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given name translation #ukraine

Mark Saul <MSaul@...>
 

Message text written by NOSHOWCLC@...

I unfortunately only have on name in this family line - Rebecca
BOGOMOLNY. Rebecca never left the Ukraine, except to visit her sons in
the United States. They referred to her as Rebecca, but would this be
an Americanized version of her name?

The name is clearly Slavic, meaning 'praying to God', or perhaps
'religious' or 'believiing'.


Mark Saul
New York, NY


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine given name translation #ukraine

Mark Saul <MSaul@...>
 

Message text written by NOSHOWCLC@...

I unfortunately only have on name in this family line - Rebecca
BOGOMOLNY. Rebecca never left the Ukraine, except to visit her sons in
the United States. They referred to her as Rebecca, but would this be
an Americanized version of her name?

The name is clearly Slavic, meaning 'praying to God', or perhaps
'religious' or 'believiing'.


Mark Saul
New York, NY


Re: [NL] SSDI Listings are Unstable #ukraine

NOSHOWCLC@...
 

In reading your post about having problems with SSDI on rootsweb and
ancestry, which are tied to one another, I posted your question to another
rootsweb list and received this reply. Hope it helps.

Susan Curelop

Re: posting once and finding records, and not finding them the second time...
<< This could mean one of two things.

1) The person doing the search entered the search criteria a bit
differently this time than he did the first time around. If that is the
case, the record it still there but the person searching isn't finding it
due to typing in information that doesn't agree *exactly* with what he
searched for before.
OR...

2) A correction was made to the entry in a subsequent monthly update put
out by the SSA and that change or removal of the entry is resulting in it
no longer being found in a search.
>>


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re: [NL] SSDI Listings are Unstable #ukraine

NOSHOWCLC@...
 

In reading your post about having problems with SSDI on rootsweb and
ancestry, which are tied to one another, I posted your question to another
rootsweb list and received this reply. Hope it helps.

Susan Curelop

Re: posting once and finding records, and not finding them the second time...
<< This could mean one of two things.

1) The person doing the search entered the search criteria a bit
differently this time than he did the first time around. If that is the
case, the record it still there but the person searching isn't finding it
due to typing in information that doesn't agree *exactly* with what he
searched for before.
OR...

2) A correction was made to the entry in a subsequent monthly update put
out by the SSA and that change or removal of the entry is resulting in it
no longer being found in a search.
>>


Re: Ancestry of Rose GELLER #ukraine

Touger, Jerry <jtouger@...>
 

I wonder in this case whether the recorded information is correct in each
source. I've seen equally strange discrepancies in my own family: my
maternal grandmother's mother's maiden name is given on three different
documents as Becky LEVINSON (on my grandparents' marriage certificate), Ida
BROWNSTEIN (on my grandmother's youngest brother's social security
application) and Chaia DUBRISH (on an older brother's social security
application). I wonder if all of this doesn't just reflect a casualness
about names (especially in English) for the offical record.
As an aside, I have some GELLERs on a branch of my maternal grandfather's
family tree. My mother's cousin Bess was married to a Milton GELLER. Our
last information (about two decades old) had them in Skokie, Illinois. They
had two sons.

Jerry Touger
Milton, MA, USA
jtouger@...


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re:Ancestry of Rose GELLER #ukraine

Touger, Jerry <jtouger@...>
 

I wonder in this case whether the recorded information is correct in each
source. I've seen equally strange discrepancies in my own family: my
maternal grandmother's mother's maiden name is given on three different
documents as Becky LEVINSON (on my grandparents' marriage certificate), Ida
BROWNSTEIN (on my grandmother's youngest brother's social security
application) and Chaia DUBRISH (on an older brother's social security
application). I wonder if all of this doesn't just reflect a casualness
about names (especially in English) for the offical record.
As an aside, I have some GELLERs on a branch of my maternal grandfather's
family tree. My mother's cousin Bess was married to a Milton GELLER. Our
last information (about two decades old) had them in Skokie, Illinois. They
had two sons.

