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Ehud Barak Remember(s)! #general

Ada Holtzman <ada01@...>
 

Shalom,

Ehud Barak remember(s) the roots!

If you read my message, you will find an amazing background:
a grandfather killed by Goyiim in a small Jewish community
Lithuania, nearly a century ago... The importance of security
and liberation of the Jews in their new-old homeland is clear,
and this lesson surly transferred >from Ehud Barak's fatherless
father to son...

Most of the paragraphs can be verified in Ehud Barak's biography,
written by Ben Caspi and Ilan Kfir: "Barak - Soldier Number One".
Alfa Communication, Tel Aviv, May 1998.

This was my original message first sent to the Polish journalist on
31st May 1999, right after the elections and it has been revised now.


Ehud Barak Remember(s)!

I had a long telephone call with Ester and Israel Brog, Ehud Barak's
parents. Only in Israel, you could informally talk to people, parents
of the Prime Minister, who don't know you at all, about everything
as if we were old friends... Their story is very typical to many
Kibbutz founders. They represent the "working Israel".
They are part of the generation of "Khalutzim", pioneers who built
the new state of Israel, Palestine at the time.
They built their Kibbutz on a deserted land, with nothing but
marshes...

* Mother: Ester Brog, in her 80s, maiden name: Godin, born in Warsaw.
Her parents came to Poland >from Russia. May be their original
name in Russian was Hodin. She lived in Ul Stacki 9 in Warsaw.
Recently her granddaughter (the youngest daughter of Ehud Barak)
visited Poland on a root youth mission, and found the house, where
Ester left parents Shmuel and Raszka whoperished in Treblinka later.
On it there is a plaque in Polish and English: "This is the place from
where the Warsaw Jewry was sent to death in Treblinka"...
It was right near the "Umshlag Platz"...

Ehud Barak remember(s) grandparents, Shoa martyrs murdered in Treblinka!

Ester says that until 1941 she still received in Palestine, letters
>from family, sent through the Red Cross. Three sisters survived.
They had another brother, who run away to Russia as well.
He was caught by the Soviets and sent to slave labor in a coal mine
in the "Dorenbat" region (I don't know the exact spelling - notorious
place). He survived and returned to Poland, to Lwow (now Lviv) and
died in 1945 there, of pneumonia caused by his labor at the mines.

Ehud Barak remember(s) the uncle, another victim of the Holocaust, died
after Holocaust >from the torture during Holocaust!

* Father: Israel Brog born 1912 in Lithuania in a village "Pushilt"
(spelled as pronounced) near the town of Poniewiez (Panevezys),
famous of its rabbinical tradition and Yeshivoth near Kovno (Kaunas)
in Lithuania.

Israel Brog has been an orphan since 2 years old. He was born in 1910
His father, (Barak's grandfather) Reuven Brog was a rabbi of the
small village and a pharmacist as well. He finished his studies in
pharmaceutics in Vilna, a rather rare phenomena those times and came
back to the village to serve his people.

On the summer of 1911 there was a disastrous fire which destroyed many
parts of the village and also the synagogue of the community was burnt
down. Reuven Brog traveled to America, to raise and collect money
donated by Lensleit >from the East Side of N.Y.
He came back and hid the money in a secret place in his house, aimed
to the restoration of the burnt synagogue.
But rumors spread about this treasure and one day he was attacked in
his home by Christian hooligans. This happened on the first day of
Sukkot,26 september 1912.
Reuven and his wife Frida were murdered on the spot, leaving two
sons, one badly wounded, Meir, who still has the scar >from the attack
- and Israel Brog, Ehud Barak's father.

Ehud Barak remember(s) grandparents, killed for working for a Jewish
cause!

Israel was then raised by grandmother Issla. He won't leave her to
go to Eretz Israel, until she died. Only than he left.

Ehud Barak remember(s) great grandmother, Issla, Eshet Khail of Israel!

