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Re: Surname origins - RAK #general

Alexander Sharon <a.sharon@...>
 

Steve,

Rak means 'crab' in both Polish and Russian, and in a couple of other Slavic
languages. It spells in Polish "RAK" and in Russian "PAK"

How could be Jewish family name called "Rak". There are several
possibilities:
- a short version of an originating shtetl (s) known as Rakowo, Rakowa,
Rako'w, and so on, which are in abundance in Vilna and Bialystok areas.
- named after the landlord: e.g.. Rakowiecki, Rakowski, etc
- nickname, based on the occupation (e.g. fisherman) or an appearance
(e.g..large moustache)
- and so on

I'd not make any connection to the Shuls zodiak signs or even the Yonah and
the whale story - those are rather too far reaching speculations

--
Alexander Sharon
Calgary, Alberta

<Steinsteve@...> wrote in message news:a2.10cf3199.27d05bfa@......


One of our family surnames was RAK. This was the pre-immigration spelling,
i.e. this is not an Anglicization or a shortening of a longer name. The
family lived in Bialystok, and the microfilm birth register record I have
found using the JRI-Poland database bears out the spelling.

A friend who knows Russian saw the record, and pointed out that in
Russian, "RAK" means Cancer the Crab, cancer, and crab (I obviously can't
show RAK here in Cyrillic). My question is, could a Bialystok family named
RAK have a name derived >from Russian? What is "crab" in Polish, and would
it be close enough to Rak to make the Russian/Polish distinction
irrelevant? How would a Jewish family have a name meaning "crab"?

An odd coincidence, or maybe not, is that the Bialystoker Synagogue on the
Lower East Side of Manhattan has a mural on the ceiling of the sanctuary
depicting the entire Zodiac. Could there be a connection?

Any reasonable, educated opinion is welcome.

Steve Stein


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Surname origins - RAK #general

Alexander Sharon <a.sharon@...>
 

Steve,

Rak means 'crab' in both Polish and Russian, and in a couple of other Slavic
languages. It spells in Polish "RAK" and in Russian "PAK"

How could be Jewish family name called "Rak". There are several
possibilities:
- a short version of an originating shtetl (s) known as Rakowo, Rakowa,
Rako'w, and so on, which are in abundance in Vilna and Bialystok areas.
- named after the landlord: e.g.. Rakowiecki, Rakowski, etc
- nickname, based on the occupation (e.g. fisherman) or an appearance
(e.g..large moustache)
- and so on

I'd not make any connection to the Shuls zodiak signs or even the Yonah and
the whale story - those are rather too far reaching speculations

--
Alexander Sharon
Calgary, Alberta

<Steinsteve@...> wrote in message news:a2.10cf3199.27d05bfa@......


One of our family surnames was RAK. This was the pre-immigration spelling,
i.e. this is not an Anglicization or a shortening of a longer name. The
family lived in Bialystok, and the microfilm birth register record I have
found using the JRI-Poland database bears out the spelling.

A friend who knows Russian saw the record, and pointed out that in
Russian, "RAK" means Cancer the Crab, cancer, and crab (I obviously can't
show RAK here in Cyrillic). My question is, could a Bialystok family named
RAK have a name derived >from Russian? What is "crab" in Polish, and would
it be close enough to Rak to make the Russian/Polish distinction
irrelevant? How would a Jewish family have a name meaning "crab"?

An odd coincidence, or maybe not, is that the Bialystoker Synagogue on the
Lower East Side of Manhattan has a mural on the ceiling of the sanctuary
depicting the entire Zodiac. Could there be a connection?

Any reasonable, educated opinion is welcome.

Steve Stein


Is there a NY Roster of WWI Servicemen? #general

Marcia Katzel DeVries <marciadv@...>
 

The state of Ohio published "The Official Roster of Ohio Soldiers,Sailors
and Marines in the World War 1917-18". My father's and uncle's names are in
it. It tells where and when they enlisted, where they served and dates, what
rank they were, and when they were discharged.

Does anyone know if New York state has ever published a similar roster of
New York servicemen and women >from WWI?

Marcia Katzel DeVries
Concord, California
marciadv@...

