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Re: Gravestone Translation #translation

Odeda Zlotnick
 



To  Andras Alvincz: I had to search the messages  for your name in order to find what you're asking about!  A response from you to your original question, or a link would have made it much easier.

The link to your question can be found on it :


Gravestone translation (jewishgen.org)

The answer to your present question:
In Jewish tradition, a person's name is based on his / her give name, and the father's given name.  And that's what you will find on traditional gravestones.
There is no specific relationship between a father's name and the secular surname - secular surnames were forced on Jews by the secular authorities, and had nothing to do with the father's name. 

This is quite unlike what you will find in Slavic naming traditions, where the father's surname becomes part of a persons name, with a suffix.

The Hungarian Haász, the Americanized spelling Haas is no way related to "Dov Ber", the father's name.

--
Odeda Zlotnick
Jerusalem, Israel.


Re: translation of russian and hebrew names on a petition of jewish farmers in the US to the Baron de Hirsch Fund. #translation #usa #names

Odeda Zlotnick
 

Hi Steve, 
The pencil isn't as bad as it may seem.
However, it would be better to have the transcriptions attempted by more than one person - a case of four or more eyes being better than two (spectacles not included). JewishGen's Veiewmate platform it excellent for that purpose. I realize it doesn't upload pdf's but you can convert pdf's to images Viewmate does accept.  After the conversion, you can load the separate pages.

In this case, where each name in a different handwriting, so one can't "learn" a person's handwriting,  it's ever more important to have more than one person attempt the same text.

Some random names, from the Hebrew:
Shlomo Goldberg
Yistkhak K-sohn
Yaakov Kalmansohn
Shlom Segal
Eliezer Tabachnik
Yaakov Feldman
Abrhahm Fein [English letters]
----  Fisher
Louis (Lewis) Adler
Notte Bergenfeld 
Mordechai Goldberg
Morris Horwitz [English letters]
Shmuel Tzetler [Tsetler, Zetler]
Tzvi Weissberg
Gershon Cohen.

--
Odeda Zlotnick
Jerusalem, Israel.


Re: translation of russian and hebrew names on a petition of jewish farmers in the US to the Baron de Hirsch Fund. #translation #usa #names

Odeda Zlotnick
 

Oh, and just before closing the file, I saw a 

David Gordon.
--
Odeda Zlotnick
Jerusalem, Israel.


Re: translation from Ottoman or Hebrew? #translation

Leon Taranto
 

It looks like Solitreo, the Judeo-Spanish or Ladino script used by the Sephardim of the Ottoman Empire, at least those who lived in what is today Turkey and Greece, and probably also Macedonia, Bosnia, Bulgaria, Serbia.

Leon Taranto


Alice Moss (Hopper) #unitedkingdom

joe hornung
 

Hello,
             I had a cousin Alice Moss, when I was growing up in Detroit. She was born in the UK around 1897. I always wondered if the name Moss was shortened from Moszkowiz, which was my maternal grandmother's name. Alice's married name was Hopper, and she had two children, Zelma and Tillie.  I have reached out to Tillie's children with no success.  I really want to know who we were related to Alice Moss, (Hopper). Thank you.

Josef Hornung


Re: Leaving Vienna with property 1938 #austria-czech #general

Yohanan
 

I warmly recommend that you -and others interested - will read the book "Good Living Street" by Tim Bonyhady, a must read book for all of us with Wieniese roots. 
Exactly about emigrating from Wien with household furnitures and treasures during 1938.
--
Yohanan LOEFFLER
Melbourne, Australia

Researching (main surnames):
From Austria, Slovakia: LOFFLER / LEFLER, LEDERER, SCHNEIDER, NATHAN, SEELENFRIED, ZAPPERT.
From Bukowina, Galicia: MINSTER / MUNSTER, NAGEL, SCHERL, IWANIR.
From Poland / Belarus: ALTMAN, KAMINSKY, KAMINKIER, LUBETKIN, SZTARK, YOSELEWICZ, KOSLOWSKI, KRAMARZ, RAUCHFELD.


trying to find a possible family member in Haifa #israel

joe hornung
 

Hello,

         I am trying to find a woman I visited a number of times in Haifa,Israel in the 1970s.  Her name was Miriam Zelidowski. Her parents were Sara and Avram.   I think that her mother Sara was with my mother in Ravensbruck, but I cannot prove it.  I think maybe Miriam has married. Thank you for any assistance.