Jerry Touger
Milton, MA, USA
jtouger@...


Re: When, and where did the Holocaust start? #general

Robert Fraser <rgfraser@...>
 

I would trace the Shoah to 22 March 1933, when Dachau Concentration Camp
was opened.

Robert W Fraser
rgfraser@...

Kristallnacht took place on November 9th, 1938


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: When, and where did the Holocaust start? #general

Robert Fraser <rgfraser@...>
 

I would trace the Shoah to 22 March 1933, when Dachau Concentration Camp
was opened.

Robert W Fraser
rgfraser@...

Kristallnacht took place on November 9th, 1938


NOGACZ #general

happylady <happylady@...>
 

Looking for family. My grandfather, Solomon Nouget (born Szulim Menachem
Nogacz, 1878, in Lodz, Poland) married Mildred (Malke) Skoll (born approx.
1877 in Bialystok) in London, England (approx. 1907-8). He had brother,
Henry, who went to Zurich. Henry had 3 sons, Max (I think his wife was
Birdie.She had daughter &son), Wolf,and Pinchus (had son and daughter).
Henry also had a daughter,Esty Niedrig (lived Classiusstrasse, husband
named Max Niedrig, who was born in Lemberg, son Franklin Delano Niedrig).In
Zurich name was Nogatch.
2 sisters went to Milan, Italy.
Grandfather's brother, Mathis went to Paris with my grandfather. Mathis
married and had two children, Pauline and Maurice (born Paris March 1911)
Pauline was married and had a daughter lived on Rue de Rosier. Maurice had
antique store on Boulevard St. Germaine..Married to Elyse, 2 daughters.
Grandfather also had half sister in Paris, name Rotkopf, who had son
Yankel. In 1911, my grandfather, grandmother, and grandmother's son George
came to USA. They had been married in London, approx 1907-9.
Can anyone help me with more info?
Rhoda Nouget Gibbs Gilbert


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen NOGACZ #general

happylady <happylady@...>
 

Looking for family. My grandfather, Solomon Nouget (born Szulim Menachem
Nogacz, 1878, in Lodz, Poland) married Mildred (Malke) Skoll (born approx.
1877 in Bialystok) in London, England (approx. 1907-8). He had brother,
Henry, who went to Zurich. Henry had 3 sons, Max (I think his wife was
Birdie.She had daughter &son), Wolf,and Pinchus (had son and daughter).
Henry also had a daughter,Esty Niedrig (lived Classiusstrasse, husband
named Max Niedrig, who was born in Lemberg, son Franklin Delano Niedrig).In
Zurich name was Nogatch.
2 sisters went to Milan, Italy.
Grandfather's brother, Mathis went to Paris with my grandfather. Mathis
married and had two children, Pauline and Maurice (born Paris March 1911)
Pauline was married and had a daughter lived on Rue de Rosier. Maurice had
antique store on Boulevard St. Germaine..Married to Elyse, 2 daughters.
Grandfather also had half sister in Paris, name Rotkopf, who had son
Yankel. In 1911, my grandfather, grandmother, and grandmother's son George
came to USA. They had been married in London, approx 1907-9.
Can anyone help me with more info?
Rhoda Nouget Gibbs Gilbert


California Death Index & Social Security Death Index #general

Martin Kronman <mkronman@...>
 

I have been regularly using both the California and the Social Security
Death Indices (SSDI) in searching for members of the KRONMAN family in the
United State and have found some very interesting differences in the names
I find when I access either the Social Security list and the California
lists, depending on the organization that has put the data on the web. I
have found for example that a KRONMAN who I find on the RootsWebweb SSDI
site is completely missing on the ancestor.com version and perhaps for
some vica versa. I think that this experience demonstrates that when a
name is not found on a particular version of the SSDI, not because the
Social Security Administration has not been notified of the persons death,
as has often been proposed, but rather due to the vagaries of a site
sponser in using the SSDI master list.