Israel and Ester both belonged to a special Zionist movement:
"Gordonia". It is a chapter by itself.
It was youth organization (like Ha'shomer Hatzair) part of the
Khalutz (pioneer) Zionist socialist movement. It was founded in
Galicia Poland at 1925, and it was named after A.D. Gordon, a
Socialist Zionist leader and scholar who wrote about changing the
Jewish people economical and social structure to one which relays
mainly on Labor ("avoda") - manual work. He preached to change the
mentality and livelihood of the Jew, to make him a working proud man
in Eretz Israel, idolization "Labor" to the level of religion.
"Gordonia" belonged to a party in Palestine: "Ha'Poel Ha'tzaiir" -
the "young worker", and the branches in the diaspora were named:
"The union of Poalei (workers of) Zion"
Its members founded in Palestine some Kibbutzim, Israel and Easter;s
Kibbutz,among them.
In its first international conference, the idealogy of Gordonia was
set:
1) Building a new state to the Jewish people in Eretz Israel
2) Education of the human being.
3) Building a working class in Eretz israel
4) The revival of the Hebrew culture and Hebrew language.
5) Self Labour

Ehud Barak remember(s) the heritage!

Ester was in Kibbutz Hachshara (1933-1935) of this movement
in the small town of Zaluszycie near Kielce. She testified
that it was a very primitive small town. In all there was only
one Jewish pupil in that place. She lived there 2 years, preparing
for "Alyia" as a Khalutza to Eretz Israel. This "Kibbutz Hachshara"
is another chapter in the history of the Zionist movements in
Poland - The young zionist members gathered in farms near big towns
all through Poland, where they worked, lived and practiced pioneering
life as a preparatory stage before "Alyia" - immigration to
Eretz Israel.

Ehud Barak remember(s) the Khalutzim (Pioneers), those who reached the
Land and those who did not!

Back to the Brog odyssey.
Israel finished the Hebrew gymnasium which was and outstanding
achievement at the time in those shtetls of the early years of the
20th century.
After "Hakhshara", Israel got a certificate in 1930, being among the
very few who the newly founded Hebrew University in Jerusalem
invited to study. He was given scholarship and finished the study
of the Human Sciences in 1933. Upon completion of his studies he
joined his friends >from Gordonia and got organized in Hertzelya. >from
there they moved and founded a Kibbutz in Emek Hefer, Ha'sharon region,
where he married Ester who came a few years later to join him in the
Kibbutz. The land of their Kibbutz, like many others in "Emek Hefer"
(the Valley of Hefer") was legally bought >from Arab effendi by Canadian
group of Jews who supported them.
They live there ever since.

Ehud Barak remember(s) the sacrifice of his parents' generation!

Israel was working outside the Kibbutz, mainly building roads.
He was a real Khalutz (pioneer) and worked in many places, among
them the paving of the airport in Lod, what became now the Ben Gurion
Airport.
Ester came in 1935. She said she found "very beautiful blue skies",
but that was all... Everything was fresh and new. They actually did
build everything >from nothing.
For many years they lived in wooden barracks, covered with tar, in a
country that is burning >from heat 8 months a year.
There was nothing. They started making a garden of vegetable,than
plant the first orchard of oranges. Ester worked in the vegetables
garden and later took care of little children, "Metapelet" where she
continued to work for many years.
There was the "collective education" and the children lived
separately >from the parents, in the children houses.
she was in charge of such group and thus she raised generations of
children in the Kibbutz. Another chapter in itself.

Ehud Barak remember(s) the blue skies of Eretz Israel, the color of
parents' dreams!

>from the times of the Kibbutz early stage of existence, Ester told
me of only one episode in Ehud's childhood: the piano.
In spite of the difficult conditions of life, they tried very hard
to give the best education to the children. Study of music was highly
observed.
Every child was taught to play an instrument: the flute, accordion,
mandolin, mandola, violin...
Ehud chose the piano, in which he excelled and plays till today.

Ehud Barak remember the Jewish education and ideals!

Ester and Israel gave birth to four sons.
The first born in 1937 was Ehud, named after Ehud son of Gera, a
judge of Israel (the leader and supreme commander in the bible
times) see Judges III/15:
" But when the children of Israel cried unto the Lord, the Lord
raised them up a deliverer, Ehud the son of Gera Ben Hayemini".

Ehud Barak remember(s) after whom you are named!

The second born was Avinoam, born in 1939, named after
Avinoam, father of Barak, another judge - see: Judges IV/6:
"and she (Deborah) sent and called Barak the son of Avinoam out
of Kadesh-Naftali, and said unto him, Hath not the Lord God of Israel
commanded, saying, Go and draw toward mount Tabor, and take with thee
ten thousand men of the children of Naftali and of the children of
Zebulun?"

