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Re: Birth Certificate Change after adoption: #general

Al Wirtzbaum <nycityal@...>
 

As genealogists in a time when it is relatively easy to conduct research on
our ancestors and contemporaries, it is also easier to uncover the truth
about people who are adopted. Unfortunately, in earlier times this was not
so. In times of natural or political disasters, plagues and anything else
which may cause separation of families, children would probably be taken in
without having any documentation as to who they were. This, of course,
probably still happens today. Should a DNA test be required before two
people marry to prevent brother >from marrying sister?

Al Wirtzbaum
NYC

One ramification of this is the possibility, albeit very remote of someone
unknowingly marrying a natural sister. Such an act is not only forbidden
in Jewish law but I believe is considered immoral by most civilized
people. There has been at least one documented incident in Israel where
an adopted child actually got engaged to a woman who turned out to be his
natural sister.

Avrumy Heschel

Brooklyn NY

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change of email address #general

Philip Heilbrunn <philiph@...>
 

Our new email address will soon be

rabbfour @bigpond.net.au

Chag Kasher V'sameach

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Croatian birth certificates #general

avidan <BUTCHKUCAN@...>
 

Hello to all, and thanks for the much help you have given me in the
past???A question on birth certificates that come out of Croatia,,,my
family was members of the croation jews on the baptismal records and
when a person was forced to convert to catholic faith, was it common to
have a black star of david on the paper and a number? My grandparent
records have a star of david and a number printed next to the
name....thanks. Avidan ben ami Kucan

butchkucan@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Birth Certificate Change after adoption: #general

Al Wirtzbaum <nycityal@...>
 

As genealogists in a time when it is relatively easy to conduct research on
our ancestors and contemporaries, it is also easier to uncover the truth
about people who are adopted. Unfortunately, in earlier times this was not
so. In times of natural or political disasters, plagues and anything else
which may cause separation of families, children would probably be taken in
without having any documentation as to who they were. This, of course,
probably still happens today. Should a DNA test be required before two
people marry to prevent brother >from marrying sister?

Al Wirtzbaum
NYC

One ramification of this is the possibility, albeit very remote of someone
unknowingly marrying a natural sister. Such an act is not only forbidden
in Jewish law but I believe is considered immoral by most civilized
people. There has been at least one documented incident in Israel where
an adopted child actually got engaged to a woman who turned out to be his
natural sister.

Avrumy Heschel

Brooklyn NY

mailto:bict@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen change of email address #general

Philip Heilbrunn <philiph@...>
 

Our new email address will soon be

rabbfour @bigpond.net.au

Chag Kasher V'sameach

MODERATOR NOTE: Please change your e-mail address for your JewishGen list
subscriptions and your JGFF listing by going to the appropriate pages on
the JewishGen website.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Croatian birth certificates #general

avidan <BUTCHKUCAN@...>
 

Hello to all, and thanks for the much help you have given me in the
past???A question on birth certificates that come out of Croatia,,,my
family was members of the croation jews on the baptismal records and
when a person was forced to convert to catholic faith, was it common to
have a black star of david on the paper and a number? My grandparent
records have a star of david and a number printed next to the
name....thanks. Avidan ben ami Kucan

butchkucan@...


DNA HAIR TEST #dna

sc Spencer <scpantzer@...>
 

Dear Group Members:
My father died with no direct line male survivors. I have a lock of his
hair >from his childhood. Could it be possible to test a hair sample of my
late father to trace his Y chrosomome and mitDNA? Could these genetic
markers then be entered into the Jewish database for matching relatives?
Where would such a test be performed, and what would it cost?
Thank you,

Shirley Pencer

Montreal, Quebec, Canada
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DNA Research #DNA DNA HAIR TEST #dna

sc Spencer <scpantzer@...>
 

Dear Group Members:
My father died with no direct line male survivors. I have a lock of his
hair >from his childhood. Could it be possible to test a hair sample of my
late father to trace his Y chrosomome and mitDNA? Could these genetic
markers then be entered into the Jewish database for matching relatives?
Where would such a test be performed, and what would it cost?
Thank you,

Shirley Pencer

Montreal, Quebec, Canada
_________________________________________________________________
Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com


Neshweiser? #general

ctf-genealogy@...
 

My grandfather always told the family that he was >from Minsk, Kiev, Ukraine,
Russia. I recently received a copy of his SS-5, which lists his place of
birth as "Neshweiser, Russia". I cannot find this town in Shtetl Seeker and
when I typed it in as a general search of the web I got a 0 entries
response.

Does anyone know where this town might be, or have been located? My
grandfather's family emigrated to America sometime between 1892 and 1903.

V. Friedman
Acworth, GA
ctf-genealogy@...


Lask info #general

Miriam Margolyes <75342.3217@...>
 

Thanks to Warren Blatt & Pamela ? who kindly replied to my query
about Lask. In case the info is useful to others, I reproduce it with
permission:

I can find no reference to any JRI-Poland activity for Lask, either any
current data, nor any formed Shtetl CO-OP... so you'll have to go to
the original archival data.

