Date   

*re: 1886 Records, Language change #hungary

Tom Venetianer <tom.vene@...>
 

Dear Gary,

Not sure I understand clearly your question. Until 1918, that part of
Slovakia belonged to the Hungarian Kingdom, thus the official
language was Hungarian. In 1848, when the Hungarians rebelled against
the Austrian ruling, some relaxation occur about the use of German,
which, of course, was the official language of the Austro-Hungarian
empire. So, during the period you mention, it is quite normal that
the matrical entries were mostly made in Hungarian.

The registers end in 1895 because after that year the vital records
were kept by civil notaries not anymore by the religious communities.

BTW, the county's name in Hungarian was ARVA, not ARAVA. In Slovakia
it was called ORAVA.

Does this answers your question?
the best
Tom


At 12:00 AM -0600 3/2/01, Hungarian SIG digest wrote:
>| Subject:
>| From:
>| Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 11:21:26 +1100
>| X-Message-Number: 7
>|
>|
>| I'm wondering whether there is any historical significance for
a change in
>| register format. The area is the Arava megye, main towns Nameszto and
>| Trstena, in the Slovakian part of Hungary, just west of
Zakopane in Poland.
>| In 1886 new registers are in Hungarian, finishing in 1895.
>|
>| Why these dates - 1886 & 1895 - and why the change of language.
>|
>| Gary
--
-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. -.-.-
Tom Venetianer <mailto:tom.vene@...>
Sao Paulo - Brazil


"Genealogy novel"=National Jewish Book Award winner #general

Renee Steinig <rsteinig@...>
 

I noticed this book listed as a finalist in the fiction category
of the just announced 2000 National Jewish Book Awards. I have not
read it, but it sure sounds up our alley!

The Family Orchard
Nomi Eve
Alfred A. Knopf

Description >from the Jewish Book Council press release:

Written in a unique style that juxtaposes ancestral history with
fantasy, The Family Orchard touches on the ways each of us intake
stories of our ancestors and interweaves them with myths and leg-
ends. By creating a unique and powerful feminist history, the
author lays the foundation, whether consciously or not, for per-
sonal assertiveness. Bold print trains our eye to genealogy and
history as related by her father, while standard print places us
in the mind and imagination of the author. This book joins a whole
cadre of romances and genealogical novellas, but it is done in a
style that invites us into the author's life and welcomes to
explore our own.

Renee

Renee Stern Steinig
Dix Hills (Long Island), New York
RSteinig@...


Re: records of WWI veterans from NY #general

Renee Steinig <rsteinig@...>
 

Marcia Katzel DeVries <marciadv@...> asked...

Does anyone know if New York state has ever published a ... roster
of New York servicemen and women >from WWI?
The New York State Archives in Albany has a card file of
abstracts of World War I military service.

According to the NYSA web site at
<www.sara.nysed.gov/holding/fact/mil-fact.htm>
this data was abstracted >from Federal records before they were
destroyed by fire in 1973. "Summary data on deaths is found
in _Roll of Honor: Citizens of the State of New York Who Died
While in the Service of the United States During the World War_,
comp. J. Leslie Kincaid (Albany: 1922)."

You can request a war service search using the War Service Records
Request Form at <www.sara.nysed.gov/holding/fact/milform.htm>.
For WWI searches, the charge per name is $1.

Renee

Renee Stern Steinig
Dix Hills (Long Island), New York
RSteinig@...


Hungary SIG #Hungary *re: 1886 Records, Language change #hungary

Tom Venetianer <tom.vene@...>
 

Dear Gary,

Not sure I understand clearly your question. Until 1918, that part of
Slovakia belonged to the Hungarian Kingdom, thus the official
language was Hungarian. In 1848, when the Hungarians rebelled against
the Austrian ruling, some relaxation occur about the use of German,
which, of course, was the official language of the Austro-Hungarian
empire. So, during the period you mention, it is quite normal that
the matrical entries were mostly made in Hungarian.

The registers end in 1895 because after that year the vital records
were kept by civil notaries not anymore by the religious communities.

BTW, the county's name in Hungarian was ARVA, not ARAVA. In Slovakia
it was called ORAVA.