The third son was "Moli" nickname for Shmuel - who was born in 1949,
already after Independence. He is named after Ester's father: Szmuel
Godin >from Warsaw, ul. Stacki 9, who perished with wife Raszka in
Treblinka..

The fourth boy, son of their old age Rubi, was born in 1954.
He carries on the name of Reuven (Ruben), who was Israel's father,
a new man of Rabbinical and secular high education, man of his small
community in Lithuania, who died in martyrdon, for keeping money
needed to rebuilt a burnt synagogue in a burnt hometown...

Ehud Barak remember(s) the brothers!

They don't know the source of the name "BROG". It is possible as
we figured out, it is coming >from the small town of _Brok_ near
Bialystok. They never knew why.

Ehud Barak remember(s) the family name >from the Galut!

Ester and Israel have 12 grandchildren and lot of "nakhath"
(satisfaction and peace) and I wish them long and happy life.
Their son's success is ours... Their story is typical, similar to
mine, and only when son became famous also their story is
highlighted.
There are thousands and thousand of such anonymous people, founders
of the State of Israel, all carrying their heritage on to the sons,
who came >from the lost old world, to build here a better place
and a secure homeland to the Jews.
I think we shall remember this, and I am sure...

Ehud Barak remember(s)!...

Shalom SHALOM...

Ada Holtzman
Web Site: http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/4017/


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Ehud Barak Remember(s)! #general

Ada Holtzman <ada01@...>
 

Shalom,

Ehud Barak remember(s) the roots!

If you read my message, you will find an amazing background:
a grandfather killed by Goyiim in a small Jewish community
Lithuania, nearly a century ago... The importance of security
and liberation of the Jews in their new-old homeland is clear,
and this lesson surly transferred >from Ehud Barak's fatherless
father to son...

Most of the paragraphs can be verified in Ehud Barak's biography,
written by Ben Caspi and Ilan Kfir: "Barak - Soldier Number One".
Alfa Communication, Tel Aviv, May 1998.

This was my original message first sent to the Polish journalist on
31st May 1999, right after the elections and it has been revised now.


Ehud Barak Remember(s)!

I had a long telephone call with Ester and Israel Brog, Ehud Barak's
parents. Only in Israel, you could informally talk to people, parents
of the Prime Minister, who don't know you at all, about everything
as if we were old friends... Their story is very typical to many
Kibbutz founders. They represent the "working Israel".
They are part of the generation of "Khalutzim", pioneers who built
the new state of Israel, Palestine at the time.
They built their Kibbutz on a deserted land, with nothing but
marshes...

* Mother: Ester Brog, in her 80s, maiden name: Godin, born in Warsaw.
Her parents came to Poland >from Russia. May be their original
name in Russian was Hodin. She lived in Ul Stacki 9 in Warsaw.
Recently her granddaughter (the youngest daughter of Ehud Barak)
visited Poland on a root youth mission, and found the house, where
Ester left parents Shmuel and Raszka whoperished in Treblinka later.
On it there is a plaque in Polish and English: "This is the place from
where the Warsaw Jewry was sent to death in Treblinka"...
It was right near the "Umshlag Platz"...

Ehud Barak remember(s) grandparents, Shoa martyrs murdered in Treblinka!

Ester says that until 1941 she still received in Palestine, letters
>from family, sent through the Red Cross. Three sisters survived.
They had another brother, who run away to Russia as well.
He was caught by the Soviets and sent to slave labor in a coal mine
in the "Dorenbat" region (I don't know the exact spelling - notorious
place). He survived and returned to Poland, to Lwow (now Lviv) and
died in 1945 there, of pneumonia caused by his labor at the mines.

Ehud Barak remember(s) the uncle, another victim of the Holocaust, died
after Holocaust >from the torture during Holocaust!

* Father: Israel Brog born 1912 in Lithuania in a village "Pushilt"
(spelled as pronounced) near the town of Poniewiez (Panevezys),
famous of its rabbinical tradition and Yeshivoth near Kovno (Kaunas)
in Lithuania.