There are no records >from the Prussian period (1793-1807), but there
are records >from the Russian period (1808-1918) and the Polish period
(1918+).

The LDS have microfilmed the 1808-1825 Roman Catholic civil register
of Lask, which would contain the Jewish births, marriages and deaths.
LDS microfilms #808,461 and #808,462.

They've also microfilmed the Jewish registers, 1827-1869 (6 rolls:
#808,471-475, #767,128). The later 19th-century Lask Jewish
registers are at the Polish State Archives branch in Lodz, and
the 20th-century Jewish registers through 1939 are at the Urzad
Stanu Cywilnego (USC = Civil Registration Office) in Lask, all
unmicrofilmed.

Miriam Weiner's "Jewish Roots in Poland", pages 232-233 has further
more precise information about Jewish records of Lask.

Miriam Margolyes
Santa Monica
now in London

email: 75342.3217@...

searching:
SANDEMAN, SYTNER (Lask & South Africa)
LAZARUS (Koronowa & Berlin & London)
GOLDSMITH (London & Brooklyn 1950s)


web-site #general

ian singer <iansinger@...>
 

I wonder if I can get some clarification please?

I am located in Canada.
My web-site is in the US and lists personal information about living
people including name, address, phone, email, pictures etc etc. I know
some people have qualms about this but that is they way I want it. I
will blank address and phone if requested, once I have it, for living
people, but I expect the information to be verified first. Most
relatives will not, or do not have access to look at the site, and
ignore hard copies mailed to them. I had had delivered a letter to some
family members saying information would be posted unless they
specifically denied permission.

My understanding is that the privacy laws in the UK *exclude* genealogy
information posted on personal website that are not for profit. I also
believe that the US and Canada do not accept extraterritorial
application of laws.

I have now received a snail mail letter >from England advising me that
under the English Data Information Act I may not assume the right to
publish information on the web with out consent of all parties
involved. They are also stating that they, their husband, their
children, children's spouses, and children's chidden absolutely reserve
the the right to bar publication of addresses, phone numbers and
photographs on my web-site. Also as executor of their dead parents they
forbid posting any family information or photographs on the dead parents
on any web site.

On first reading I thought they were banning posting their information,
but on writing this I see they are not banning it, except for dead
people, but are just reserving the right to do so.

Am I correct in assuming that their interpretation of the UK law is
incorrect, that the UK law does not apply to me, or my site, that if I
continue to post information the only possible repercussions will be
family hassles?


Ian Singer
Toronto Canada
See my homepage at http://www.iansinger.com


Are you going to Poland soon? JRI-Poland needs an urgent favor #general

Stanley Diamond
 

Dear friends:

Jewish Records Indexing - Poland recently received the gift of a
lap top computer for use in the AGAD Archives project in Warsaw.

It was thoroughly checked and sent to a gentleman in New York
who had kindly offered to shlep the computer to Warsaw for us.

I have just been advised that our volunteer has had to cancel his
trip because of heart problems and will, in fact, undergo surgery
on Wednesday.

So, we are back to square one with the computer.... Can anyone
help us? Please!

Stanley Diamond
Project Coordinator, Jewish Records Indexing - Poland


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Neshweiser? #general

ctf-genealogy@...
 

My grandfather always told the family that he was >from Minsk, Kiev, Ukraine,
Russia. I recently received a copy of his SS-5, which lists his place of
birth as "Neshweiser, Russia". I cannot find this town in Shtetl Seeker and
when I typed it in as a general search of the web I got a 0 entries
response.

Does anyone know where this town might be, or have been located? My
grandfather's family emigrated to America sometime between 1892 and 1903.

V. Friedman
Acworth, GA
ctf-genealogy@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen web-site #general

ian singer <iansinger@...>
 

I wonder if I can get some clarification please?

I am located in Canada.
My web-site is in the US and lists personal information about living
people including name, address, phone, email, pictures etc etc. I know
some people have qualms about this but that is they way I want it. I
will blank address and phone if requested, once I have it, for living
people, but I expect the information to be verified first. Most
relatives will not, or do not have access to look at the site, and
ignore hard copies mailed to them. I had had delivered a letter to some
family members saying information would be posted unless they
specifically denied permission.

My understanding is that the privacy laws in the UK *exclude* genealogy
information posted on personal website that are not for profit. I also
believe that the US and Canada do not accept extraterritorial
application of laws.

I have now received a snail mail letter >from England advising me that
under the English Data Information Act I may not assume the right to
publish information on the web with out consent of all parties
involved. They are also stating that they, their husband, their
children, children's spouses, and children's chidden absolutely reserve
the the right to bar publication of addresses, phone numbers and
photographs on my web-site. Also as executor of their dead parents they
forbid posting any family information or photographs on the dead parents
on any web site.

On first reading I thought they were banning posting their information,
but on writing this I see they are not banning it, except for dead
people, but are just reserving the right to do so.