Does this answers your question?
the best
Tom


At 12:00 AM -0600 3/2/01, Hungarian SIG digest wrote:
>| Subject:
>| From:
>| Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 11:21:26 +1100
>| X-Message-Number: 7
>|
>|
>| I'm wondering whether there is any historical significance for
a change in
>| register format. The area is the Arava megye, main towns Nameszto and
>| Trstena, in the Slovakian part of Hungary, just west of
Zakopane in Poland.
>| In 1886 new registers are in Hungarian, finishing in 1895.
>|
>| Why these dates - 1886 & 1895 - and why the change of language.
>|
>| Gary
--
-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. -.-.-
Tom Venetianer <mailto:tom.vene@...>
Sao Paulo - Brazil


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen "Genealogy novel"=National Jewish Book Award winner #general

Renee Steinig <rsteinig@...>
 

I noticed this book listed as a finalist in the fiction category
of the just announced 2000 National Jewish Book Awards. I have not
read it, but it sure sounds up our alley!

The Family Orchard
Nomi Eve
Alfred A. Knopf

Description >from the Jewish Book Council press release:

Written in a unique style that juxtaposes ancestral history with
fantasy, The Family Orchard touches on the ways each of us intake
stories of our ancestors and interweaves them with myths and leg-
ends. By creating a unique and powerful feminist history, the
author lays the foundation, whether consciously or not, for per-
sonal assertiveness. Bold print trains our eye to genealogy and
history as related by her father, while standard print places us
in the mind and imagination of the author. This book joins a whole
cadre of romances and genealogical novellas, but it is done in a
style that invites us into the author's life and welcomes to
explore our own.

Renee

Renee Stern Steinig
Dix Hills (Long Island), New York
RSteinig@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: records of WWI veterans from NY #general

Renee Steinig <rsteinig@...>
 

Marcia Katzel DeVries <marciadv@...> asked...

Does anyone know if New York state has ever published a ... roster
of New York servicemen and women >from WWI?
The New York State Archives in Albany has a card file of
abstracts of World War I military service.

According to the NYSA web site at
<www.sara.nysed.gov/holding/fact/mil-fact.htm>
this data was abstracted >from Federal records before they were
destroyed by fire in 1973. "Summary data on deaths is found
in _Roll of Honor: Citizens of the State of New York Who Died
While in the Service of the United States During the World War_,
comp. J. Leslie Kincaid (Albany: 1922)."

You can request a war service search using the War Service Records
Request Form at <www.sara.nysed.gov/holding/fact/milform.htm>.
For WWI searches, the charge per name is $1.

Renee

Renee Stern Steinig
Dix Hills (Long Island), New York
RSteinig@...


Re: *re: Anyone ever heard of a town called Lukanyeny? #hungary

David Deutsch <ddeutschca@...>
 

Hi Tom, and Hi to everyone else, especially all the wonderful responses I
received that help answer a mystery my Mom's side of the family has been
wondering about.

With regards to the lurking, I wasn't going to go into any detail concerning
my reasons, but in view of your comments, as well as the pointed annotation
by our moderator to my original post in this thread, in my own defense, I'd
like to state the following: As you and others may recall, I used to
participate far more actively in this group, until I had an unpleasant
experience in response to a couple of my posts, wherein one of the members
did not like what I said, and proceeded to berate me in private email, and
to a lesser extent, in the group as well. Not wanting to ignite a tit for
tat war of words (which I would expect the moderator to filter anyways), I
accepted the unpleasantness, said nothing, but decided henceforward that
lurking was the better part of valor for this group (at least >from my own
experiences' standpoint). It feels a little bit unfair that Louis should wag
his editorial finger at me, even if gently, for lurking and not
participating, when my only reason for doing so was to avoid the repetition
of a difficult experience >from someone in the group, or alternatively, a
distasteful confrontational exchange.

I'm not trying to make a big deal out of this, and did not want to (and
wasn't going to) say anything in the first place, but I consider courtesy
and civility an important element of groups like this, and my response, when
I see a problem, is to withdraw politely.

Please forgive my comments --- I don't want to start a thread on this topic
--- but I felt I should briefly speak up in my own defense in view of
various (4) emails I received touching on my preference for lurking over
active participation. I'd love to resume participation >from here on in and
have lots of information to share, and I'm hopeful my negative experience
was isolated and perhaps atypical.