Israel Brog has been an orphan since 2 years old. He was born in 1910
His father, (Barak's grandfather) Reuven Brog was a rabbi of the
small village and a pharmacist as well. He finished his studies in
pharmaceutics in Vilna, a rather rare phenomena those times and came
back to the village to serve his people.

On the summer of 1911 there was a disastrous fire which destroyed many
parts of the village and also the synagogue of the community was burnt
down. Reuven Brog traveled to America, to raise and collect money
donated by Lensleit >from the East Side of N.Y.
He came back and hid the money in a secret place in his house, aimed
to the restoration of the burnt synagogue.
But rumors spread about this treasure and one day he was attacked in
his home by Christian hooligans. This happened on the first day of
Sukkot,26 september 1912.
Reuven and his wife Frida were murdered on the spot, leaving two
sons, one badly wounded, Meir, who still has the scar >from the attack
- and Israel Brog, Ehud Barak's father.

Ehud Barak remember(s) grandparents, killed for working for a Jewish
cause!

Israel was then raised by grandmother Issla. He won't leave her to
go to Eretz Israel, until she died. Only than he left.

Ehud Barak remember(s) great grandmother, Issla, Eshet Khail of Israel!

Israel and Ester both belonged to a special Zionist movement:
"Gordonia". It is a chapter by itself.
It was youth organization (like Ha'shomer Hatzair) part of the
Khalutz (pioneer) Zionist socialist movement. It was founded in
Galicia Poland at 1925, and it was named after A.D. Gordon, a
Socialist Zionist leader and scholar who wrote about changing the
Jewish people economical and social structure to one which relays
mainly on Labor ("avoda") - manual work. He preached to change the
mentality and livelihood of the Jew, to make him a working proud man
in Eretz Israel, idolization "Labor" to the level of religion.
"Gordonia" belonged to a party in Palestine: "Ha'Poel Ha'tzaiir" -
the "young worker", and the branches in the diaspora were named:
"The union of Poalei (workers of) Zion"
Its members founded in Palestine some Kibbutzim, Israel and Easter;s
Kibbutz,among them.
In its first international conference, the idealogy of Gordonia was
set:
1) Building a new state to the Jewish people in Eretz Israel
2) Education of the human being.
3) Building a working class in Eretz israel
4) The revival of the Hebrew culture and Hebrew language.
5) Self Labour

Ehud Barak remember(s) the heritage!

Ester was in Kibbutz Hachshara (1933-1935) of this movement
in the small town of Zaluszycie near Kielce. She testified
that it was a very primitive small town. In all there was only
one Jewish pupil in that place. She lived there 2 years, preparing
for "Alyia" as a Khalutza to Eretz Israel. This "Kibbutz Hachshara"
is another chapter in the history of the Zionist movements in
Poland - The young zionist members gathered in farms near big towns
all through Poland, where they worked, lived and practiced pioneering
life as a preparatory stage before "Alyia" - immigration to
Eretz Israel.

Ehud Barak remember(s) the Khalutzim (Pioneers), those who reached the
Land and those who did not!

Back to the Brog odyssey.
Israel finished the Hebrew gymnasium which was and outstanding
achievement at the time in those shtetls of the early years of the
20th century.
After "Hakhshara", Israel got a certificate in 1930, being among the
very few who the newly founded Hebrew University in Jerusalem
invited to study. He was given scholarship and finished the study
of the Human Sciences in 1933. Upon completion of his studies he
joined his friends >from Gordonia and got organized in Hertzelya. >from
there they moved and founded a Kibbutz in Emek Hefer, Ha'sharon region,
where he married Ester who came a few years later to join him in the
Kibbutz. The land of their Kibbutz, like many others in "Emek Hefer"
(the Valley of Hefer") was legally bought >from Arab effendi by Canadian
group of Jews who supported them.
They live there ever since.

Ehud Barak remember(s) the sacrifice of his parents' generation!

Israel was working outside the Kibbutz, mainly building roads.
He was a real Khalutz (pioneer) and worked in many places, among
them the paving of the airport in Lod, what became now the Ben Gurion
Airport.
Ester came in 1935. She said she found "very beautiful blue skies",
but that was all... Everything was fresh and new. They actually did
build everything >from nothing.
For many years they lived in wooden barracks, covered with tar, in a
country that is burning >from heat 8 months a year.
There was nothing. They started making a garden of vegetable,than
plant the first orchard of oranges. Ester worked in the vegetables
garden and later took care of little children, "Metapelet" where she
continued to work for many years.
There was the "collective education" and the children lived
separately >from the parents, in the children houses.
she was in charge of such group and thus she raised generations of
children in the Kibbutz. Another chapter in itself.

