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The site reviews nine books and gives their possible call #s. The books are:

1.1920 Diary, by Isaac Babel.
2.Holocaust Memoirs: Jews in the Lwow Ghetto, the Janowski Concentration Camp
and Deportees in Siberia , by Joachim Schoenfeld.
3.The Jewish Tavern-Keeper and his Tavern in Nineteenth-Century Polish
Literature, byMagdalena Opalski.
4.The Jews of Barnow, by Karl Emil Franzos.
5.The Lesser of Two Evils: Eastern European Jewry Under Soviet Rule,
1939-1941, by Dov Levin.
6.A Light for Others and Other Jewish Tales >from Galicia, by Leopold von
Sacher-Masoch.
7.Nationbuilding and the Politics of Nationalism: Essays on Austrian Galicia,
Andrei S. Markovits and Frank E. Sysyn, eds.
8.Ruth's Journey, Ruth Glasberg Gold
9.Shtetl Memoirs: Jewish Life in Galicia under the Austro-Hungarian Empire and
in the Reborn Poland 1898-1939, by Joachim Schoenfeld.

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A previous message gave an incorrect message for this very handy site. The
Correct URL is:
<http://shangrila.cs.ucdavis.edu:1234/heckman/gorodenka/books.html>http://s
hangrila.cs.ucdavis.edu:1234/heckman/gorodenka/books.html

The site reviews nine books and gives their possible call #s. The books are:

1.1920 Diary, by Isaac Babel.
2.Holocaust Memoirs: Jews in the Lwow Ghetto, the Janowski Concentration Camp
and Deportees in Siberia , by Joachim Schoenfeld.
3.The Jewish Tavern-Keeper and his Tavern in Nineteenth-Century Polish
Literature, byMagdalena Opalski.
4.The Jews of Barnow, by Karl Emil Franzos.
5.The Lesser of Two Evils: Eastern European Jewry Under Soviet Rule,
1939-1941, by Dov Levin.
6.A Light for Others and Other Jewish Tales >from Galicia, by Leopold von
Sacher-Masoch.
7.Nationbuilding and the Politics of Nationalism: Essays on Austrian Galicia,
Andrei S. Markovits and Frank E. Sysyn, eds.
8.Ruth's Journey, Ruth Glasberg Gold
9.Shtetl Memoirs: Jewish Life in Galicia under the Austro-Hungarian Empire and
in the Reborn Poland 1898-1939, by Joachim Schoenfeld.

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Beverly and ALL,

Bobrka any several other Galician towns (eighty, if remeber correctly) old
records are definitely located in Warsaw Archives. Those Archives known as
"Archiwum Zabuzanskie" (Over the River Bug).
Those are at least 100 yers old dcumenta are transfered to historical
Archives - it appears that historical documents should include records till
end of the 19th century. "Newest" documents are archived in the 'regular'
depository .

Address in Warsaw:

Urzad Stanu Cywilnego
ul. Jezuicka 1/3
00-950 Warszawa, POLAND

Alexander Sharon
mailto: a.sharon@...

From: "Beverly" <bev7@...>

My father was born in Bobrka, and when his family emigrated >from there in
1920, he was issued a document in lieu of a birth certificate which
certified his birth and stated that city hall (and all the records there)
was burned down in WWI. I know that there are a FEW Bobrka birth records
(1870s, I think) in Warsaw.

I do not know about tax rolls or census records, but would be happy to

hear

if anyone else does know.
-----------------

I was informed that all vital records >from the Bobrka district were
destroyed in a fire during the 1920's. Is this true? If it is true,

would

there be any reason to believe other copies exist somewhere else
such as Warsaw or Lviv?

Even if the vital records are no longer available, is it possible

that

tax records, census records, etc. are available?

Beverly and ALL,

Bobrka any several other Galician towns (eighty, if remeber correctly) old
records are definitely located in Warsaw Archives. Those Archives known as
"Archiwum Zabuzanskie" (Over the River Bug).
Those are at least 100 yers old dcumenta are transfered to historical
Archives - it appears that historical documents should include records till
end of the 19th century. "Newest" documents are archived in the 'regular'
depository .

Address in Warsaw:

Urzad Stanu Cywilnego
ul. Jezuicka 1/3
00-950 Warszawa, POLAND

Alexander Sharon
mailto: a.sharon@...

From: "Beverly" <bev7@...>

My father was born in Bobrka, and when his family emigrated >from there in
1920, he was issued a document in lieu of a birth certificate which
certified his birth and stated that city hall (and all the records there)
was burned down in WWI. I know that there are a FEW Bobrka birth records
(1870s, I think) in Warsaw.