Researching:
KATZEL: Vilkomir,Lithuania>Cleveland,Ohio
BRAUER: Lithuania?;Novogrodek,Belarus?>England
BOOKATZ: Birzai,Lithuania?;Riga,Latvia?>England>Philadelphia>Cleveland,Ohio
GOLDSTEIN: Bogoslaviskis,Vilkomir,Lithuania>Cleveland,Ohio
BURSTEIN: Bogoslaviskis,Vilkomir,Lithuania>Cleveland,Ohio


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Is there a NY Roster of WWI Servicemen? #general

Marcia Katzel DeVries <marciadv@...>
 

The state of Ohio published "The Official Roster of Ohio Soldiers,Sailors
and Marines in the World War 1917-18". My father's and uncle's names are in
it. It tells where and when they enlisted, where they served and dates, what
rank they were, and when they were discharged.

Does anyone know if New York state has ever published a similar roster of
New York servicemen and women >from WWI?

Marcia Katzel DeVries
Concord, California
marciadv@...

Researching:
KATZEL: Vilkomir,Lithuania>Cleveland,Ohio
BRAUER: Lithuania?;Novogrodek,Belarus?>England
BOOKATZ: Birzai,Lithuania?;Riga,Latvia?>England>Philadelphia>Cleveland,Ohio
GOLDSTEIN: Bogoslaviskis,Vilkomir,Lithuania>Cleveland,Ohio
BURSTEIN: Bogoslaviskis,Vilkomir,Lithuania>Cleveland,Ohio


London Conference - Hyamson Papers #general

Judy Wolkovitch <judywolk@...>
 

Further to my previous e-mail, I have just been informed that the Jewish
Genealogical Society of Great Britain also has the Hyamson microfiche.

Judy Wolkovitch


Recommending a Researcher in Ukraine #general

Beryl Blickstein <beryl@...>
 

Like most of you, I was up against the usual genealogical "wall" in
tracing my family history, so I looked for a reliable researcher in the
Ukraine. I have had excellent results >from a Ukraine researcher from
Odessa in locating members of my BLICKSTEIN and GITLER families - from
Kamenets Podolsk - through the Ukrainian archives. The process has
taken about six months. This researcher was able to take my family trees
back about 150 years - to about 1750 - and provided me with copies of 88
documents >from the Ukrainian archives, plus their translations.

I gained accurate, verifiable information about 4 generations in two
families, including names and dates of birth of about 200 people. The
information has helped me resolve the relationship questions between
several branches of the family. I strongly recommend this researcher to
anyone looking for help in Ukraine.

Many of you are curious about the costs. The researcher himself charged
$75 for the initial contact with the archives, which established the
existence of a large number of documents. The researcher then charged me
an additional $160 for translating the 88 documents. The Ukraine
archives charged $360 for making true copies (certified, stamped,
signed, and fully attributed) of each of the 88 documents. Considering
the very large amount of material, I think the whole thing was a
bargain!

Since I understand that it is against JewishGen policy to directly
publish recommendations for genealogical researchers in this list, I
will be delighted provide this researcher's name and e-mail address in
response to your private e-mail or telephone call.

Beryl Blickstein
Silver Spring MD
beryl@...


Genealogists needed to save a life! #general

GOL Registry Operations <registry@...>
 

Please do not discard this message - A Jewish life depends upon it!

Please help! You have the power to save a life through your genealogical
research abilities!

Justin SIMON is dying of leukemia. He needs a bone marrow transplant. **You
are his only hope**. He cannot find a matched donor and time is running out.
Below please find his information. Write to info@... if you wish to
be tested for Justin.

Visit: www.hlamatch.org/justin

Tissue type is inherited, like eye or hair color. Justin's best chance of
finding a genetic match lies with those of Jewish ethnic ancestry (both
Ashkenazi and Sephardic). People who share Justin's ethno-geographic
ancestry are specifically encouraged to be tested! Justin's parents are
Harold and Thelma SIMON. Separdic donors are underrepresented in the donor
pool and are urged to be tested. One person can make a difference!
Paternal Ancestry
Grandfather: The "SHIMEL" or "SIMEL" family came >from a town called Liskiava
or Lachkoveo in Lithuania, about 60 miles southwest of Vilnius (Vilna). The
name SIMON was taken in 1902.
Other family names on the paternal side include ALTABE (changed to ABRAHAM),
HASSON, CAMPEAS, PENSO and MELNICK.
Grandmother: The LEVY family was >from Constantinople, Turkey. Some family
moved to France and married into the following families: ORANGER, HASSON,
LINNEWIEL, FAVEUR, DUMONT, BOUGEARD and CAMPEAS.
Maternal Ancestry
Family names include GOODMAN and BROOKS >from Russia / Poland.

