Hi Folks,
Has anyone ever heard of a music conductor named ZELINSKI? Family lore
says that my maternal great-grandfather was related to him.

Zelenski : Wladislaw, born 1837 Grodkowice near Krakow - died 1921 Krakow,
pianist and composer : four operas in Moniuszko's style ( among them :
"Konrad Wallenrod"-1885, "The old Tale"-1907. Has published a Treatise on
Harmony in 1897 which has been used a long time in Poland.

Zielenski : Mikolaj, born ca 1550, died ca 1615, polish organist and
composer( worked in Lowicz and Gniezno)

Zemlinsky : Alexander von, born 1871 Vienna, died 1941 Larchmont-New-York,
austrian composer and conductor.

Michele Krakowski (Normandy-France)

I'll stick my 2 cents in...
I speculate that there was something in the water on Rivington!
My dad's birth certifcate >from 1902, at 11-13 Rivington, said he was black.
My eyes nearly popped out of my head when I read that! I'm curious as to
why he never had it corrected, but I guess I'll never know.

Mimi Katz, Chicago

Colomb, Colombo, Colombus,
the spelling depends on the country.
In France we say Christophe Colomb.
Where he came >from ? nobody knows.
When he was born there was not yet the Inquistion
but at the contrary at this period French Jews were
expelled and many went to Italy.

A study of Jews in Chambery (Savoy) in 1400
shows that a few Jews there were called Colomb.
But it is not a reason to conclude.

Many towns of Italy had Jews with that name.
There were COLOMBOs in Nice in 1808 coming >from Italy.

Micheline GUTMANN, GenAmi, Paris, France
michelinegutmann@...
http://asso.genami.free.fr

I am searching Nissenbaum >from Grajewo/Grayvah Poland. I Understand there
is another Nissenbaum family form Lulbin,and Warsaw . A Rabbi Yitzhak
Nissenbaum was part of that family . There is a street in Jerusalem named
for him. He was a secretary to Rabbi Shmuel Molhver. I am wondering if
the families are related. I asked some people like R'Mier Wunder and they
think it could be possible .. any ideas?? My family has ahron,berel,and
meir ..
.
Yonasan

I'll stick my 2 cents in...
I speculate that there was something in the water on Rivington!
My dad's birth certifcate >from 1902, at 11-13 Rivington, said he was black.
My eyes nearly popped out of my head when I read that! I'm curious as to
why he never had it corrected, but I guess I'll never know.

Mimi Katz, Chicago

Colomb, Colombo, Colombus,
the spelling depends on the country.
In France we say Christophe Colomb.
Where he came >from ? nobody knows.
When he was born there was not yet the Inquistion
but at the contrary at this period French Jews were
expelled and many went to Italy.

A study of Jews in Chambery (Savoy) in 1400
shows that a few Jews there were called Colomb.
But it is not a reason to conclude.

Many towns of Italy had Jews with that name.
There were COLOMBOs in Nice in 1808 coming >from Italy.

Micheline GUTMANN, GenAmi, Paris, France
michelinegutmann@...
http://asso.genami.free.fr

I am searching Nissenbaum >from Grajewo/Grayvah Poland. I Understand there
is another Nissenbaum family form Lulbin,and Warsaw . A Rabbi Yitzhak
Nissenbaum was part of that family . There is a street in Jerusalem named
for him. He was a secretary to Rabbi Shmuel Molhver. I am wondering if
the families are related. I asked some people like R'Mier Wunder and they
think it could be possible .. any ideas?? My family has ahron,berel,and
meir ..
.
Yonasan

Hi Folks,
Has anyone ever heard of a music conductor named ZELINSKI? Family lore
says that my maternal great-grandfather was related to him.

Zelenski : Wladislaw, born 1837 Grodkowice near Krakow - died 1921 Krakow,
pianist and composer : four operas in Moniuszko's style ( among them :
"Konrad Wallenrod"-1885, "The old Tale"-1907. Has published a Treatise on
Harmony in 1897 which has been used a long time in Poland.

Zielenski : Mikolaj, born ca 1550, died ca 1615, polish organist and
composer( worked in Lowicz and Gniezno)

Zemlinsky : Alexander von, born 1871 Vienna, died 1941 Larchmont-New-York,
austrian composer and conductor.

Michele Krakowski (Normandy-France)

Hello
I would like to hear >from any one related or knows anything about a
Sarah SCHMULENSON born in Bruslov in 1867 and died in London, England in
1941.
Some of those families went to South America.
Thank you for any information you might have.
Esther Feinstein Sackheim
ZeraKodesh@...

Hello
I would like to hear >from any one related or knows anything about a
Sarah SCHMULENSON born in Bruslov in 1867 and died in London, England in
1941.
Some of those families went to South America.
Thank you for any information you might have.
Esther Feinstein Sackheim
ZeraKodesh@...

The 1900 passport registration database is growing rapidly. I have now
received a further 2000 names and we hope to have these up on the web for
searching very soon. There are probably a further 2000 names to enter and
then we will be ready.
As mentioned before these are people who registered their passports in Riga
in 1900 and gives their places of origin many >from Lithuania ,Vitebsk and
all over the Russian Empire. It is a very exciting database as occupatiions
are also given as well as their address in Riga.

Arlene Beare
President Latvia SIG

Programme Committee
London2001 - 21st International Conference on Jewish Genealogy
8-13 July 2001 www.jewishgen.org/london2001
info.london2001@...