Josef Hornung


Re: Trying to locate a family in Israel #israel

Pieter Hoekstra
 

On Fri, Nov 5, 2021 at 10:38 AM, hymiereich wrote:
Hymie, have you searched the Israel phone book?
http://www.israelpb.com/Ajzenberg+/city/Tel+Aviv+-+Yafo
 
--
Pieter Hoekstra 
Moss / Moses, De Costa - London and Brighton
Barnett, Da Costa, Lazarus, Joseph, Judah, Solomon - London


Re: looking for descendants of Beno Herer in Russia

gentlegrendel@...
 

Hi Marilyn,

My name is James Herer and I've been working on my geneaolgy in spurts for the past few years. I have found evidence of a Beno Herer from the history of the Jews of Bukowina. This is all I've found thus far:

 

"In 1918, a Zionist organization came into existence in Rus-Banila. Its founders were Israel Sattinger (died in Israel), Hermann Neumeier (both were mentioned in the Golden Book of the K.K.L . for their services), also Hermann Bildner the estate owner in the nearby village of Millie who together with his brother-in-law Benno Herer was deported to Siberia by the Russians. Both perished there."
https://www.jewishgen.org/yizkor/bukowinabook/buk2_097a.html

Please feel free to reach out - I always love to get to know my extended family. Perhaps we can together connect some of the missing pieces of our family history.

 

With love,
James Herer of the Radautz Herer family.


Gravestone Translation #translation

András Alvincz
 

Dear answer writers!
Thank you everyone.
How is the father's name related to the Haász surname?
Andras Alvincz


Re: Matilda Schoenwirth Grinberger and Izidor Schoenwirth #hungary #holocaust

Friedman116@...
 

Hello, 

Csicser and Nagygejoc were part of former Ung megye. Archival records available from 1880s. 
Mr. Huber Béla from Ungvár did for me a great research in the state archive. Recommend you to contact him. He is also listed on jewishgen researcher list. 
His email huberbelay@...

Good luck and all the best, 
Shabbat shalom, 

Mark  Friedman 


Re: HOSCHANDER family of Michalovce, Slovakia #austria-czech

Sherri Bobish
 

AJ,

Check with your local public library to see if they have an Ancestry subscription.

Ancestry has been allowing at home access through public libraries with subscriptions since Covid.  The last announcement that I heard was that this access will remain through the end of 2021.

Normally one must use the library's computers on-site.

Regards,

Sherri Bobish

Searching: RATOWSKY / CHAIMSON (Ariogala / Ragola, Lith.)
WALTZMAN / WALZMAN (Ustrzyki Dolne / Istryker, Pol.)
LEVY (Tyrawa Woloska, Pol.)
LEFFENFELD / LEFENFELD / FINK, KALTER (Daliowa/ Posada Jasliska, Pol.)
BOJDA / BERGER (Tarnobrzeg, Pol.)
SOKALSKY / SOLON / SOLAN / FINGER(MAN) (Grodek, Bialystok, Pol.)
BOBISH / APPEL (Odessa?)


Re: Ramygala #lithuania

Sherri Bobish
 

Isaac,

For info on Ramygala you can search in the JewishGen databases.  You may find 19th century revision lists, and other records.
https://www.jewishgen.org/databases/

You may want to start your search in the Unified Search:
https://www.jewishgen.org/databases/all/

You can put Ramygala in the town search field (exact search) and the surname you are searching in the surname field.  I suggest a phonetic or soundex search on the surname as names get spelled various ways in the old records.

Further info on the town:
https://www.jewishgen.org/Communities/community.php?usbgn=-2618376

Translation of the “Ramygala” chapter from Pinkas Hakehillot Lita:
https://www.jewishgen.org/yizkor/pinkas_lita/lit_00640.html

Good luck in your search,

Sherri Bobish

Searching: RATOWSKY / CHAIMSON (Ariogala / Ragola, Lith.)
WALTZMAN / WALZMAN (Ustrzyki Dolne / Istryker, Pol.)
LEVY (Tyrawa Woloska, Pol.)
LEFFENFELD / LEFENFELD / FINK, KALTER (Daliowa/ Posada Jasliska, Pol.)
BOJDA / BERGER (Tarnobrzeg, Pol.)
SOKALSKY / SOLON / SOLAN / FINGER(MAN) (Grodek, Bialystok, Pol.)
BOBISH / APPEL (Odessa?)


translation from Ottoman or Hebrew? #translation

mzcukier@...
 

Hi, 
I found some pictures of my father from when he was a young boy in Poland.  Many of them had Polish writing on the back that I was able to get translated.  The only one that we cannot understand is attached.  I was told it might be Turkish or Romanian.  I sent it to a friend in Turkey and she did some checking with some of her multilingual friends, it is not Turkish, Romanian, Arabic, Greek, Persian or Russian.  They are thinking either Hebrew or an old Ottoman language. 