A more important distinction is seen when one looks at the California Death
index on different sites. On the Rootsweb site if I simply search by the
Surname KRONMAN all I get as expected are KRONMANS who have died, together
with their mother's and fathers surnames. When I did the same search on the
Ancestry.com version of the CA death index. it turns up names of persons
who have died for anyone whose mother or father's surname was KRONMAN. For
example in searching for KRONMAN on Ancestors.com I turned up a Regina
Wilson whose father was KRONMAN and a David Gross, whose mother's maiden
name was KRONMAN. The latter is of some interest in that this clearly
indicates a KRONMAN married to a GROSS which is of great interest to me. I
would never have found this if I depended completely on the RootWeb site.
One other diffence in the two versions of the CA death index is that on the
RootsWeb site, when someone is born outside of the United States, no
country of origin is given; instead you find the word "Rest" which doesn't
help much. On the Ancestor.com site in most cases you get the country of
birth (for KRONMANS found both Finland and Hungary, which is what I might
have expected. In only one case of someone born outside of the United
States did I find the words "Other Country"

I think that my experience shows that one should carefully check different
"versions" of what should be identical SSDI and CADI, particularly if you
want to get SS-5 forms as many family members as you can.

Martin J. Kronman
Syracuse, NY
Researching KRONMAN in the United States, Belarus, Poland and Scandinavia
GROMAN, KROMAN, KRAMAN in the United States, Poland, Belaruse and the Ukraine


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen California Death Index & Social Security Death Index #general

Martin Kronman <mkronman@...>
 

I have been regularly using both the California and the Social Security
Death Indices (SSDI) in searching for members of the KRONMAN family in the
United State and have found some very interesting differences in the names
I find when I access either the Social Security list and the California
lists, depending on the organization that has put the data on the web. I
have found for example that a KRONMAN who I find on the RootsWebweb SSDI
site is completely missing on the ancestor.com version and perhaps for
some vica versa. I think that this experience demonstrates that when a
name is not found on a particular version of the SSDI, not because the
Social Security Administration has not been notified of the persons death,
as has often been proposed, but rather due to the vagaries of a site
sponser in using the SSDI master list.

A more important distinction is seen when one looks at the California Death
index on different sites. On the Rootsweb site if I simply search by the
Surname KRONMAN all I get as expected are KRONMANS who have died, together
with their mother's and fathers surnames. When I did the same search on the
Ancestry.com version of the CA death index. it turns up names of persons
who have died for anyone whose mother or father's surname was KRONMAN. For
example in searching for KRONMAN on Ancestors.com I turned up a Regina
Wilson whose father was KRONMAN and a David Gross, whose mother's maiden
name was KRONMAN. The latter is of some interest in that this clearly
indicates a KRONMAN married to a GROSS which is of great interest to me. I
would never have found this if I depended completely on the RootWeb site.
One other diffence in the two versions of the CA death index is that on the
RootsWeb site, when someone is born outside of the United States, no
country of origin is given; instead you find the word "Rest" which doesn't
help much. On the Ancestor.com site in most cases you get the country of
birth (for KRONMANS found both Finland and Hungary, which is what I might
have expected. In only one case of someone born outside of the United
States did I find the words "Other Country"

I think that my experience shows that one should carefully check different
"versions" of what should be identical SSDI and CADI, particularly if you
want to get SS-5 forms as many family members as you can.

Martin J. Kronman
Syracuse, NY
Researching KRONMAN in the United States, Belarus, Poland and Scandinavia
GROMAN, KROMAN, KRAMAN in the United States, Poland, Belaruse and the Ukraine


Nancy, France #general

Daniel Kazez <dkazez@...>
 

I have learned that the BRODA branch of my Englander family
tree left Zarki, Poland in 1929 and settled first in the city
of Epinal, France and then in the city of Nancy, France.

Please let me know if you are >from Nancy or Epinal or if you
are familiar with resources available for learning about
residents of either of these cities--especially Nancy.

