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Old Jewish cemetery in Kaminka near Satanov #galicia

Abraham J Heschel <binmoses@...>
 

I am currently trying to find the grave of my GGF R' Avrohom Yehoshua
HESCHEL of Medzibush, who died in the city/village of Kaminka in 1881.
Though there are more than forty Kaminkas in the Ukraine, I have
ascertained it (partially through JewishGen ShtetlSeeker) to most probably
be just outside Satanov.

If anyone has any information or ideas how to get information about a
cemetery in this area, it would greatly appreciated.

Abraham J. Heschel
<binmoses@...>


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Old Jewish cemetery in Kaminka near Satanov #galicia

Abraham J Heschel <binmoses@...>
 

I am currently trying to find the grave of my GGF R' Avrohom Yehoshua
HESCHEL of Medzibush, who died in the city/village of Kaminka in 1881.
Though there are more than forty Kaminkas in the Ukraine, I have
ascertained it (partially through JewishGen ShtetlSeeker) to most probably
be just outside Satanov.

If anyone has any information or ideas how to get information about a
cemetery in this area, it would greatly appreciated.

Abraham J. Heschel
<binmoses@...>


Re: Galicia SIG Discussion Group #galicia

HeshieT
 

In a message dated 05/23/2000, Shelley Pollero writes:

<< Thank you for participating in the Galicia SIG Discussion Group. We
look forward to hearing >from you.>>


Dear Shelley:

So sorry to see that you needed to post your message. Whoever complained
obviously has no understanding of all the time and effort you people must
put in to do this VOLUNTEER work. I extend my congratulations on a job well done.

Sincerely,
Hesh
Harold W. Traub, JGSPBC
8936 Old Pine Rd
Boca Raton, FL 33433-3151
Phone & FAX 561-487-6679
Email HeshieT@...
Researching: TRAUB, KATZ, Utena, Lith. BAREL, MOSKOWITZ, Galicia
ZURLIN, MARGOLIS, Genitchesk, HEYMOWSKY, Melitopol, Ukraine,
STEINBERG, (STEINBRUCH), BOMBACK, GROSSBERG, Lviv & Zloczow, Galicia
WITTMAN, Rozwadow, Galicia


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Re: Galicia SIG Discussion Group #galicia

HeshieT
 

In a message dated 05/23/2000, Shelley Pollero writes:

<< Thank you for participating in the Galicia SIG Discussion Group. We
look forward to hearing >from you.>>


Dear Shelley:

So sorry to see that you needed to post your message. Whoever complained
obviously has no understanding of all the time and effort you people must
put in to do this VOLUNTEER work. I extend my congratulations on a job well done.

Sincerely,
Hesh
Harold W. Traub, JGSPBC
8936 Old Pine Rd
Boca Raton, FL 33433-3151
Phone & FAX 561-487-6679
Email HeshieT@...
Researching: TRAUB, KATZ, Utena, Lith. BAREL, MOSKOWITZ, Galicia
ZURLIN, MARGOLIS, Genitchesk, HEYMOWSKY, Melitopol, Ukraine,
STEINBERG, (STEINBRUCH), BOMBACK, GROSSBERG, Lviv & Zloczow, Galicia
WITTMAN, Rozwadow, Galicia


SPANDORFER/SPANDORF Drohobych - Borislav area #galicia

Stewart Levy <srlevy@...>
 

Does any one know the origins of the above name - where did it originate,
what does it mean, etc?

Thanks,

Stewart Levy
Marietta,Georgia USA
<srlevy@...>


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia SPANDORFER/SPANDORF Drohobych - Borislav area #galicia

Stewart Levy <srlevy@...>
 

Does any one know the origins of the above name - where did it originate,
what does it mean, etc?

Thanks,

Stewart Levy
Marietta,Georgia USA
<srlevy@...>


Re: Spas of Galicia #galicia

Shirley Holton <randsholton@...>
 

I have photos of my grandmother at Bad Reichenhal (now in Austria, near
Salzburg on the Bavarian border) in 1907 just as you describe: a group
photo, everyone dressed in what looks like their summer best, a sign saying
1907 and another one saying Bad Reichenhal.