Jay Feinberg
Managing Director

Gift of Life Bone Marrow Foundation
Bone Marrow & Blood Stem Cell Donor Program
Tel: 561.274.8200 Fax: 561.274.8206
www.hlamatch.org / registry@...

Member: World Marrow Donor Association
Participating Registry: Bone Marrow Donors Worldwide


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen London Conference - Hyamson Papers #general

Judy Wolkovitch <judywolk@...>
 

Further to my previous e-mail, I have just been informed that the Jewish
Genealogical Society of Great Britain also has the Hyamson microfiche.

Judy Wolkovitch


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Recommending a Researcher in Ukraine #general

Beryl Blickstein <beryl@...>
 

Like most of you, I was up against the usual genealogical "wall" in
tracing my family history, so I looked for a reliable researcher in the
Ukraine. I have had excellent results >from a Ukraine researcher from
Odessa in locating members of my BLICKSTEIN and GITLER families - from
Kamenets Podolsk - through the Ukrainian archives. The process has
taken about six months. This researcher was able to take my family trees
back about 150 years - to about 1750 - and provided me with copies of 88
documents >from the Ukrainian archives, plus their translations.

I gained accurate, verifiable information about 4 generations in two
families, including names and dates of birth of about 200 people. The
information has helped me resolve the relationship questions between
several branches of the family. I strongly recommend this researcher to
anyone looking for help in Ukraine.

Many of you are curious about the costs. The researcher himself charged
$75 for the initial contact with the archives, which established the
existence of a large number of documents. The researcher then charged me
an additional $160 for translating the 88 documents. The Ukraine
archives charged $360 for making true copies (certified, stamped,
signed, and fully attributed) of each of the 88 documents. Considering
the very large amount of material, I think the whole thing was a
bargain!

Since I understand that it is against JewishGen policy to directly
publish recommendations for genealogical researchers in this list, I
will be delighted provide this researcher's name and e-mail address in
response to your private e-mail or telephone call.

Beryl Blickstein
Silver Spring MD
beryl@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Genealogists needed to save a life! #general

GOL Registry Operations <registry@...>
 

Please do not discard this message - A Jewish life depends upon it!

Please help! You have the power to save a life through your genealogical
research abilities!

Justin SIMON is dying of leukemia. He needs a bone marrow transplant. **You
are his only hope**. He cannot find a matched donor and time is running out.
Below please find his information. Write to info@... if you wish to
be tested for Justin.

Visit: www.hlamatch.org/justin

Tissue type is inherited, like eye or hair color. Justin's best chance of
finding a genetic match lies with those of Jewish ethnic ancestry (both
Ashkenazi and Sephardic). People who share Justin's ethno-geographic
ancestry are specifically encouraged to be tested! Justin's parents are
Harold and Thelma SIMON. Separdic donors are underrepresented in the donor
pool and are urged to be tested. One person can make a difference!
Paternal Ancestry
Grandfather: The "SHIMEL" or "SIMEL" family came >from a town called Liskiava
or Lachkoveo in Lithuania, about 60 miles southwest of Vilnius (Vilna). The
name SIMON was taken in 1902.
Other family names on the paternal side include ALTABE (changed to ABRAHAM),
HASSON, CAMPEAS, PENSO and MELNICK.
Grandmother: The LEVY family was >from Constantinople, Turkey. Some family
moved to France and married into the following families: ORANGER, HASSON,
LINNEWIEL, FAVEUR, DUMONT, BOUGEARD and CAMPEAS.
Maternal Ancestry
Family names include GOODMAN and BROOKS >from Russia / Poland.

