen.org] The old Synagogue, East-Terrace, Cardiff c. 1897 #unitedkingdom #records
 
Hi 

I'm trying to track down any society records, and ideally photographs of the Jewish community in late 19th Century Cardiff. Has anyone come across or can direct me to where I can possibly find?
In 1897 one of my ancestors married into what appears to be a relatively well-to-do family in the city, at what reads as (according to the local press) a very big ceremony. All the special for it being the last one held at the East Terrace Synagogue before it relocated to the premises on Cathedral Road. After the ceremony "the bridal party drove to the Fine At Gallery on Queen Street, where a reception was held in the evening".

Sadly the local press that I've found (online) limits the description of the events to a vivid text commentary of this event. Other articles suggest a very socially and philanthropic active local community in Cardiff at the time.
Grasping at straws but this might offer an avenue to getting to understand more about my relatives past lives and dare I hope see what they looked like. So all pointers, suggestions, reference books, contacts and archive help much appreciated.

Many thanks

Neil

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Neil Ashton
London UK
Interested in Locations: Berdichev/Odessa.
Surnames: Nesanelis/Litinzisky (to name but two)

and in the UK Levene and Brooks.


Re: Surname query Romania/Hungary #romania #hungary

Vivian Kahn
 

Note that HANS would be pronounced Hansch in Hungarian, which is a different surname. HANCZ is pronounced like Hantz.
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Vivian Kahn, Santa Rosa, California
Researching families including:
BERKOVICS/BERKOWITZ/ROTH/GROSZ. Avas Ujvaros, Hungary/Orasu Nou, Romania
KAHAN/JOSIPOVITS/DUB, Sziget, Kabolacsarda, Nagyvarad, Hungary/Sighet, Ciarda, Oradea, Romania
KOHN/Zbegnyo/ Zbehnov, Tarnoka/Trnavka, Slovakia; Cleveland  LEFKOVITS/Kolbasa/Brezina, Slovakia
MOSKOVITS/Honkocz, Szobranc, Osztro, Kassa, Hungary/Chonkovce, Sobrance, Ostrov, Kosice, Slov., Nyiregyhaza, Hungary
ELOVITS/Hornya, Hungary/Horna, Slovakia
NEUMANN/Szeretva, Kereszt, Nagymihaly, Miskolc, Hung./Sobrance, Kristy, Stretavka, Michalovce, Slov. 
POLACSEK/Hunfalu, Hungary/Huncovce, Slovakia
SPITZ/Nikolsburg/Mikulov, Prosnitz/Prostejov, Moravia/Czech Republic; Kismarton/Eisenstadt, Hungary/Austria; Hunfalu,Hungary//Huncovce, Slovakia


Re: Luzow? - Poland town name #poland

Max Heffler
 

I found a Jezow near there in case it was a misread of a few letters,

 

Max Heffler

Houston, TX

 

From: main@... [mailto:main@...] On Behalf Of kosfiszer8 via groups.jewishgen.org
Sent: Saturday, April 3, 2021 7:38 AM
To: main@...
Subject: Re: [JewishGen.org] Luzow? - Poland town name #poland

 

I checked around Pabianice and there are no towns with that name near by. There is a Lukow near the Belarus border, where many Jews were transported to during the 2nd WW.
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Angel Kosfiszer

Richardson, Texas


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Max Heffler
Houston, TX
max@...
HEFFLER(Ukraine)/TIRAS(Poland)/WASSEMAN(Lithuania)/MOORE(Poland)/ZLOT(Lithuania)
GORENSTEIN(Ukraine)/FLEISCHMAN(Latvia)/GOLDEN(Lithuania)


Re: Does DNA prove that Jews are a race? #dna

Robert Hanna
 

I am 100% Ashkenazi.  On any form that asks for race, I check other and write in "Semitic."  This is probably going to start a whole new discussion on this topic but, what the heck.

Robert Hanna
NYC

CHANAN, HANAN, BLUMENBLAT (Poland)
KARASIK, THOMASHOW, COHEN (Babruysk, Belarus)
RUBINSTEIN, BUNDEROFF, PASTILNIK, NEMOYTEN, DISKIN (Minsk, Belarus)


Re: Does DNA prove that Jews are a race? #dna

Adam Cherson
 

The Ancestry DNA results show that there is a sub-population of Jews (Ashkenazim) who share certain identifiable genotypical patterns. I would go one step further to say that these genotypical patterns include a commonly shared Near Eastern ancestry (however, it is important to note that this Near Eastern ancestry is not the only phylogeographic ancestry shared by Ashkenazim). Since no population is 100% homogeneous genetically, the facts presented by DNA evidence don't mesh well with socio-political concepts such as race, nationality, and minority status-- when speaking about genetic genealogy I avoid any of these terms.

--Adam Cherson


How to recreate previously found Jewishgen census record UK 1851 #records

r.peeters
 

Following record found before. Today accessing Unified Search : on town name Islington not found; on town name London 1 found different person ID 22406; UK census 9 records found all from Leeds; tried  JCR files past week,and today again no succes. 
What did I do wrong?
 Ron Peeters (NL)


Re: JRI Poland Success with JRI surname list! Wladyslawow = Wloclawek? #poland

Jill Whitehead
 

On Fri, Apr 2, 2021 at 07:24 AM, J.R. Silver wrote:
Wladyslawow was in my ancestral area of Suwalki, NE Poland during 19th century, but it went into Lithuania in 1919 after WW1 Peace settlement.
Jill Whitehead, Surrey, UK


Re: Freud's neighbor #austria-czech

Jill Whitehead
 

Freud lived in an apartment block in Vienna which I have visited when on holiday about 10 years ago. His home is a tourist attraction which is online. From memory, there is a fair bit of info about his neighbours in the guide books to his home. But you can also find the Vienna phone directories on Ancestry, and you could try looking these up. 

Jill Whitehead, Surrey, UK


Re: Paolono/Paolona and Lita, Russia? #russia #belarus

Jill Whitehead
 

Lita is in a border area. It is now part of Belarus (since 1945) but has also been part of Lithuania (1918-1945) and also Suwalki gubernia in Poland in the19th century and up to WW1. My late cousin's middle name was Lita, as some of the family came from there when it was part of Suwalki.  

Jill Whitehead, Surrey, UK

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