Kind regards to all,

David Deutsch

------Original Message------
From: Tom Venetianer <tom.vene@...>
To: Hungarian-SIG <h-sig@...>
Sent: March 2, 2001 10:24:18 PM GMT
Subject: *re: Anyone ever heard of a town called Lukanyeny?


Dear David,

Search no more. The place is/was LUKANE'NYE, located in the Hont
county, Ipolyne'k district, which now is in Slovakia and called
NENINCE.

Now, if you allow me to say so, if we all would only lurk no H-sig
member would ever receive an answer to his/her queries, so please
participate and share your knowledge wit us.

the best and good hunt
Tom

--

mod.-I believe that the offending subscriber is no longer on this list.
However, any such encounters should be reported immediately to me (LS) or our other moderators, Vivian Kahn or Marc Polster.


Hungary SIG #Hungary RE: *re: Anyone ever heard of a town called Lukanyeny? #hungary

David Deutsch <ddeutschca@...>
 

Hi Tom, and Hi to everyone else, especially all the wonderful responses I
received that help answer a mystery my Mom's side of the family has been
wondering about.

With regards to the lurking, I wasn't going to go into any detail concerning
my reasons, but in view of your comments, as well as the pointed annotation
by our moderator to my original post in this thread, in my own defense, I'd
like to state the following: As you and others may recall, I used to
participate far more actively in this group, until I had an unpleasant
experience in response to a couple of my posts, wherein one of the members
did not like what I said, and proceeded to berate me in private email, and
to a lesser extent, in the group as well. Not wanting to ignite a tit for
tat war of words (which I would expect the moderator to filter anyways), I
accepted the unpleasantness, said nothing, but decided henceforward that
lurking was the better part of valor for this group (at least >from my own
experiences' standpoint). It feels a little bit unfair that Louis should wag
his editorial finger at me, even if gently, for lurking and not
participating, when my only reason for doing so was to avoid the repetition
of a difficult experience >from someone in the group, or alternatively, a
distasteful confrontational exchange.

I'm not trying to make a big deal out of this, and did not want to (and
wasn't going to) say anything in the first place, but I consider courtesy
and civility an important element of groups like this, and my response, when
I see a problem, is to withdraw politely.

Please forgive my comments --- I don't want to start a thread on this topic
--- but I felt I should briefly speak up in my own defense in view of
various (4) emails I received touching on my preference for lurking over
active participation. I'd love to resume participation >from here on in and
have lots of information to share, and I'm hopeful my negative experience
was isolated and perhaps atypical.

Kind regards to all,

David Deutsch

------Original Message------
From: Tom Venetianer <tom.vene@...>
To: Hungarian-SIG <h-sig@...>
Sent: March 2, 2001 10:24:18 PM GMT
Subject: *re: Anyone ever heard of a town called Lukanyeny?


Dear David,

Search no more. The place is/was LUKANE'NYE, located in the Hont
county, Ipolyne'k district, which now is in Slovakia and called
NENINCE.

Now, if you allow me to say so, if we all would only lurk no H-sig
member would ever receive an answer to his/her queries, so please
participate and share your knowledge wit us.

the best and good hunt
Tom

--

mod.-I believe that the offending subscriber is no longer on this list.
However, any such encounters should be reported immediately to me (LS) or our other moderators, Vivian Kahn or Marc Polster.


New member researching Schreiber #hungary

jpacklambert@...
 

2001-03-02

Hello, H-SIG. My great-grandfather Samuel SCHREIBER came >from Uzgorod, Ukraine (formerly Ungvar, Hungary). He was born in 1865, emigrated in 1883 and lived in Chicago.

Is anyone else >from Ungvar? I would love to hear >from you privately.

Other names I am interested in:
FELDMAN
STERN
GODFRIED
GROSSMAN

Janeen Lambert
Sterling Heights, Michigan
__________________________________________________________________
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Hungary SIG #Hungary New member researching Schreiber #hungary

jpacklambert@...
 

2001-03-02

Hello, H-SIG. My great-grandfather Samuel SCHREIBER came >from Uzgorod, Ukraine (formerly Ungvar, Hungary). He was born in 1865, emigrated in 1883 and lived in Chicago.