Am I correct in assuming that their interpretation of the UK law is
incorrect, that the UK law does not apply to me, or my site, that if I
continue to post information the only possible repercussions will be
family hassles?


Ian Singer
Toronto Canada
See my homepage at http://www.iansinger.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Lask info #general

Miriam Margolyes <75342.3217@...>
 

Thanks to Warren Blatt & Pamela ? who kindly replied to my query
about Lask. In case the info is useful to others, I reproduce it with
permission:

I can find no reference to any JRI-Poland activity for Lask, either any
current data, nor any formed Shtetl CO-OP... so you'll have to go to
the original archival data.

There are no records >from the Prussian period (1793-1807), but there
are records >from the Russian period (1808-1918) and the Polish period
(1918+).

The LDS have microfilmed the 1808-1825 Roman Catholic civil register
of Lask, which would contain the Jewish births, marriages and deaths.
LDS microfilms #808,461 and #808,462.

They've also microfilmed the Jewish registers, 1827-1869 (6 rolls:
#808,471-475, #767,128). The later 19th-century Lask Jewish
registers are at the Polish State Archives branch in Lodz, and
the 20th-century Jewish registers through 1939 are at the Urzad
Stanu Cywilnego (USC = Civil Registration Office) in Lask, all
unmicrofilmed.

Miriam Weiner's "Jewish Roots in Poland", pages 232-233 has further
more precise information about Jewish records of Lask.

Miriam Margolyes
Santa Monica
now in London

email: 75342.3217@...

searching:
SANDEMAN, SYTNER (Lask & South Africa)
LAZARUS (Koronowa & Berlin & London)
GOLDSMITH (London & Brooklyn 1950s)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Are you going to Poland soon? JRI-Poland needs an urgent favor #general

Stanley Diamond
 

Dear friends:

Jewish Records Indexing - Poland recently received the gift of a
lap top computer for use in the AGAD Archives project in Warsaw.

It was thoroughly checked and sent to a gentleman in New York
who had kindly offered to shlep the computer to Warsaw for us.

I have just been advised that our volunteer has had to cancel his
trip because of heart problems and will, in fact, undergo surgery
on Wednesday.

So, we are back to square one with the computer.... Can anyone
help us? Please!

Stanley Diamond
Project Coordinator, Jewish Records Indexing - Poland


Re: SS-5 documents, birth locations and names #belarus

Kevin Caughlan <caughlan@...>
 

Is there anyplace in the country where an individual can search the social
security death records instead of forking over $7 for each possible
connection? jc
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Belarus SIG #Belarus RE: SS-5 documents, birth locations and names #belarus

Kevin Caughlan <caughlan@...>
 

Is there anyplace in the country where an individual can search the social
security death records instead of forking over $7 for each possible
connection? jc
--------------
Jenny Caughlan
Signature copied >from membership lists by moderator!
MODERATOR NOTE
Please **DO** remember to sign your messages !!
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In Search of the Joffe Family Source #latvia

Elya B. Joffe <ebj@...>
 

Dear All,

I am asking for your help in the search for my ancestors >from the Joffe
Family.

My name is Elya Joffe, son to Harry Joe Joffe >from South Africa and
Grandson to Hyman Lazor (or Lazar) Joffe >from South-Africa. He (Hyman)
immigraetd to South Africa >from Latvia at 1897, approximately. He was
borne in Latvia (possibly Riga?) in 1882 approximately.

Hyman had several brothers and sisters, among them: Morris Joffe, Abe
Joffe and others (I do not know their names)

His Father was Yehoshua Joffe and His Mother was Fruma, (Surname
unknown) >from Riga. She was killed by the Nazis in Germany.

I would appreciate any information regarding the Family, and hopefully
any links to remaining members of the Family.

I thank you all and ask that you respond to the above e-mail address.

Regards and greetings for the Passover,

Elya B. Joffe, Kfar-Sava, Israel


Latvia SIG #Latvia In Search of the Joffe Family Source #latvia

Elya B. Joffe <ebj@...>
 

Dear All,

I am asking for your help in the search for my ancestors >from the Joffe
Family.

My name is Elya Joffe, son to Harry Joe Joffe >from South Africa and
Grandson to Hyman Lazor (or Lazar) Joffe >from South-Africa. He (Hyman)
immigraetd to South Africa >from Latvia at 1897, approximately. He was
borne in Latvia (possibly Riga?) in 1882 approximately.

Hyman had several brothers and sisters, among them: Morris Joffe, Abe
Joffe and others (I do not know their names)

His Father was Yehoshua Joffe and His Mother was Fruma, (Surname
unknown) >from Riga. She was killed by the Nazis in Germany.

I would appreciate any information regarding the Family, and hopefully
any links to remaining members of the Family.

I thank you all and ask that you respond to the above e-mail address.

Regards and greetings for the Passover,

Elya B. Joffe, Kfar-Sava, Israel