Ehud Barak remember(s) the blue skies of Eretz Israel, the color of
parents' dreams!

>from the times of the Kibbutz early stage of existence, Ester told
me of only one episode in Ehud's childhood: the piano.
In spite of the difficult conditions of life, they tried very hard
to give the best education to the children. Study of music was highly
observed.
Every child was taught to play an instrument: the flute, accordion,
mandolin, mandola, violin...
Ehud chose the piano, in which he excelled and plays till today.

Ehud Barak remember the Jewish education and ideals!

Ester and Israel gave birth to four sons.
The first born in 1937 was Ehud, named after Ehud son of Gera, a
judge of Israel (the leader and supreme commander in the bible
times) see Judges III/15:
" But when the children of Israel cried unto the Lord, the Lord
raised them up a deliverer, Ehud the son of Gera Ben Hayemini".

Ehud Barak remember(s) after whom you are named!

The second born was Avinoam, born in 1939, named after
Avinoam, father of Barak, another judge - see: Judges IV/6:
"and she (Deborah) sent and called Barak the son of Avinoam out
of Kadesh-Naftali, and said unto him, Hath not the Lord God of Israel
commanded, saying, Go and draw toward mount Tabor, and take with thee
ten thousand men of the children of Naftali and of the children of
Zebulun?"

The third son was "Moli" nickname for Shmuel - who was born in 1949,
already after Independence. He is named after Ester's father: Szmuel
Godin >from Warsaw, ul. Stacki 9, who perished with wife Raszka in
Treblinka..

The fourth boy, son of their old age Rubi, was born in 1954.
He carries on the name of Reuven (Ruben), who was Israel's father,
a new man of Rabbinical and secular high education, man of his small
community in Lithuania, who died in martyrdon, for keeping money
needed to rebuilt a burnt synagogue in a burnt hometown...

Ehud Barak remember(s) the brothers!

They don't know the source of the name "BROG". It is possible as
we figured out, it is coming >from the small town of _Brok_ near
Bialystok. They never knew why.

Ehud Barak remember(s) the family name >from the Galut!

Ester and Israel have 12 grandchildren and lot of "nakhath"
(satisfaction and peace) and I wish them long and happy life.
Their son's success is ours... Their story is typical, similar to
mine, and only when son became famous also their story is
highlighted.
There are thousands and thousand of such anonymous people, founders
of the State of Israel, all carrying their heritage on to the sons,
who came >from the lost old world, to build here a better place
and a secure homeland to the Jews.
I think we shall remember this, and I am sure...

Ehud Barak remember(s)!...

Shalom SHALOM...

Ada Holtzman
Web Site: http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/4017/


researcher in Ukraine #general

Morris Roitman <wa440@...>
 

I am looking for an experienced researcher for the Podalia area of
Ukraine( esp.Vinnitsa area) in reference to 19th century records . Any
recommendations?
Please contact me privately.
Thanks.
Morris Roitman

MODERATOR NOTE: Since we cannot publish recommendations
for professional researchers, please respond privately.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen researcher in Ukraine #general

Morris Roitman <wa440@...>
 

I am looking for an experienced researcher for the Podalia area of
Ukraine( esp.Vinnitsa area) in reference to 19th century records . Any
recommendations?
Please contact me privately.
Thanks.
Morris Roitman

MODERATOR NOTE: Since we cannot publish recommendations
for professional researchers, please respond privately.


Re: Birth certificate in Leeds or Liverpool, U.K. #general

mpfreed28315861@...
 

RosieHA9@... wrote:
Max Bundman < 71574.177@... > wrote:
I am trying to help a friend search for the birth certificate of his
grandfather. He was born in December, 1878, in either Leeds or
Liverpool, U.K.
Where and how can he obtain a copy of this certificate?
All responses will be greatly appreciated.
Contact the Registry Offices in both cities. Its cheaper to obtain a
copy certificate that way.

Give me the grandfather's name and I will look up the 1881 Leeds census
returns on which he should be listed if he lived in Leeds.