Is anyone else >from Ungvar? I would love to hear >from you privately.

Other names I am interested in:
FELDMAN
STERN
GODFRIED
GROSSMAN

Janeen Lambert
Sterling Heights, Michigan
__________________________________________________________________
Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/


Battlion List #hungary

elaine cohen <elaco@...>
 

I just received info >from the American Red Cross about some of my cousins.
It was a page >from the Jewish Victims of Hungarian Labour Battlions. They
included the following translations :

Eltunt - Disappeared
Meghalt - Died
Beteg - Sick
Fogsag - Imprisoned
Serult - Injured
Elternetve - Buried
Sebesulve - Wounded

I asked for info on one name but on receiving the list I recognized 3
additional family members. Most of the names on the page [Herskovits, Lajos
- Mor], were listed as eltunt. One cannot assume 100% that this meant they
were dead, as one of the relatives on the page was captured by the Russians
and after time in their camp was released. He did not die until the 1970's.

If anyone has a name they are looking for that could be on my Herskovits
page, please email me and I will let you know. It also includes their
mother's maiden name, birth date, birth city, and last place known to
be/died.

Elaine Cohen


*re: Anyone ever heard of a town called Lukanyeny? #hungary

Tom Venetianer <tom.vene@...>
 

Dear David,

Search no more. The place is/was LUKANE'NYE, located in the Hont
county, Ipolyne'k district, which now is in Slovakia and called
NENINCE.

Now, if you allow me to say so, if we all would only lurk no H-sig
member would ever receive an answer to his/her queries, so please
participate and share your knowledge wit us.

the best and good hunt
Tom

At 12:00 AM -0600 3/2/01, Hungarian SIG digest wrote:
>| Subject:
>| From: DD
>| Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 12:10:32 -0800
>| X-Message-Number: 1
>|
>| It's been a long time since I posted online (lurking is always
more comfortable). I have not been one of the people (yet) who
re-posted their list of surnames being researched,
>|
>| I have an ancestor with a colorful family story who's only been
identified as:
>|
>| Moishe Nenetz >from Lukanyeny [LOO-ka-=D2ey-=D2ee, spelled phoneticall=
y]
>|
>| Can anyone help this time around?
--
-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. -.-.-
Tom Venetianer <mailto:tom.vene@...>
Sao Paulo - Brazil


Hungary SIG #Hungary Battlion List #hungary

elaine cohen <elaco@...>
 

I just received info >from the American Red Cross about some of my cousins.
It was a page >from the Jewish Victims of Hungarian Labour Battlions. They
included the following translations :

Eltunt - Disappeared
Meghalt - Died
Beteg - Sick
Fogsag - Imprisoned
Serult - Injured
Elternetve - Buried
Sebesulve - Wounded

I asked for info on one name but on receiving the list I recognized 3
additional family members. Most of the names on the page [Herskovits, Lajos
- Mor], were listed as eltunt. One cannot assume 100% that this meant they
were dead, as one of the relatives on the page was captured by the Russians
and after time in their camp was released. He did not die until the 1970's.

If anyone has a name they are looking for that could be on my Herskovits
page, please email me and I will let you know. It also includes their
mother's maiden name, birth date, birth city, and last place known to
be/died.

Elaine Cohen


Hungary SIG #Hungary *re: Anyone ever heard of a town called Lukanyeny? #hungary

Tom Venetianer <tom.vene@...>
 

Dear David,

Search no more. The place is/was LUKANE'NYE, located in the Hont
county, Ipolyne'k district, which now is in Slovakia and called
NENINCE.

Now, if you allow me to say so, if we all would only lurk no H-sig
member would ever receive an answer to his/her queries, so please
participate and share your knowledge wit us.

the best and good hunt
Tom

At 12:00 AM -0600 3/2/01, Hungarian SIG digest wrote:
>| Subject:
>| From: DD
>| Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 12:10:32 -0800
>| X-Message-Number: 1
>|
>| It's been a long time since I posted online (lurking is always
more comfortable). I have not been one of the people (yet) who
re-posted their list of surnames being researched,
>|
>| I have an ancestor with a colorful family story who's only been
identified as:
>|
>| Moishe Nenetz >from Lukanyeny [LOO-ka-=D2ey-=D2ee, spelled phoneticall=
y]
>|
>| Can anyone help this time around?
--
-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. -.-.-
Tom Venetianer <mailto:tom.vene@...>
Sao Paulo - Brazil


censii after 1867 #hungary

Alex Miller <AMiller@...>
 

Hello Friends,

I read in reliable source, that national censii took place in Hungary
in 1880, 1890, 1910(Jewish History of Kisvarda--not a Yzkor book)