Best wishes,
Robert Holton
London, England
<randsholton@...>


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Re: Spas of Galicia #galicia

Shirley Holton <randsholton@...>
 

I have photos of my grandmother at Bad Reichenhal (now in Austria, near
Salzburg on the Bavarian border) in 1907 just as you describe: a group
photo, everyone dressed in what looks like their summer best, a sign saying
1907 and another one saying Bad Reichenhal.

Best wishes,
Robert Holton
London, England
<randsholton@...>


consular records, 1920's? #belarus

Alexander Kott <alexkott@...>
 

I am looking for a source where I can find information
about a person who in 1924 went >from Pinsk or possibly
Brest/Brisk (then Poland, now Belarus) to USA for a
visit?

Would this be in some consular records of visa applications?
Or in ship arrival records?
Where can I find these?

thanks!

=====
Alexander Kott


Belarus SIG #Belarus consular records, 1920's? #belarus

Alexander Kott <alexkott@...>
 

I am looking for a source where I can find information
about a person who in 1924 went >from Pinsk or possibly
Brest/Brisk (then Poland, now Belarus) to USA for a
visit?

Would this be in some consular records of visa applications?
Or in ship arrival records?
Where can I find these?

thanks!

=====
Alexander Kott


Mogilev Society in Chicago?Attention Shapiros #belarus

HBArkoff@...
 

Can anyone tell me if there is or has been a Mogilev Society in
Chicago? Maybe also a burial group? My father, Louis ARKOFF,(born
Leib KHARKOVSKY) was born in Mogilev in 1882 and lived for a while
in Chicago (probably 1906 to 1908) and was naturalized in Chicago
in 1911. I recently learned that he was related by marriage to the
SHAPIRO family >from Mogilev. His sister Etna was married to
Yankel-Meer SHAPIRO >from Mogilev (Son of Esel SHAPIRO) and his
brother Abram was married to Chaya Ryvka SHAPIRO the daughter
of Esel SHAPIRO. Also, in Chicago my father lived at 1237 North
Leavitt Street with a Joseph and Fanny SHAPIRO, who also
witnessed his petition for citizenship. Joseph was a Pharmacist.

Is there anyone who knows of the SHAPIROs >from Chicago? Also,
assuming they were also >from Mogilev, is there or has there been
a Mogilev Society that might have further information.

I would appreciate any help.

Harold B. Arkoff
HBArkoff@...

Researching:
ARKOFF, KHARKOVSKY, SHAPIRO, SHAPIRA, FISHMAN, GETTLIN, GITLICK,
DRUKER >from Mogilev and Riga.


Belarus SIG #Belarus Mogilev Society in Chicago?Attention Shapiros #belarus

HBArkoff@...
 

Can anyone tell me if there is or has been a Mogilev Society in
Chicago? Maybe also a burial group? My father, Louis ARKOFF,(born
Leib KHARKOVSKY) was born in Mogilev in 1882 and lived for a while
in Chicago (probably 1906 to 1908) and was naturalized in Chicago
in 1911. I recently learned that he was related by marriage to the
SHAPIRO family >from Mogilev. His sister Etna was married to
Yankel-Meer SHAPIRO >from Mogilev (Son of Esel SHAPIRO) and his
brother Abram was married to Chaya Ryvka SHAPIRO the daughter
of Esel SHAPIRO. Also, in Chicago my father lived at 1237 North
Leavitt Street with a Joseph and Fanny SHAPIRO, who also
witnessed his petition for citizenship. Joseph was a Pharmacist.

Is there anyone who knows of the SHAPIROs >from Chicago? Also,
assuming they were also >from Mogilev, is there or has there been
a Mogilev Society that might have further information.

I would appreciate any help.

Harold B. Arkoff
HBArkoff@...

Researching:
ARKOFF, KHARKOVSKY, SHAPIRO, SHAPIRA, FISHMAN, GETTLIN, GITLICK,
DRUKER >from Mogilev and Riga.