Murray Freedman
mpfreed@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Birth certificate in Leeds or Liverpool, U.K. #general

mpfreed28315861@...
 

RosieHA9@... wrote:
Max Bundman < 71574.177@... > wrote:
I am trying to help a friend search for the birth certificate of his
grandfather. He was born in December, 1878, in either Leeds or
Liverpool, U.K.
Where and how can he obtain a copy of this certificate?
All responses will be greatly appreciated.
Contact the Registry Offices in both cities. Its cheaper to obtain a
copy certificate that way.

Give me the grandfather's name and I will look up the 1881 Leeds census
returns on which he should be listed if he lived in Leeds.

Murray Freedman
mpfreed@...


DURG (Disna Uyezd Research Group) #general

Batya Olsen <batya@...>
 

After being away a week, I deleted a lot of mail at home, thinking that
I had forwarded copies waiting for me at our summer house -
unfortunately, they aren't.

There was at least one DURG message. If you sent me such email in the
past 10 days, could you please resend? Thanks.

Batya

Batya Matzkin Olsen, Concord, MA, USA
Researching:
EISENSHMIDT/AYZENSHMID/AJZENSHMID Bialystok, Poland; KELMAN;
MANFELD/MANFIELD/MANSFIELD Postavy, Belarus -> Sterling, Illinois;
MATZKIN Vidzy, Belarus & anywhere
ROSENBLUM Smorgon, Belarus; RUNKIN; SCHARER


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen DURG (Disna Uyezd Research Group) #general

Batya Olsen <batya@...>
 

After being away a week, I deleted a lot of mail at home, thinking that
I had forwarded copies waiting for me at our summer house -
unfortunately, they aren't.

There was at least one DURG message. If you sent me such email in the
past 10 days, could you please resend? Thanks.

Batya

Batya Matzkin Olsen, Concord, MA, USA
Researching:
EISENSHMIDT/AYZENSHMID/AJZENSHMID Bialystok, Poland; KELMAN;
MANFELD/MANFIELD/MANSFIELD Postavy, Belarus -> Sterling, Illinois;
MATZKIN Vidzy, Belarus & anywhere
ROSENBLUM Smorgon, Belarus; RUNKIN; SCHARER


Pawdovo and Glorono, Poland??? #general

Hafcjf@...
 

I'm hoping that maybe some Jewishgenners out there will be able to shed
some light on this for me.

One branch of our family has always said that they came >from Lodz.
However, when I pulled the passenger manifests for them, they did not list
Lodz as their birthplace. Instead the parents said that they were born in
Pawdovo.
There's no town listed by this name though in the shtetl seeker there is a
Powodovo, which seems like it would have been fairly close in pronunciation.
According to the manifest, the children were born in Glorono. I couldn't
find any town with a similiar spelling. Another line of our family comes
from Glovno and I'm wondering if this could have been what was meant.
Any speculations would be welcome.

Cathy J. Flamholtz
Brent, AL
hafcjf@...

Searching:
FLAMHOLTZ/FLAMHOLZ/FLAMHOLC/FLAMGOLC or any other variation (anywhere)
FLAMBAUM/FLOMBAUM or variants (anywhere)
BEHM (anywhere)
LACHMAN/LISHMAN (Belchatow, Poland or NYC)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Pawdovo and Glorono, Poland??? #general

Hafcjf@...
 

I'm hoping that maybe some Jewishgenners out there will be able to shed
some light on this for me.

One branch of our family has always said that they came >from Lodz.
However, when I pulled the passenger manifests for them, they did not list
Lodz as their birthplace. Instead the parents said that they were born in
Pawdovo.
There's no town listed by this name though in the shtetl seeker there is a
Powodovo, which seems like it would have been fairly close in pronunciation.
According to the manifest, the children were born in Glorono. I couldn't
find any town with a similiar spelling. Another line of our family comes
from Glovno and I'm wondering if this could have been what was meant.
Any speculations would be welcome.

Cathy J. Flamholtz
Brent, AL
hafcjf@...