Does anyone have any knowledge about hteir existence/availabilty?=20

Best Regards,

Alex Miller
Reading, PA


Hungary SIG #Hungary censii after 1867 #hungary

Alex Miller <AMiller@...>
 

Hello Friends,

I read in reliable source, that national censii took place in Hungary
in 1880, 1890, 1910(Jewish History of Kisvarda--not a Yzkor book)

Does anyone have any knowledge about hteir existence/availabilty?=20

Best Regards,

Alex Miller
Reading, PA


SIG Polin 26 Feb 01 - Aftermath & More #general

Ada Holtzman <ada01@...>
 

I thank all those many participants in the last meeting of SIG Polin,
including the members >from the Negev and >from Zichron Yaakov who came
from so far away to participate in the Polish Jewish Genealogical
session which took place in Beth Hatanach. Also thanks to our brothers
and sisters >from Galut Hungaria :) who came and enjoyed...

The event was so successful so that the following morning, February 27th
2001, being a hopeless Polania :) myself, I spontaneously decided, to
send flowers to Dani Ophir, manager of Beth Hatanachin Tel Aviv, which
hosts this SIG and all the other SIGs including the activities of the
IGS Tel Aviv branch, simply because his remarkable cooperation should
not be taken lightly or underestimated, and a good thankful note with
nice flowers are always blessed...
But to complete the little gift I wrote a khamshir katan straight from
the heart:

27 February 2001

Le'Dani Ophir hayakar,
Hakhaviv, hakhacham, hanadiv, hayashar...
Elef todot m'SIG Polania Hadvuya,
Zecher lamoledet hahi hasnua-Ahuva - - -
Bizchutcha, Beezratcha! Ata Hanehedar...


In English to which I translate the little poem now, it may be something
like:

27 February 2001

To Dani Ophir,
So special and so dear,
the kind, the wise, the generous, truthful and honest,
Heartfelt thanks >from SIG Polania, country of the grave,
Memory of that hated-loved old homeland's heritage you help to save,
Dear Dani, you are really really great!


Being so very busy last week, I opened my voice mail box only last
evening. There is one exciting message >from the 27 February 2001, from
Danny Ophir:
"No words to thank you Ada - But how did you know this is my birthday today?

"But Danny! I did not know!!!..."

Shalom Polania...
...
Next meeting April 23rd, Beth Hatanach, 16 Rotchild Ave., Tel Aviv at
19:00.
Lecturer: the psychologist Dr. Israel Wald, Successor Generation
Tomaszow Mazowiecki.

2 Subjects:

1) Educational ties between Israel and Polish youth. Test case: the A.D.
Gordon High School Raanana and Tomaszow Mazowiecki Szkolta Powszechna No
5 & 13.

2) To Document, to Cherish, to Remember - the Jewish cemetery of
Chrzanow near Krakow.

SIG Polin in IGS Web Site, URL:
http://www.isragen.org.il/Inf/SIG_Poland/sig_poland.htm
and in mine, as part of the section of Hitachdut Yotzei Polin which I
am very proud always to host at:
http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/4017/hitachdut.htm

Please add both URLs to your Bookmarks as many interesting and important
messages will be posted there in the near future, such as:

* More details about Israel Wald's activities and his lecture of April
23rd.

* The Bund Updated Program - list of the cultural activities of the
Yiddishe Moadon Habund in Kalisher Street Tel Aviv

* A new Email Exchange Group of SIG Polin - exprienced moderator is
required.

* Messages >from Hitachdut Yotzei Polin.