Jay Feinberg
Managing Director

Gift of Life Bone Marrow Foundation
Bone Marrow & Blood Stem Cell Donor Program
Tel: 561.274.8200 Fax: 561.274.8206
www.hlamatch.org / registry@...

Member: World Marrow Donor Association
Participating Registry: Bone Marrow Donors Worldwide


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine RE: Brody #ukraine

Ida & Joseph Schwarcz <idayosef@...>
 

My late father-in-law, Yosef Seh-Lavan, told me that there was an office in
Brody for people who wanted to go to Eretz Yisrael. He crossed the border,
somehow, >from Ukraine to Poland, went to Brody, and reached Eretz Yisrael
in 1923. He met his wife, Batya Starobinski, of Warsaw (born in Polonka)
either at the office in Brody or on board the ship.

Ida Selavan Schwarcz
Arad, Israel

Original Message
From: RONC1VSNY@...
Subject: [ukraine] Brody

The town of Brody has been written of, regarding escape routes >from the
Pale of Settlement. In fact one article I read almost advertised the
town, " Two weeks >from Brody to Ellis Island". Brody, at the time, was
in Austria and just across the border >from the Pale. Now of course, Brody
is in the Western Ukraine. I have also read in the Kamenets-Podolsk Yiskor
book of places similar to the South. I think that is the route most people
took. It might be that at times the borders were more secure than at other
times.

Ron Cutler


Re: Brody #galicia

Ida & Joseph Schwarcz <idayosef@...>
 

My late father-in-law, Yosef Seh-Lavan, told me that there was an office in
Brody for people who wanted to go to Eretz Yisrael. He crossed the border,
somehow, >from Ukraine to Poland, went to Brody, and reached Eretz Yisrael
in 1923. He met his wife, Batya Starobinski, of Warsaw (born in Polonka)
either at the office in Brody or on board the ship.

Ida Selavan Schwarcz
Arad, Israel

Original Message
From: RONC1VSNY@...
Subject: [ukraine] Brody

The town of Brody has been written of, regarding escape routes >from the
Pale of Settlement. In fact one article I read almost advertised the
town, " Two weeks >from Brody to Ellis Island". Brody, at the time, was
in Austria and just across the border >from the Pale. Now of course, Brody
is in the Western Ukraine. I have also read in the Kamenets-Podolsk Yiskor
book of places similar to the South. I think that is the route most people
took. It might be that at times the borders were more secure than at other
times.

Ron Cutler


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Yad Vashem Valley of the Communities - Sudilkov and Shepetovka, Ukraine #ukraine

Ginsburg, Paul <GinsburgP@...>
 

A new page has been added to the Sudilkov website
which shows pictures of the memorials to Sudilkov
and Shepetovka, Ukraine [part of the Valley of the
Communities monument at Yad Vashem in Jerusalem].

http://members.bellatlantic.net/~pauldana/valley.htm

Paul W. Ginsburg
Sudilkov Online Landsmanshaft
http://www.sudilkov.com
Bethesda, MD


Yad Vashem Valley of the Communities - Sudilkov and Shepetovka, Ukraine #ukraine

Ginsburg, Paul <GinsburgP@...>
 

A new page has been added to the Sudilkov website
which shows pictures of the memorials to Sudilkov
and Shepetovka, Ukraine [part of the Valley of the
Communities monument at Yad Vashem in Jerusalem].

http://members.bellatlantic.net/~pauldana/valley.htm

Paul W. Ginsburg
Sudilkov Online Landsmanshaft
http://www.sudilkov.com
Bethesda, MD


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Grechevsky #ukraine

Nelson, David (DHS-CDIC) <DNelson3@...>
 

My great grandmother came over with my grandfather, Ben Grechevsky.
Her name was ZLATA GRECHEVSKY (GREMM). Any one know the derivation of
Zlata? Russian, Polish, Slovakian? May be a clue as to the family's
origin. Thanks for any help.

David Nelson


Grechevsky #ukraine

Nelson, David (DHS-CDIC) <DNelson3@...>
 

My great grandmother came over with my grandfather, Ben Grechevsky.
Her name was ZLATA GRECHEVSKY (GREMM). Any one know the derivation of
Zlata? Russian, Polish, Slovakian? May be a clue as to the family's
origin. Thanks for any help.