Searching:
FLAMHOLTZ/FLAMHOLZ/FLAMHOLC/FLAMGOLC or any other variation (anywhere)
FLAMBAUM/FLOMBAUM or variants (anywhere)
BEHM (anywhere)
LACHMAN/LISHMAN (Belchatow, Poland or NYC)


Name Changes (Napoleonic era) #general

Herb <hvb@...>
 

I have finally researched far enough back to locate a widowed ancestor
who, in about 1811, changed her name and that of her children >from the
"Levi ben Moses" form to a family surname.

My questions are:

How do you handle the multiple (or alternate) names in manual or
computerized record-keeping? (This is basically the same as someone
changing their name)

In the x ben y form, where do you place each name? (That is, what gets
entered as a surname, as a given name?

If this has been addressed previously, I was unable to locate the
appropriate messages.

Herb Van Brink
Woodland Hills, CA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Name Changes (Napoleonic era) #general

Herb <hvb@...>
 

I have finally researched far enough back to locate a widowed ancestor
who, in about 1811, changed her name and that of her children >from the
"Levi ben Moses" form to a family surname.

My questions are:

How do you handle the multiple (or alternate) names in manual or
computerized record-keeping? (This is basically the same as someone
changing their name)

In the x ben y form, where do you place each name? (That is, what gets
entered as a surname, as a given name?

If this has been addressed previously, I was unable to locate the
appropriate messages.

Herb Van Brink
Woodland Hills, CA


Reverse lookups - a summary #general

IsraelP <zach4v6@...>
 

A couple of weeks ago, I asked about reverse lookups and received a
dozen or so responses.

Below is a brief summary. (These sites do regular lookups too, but I'm
not discussing that here.)

http://www.theultimates.com/white/
links to reverse phone lookups of several of the other sources listed below.

http://www.knowx.com
does reverse lookups for a fee

http://www.anywho.com
does reverse phone and address lookups, but the address lookups will give
you the whole street, not a specific address

These three,
http://pic5.infospace.com/info/reverse.htm
http://home.netscape.com/netcenter/whitereverse.html
http://www.555-1212.com
offer reverse lookups based on phone, address or email

http://pic5.infospace.com/info/reverse.htm
can do reverse lookups via a whole list of sources

http://www.startingpage.com/html/lookup.html#ReverseLookup
does reverse lookups via other sources and offers a number of other
people finding tools on the same page.

Thanks to all those who helped on this.

Israel Pickholtz


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Reverse lookups - a summary #general

IsraelP <zach4v6@...>
 

A couple of weeks ago, I asked about reverse lookups and received a
dozen or so responses.

Below is a brief summary. (These sites do regular lookups too, but I'm
not discussing that here.)

http://www.theultimates.com/white/
links to reverse phone lookups of several of the other sources listed below.

http://www.knowx.com
does reverse lookups for a fee

http://www.anywho.com
does reverse phone and address lookups, but the address lookups will give
you the whole street, not a specific address

These three,
http://pic5.infospace.com/info/reverse.htm
http://home.netscape.com/netcenter/whitereverse.html
http://www.555-1212.com
offer reverse lookups based on phone, address or email

http://pic5.infospace.com/info/reverse.htm
can do reverse lookups via a whole list of sources

http://www.startingpage.com/html/lookup.html#ReverseLookup
does reverse lookups via other sources and offers a number of other
people finding tools on the same page.

Thanks to all those who helped on this.

Israel Pickholtz


Elias name equivalents #general

Charles Nam <charlesnam@...>
 

References to my ancestors of the same generation include the names Elias,
Eliesh, Eliezer, and Yeshia. Is it likely that these refer to the same
person?

Charles B. Nam
820 Live Oak Plantation Road
Tallahassee, FL 32312-2413
charlesnam@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Elias name equivalents #general

Charles Nam <charlesnam@...>
 

References to my ancestors of the same generation include the names Elias,
Eliesh, Eliezer, and Yeshia. Is it likely that these refer to the same
person?

Charles B. Nam
820 Live Oak Plantation Road
Tallahassee, FL 32312-2413
charlesnam@...


New research group! Stanislawow-Ivano Frankivsk #general

Denise Azbill <famaz@...>
 

Dear Genners,

I am excited to announce the formation of a new research group for
Stanislawow/Ivano-Frankivsk (to be known as "SIF"), Ukraine, under the
auspices of Gesher Galicia. I have volunteered to be co-coordinator.
This group will encompass SIF and towns within a ten mile radius. If
anyone knows if this creates an overlap with any other research groups or
SIGs, please let me know.