* Yom HaShoah, 11 l'Omer, Nisan 26, 5761, 19-20 April 2001
Details will be published in that section about the various memorial
ceremonies which will be held by the various Landsmenschaft, Shoah
Museums, Organizations of Fighters and Survivors and other
organizations, Regional Counsels, Municipalities and others. Anyone
from you is most welcome to send the information about his
own Shtetl/community's Remembrance Assemblies. As one survivor once said
in the radio: "We need one day to forget, not to remember"... But this
is the official day of presreved by the State of israel and the Diaspora
and every Jew should patricipate and be involved in keeping the memory,
from father to son...
We might have surprises here, to find out that there are still many many
Landsmenshaft, in spite of all the years and death of the survivor
generation! I believe this web page is the first effort to details
really all what is happening in Israel during this painful day of
Memory.

* Opening of a course at Tel Aviv, for reading Yiddish texts. It will
not be a regular Yiddish language course, but will mainly deal with how
to read articles in Yizkor books, *without* knowing Yiddish if this is
possible. I believe it can be so am looking for the right teacher and
framework. Anyone who is interested in this adventure is kindly welcome
to contact me.

* "Still Searching..."
I plan IGS cyber Mador Khipus Krovim, may be in collaboration with Yaron
Enosh 16:45 braodcast and the Sochnut. For contents see more or less
the structure and information at my web site:
http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/4017/searchin.htm
Anyone will be welcomed to leave his search which be concentrated on
Polin.

* Roots Trips of Youth Missions to Poland, target public: Israeli
youth.
Anyone who will wish to send a personal account of his trip to Poland
and publish in the interent the photographs taken during those triops,
are welcome to send. Tips, Information, instructions and guide to the
young Israeli Traveller will also be posted.
I hope to be able post everything and I truly hope that this internet
project will have enormous success, in order to link the young
excellent Sabra generation to its tragic roots >from Poland.

* Miscellaneous - I am open to any of your suggestions and shall thank
anyone who will volunteer to assist me. All of this should be a
collective venture, not my own as I have nearly no time anymore to do
new projects alone. Toda Raba!

We Remember Polania!

Shabat Shalom,

Ada Holtzman
Email: ada01@...
Web Site: http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/4017/


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen SIG Polin 26 Feb 01 - Aftermath & More #general

Ada Holtzman <ada01@...>
 

I thank all those many participants in the last meeting of SIG Polin,
including the members >from the Negev and >from Zichron Yaakov who came
from so far away to participate in the Polish Jewish Genealogical
session which took place in Beth Hatanach. Also thanks to our brothers
and sisters >from Galut Hungaria :) who came and enjoyed...

The event was so successful so that the following morning, February 27th
2001, being a hopeless Polania :) myself, I spontaneously decided, to
send flowers to Dani Ophir, manager of Beth Hatanachin Tel Aviv, which
hosts this SIG and all the other SIGs including the activities of the
IGS Tel Aviv branch, simply because his remarkable cooperation should
not be taken lightly or underestimated, and a good thankful note with
nice flowers are always blessed...
But to complete the little gift I wrote a khamshir katan straight from
the heart:

27 February 2001

Le'Dani Ophir hayakar,
Hakhaviv, hakhacham, hanadiv, hayashar...
Elef todot m'SIG Polania Hadvuya,
Zecher lamoledet hahi hasnua-Ahuva - - -
Bizchutcha, Beezratcha! Ata Hanehedar...


In English to which I translate the little poem now, it may be something
like:

27 February 2001

To Dani Ophir,
So special and so dear,
the kind, the wise, the generous, truthful and honest,
Heartfelt thanks >from SIG Polania, country of the grave,
Memory of that hated-loved old homeland's heritage you help to save,
Dear Dani, you are really really great!


Being so very busy last week, I opened my voice mail box only last
evening. There is one exciting message >from the 27 February 2001, from
Danny Ophir:
"No words to thank you Ada - But how did you know this is my birthday today?

"But Danny! I did not know!!!..."

Shalom Polania...
...
Next meeting April 23rd, Beth Hatanach, 16 Rotchild Ave., Tel Aviv at
19:00.
Lecturer: the psychologist Dr. Israel Wald, Successor Generation
Tomaszow Mazowiecki.

2 Subjects:

1) Educational ties between Israel and Polish youth. Test case: the A.D.
Gordon High School Raanana and Tomaszow Mazowiecki Szkolta Powszechna No
5 & 13.

2) To Document, to Cherish, to Remember - the Jewish cemetery of
Chrzanow near Krakow.