Turning Genealogy Inside-Out #dna

stuart sholl <STU120@...>
 

I wouldn't be so hasty to pick on West Virginia LOL. It has nothing on
Kovna Gubernia.

When I first began doing genealogical research, one of the first things
I noticed was the extent of inbreeding among our ancestors. Marriages
between cousins, including first cousins were rather common. I remember
remarking that it's a wonder we don't all have six toes.

The extent of inbreeding (cousin marriages) makes me wonder just how
this impacts DNA testing. For example, what effect does this have on
the mutation rate?

Stu Sholl
Harrisburg, PA USA

-----Original Message-----

Gary Maher wrote
~snip
Most people probably indentify most closely with the four
surnames of their grandparents (two if you're >from West Virginia).
~snip

---------------------------
MODERATOR NOTE:
The thread on "Turning Genealogy Inside Out" is closed and replies
to Gary Maher should be sent privately. This one just passed because
of the concluding question.
---------------------------


DNA Research #DNA Turning Genealogy Inside-Out #dna

stuart sholl <STU120@...>
 

I wouldn't be so hasty to pick on West Virginia LOL. It has nothing on
Kovna Gubernia.

When I first began doing genealogical research, one of the first things
I noticed was the extent of inbreeding among our ancestors. Marriages
between cousins, including first cousins were rather common. I remember
remarking that it's a wonder we don't all have six toes.

The extent of inbreeding (cousin marriages) makes me wonder just how
this impacts DNA testing. For example, what effect does this have on
the mutation rate?

Stu Sholl
Harrisburg, PA USA

-----Original Message-----

Gary Maher wrote
~snip
Most people probably indentify most closely with the four
surnames of their grandparents (two if you're >from West Virginia).
~snip

---------------------------
MODERATOR NOTE:
The thread on "Turning Genealogy Inside Out" is closed and replies
to Gary Maher should be sent privately. This one just passed because
of the concluding question.
---------------------------


Matching family #dna

Ernest G Holzmann <eholzman@...>
 

Dear Bennett,

The on-line discussion in the past week has been interesting!

In six weeks I hope to visit my "distant cousin" Eric in Chicago. We are
from the same city in Germany (Nuremberg), went to Realgymnasium together,
and believe we KNOW how we are related to one another.

Here is the link between his and my ancestral lines:

Eric's maternal grandFATHER and my maternal GREAT-grandmother
were brother-and-sister!

Eric and I have other things in common: Our parents died years ago, we
have no sisters, but we are blessed with children, both boys and girls,

My cousin Gabriele's maternal grandparents are my
maternal grandparents... Gaby has two (BEAUTIFUL!) daughters.

In any statistical test, there is an "expected" (or "most likely")
outcome that is predictable, based on an analysis of the "population"
being tested and of the test procedure.

Suppose in our family's situation, we wanted to do the relevant tests not
only to verify relationships, but to test for mutations...

QUESTIONS
1. Can your tests verify the relation between Eric and my cousin
Gaby's daughters?
2. What would be the probability of a FALSE NEGATIVE if my ancestral
great-grandmother, instead of being the sister of Eric's maternal
grandFATHER, had been a sister of Eric's maternal grandMOTHER?

Bennett, I hope this is a valid example to illustrate how female test
planning must be carefully examined before committing to the tests
themselves...

Thank you for your patience in trying to help us understand what is
involved, and what are both the promises and the limitations of the
approach!


Ernie Holzmann
Falls Church, VA [USA]


DNA Research #DNA Matching family #dna

Ernest G Holzmann <eholzman@...>
 

Dear Bennett,

The on-line discussion in the past week has been interesting!

In six weeks I hope to visit my "distant cousin" Eric in Chicago. We are
from the same city in Germany (Nuremberg), went to Realgymnasium together,
and believe we KNOW how we are related to one another.

Here is the link between his and my ancestral lines:

Eric's maternal grandFATHER and my maternal GREAT-grandmother
were brother-and-sister!

Eric and I have other things in common: Our parents died years ago, we
have no sisters, but we are blessed with children, both boys and girls,

My cousin Gabriele's maternal grandparents are my
maternal grandparents... Gaby has two (BEAUTIFUL!) daughters.