Daniel Kazez <dkazez@...>
http://userpages.wittenberg.edu/dkazez/fam/ent/
ENGLANDER in Toronto and New York.
ALHADEFF in Cuba. LEBOY in Florida. FRESKO in Paris.
DEVIDAS and KAZEZ in Argentina and Leipzig.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Nancy, France #general

Daniel Kazez <dkazez@...>
 

I have learned that the BRODA branch of my Englander family
tree left Zarki, Poland in 1929 and settled first in the city
of Epinal, France and then in the city of Nancy, France.

Please let me know if you are >from Nancy or Epinal or if you
are familiar with resources available for learning about
residents of either of these cities--especially Nancy.

Daniel Kazez <dkazez@...>
http://userpages.wittenberg.edu/dkazez/fam/ent/
ENGLANDER in Toronto and New York.
ALHADEFF in Cuba. LEBOY in Florida. FRESKO in Paris.
DEVIDAS and KAZEZ in Argentina and Leipzig.


Old Mental Health Records Follow Up #general

Liverlip1 <liverlip1@...>
 

Several weeks ago, I posted a message asking for any help in locating
mental health records on a long lost g.g. uncle. All i knew was that he had
been committed to Byberry State Hospital, here in Philadelphia in the
1930's. Byberry has since been closed down for some 15 years now.
Thanks to some of the responses I received, I contacted the Pennsylvania
state dept. of mental health. They put me in touch with someone at
Norristown State Hospital (where Byberry's records were transferred after
it closed). I wrote a letter to the head of the records department at
Norristown State requesting any info/records on my great great uncle ( I
am considered the next of kin). Much to my surpirse, I received a letter
in the mail yesterday, explaining that they had researched my query and
had found 2 index cards with information on my uncle (A photo of him was
attached along with his health history information). The records
department even included a photocopy of the records!! I couldn't believe
it!! Unfortuantely, my g.g uncle died in the hospital, after having spent
22 years of his life there.
There's just one problem though... the next of kin listed is a
brother, an Arthur Feldman, somebody that I've never heard of before.
However, I am almost certain that this is my g.g. uncle, mainly through
the date of birth (1883), the year he was committed (1935), and place of
birth (Russia). For occupation, it listed my g.g uncle as a cobbler (my
great grandfather, his brother, was a cobbler as well). Now I'm
wondering, is it possible that whoever had him committed, put a fake name
down as next of kin?? I think its just weird.
Any ideas?? I have a date of death so I can send away for the death
certificate, but I don't think that'll answer any questions...

Sincerely,
David Feldman

Searching for: FELDMAN, HERMAN, ZONAN-ZONAND, LANDSBERG


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Old Mental Health Records Follow Up #general

Liverlip1 <liverlip1@...>
 

Several weeks ago, I posted a message asking for any help in locating
mental health records on a long lost g.g. uncle. All i knew was that he had
been committed to Byberry State Hospital, here in Philadelphia in the
1930's. Byberry has since been closed down for some 15 years now.
Thanks to some of the responses I received, I contacted the Pennsylvania
state dept. of mental health. They put me in touch with someone at
Norristown State Hospital (where Byberry's records were transferred after
it closed). I wrote a letter to the head of the records department at
Norristown State requesting any info/records on my great great uncle ( I
am considered the next of kin). Much to my surpirse, I received a letter
in the mail yesterday, explaining that they had researched my query and
had found 2 index cards with information on my uncle (A photo of him was
attached along with his health history information). The records
department even included a photocopy of the records!! I couldn't believe
it!! Unfortuantely, my g.g uncle died in the hospital, after having spent
22 years of his life there.
There's just one problem though... the next of kin listed is a
brother, an Arthur Feldman, somebody that I've never heard of before.
However, I am almost certain that this is my g.g. uncle, mainly through
the date of birth (1883), the year he was committed (1935), and place of
birth (Russia). For occupation, it listed my g.g uncle as a cobbler (my
great grandfather, his brother, was a cobbler as well). Now I'm
wondering, is it possible that whoever had him committed, put a fake name
down as next of kin?? I think its just weird.
Any ideas?? I have a date of death so I can send away for the death
certificate, but I don't think that'll answer any questions...