SIG Polin in IGS Web Site, URL:
http://www.isragen.org.il/Inf/SIG_Poland/sig_poland.htm
and in mine, as part of the section of Hitachdut Yotzei Polin which I
am very proud always to host at:
http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/4017/hitachdut.htm

Please add both URLs to your Bookmarks as many interesting and important
messages will be posted there in the near future, such as:

* More details about Israel Wald's activities and his lecture of April
23rd.

* The Bund Updated Program - list of the cultural activities of the
Yiddishe Moadon Habund in Kalisher Street Tel Aviv

* A new Email Exchange Group of SIG Polin - exprienced moderator is
required.

* Messages >from Hitachdut Yotzei Polin.

* Yom HaShoah, 11 l'Omer, Nisan 26, 5761, 19-20 April 2001
Details will be published in that section about the various memorial
ceremonies which will be held by the various Landsmenschaft, Shoah
Museums, Organizations of Fighters and Survivors and other
organizations, Regional Counsels, Municipalities and others. Anyone
from you is most welcome to send the information about his
own Shtetl/community's Remembrance Assemblies. As one survivor once said
in the radio: "We need one day to forget, not to remember"... But this
is the official day of presreved by the State of israel and the Diaspora
and every Jew should patricipate and be involved in keeping the memory,
from father to son...
We might have surprises here, to find out that there are still many many
Landsmenshaft, in spite of all the years and death of the survivor
generation! I believe this web page is the first effort to details
really all what is happening in Israel during this painful day of
Memory.

* Opening of a course at Tel Aviv, for reading Yiddish texts. It will
not be a regular Yiddish language course, but will mainly deal with how
to read articles in Yizkor books, *without* knowing Yiddish if this is
possible. I believe it can be so am looking for the right teacher and
framework. Anyone who is interested in this adventure is kindly welcome
to contact me.

* "Still Searching..."
I plan IGS cyber Mador Khipus Krovim, may be in collaboration with Yaron
Enosh 16:45 braodcast and the Sochnut. For contents see more or less
the structure and information at my web site:
http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/4017/searchin.htm
Anyone will be welcomed to leave his search which be concentrated on
Polin.

* Roots Trips of Youth Missions to Poland, target public: Israeli
youth.
Anyone who will wish to send a personal account of his trip to Poland
and publish in the interent the photographs taken during those triops,
are welcome to send. Tips, Information, instructions and guide to the
young Israeli Traveller will also be posted.
I hope to be able post everything and I truly hope that this internet
project will have enormous success, in order to link the young
excellent Sabra generation to its tragic roots >from Poland.

* Miscellaneous - I am open to any of your suggestions and shall thank
anyone who will volunteer to assist me. All of this should be a
collective venture, not my own as I have nearly no time anymore to do
new projects alone. Toda Raba!

We Remember Polania!

Shabat Shalom,

Ada Holtzman
Email: ada01@...
Web Site: http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/4017/


Re: victims of the Ensatzgruppen (Extraordinary Commission Lists) #belarus

David M. Fox <fox@...>
 

Following is a website that has a list of towns that were examined by
the Soviet Extra Ordinary commission. The list of towns was published as
Appendix C of "How to Document Victims and Locate Survivors of the
Holocaust" by Gary Mokotoff.
<http://www.avotaynu.com/Holocaust/appendixc.htm>. The list has many
towns >from Belarus. I have been told that most of them have name lists
that include Jews as well as non Jews, as you can see if you look at the
lists >from Bragin, Lida, Urechye, and Glussk.

The lists are in Russian script and are available >from the US Holocaust
Memorial Museum (USHMM) in Washington DC. They are in Russian script.
The USHMM plans to get all the name lists >from the Extraordinary
Commission Reports translated and put into a database. When this will
be done is not known. As you can see >from the four lists referenced
below, people who have an interest in a particular shtetl or region can
get these lists, translate them, create a database and put them on the
web. The four lists referenced below are not on the JewishGen
server/Belarus SIG website, however, I will ask our Webmaster, Edward
Rosenbaum, to link them to our website.

I hope that future lists will be put on the Belarus SIG website so that
they can be searched >from the All Belarus Database
<http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/belarus/>.