In any statistical test, there is an "expected" (or "most likely")
outcome that is predictable, based on an analysis of the "population"
being tested and of the test procedure.

Suppose in our family's situation, we wanted to do the relevant tests not
only to verify relationships, but to test for mutations...

QUESTIONS
1. Can your tests verify the relation between Eric and my cousin
Gaby's daughters?
2. What would be the probability of a FALSE NEGATIVE if my ancestral
great-grandmother, instead of being the sister of Eric's maternal
grandFATHER, had been a sister of Eric's maternal grandMOTHER?

Bennett, I hope this is a valid example to illustrate how female test
planning must be carefully examined before committing to the tests
themselves...

Thank you for your patience in trying to help us understand what is
involved, and what are both the promises and the limitations of the
approach!


Ernie Holzmann
Falls Church, VA [USA]


Re: EPPSTEIN, HOROWITZ, Levites and DNA #dna

Bennett Greenspan <bcg@...>
 

Hi Ernie

Thanks as usual for your posting. In that i didn't hear >from you
yesterday I was concerned, although you said that you were going to
be very busy on Sunday.

FYI I have now posted a few fact sheets for you to look at, linked to:

http://www.familytreedna.com/techfaq.html

Ernst Holzman wrote:
My comment:

When Gregor refers to "seven hundred years", the meaning is clearly 700
elapsed years in historical time, counting forward >from the 14th century
C.E.

When you speak of published mutation rates of 1 movement "every 9000
years" the meaning is totally different, is it not? We are not waiting
for a clock to tick off 9000 years to get a mutation!!!
I understand what Gregor means when he says several hundred years. What I
reported is that most of the Y chromosomes used in this test are known to
show a mutation of only 1 incidence in a 500 generation time period (the
Population Geneticist says that except for the last 200 years, a
generation was 18 years, so 500*18=9,000).

That's the big benefit of using many markers versus fewer markers.
It increases the resolution an tightens the accuracy to the Most Recent
Com,mon Ancestor. If you look at Table 2 on the page listed above,
you'll see tat the 9/11 could have been a 6/6 or 4/4 if we used less
markers. Having said that, the more markers used the less of a time
frame to the 99%.

BTW, I never mentioned (until now) copulation rates, etc. We are dealing
here in live births that can beget another generation.

I suggest checking the new technical FAQ above every few days for the
next week to see what i've added. I think that many of the explanations
there will help us all understand better what we can do, and in what time
frame we are talking about.

Best to all, my fingerprints are become worn :)

Bennett Greenspan FTDNA Houston


DNA Research #DNA Re: EPPSTEIN, HOROWITZ, Levites and DNA #dna

Bennett Greenspan <bcg@...>
 

Hi Ernie

Thanks as usual for your posting. In that i didn't hear >from you
yesterday I was concerned, although you said that you were going to
be very busy on Sunday.

FYI I have now posted a few fact sheets for you to look at, linked to:

http://www.familytreedna.com/techfaq.html

Ernst Holzman wrote:
My comment:

When Gregor refers to "seven hundred years", the meaning is clearly 700
elapsed years in historical time, counting forward >from the 14th century
C.E.

When you speak of published mutation rates of 1 movement "every 9000
years" the meaning is totally different, is it not? We are not waiting
for a clock to tick off 9000 years to get a mutation!!!
I understand what Gregor means when he says several hundred years. What I
reported is that most of the Y chromosomes used in this test are known to
show a mutation of only 1 incidence in a 500 generation time period (the
Population Geneticist says that except for the last 200 years, a
generation was 18 years, so 500*18=9,000).

That's the big benefit of using many markers versus fewer markers.
It increases the resolution an tightens the accuracy to the Most Recent
Com,mon Ancestor. If you look at Table 2 on the page listed above,
you'll see tat the 9/11 could have been a 6/6 or 4/4 if we used less
markers. Having said that, the more markers used the less of a time
frame to the 99%.

BTW, I never mentioned (until now) copulation rates, etc. We are dealing
here in live births that can beget another generation.