I do not know about tax rolls or census records, but would be happy to

hear

if anyone else does know.
-----------------

I was informed that all vital records >from the Bobrka district were
destroyed in a fire during the 1920's. Is this true? If it is true,

would

there be any reason to believe other copies exist somewhere else
such as Warsaw or Lviv?

Even if the vital records are no longer available, is it possible

that

tax records, census records, etc. are available?

My grandfather (Hauser) and grandmother (Fuchs) were married in
Alfredowka on 8/18/1896. I would like to get a copy of their marriage
certificate but beside that I was wondering about the exact location of
Alfredowka. I have a feeling it is or was a small town just outside of
Tarnobrzeg where my grandfather and father were born. The coordinates
are almost identical, Alfredowka....5028-2145, Tarnobrzeg....5035-2141.

Your help would be appreciated.

Arnold D. Hauser......Researching - HAUSER, Krakow and Tarnobrzeg

My grandfather (Hauser) and grandmother (Fuchs) were married in
Alfredowka on 8/18/1896. I would like to get a copy of their marriage
certificate but beside that I was wondering about the exact location of
Alfredowka. I have a feeling it is or was a small town just outside of
Tarnobrzeg where my grandfather and father were born. The coordinates
are almost identical, Alfredowka....5028-2145, Tarnobrzeg....5035-2141.

Your help would be appreciated.

Arnold D. Hauser......Researching - HAUSER, Krakow and Tarnobrzeg

Hello! I am posting this for a friend. Nathan GOLDSTEIN married to Roza
HERMAN. Lived in POLAND. Died in the camps. Nathan was a Dr. and Roza's
family wealthy. Possibly >from L'vov. They had 2 children: Sophie (my
friends late mother) and a son who was studying at the time abroad in Med.
school. My friend said no one, to the best of her mother's
knowledge,survived. She was wondering if her uncle did. He would be
around 80. Perhaps someone out there knows this family?

Thank-you, Irene Swedroe, IRSWED@...

Hello! I am posting this for a friend. Nathan GOLDSTEIN married to Roza
HERMAN. Lived in POLAND. Died in the camps. Nathan was a Dr. and Roza's
family wealthy. Possibly >from L'vov. They had 2 children: Sophie (my
friends late mother) and a son who was studying at the time abroad in Med.
school. My friend said no one, to the best of her mother's
knowledge,survived. She was wondering if her uncle did. He would be
around 80. Perhaps someone out there knows this family?

Thank-you, Irene Swedroe, IRSWED@...

Hello all. I'm not sure if this is the greatest place to post this, but my
cousin and I are in disagreement of our Jewish ancestory. Our paternal
grandparents were born in the Ukraine (1880's to 1903) Our great great
grandparents were more than likely among the Prussian/German immigrants
that came into the Ukraine area late 1700. The surname that has been in
our family is TRUPP.

My cousin has a theory that because:
A. This name is German
B. Most of the Trupp's we have come in contact with are not Jewish
C. We can not find any of our relatives listed as victims of the Holocaust
D. The valet that was murdered along with the Tzar and his family was Alexi
Trupp. My cousin believes that this man could not have been Jewish and
working closely with the Tzar.

....Because of these things, he reasons that the family that came from
Germany/Prussia to the Ukraine was not Jewish. When faced with the dissmal
situation in the Ukraine, the family became desperate to leave the country.
The only way they were able to do so was to convert to Judaism (as Jews
were being pushed away)

I disagree with this totally. I can not believe that people >from that
culture/religion would convert to Judaism

As far as I know, my great grandfather born in 1840 was raised a Jew and
the family has always been Jewish.

Opinions?
Thank you!
Mirta Trupp Dreiman

Hello all. I'm not sure if this is the greatest place to post this, but my
cousin and I are in disagreement of our Jewish ancestory. Our paternal
grandparents were born in the Ukraine (1880's to 1903) Our great great
grandparents were more than likely among the Prussian/German immigrants
that came into the Ukraine area late 1700. The surname that has been in
our family is TRUPP.

My cousin has a theory that because:
A. This name is German
B. Most of the Trupp's we have come in contact with are not Jewish
C. We can not find any of our relatives listed as victims of the Holocaust
D. The valet that was murdered along with the Tzar and his family was Alexi
Trupp. My cousin believes that this man could not have been Jewish and
working closely with the Tzar.

....Because of these things, he reasons that the family that came from
Germany/Prussia to the Ukraine was not Jewish. When faced with the dissmal
situation in the Ukraine, the family became desperate to leave the country.
The only way they were able to do so was to convert to Judaism (as Jews
were being pushed away)

I disagree with this totally. I can not believe that people >from that
culture/religion would convert to Judaism

As far as I know, my great grandfather born in 1840 was raised a Jew and
the family has always been Jewish.