I presently have paper copies (>from the microfilm copies at the USHMM)
for the following towns:

Vitebsk
Rogachev
Cherven (Igumen)
Shklov

If anyone who can read Russian script desires to have one or more of
theses lists translated and donate the translation to the Belarus SIG
for use on the website, I will mail you the list. If someone want to do
another list >from those shown on
<http://www.avotaynu.com/Holocaust/appendixc.htm>, I will try and get
them >from the USHMM. You can see what the source documents look like by
going to Michael Steinore's webpage, Guide to records of the Extraordinary
State Commission to Investigate and Establish War Crimes of the
German-Fascist Invaders
<http://www.angelfire.com/or/yizkor/rg22002m.html>

The Detroit News in a article dated Jauuary 1, 1996, provides some
interesting background of previous secret Soviet files.
http://detnews.com/menu/stories/30403.htm

Here are four Extra ordinary Commission lists that have been translated:

Bragin Region (southwest region of Belarus)
http://members.tripod.com/allbell/braginnazi.html

Lida
http://mx8.xoom.com/newhoir/lida-site/lida45.html

Urechye
http://www.angelfire.com/or/yizkor/urholo.html

Glussk
http://www.angelfire.com/or/yizkor/glussk22.html

Hope this message provides everyone interested with were to do to get
more information and how they can help to provide more information on
the SIG website.

Dave
--
David M. Fox
mailto:fox@...
Arnold, MD USA
Belarus SIG Coordinator
<http://www.jewishgen.org/belarus>


Belarus SIG #Belarus Re: victims of the Ensatzgruppen (Extraordinary Commission Lists) #belarus

David M. Fox <fox@...>
 

Following is a website that has a list of towns that were examined by
the Soviet Extra Ordinary commission. The list of towns was published as
Appendix C of "How to Document Victims and Locate Survivors of the
Holocaust" by Gary Mokotoff.
<http://www.avotaynu.com/Holocaust/appendixc.htm>. The list has many
towns >from Belarus. I have been told that most of them have name lists
that include Jews as well as non Jews, as you can see if you look at the
lists >from Bragin, Lida, Urechye, and Glussk.

The lists are in Russian script and are available >from the US Holocaust
Memorial Museum (USHMM) in Washington DC. They are in Russian script.
The USHMM plans to get all the name lists >from the Extraordinary
Commission Reports translated and put into a database. When this will
be done is not known. As you can see >from the four lists referenced
below, people who have an interest in a particular shtetl or region can
get these lists, translate them, create a database and put them on the
web. The four lists referenced below are not on the JewishGen
server/Belarus SIG website, however, I will ask our Webmaster, Edward
Rosenbaum, to link them to our website.

I hope that future lists will be put on the Belarus SIG website so that
they can be searched >from the All Belarus Database
<http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/belarus/>.

I presently have paper copies (>from the microfilm copies at the USHMM)
for the following towns:

Vitebsk
Rogachev
Cherven (Igumen)
Shklov

If anyone who can read Russian script desires to have one or more of
theses lists translated and donate the translation to the Belarus SIG
for use on the website, I will mail you the list. If someone want to do
another list >from those shown on
<http://www.avotaynu.com/Holocaust/appendixc.htm>, I will try and get
them >from the USHMM. You can see what the source documents look like by
going to Michael Steinore's webpage, Guide to records of the Extraordinary
State Commission to Investigate and Establish War Crimes of the
German-Fascist Invaders
<http://www.angelfire.com/or/yizkor/rg22002m.html>

The Detroit News in a article dated Jauuary 1, 1996, provides some
interesting background of previous secret Soviet files.
http://detnews.com/menu/stories/30403.htm

Here are four Extra ordinary Commission lists that have been translated:

Bragin Region (southwest region of Belarus)
http://members.tripod.com/allbell/braginnazi.html

Lida
http://mx8.xoom.com/newhoir/lida-site/lida45.html

Urechye
http://www.angelfire.com/or/yizkor/urholo.html

Glussk
http://www.angelfire.com/or/yizkor/glussk22.html

Hope this message provides everyone interested with were to do to get
more information and how they can help to provide more information on
the SIG website.

Dave
--
David M. Fox
mailto:fox@...
Arnold, MD USA
Belarus SIG Coordinator
<http://www.jewishgen.org/belarus>