David Nelson


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re: Emigration by Jewish soldiers ca 1904 #ukraine

JGLois@...
 

The husband of a cousin told me that his grandfather was in the Russian
military and was being transported to the war by ship (for service in the
Russo-Japanese War) via the "western" route. The ship stopped at New York
and he dove off and swam in,sneaking ashore. Became Mr. Smith shortly
thereafter. Family still Smith.

Story seemed a bit farfetched to me, but I didn't do any research on that
family as they are not "my" family and have seen no similar story elsewhere.
Does this appear to be a possibility ?


Lois Sernoff [Phila., PA]
<JGLois@...>

Researching:
MEZHIRITZKY [MERITZ, MARRITZ, MARRITS] >from Korsun in Kiev Gub. to Phila.
SOSNOVSKY [SOSNOFSKY, SOSNOV - all spelling variations] >from Gorodishche
in Cherkassy uyezd, Kiev Gub.-> Ekaterinoslav -> Philadelphia, PA or
anywhere.
YO(A)MPOLSKY: >from Korsun vicinity to Phila.


Re: Emigration by Jewish soldiers ca 1904 #ukraine

JGLois@...
 

The husband of a cousin told me that his grandfather was in the Russian
military and was being transported to the war by ship (for service in the
Russo-Japanese War) via the "western" route. The ship stopped at New York
and he dove off and swam in,sneaking ashore. Became Mr. Smith shortly
thereafter. Family still Smith.

Story seemed a bit farfetched to me, but I didn't do any research on that
family as they are not "my" family and have seen no similar story elsewhere.
Does this appear to be a possibility ?


Lois Sernoff [Phila., PA]
<JGLois@...>

Researching:
MEZHIRITZKY [MERITZ, MARRITZ, MARRITS] >from Korsun in Kiev Gub. to Phila.
SOSNOVSKY [SOSNOFSKY, SOSNOV - all spelling variations] >from Gorodishche
in Cherkassy uyezd, Kiev Gub.-> Ekaterinoslav -> Philadelphia, PA or
anywhere.
YO(A)MPOLSKY: >from Korsun vicinity to Phila.


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re: Babi Yar #ukraine

Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz <Shmuel@...>
 

In <message-id clipped>,
on 02/25/2001
Mark Saul <MSaul@...> said:

Question to moderator: Why can't participants on this list converse
more freely about issues tangential to genealogy?
I'm not sure I'm confortable with the degree of censorship you seem
to be exercising. If an e-mail is too long or not of interest, I am
free to ignore it once it is received.
That seems a bit ungracious. They are providing access to the list pro
bono. I for one am grateful to them for doing so, and would not
consider insulting them by referring to their moderation as
"censorship".


Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT

Researching:

Gelman, Channah Khazangorodk Belarus
Katz, Shmuel Gologury(Lemberg) Tarnopol Ukraine
Lifshitz, Bluma Gologury(Lemberg) Tarnopol Ukraine
Metsch, Shlomo Chernevist, Galicia, Austria
Metsch, Yechiel Chernevist, Galicia, Austria
Shulman, Zalman Dov Khazangoroduk Belarus
(Berel)


Re: Babi Yar #ukraine

Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz <Shmuel@...>
 

In <message-id clipped>,
on 02/25/2001
Mark Saul <MSaul@...> said:

Question to moderator: Why can't participants on this list converse
more freely about issues tangential to genealogy?
I'm not sure I'm confortable with the degree of censorship you seem
to be exercising. If an e-mail is too long or not of interest, I am
free to ignore it once it is received.
That seems a bit ungracious. They are providing access to the list pro
bono. I for one am grateful to them for doing so, and would not
consider insulting them by referring to their moderation as
"censorship".


Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT

Researching:

Gelman, Channah Khazangorodk Belarus
Katz, Shmuel Gologury(Lemberg) Tarnopol Ukraine
Lifshitz, Bluma Gologury(Lemberg) Tarnopol Ukraine
Metsch, Shlomo Chernevist, Galicia, Austria
Metsch, Yechiel Chernevist, Galicia, Austria
Shulman, Zalman Dov Khazangoroduk Belarus
(Berel)