The 1900 passport registration database is growing rapidly. I have now
received a further 2000 names and we hope to have these up on the web for
searching very soon. There are probably a further 2000 names to enter and
then we will be ready.
As mentioned before these are people who registered their passports in Riga
in 1900 and gives their places of origin many >from Lithuania ,Vitebsk and
all over the Russian Empire. It is a very exciting database as occupatiions
are also given as well as their address in Riga.

Arlene Beare
President Latvia SIG

Programme Committee
London2001 - 21st International Conference on Jewish Genealogy
8-13 July 2001 www.jewishgen.org/london2001
info.london2001@...

Hi Folks,
Has anyone ever heard of a music conductor named ZELINSKI? Family lore
says that my maternal great-grandfather was related to him.
An additional mystery is that I have seen my maternal grandmother's name
stated as ZELINSKY on her husband's passport application >from 1906, and on
her marriage record >from the Odessa archive in the same year as ZELENY.
The above-mentioned great-grandfather traveled to Europe under the name
ZELENY. I have yet to find a Jewish ZELENY outside my known family.
Comments, anyone?

Sue Seales, North Wilkesboro,North Carolina
researching: ZELENY (ZELIONY)/ Odessa and Bershad, Ukaine
ZELONY/France ROSENTHAL/Odessa ROSENTHAL,BLUESTEIN/Wegrow and Zareby
Koscielne, Poland BOYARSKY/Grodno and Lida
FREEDMAN/Siluva, Lithuania

Hi Folks,
Has anyone ever heard of a music conductor named ZELINSKI? Family lore
says that my maternal great-grandfather was related to him.
An additional mystery is that I have seen my maternal grandmother's name
stated as ZELINSKY on her husband's passport application >from 1906, and on
her marriage record >from the Odessa archive in the same year as ZELENY.
The above-mentioned great-grandfather traveled to Europe under the name
ZELENY. I have yet to find a Jewish ZELENY outside my known family.
Comments, anyone?

Sue Seales, North Wilkesboro,North Carolina
researching: ZELENY (ZELIONY)/ Odessa and Bershad, Ukaine
ZELONY/France ROSENTHAL/Odessa ROSENTHAL,BLUESTEIN/Wegrow and Zareby
Koscielne, Poland BOYARSKY/Grodno and Lida
FREEDMAN/Siluva, Lithuania

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JewishGen is very pleased to announce that we are now hosting a French SIG
whose prime objective will be to provide a forum for questions, discussion
and lots of information about doing Jewish genealogical research in France,
French colonies and French-speaking areas such as Belgium, Luxembourg and
Switzerland.

Thanks to the efforts of Pierre Hahn and Rosanne Leeson who will coordinate
the activities of the SIG and Carol Monahan who already has the web page
online at <http://www.jewishgen.org/french>

we are ready to accept subscribers to this new group.

There are two ways you can subscribe....online or through e-mail

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Dear Ralph,

It is possible that the terms carver and gilder would apply to skilled
workers in the picture frame industry or in the manufacture of decorative
moldings.
--
Ed Flax
Member JGS Phila
ejflax@...

From: "Steven Garber" <shgarber@...>

<<I'm interested in learning why so many of my relatives indicated
that they were joining other relatives at 155 Rivington Street on the
Lower East Side in NYC. The building dates >from 1902. Before that
my relatives listed 157 Rivington St. as a destination on their
passenger ship manifests. I haven't found any relatives living at
either address on any record other than those manifests.>>

The answer may lie in the following. The various shipping lines competed
aggresively for passengers. If any immigrants were refused entry into the
USA, the shipping company had to return them to Europe at the shipping
company's expense. They did everything possible to avoid this >from
happening. On the ship, agents coached the immigrants on what to expect
and what to do to avoid being sent back. Two things were of prime
importance - having an address in the USA to go to and a relative in the
USA they were going to live with.

Evidently, 155 and 157 Rivington St. were addresses given to the
immigrants to use in case they did not have a specific address to go to.
Remember, in the days before computers, the immigration authorities were
not able to cross reference the information. Also, the closer the
relationship to the person they were going to, the less chance they would
be refused entry. In 1907, the ship manifest lists my father as going to
live with his brother-in-law in Norwich, CT. The person named was a cousin
by marriage and not his brother-in-law. Since the surname was different,
brother-in-law denoted a closer relationship than cousin.

Personally, I would not put too much faith in the address or the names of
the "relatives" the immigrant was going to live with unless, of course,
you can verify it through other records.

Howard Margol
Atlanta, Georgia

Hello,
I have a relative in my family tree who everyone referred to as
"Leibchick." I'm trying to see what kind of records I can find on him,
but I'm at a total loss to figure out what his American name would have
been. (I've done some checking, and not surprisingly, can't find him
under Leibchick, or similar spellings. Similarly nothing under Leib
either.)
So, any ideas as to what a common transition name might have been? Louis?

Or anything else? We're talking about a guy born in the late 1800's,
who came to U.S. in early 1900's.
Thanks in advance for any information.

Carol Kunkis Cohn
Newport Beach, CA

Searching:
KOSSOI, PEVTSOV: Vetka, Chechersk, Belarus
SKOLNIKOF: Vetka, Belarus
KUNKIS, LEHMAN: Glubokoye, Belarus
SCHRIER, PACHTER: Yarmolinits, Kam-Podolsk, Ukraine
LEIBOWITZ, GRUZINSKY: Kelme, Lithuania

Dear Ralph,

It is possible that the terms carver and gilder would apply to skilled
workers in the picture frame industry or in the manufacture of decorative
moldings.
--
Ed Flax
Member JGS Phila
ejflax@...