If anyone can read / translate the caption it would be greatly appreciated. 

Many thanks!

Mike Cukier


Re: Ramygala #lithuania

Michele Lock
 

There is a site that catalogues Jewish cemeteries in Lithuania. They may be able to answer your questions on this subject.
http://www.litvak-cemetery.info/database
--
Michele Lock

Lak/Lok/Liak/Lock and Kalon/Kolon in Zagare/Joniskis/Gruzdziai, Lithuania
Lak/Lok/Liak/Lock in Plunge/Telsiai in Lithuania
Rabinowitz in Papile, Lithuania and Riga, Latvia
Trisinsky/Trushinsky/Sturisky and Leybman in Dotnuva, Lithuania
Olitsky in Alytus, Suwalki, Poland/Lithuania
Gutman/Goodman in Czestochowa, Poland
Lavine/Lev/Lew in Trenton, New Jersey and Lida/Vilna gub., Belarus


Re: Naming oldest daughter of second marriage after deceased first wife #lithuania #names

Michele Lock
 

Thanks for all the replies, both private and public.

Someone asked if it was possible that in both cases of mine, that the two wives were related. In the first case of Chaja Rabinovitch Kalon and the second wife Ester Nor Kalon - these women were not related, and they grew up in towns at least 40 miles apart.

In the other case of the two Malkas - Very little is known of the first wife Malka Lock, other than her first name. The second wife was Miriam Kalon Lock, my great grandmother. Family lore is that Malka and Miriam were sisters, or possibly aunt/niece. However, Ancestry DNA results show that my half second cousins (two great grandsons of Malka Lock) are not even distant DNA matches to my Kalon relatives. So, I think that in this case, the two wives Malka and Miriam were not closely related. 
--
Michele Lock

Lak/Lok/Liak/Lock and Kalon/Kolon in Zagare/Joniskis/Gruzdziai, Lithuania
Lak/Lok/Liak/Lock in Plunge/Telsiai in Lithuania
Rabinowitz in Papile, Lithuania and Riga, Latvia
Trisinsky/Trushinsky/Sturisky and Leybman in Dotnuva, Lithuania
Olitsky in Alytus, Suwalki, Poland/Lithuania
Gutman/Goodman in Czestochowa, Poland
Lavine/Lev/Lew in Trenton, New Jersey and Lida/Vilna gub., Belarus


translation of russian and hebrew names on a petition of jewish farmers in the US to the Baron de Hirsch Fund. #translation #usa #names

diamondesllc@...
 

In 1890, the Agudoth Ovde Adomo Ansche Russia (Jewish Association of Russian Farmworkers in Mew York City) sent a petition of over 100 names to the Baron de Hirsch Fund asking the Fund to provide the farmers with farmland.  One year later the Baron de Hirsch Fund founded the Jewish Agricultural Colony in Woodbine, NJ.  I have been conducting considerable research to determine how, and to what criteria, the Fund selected the original set of 50 to 60 families (which included my own family) to settle in Woodbine.  Based on the petition, I am now wondering if the Fund used the list to help establish the early population of the Colony as opposed to scouring the streets of New York City and Philadelphia for volunteers.  

In order to determine if this is the case, I want to compare the names on the petition with the names on the 1895 NJ census in Woodbine as well as the names on the real estate records in the Cape May County archives.  The only problem is that the names on the petition are in Hebrew and Russion and the names on the census are in English.  I am therefore asking for some assistance in translating the petition names into English.  To make matters more challenging, the names were originally written in pencil and are badly faded.  I apologize for this.  

Thanks for your help.

Steve  Diamond
New York City
diamondesllc@... 


Jewish Genealogy of Egypt #announcements #sephardic

contact@...
 

For over a hundred year there was a Jewish cultural flowering in Egypt,
followed by the exiling of the community. Yves Fedida is the expert and
tireless campaigner for Jewish heritage of Egypt. In looking at the
community's genealogy, he will discuss its structure, including the
nationalities held by members and their socio-economic situation. Much of
the Egyptian Jewish archives have been removed to the Egyptian national
archives where it is inaccessible to most researchers. Yves will discuss
available genealogical sources. Finally, he will discuss what is in the
communal archives which we hope the Egyptian Government will choose to open
at some point.