Susannah Juni has started to develop a web page for this city
( www.jewishgen.org/shtetlinks/juni ). Please have a look! We are looking
for volunteers with HTML experience and scanners to help Susannah, as she
has limitations on her time. We also welcome more co-coordinators!

I am new at this, and would appreciate all ideas regarding objectives of
the group, projects, research, sources of information, books, anything and
everything! Mainly, I think we should start with sharing information we
already have, what research projects you have undertaken, and putting this
information on the web site, along with photos, documents, etc.

I am looking forward to hearing >from all of you who have an interest in
joining this group! To those who have already contacted me, I will be
sending you a questionnaire within the next couple of days.

Please note I have changed e-mail addresses. I was at "Famaz@..." and
now am at "Famaz@...".

Thank you.
Sincerely,

Denise Azbill
Searching:
WEIDENFELD, ZWIRNBAUM, GLICKMAN, BLEIMAN, GOLDSACH, KATZ, ZUCKERMAN


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen New research group! Stanislawow-Ivano Frankivsk #general

Denise Azbill <famaz@...>
 

Dear Genners,

I am excited to announce the formation of a new research group for
Stanislawow/Ivano-Frankivsk (to be known as "SIF"), Ukraine, under the
auspices of Gesher Galicia. I have volunteered to be co-coordinator.
This group will encompass SIF and towns within a ten mile radius. If
anyone knows if this creates an overlap with any other research groups or
SIGs, please let me know.

Susannah Juni has started to develop a web page for this city
( www.jewishgen.org/shtetlinks/juni ). Please have a look! We are looking
for volunteers with HTML experience and scanners to help Susannah, as she
has limitations on her time. We also welcome more co-coordinators!

I am new at this, and would appreciate all ideas regarding objectives of
the group, projects, research, sources of information, books, anything and
everything! Mainly, I think we should start with sharing information we
already have, what research projects you have undertaken, and putting this
information on the web site, along with photos, documents, etc.

I am looking forward to hearing >from all of you who have an interest in
joining this group! To those who have already contacted me, I will be
sending you a questionnaire within the next couple of days.

Please note I have changed e-mail addresses. I was at "Famaz@..." and
now am at "Famaz@...".

Thank you.
Sincerely,

Denise Azbill
Searching:
WEIDENFELD, ZWIRNBAUM, GLICKMAN, BLEIMAN, GOLDSACH, KATZ, ZUCKERMAN


Re: Comment on the new JewishGen Family Finder Policy #poland

Stanley Diamond
 

Dear friends:

JRI-Poland has recently carried a posting >from JewishGen announcing
a variety of new options for listing your name and address in the Family
Finder.

While we support the JewishGen decision to offer researchers a full
privacy option, we do urge you to give careful thought in weighing
the balance between anonymity and fuller accessibility.

In our own research, when we have been excited by the possibility of
a new family connection, in some cases the first thing we have done
is reached out to call the people listed in the Family Finder because
their address was part of the listing.

In this era of electronic contact, we sometimes forget that phone
calls are often a stimulating and rewarding part of our research.
The warmth and shared excitement of a voice connection is hard to
match even with the most carefully crafted email message or letter.
That is why we are choosing to continue to include our addresses
in our Family Finder listings.

Judy Baston and Stanley Diamond


JRI Poland #Poland Re: Comment on the new JewishGen Family Finder Policy #poland

Stanley Diamond
 

Dear friends:

JRI-Poland has recently carried a posting >from JewishGen announcing
a variety of new options for listing your name and address in the Family
Finder.

While we support the JewishGen decision to offer researchers a full
privacy option, we do urge you to give careful thought in weighing
the balance between anonymity and fuller accessibility.

In our own research, when we have been excited by the possibility of
a new family connection, in some cases the first thing we have done
is reached out to call the people listed in the Family Finder because
their address was part of the listing.

In this era of electronic contact, we sometimes forget that phone
calls are often a stimulating and rewarding part of our research.
The warmth and shared excitement of a voice connection is hard to
match even with the most carefully crafted email message or letter.
That is why we are choosing to continue to include our addresses
in our Family Finder listings.

Judy Baston and Stanley Diamond