I suggest checking the new technical FAQ above every few days for the
next week to see what i've added. I think that many of the explanations
there will help us all understand better what we can do, and in what time
frame we are talking about.

Best to all, my fingerprints are become worn :)

Bennett Greenspan FTDNA Houston


Nesvizh 1905 Real Estate Database #belarus

David M. Fox <fox@...>
 

Dear Belarus SIG Members,

I have previously posted messages about the availability of this database
that Oleg Perzashevich has developed >from source data in Bealrus. There
have been a few people on the list who said they would be interested in
contributing the $500 that Oleg wants for the data.

Today Oleg e-mailed me "The Full List on Real Estate Possessors of the
Town of Nesvizh, Slutsk District of Minsk Province, for 1905-6 (1019
entries: Jews - 57,5%, Christians - 42,5%) with the understanding that
data would not be released until the $500 was collected. I am asking Risa
Heywood to set up a line item for donating money for this database on the
Belarus SIG Jewish-Generosity Page

http://www.jewishgen.org/JewishGen-erosity/belarus.html.

It will probably be several days before the Nesvizh project appears on
the page. I hope there are enough people who are interested enough to
contribute. I compared the names on this list against the surnames being
researched in the JGFF for Nesvizh and found many matches, although the
spellings in the database of transliterated a little differently then what
is in the JGFF. For example:

Pearlman = Pyeryelman
Orens = Oryens
Levine = Lyevin
Lifshitz = Livshits
Katchenofsky = Katshanovskiy

These are but a few examples >from the database.

The following data elements are included:

Ref # 493
FAMILY NAME, NAME AND PATRONYMIC Lifshits Rubin Movshyev
ADDRESS Tsirulnitskaya st
PROPERTY DESCRIPTION stone house
ESTIMATION 300
PART OF THE TOWN Old town
RELIGION OF THE POSSESSOR Jewish

Please don't ask me for look ups because it would not be fair to Oleg.
Once the funds are collected the database will be made a part of the
All Belarus Database (ABD)

http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/belarus/

Dave

--
David M. Fox
fox@...
Belarus SIG Co-Coordinator
Arnold, MD


Belarus SIG #Belarus Nesvizh 1905 Real Estate Database #belarus

David M. Fox <fox@...>
 

Dear Belarus SIG Members,

I have previously posted messages about the availability of this database
that Oleg Perzashevich has developed >from source data in Bealrus. There
have been a few people on the list who said they would be interested in
contributing the $500 that Oleg wants for the data.

Today Oleg e-mailed me "The Full List on Real Estate Possessors of the
Town of Nesvizh, Slutsk District of Minsk Province, for 1905-6 (1019
entries: Jews - 57,5%, Christians - 42,5%) with the understanding that
data would not be released until the $500 was collected. I am asking Risa
Heywood to set up a line item for donating money for this database on the
Belarus SIG Jewish-Generosity Page

http://www.jewishgen.org/JewishGen-erosity/belarus.html.

It will probably be several days before the Nesvizh project appears on
the page. I hope there are enough people who are interested enough to
contribute. I compared the names on this list against the surnames being
researched in the JGFF for Nesvizh and found many matches, although the
spellings in the database of transliterated a little differently then what
is in the JGFF. For example:

Pearlman = Pyeryelman
Orens = Oryens
Levine = Lyevin
Lifshitz = Livshits
Katchenofsky = Katshanovskiy

These are but a few examples >from the database.

The following data elements are included:

Ref # 493
FAMILY NAME, NAME AND PATRONYMIC Lifshits Rubin Movshyev
ADDRESS Tsirulnitskaya st
PROPERTY DESCRIPTION stone house
ESTIMATION 300
PART OF THE TOWN Old town
RELIGION OF THE POSSESSOR Jewish

Please don't ask me for look ups because it would not be fair to Oleg.
Once the funds are collected the database will be made a part of the
All Belarus Database (ABD)

http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/belarus/

Dave

--
David M. Fox
fox@...
Belarus SIG Co-Coordinator
Arnold, MD