Sincerely,
David Feldman

Searching for: FELDMAN, HERMAN, ZONAN-ZONAND, LANDSBERG


AOL Anti-Spam Effort Loses E-mail #yiddish

Carol Skydell <cskydell@...>
 

Please release immediately.

Well folks.....we've been hearing complaints about this for a long time.
AOL has never been responsive to JewishGen's pleas for attention to this
matter.....guess Earthlink apparently has gotten some positive action.
<grin>

Read the Associated Press News at

<http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/20010319/tc/missing_e_mail_4.html>

Carol

Carol Skydell, JewishGen Vice President, Operations


Yiddish Theatre and Vadeville #YiddishTheatre AOL Anti-Spam Effort Loses E-mail #yiddish

Carol Skydell <cskydell@...>
 

Please release immediately.

Well folks.....we've been hearing complaints about this for a long time.
AOL has never been responsive to JewishGen's pleas for attention to this
matter.....guess Earthlink apparently has gotten some positive action.
<grin>

Read the Associated Press News at

<http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/20010319/tc/missing_e_mail_4.html>

Carol

Carol Skydell, JewishGen Vice President, Operations


Re: Finally found parents store! #general

Myra S. Davis <myrabokpg@...>
 

Just found a piece of my missing puzzle and wanted to share it with all
of you.
For several years I have been trying to find the location and name of my
parents candy and ice cream store. It was in Chicago and was told by a
very old relative that it was on Pulaski near Augusta Blvd. I knew about
the years they had it 1932 to 1934 because I remember living in the back
and was not yet in school. I tired every place I could think of such as
University of IL the Historical Archives, The county assessors office,
Tax offices you name it. I even had pages sent interlibrary loan but to
no avail. Then I found an e-mail address for the Chicago Public Library
that goes to their research dept. Within two weeks I got a response.
The woman said the problem may have been the street was called Crawford
Ave. until March 1934. But I don't think that was the problem because
they found it. I was also told the old directories didn't go past 1931
which apparently is not true. Anyway the store was listed under
"Confectionery Stores" Eva Davis (my mother) was named and the address
was 1005 N. Crawford Ave. They had the store >from the winter book 1932
to the Feb. book 1934 which is just about correct because in Sept. 1935
my father died and they were living in an apartment.
If there is anyone in that area that could tell me what is there now I
would love to know just out of curiosity.
So the moral of the story is once again, never give up hunting and
searching.

Myra Davis, Tucson, AZ
myrabokpg@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Finally found parents store! #general

Myra S. Davis <myrabokpg@...>
 

Just found a piece of my missing puzzle and wanted to share it with all
of you.
For several years I have been trying to find the location and name of my
parents candy and ice cream store. It was in Chicago and was told by a
very old relative that it was on Pulaski near Augusta Blvd. I knew about
the years they had it 1932 to 1934 because I remember living in the back
and was not yet in school. I tired every place I could think of such as
University of IL the Historical Archives, The county assessors office,
Tax offices you name it. I even had pages sent interlibrary loan but to
no avail. Then I found an e-mail address for the Chicago Public Library
that goes to their research dept. Within two weeks I got a response.
The woman said the problem may have been the street was called Crawford
Ave. until March 1934. But I don't think that was the problem because
they found it. I was also told the old directories didn't go past 1931
which apparently is not true. Anyway the store was listed under
"Confectionery Stores" Eva Davis (my mother) was named and the address
was 1005 N. Crawford Ave. They had the store >from the winter book 1932
to the Feb. book 1934 which is just about correct because in Sept. 1935
my father died and they were living in an apartment.
If there is anyone in that area that could tell me what is there now I
would love to know just out of curiosity.
So the moral of the story is once again, never give up hunting and
searching.

Myra Davis, Tucson, AZ
myrabokpg@...