Yves Fedida was born in Alexandria in 1945. His grandparents came to Egypt
from Palestine. The family was expelled in1956 after the Suez Crisis. Yves
later settled in France. He worked in a non-ferrous international trading
company and then as president of a fittings factory. In retirement, he lives
between the south of France, Israel, and the UK. In 2002 he co-founded of
the Association Internationale Nebi Daniel for the preservation of Jewish
heritage in Egypt. He has travelled extensively to Egypt, lobbying the
Egyptian authorities through various channels mainly on the matter of Jewish
communal registers. He was able to inventory the Torah scrolls of Cairo. The
association cemented footpaths in a cemetery and carried out major cleaning
work in three of them. It lobbied for the restauration of the great
Alexandria Synagogue where they managed to organise a Hanukat Habayit
('housewarming') with 180 people from all over the world. Yves manages the
Nebi Daniel website, the Heritage of Jews in Egypt Facebook page and the
Preservation of the Heritage of the Jews from Egypt YouTube channel.

The meeting is on 7 November 2021 at 11am in LA, 2pm NYC, 7pm London, 8pm
Paris/Amsterdam, and 9pm Jerusalem. Patrons can join us on Zoom. Everyone is
invited to join us for free at:
https://www.youtube.com/SephardicGenealogyAndHistory/ Please subscribe to
the YouTube channel. It helps us a lot and reminds you when we are going
live!

For news of future events, you can subscribe to the free Sephardic World
mailing list at https://mailchi.mp/sephardicgenealogy/ars1w3v45e

Best wishes,

David Mendoza and Ton Tielen
Sephardic World


New Online Exhibit of Manchester's (UK) Vanished Jewish Spaces and Places #announcements #photographs #unitedkingdom

Jan Meisels Allen
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Manchester is the United Kingdom’s second largest Jewish center after London.  Jewish Heritage Europe posted abput a new and online resource tracing the history of Jewish life and geography  in that city (https://jewish-heritage-europe.eu/2021/11/05/uk-manchesters-vanish/).

The exhibit is “Vanished Streets” (https://phm.org.uk/exhibitions/vanished-streets-an-exhibition-of-photographs-of-lost-jewish-manchester-from-the-1970s-by-shloimy-alman/) which runs from October 20 through January 16 at the People’s History Museum (https://phm.org.uk/visit/).

It includes photographs of lost Jewish Manchester from the late 1970s by Manchestr-born Shlomy Alman.

 

In 1978, Shloimy immigrated to Israel, and his photographs of Jewish Manchester and London remained in a locked cupboard at his home until May 2019 when writer and oral historian Rachel Lichtenstein visited him and scanned the images. Shloimy’s photographs of Jewish London (https://blog.nli.org.il/en/vanished_streets/_  were shown to great acclaim in 2019 in London. Shloimy’s photographs of lost Jewish Manchester have never been publicly seen before.

 

To see the memory map go to: https://jewishmanchestermemorymap.org it includes interviews, photographs, and essays about a variety of sites that repeatedly appear in people’s recollections of Jewish Manchester — including schools and synagogues, street markets and cafes, cinemas and theatres, youth clubs and shops, as well as other places.

 

The Memory Map of Jewish Manchester […] maps the history, stories and memories of the Jewish community who once lived in the Cheetham Hill, Strangeways and Hightown areas of Manchester. This digital map aims to create a lasting document of the living memory of Manchester Jewry in this area.

Individual sites (some of which no longer exist) are located on the map and can be accessed by clicking on them.  They can be searched and also viewed according to several color coded themes — Shops and Commerce; Education; Community and Entertainment; Streets; and Religion.

 

This project was funded by the Jewish Historical Society of England and the History Research Centre of Manchester Metropolitan University, with support in kind from the Manchester Jewish Museum, which gave permission to use oral history and photographic material from its collections.

 

Jan Meisels Allen

Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee

 


Steinkol or Birness family-new York #usa

Dalya Rubin
 

My boyfriend, Richard Patrych, and I are trying to research his family to confirm his Jewish status. He was adopted by a Jewish family at 8 years old, but his birth mother was also adopted as a kid. His mom and dad have passed since. Always believed to be Jewish, but now realized that since everyone was adopted it is questionable.
 
We have many reasons to believe that his grandmother was Pearl Steinkol, from Ellenville, New York. Pearl had 4 kids who we know of that were all put up for adoption at various points, back in the 1950-1960s. We believe that Richard's mother was a fifth child, the first born. We're pretty sure the father's last name was Birness, but don't have confirmation. 
 
We'd love to post this and see if anyone knew Pearl Steinkol growing up or potentially delivered her children and knew of a daughter named Audrey who was then put up for adoption. Audrey is Richard's birth mom whom we're trying to determine if she was Pearl's child. 
 
We're in contact with the other kids but they didn't know about Audrey growing up. She would have been born 2 years before any of the other kids were born. 
 
If anyone has any leads, please reach out! Thank you. 

Dalya Rubin
 

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