Opinions?
Thank you!
Mirta Trupp Dreiman

I Just received the SS application for Anna BROWDY. I had been told that
she and her husband Mendel were somehow related to my husband's
EISENBERGS / PERLEMANS. How we weren't sure. I now think that her father
Morris and our David were brothers. This is what we just found out:

The paper informs us that Anna BROWDY was the daughter of Jeanette
PELTONOVICH and Morris EISENBERG.

Anna's daughters names: Jeanette and Sylvia.
She listed her address c/o KISS in New Milford, NJ

Does this sound familiar to anyone?

TIA, Irene Swedroe, Ca. IRSWED@...

Does anyone have any of these names in their family?

TIA, Irene Swedroe, Ca. IRSWED@...

I Just received the SS application for Anna BROWDY. I had been told that
she and her husband Mendel were somehow related to my husband's
EISENBERGS / PERLEMANS. How we weren't sure. I now think that her father
Morris and our David were brothers. This is what we just found out:

The paper informs us that Anna BROWDY was the daughter of Jeanette
PELTONOVICH and Morris EISENBERG.

Anna's daughters names: Jeanette and Sylvia.
She listed her address c/o KISS in New Milford, NJ

Does this sound familiar to anyone?

TIA, Irene Swedroe, Ca. IRSWED@...

Does anyone have any of these names in their family?

TIA, Irene Swedroe, Ca. IRSWED@...

I checked the California death records recently put on line for
my grandfather who died in 1939 in Santa Monica, CA. There is
no listing. Is this because he was not a resident but just
visiting? I have a copy of his California death certificate.

Paul Silverstone
New York
reply to: paulh@...

I checked the California death records recently put on line for
my grandfather who died in 1939 in Santa Monica, CA. There is
no listing. Is this because he was not a resident but just
visiting? I have a copy of his California death certificate.

Paul Silverstone
New York
reply to: paulh@...

Recently, Anita Citron <anitac1@...> asked:

Would/could the child of a second wife be named after a dead first

wife??? >>

In my husband's family the second wife was the sister of the first and
the first child of that marriage was named after the first wife.
Since it was not that uncommon to marry a sibling of the deceased
spouse I don't think finding a child named after the first spouse
would be that unusual.

Barbara Leckstein
Little Silver, New Jersey
bleckstein@...

Recently, Anita Citron <anitac1@...> asked:

Would/could the child of a second wife be named after a dead first

wife??? >>

In my husband's family the second wife was the sister of the first and
the first child of that marriage was named after the first wife.
Since it was not that uncommon to marry a sibling of the deceased
spouse I don't think finding a child named after the first spouse
would be that unusual.

Barbara Leckstein
Little Silver, New Jersey
bleckstein@...

On6/1/00 11:49 AM, Adele at adele@... wrote

If a girl's maternal grandmother is Jewish, married to a Christian, her
mother raised without religion, but certainly not as a Jew, can the girl
(grandaughter) be Jewish? The girl is engaged to a Jewish boy.

I believe that if the mother is Jewish, the daughter is also. Rabbi Lewis,
when he was at Touro Synagogue in Newport, accepted my daughter, whose
father was born Catholic, as a student in religious school. A friend of
hers, whose mother was not Jewish, was not acceptable to Rabbi Lewis, who
was a wonderful Irishman in charge of a Sephardic synagogue. It turns out,
however, that my husband's family were probably conversos anyway.

Barbara Franchi (bf@...)
Researching: PASSEL, GAN (Bobrka, Ukr) FRANK (Kis Varda, Hungary) GOODMAN,
NEWMAN (Novosad, Slovakia) FRANCHI, IACOPPI (Parma, Piacenza, Italy)

On6/1/00 11:49 AM, Adele at adele@... wrote

If a girl's maternal grandmother is Jewish, married to a Christian, her
mother raised without religion, but certainly not as a Jew, can the girl
(grandaughter) be Jewish? The girl is engaged to a Jewish boy.

I believe that if the mother is Jewish, the daughter is also. Rabbi Lewis,
when he was at Touro Synagogue in Newport, accepted my daughter, whose
father was born Catholic, as a student in religious school. A friend of
hers, whose mother was not Jewish, was not acceptable to Rabbi Lewis, who
was a wonderful Irishman in charge of a Sephardic synagogue. It turns out,
however, that my husband's family were probably conversos anyway.

Barbara Franchi (bf@...)
Researching: PASSEL, GAN (Bobrka, Ukr) FRANK (Kis Varda, Hungary) GOODMAN,
NEWMAN (Novosad, Slovakia) FRANCHI, IACOPPI (Parma, Piacenza, Italy)