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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Polish Jews in London #general

Martin & Reesa Stone <stonemr1@...>
 

Yes, there is such a thing as naturalization. My great grandfather
Reubin Stein immigrated to England >from Russia and received a
naturalization certificate in 1913 >from the Home Office. It was based
on the "Naturalization Act" of 1870.

Martin Stone.

Ed Posnak wrote:


My great-great-grandparents left Poland in the 1870's, and
settled in London. They remained there for approximately
10 years, during which time they had several children.

Were Jewish immigrant records kept in London during those
times? Are there any useful synagogue records around? Someone
suggested the London Beth Din, but I have not had luck contacting
them. Is/was there such a thing as a "naturalization" process
in England, and if so, are those records helpful?


Re: Polish Jews in London #general

Martin & Reesa Stone <stonemr1@...>
 

Yes, there is such a thing as naturalization. My great grandfather
Reubin Stein immigrated to England >from Russia and received a
naturalization certificate in 1913 >from the Home Office. It was based
on the "Naturalization Act" of 1870.

Martin Stone.

Ed Posnak wrote:


My great-great-grandparents left Poland in the 1870's, and
settled in London. They remained there for approximately
10 years, during which time they had several children.

Were Jewish immigrant records kept in London during those
times? Are there any useful synagogue records around? Someone
suggested the London Beth Din, but I have not had luck contacting
them. Is/was there such a thing as a "naturalization" process
in England, and if so, are those records helpful?


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re:Szmeterling #general

Zalman Latzkovich <zalman@...>
 

If you take away "et", it becomes Szmerling,which is quite common
jewish name. So maybe there was a mistake somewhere made, whether
in the census, or in the archives...anywhere... Anyway, I'd
concentrate on Szmerling or any variation of this name .

Zalman Latzkovich
Toronto


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Need Opinions on name change #general

hennynow
 

Just a quick note, off the cuff: "der Schmetterling" is the German word
for the English word "butterfly." It probably corresponds in
pronunciation to your SZMETERLING.

Henny


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Mark Levin - help? #general

Robyn Perlin <trekrobyn@...>
 

My email to Mark Levin bounced.

Does anyone have a correct email address for him?

Please let me know at:

trekrobyn@...

--Robyn Perlin - Trakai Coordinator


Mark Levin - help? #general

Robyn Perlin <trekrobyn@...>
 

My email to Mark Levin bounced.

Does anyone have a correct email address for him?

Please let me know at:

trekrobyn@...

--Robyn Perlin - Trakai Coordinator


Re: Need Opinions on name change #general

hennynow
 

Just a quick note, off the cuff: "der Schmetterling" is the German word
for the English word "butterfly." It probably corresponds in
pronunciation to your SZMETERLING.

Henny


Re: Szmeterling #general

Zalman Latzkovich <zalman@...>
 

If you take away "et", it becomes Szmerling,which is quite common
jewish name. So maybe there was a mistake somewhere made, whether
in the census, or in the archives...anywhere... Anyway, I'd
concentrate on Szmerling or any variation of this name .

Zalman Latzkovich
Toronto


A couple of related points #dna

garymaher@...
 

On Wed, 07 Jun 2000 00:00:10 -0500 "DNA Testing, Ask the Experts digest"
<dna@...> writes:
Subject: Male and Female cousins
From: Inkwell177@...
I'm a male trying to match up to a potental female cousin. The
female's only
male link is her two sons...no available father, uncles or male
cousins. Can
we still establish a DNA match between the male and female?
Not by use of the Y Chromosome test. Possibly through the MtDNA test,
but ONLY if the relationship between you and her passes only through
females. (Ex: Your mother's mother's sister's daughter's daughter
shares the same MtDNA with you, barring the unlikely mutation.)

Can the sons help?
No. They got their Y Chromosome >from their father, and their mother
already has their MtDNA.

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Subject: Jewish ancestors of non-Jews
From: Alicia Jensen <aliciajens@...>
Similarly, I wonder about my situation...My father was born a non-Jew,
but converted to Judeaism before marrying my mother. If I am trying to
prove ancestry >from myself to someone farther back in the Jewish side
of my
family, would this still work as well? To make it harder, my
parents had only girls! Or would it be better to ask one of my
Uncles to submit to the test as they were born to both Jewish
parents?
It makes no difference whether the relative to whom you are trying to
prove a connection has Jewish or non-Jewish ancestry. If you are simply
placing your data on file in the hopes of finding a relative, you will
have a better chance with a Jewish family, because I believe this
particular database focuses on submissions by Jewish genealogists.

If you are trying to prove a relationship between you and somebody else
through an exclusively FEMALE chain of relatives, you can use the MtDNA
test. (See above.) If you are examining an exclusively MALE chain, you
can use the Y Chromosome test. Unfortunately, if you mix females and
males, neither test will help you, except that the MtDNA test will work
whether the bottom (most recent) person in a line of females is male or
female.

So yes, your uncles are preferable for the Y Chromosome test, but only if
you are trying to connect to another relative through only men. Your
maternal uncles will not help with the MtDNA test, because you and they
already share the same MtDNA.

Hope this helps somebody!

Gary Maher
NJ / USA
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DNA Research #DNA A couple of related points #dna

garymaher@...
 

On Wed, 07 Jun 2000 00:00:10 -0500 "DNA Testing, Ask the Experts digest"
<dna@...> writes:
Subject: Male and Female cousins
From: Inkwell177@...
I'm a male trying to match up to a potental female cousin. The
female's only
male link is her two sons...no available father, uncles or male
cousins. Can
we still establish a DNA match between the male and female?
Not by use of the Y Chromosome test. Possibly through the MtDNA test,
but ONLY if the relationship between you and her passes only through
females. (Ex: Your mother's mother's sister's daughter's daughter
shares the same MtDNA with you, barring the unlikely mutation.)

Can the sons help?
No. They got their Y Chromosome >from their father, and their mother
already has their MtDNA.

----------------------------------------------------------------------
Subject: Jewish ancestors of non-Jews
From: Alicia Jensen <aliciajens@...>
Similarly, I wonder about my situation...My father was born a non-Jew,
but converted to Judeaism before marrying my mother. If I am trying to
prove ancestry >from myself to someone farther back in the Jewish side
of my
family, would this still work as well? To make it harder, my
parents had only girls! Or would it be better to ask one of my
Uncles to submit to the test as they were born to both Jewish
parents?
It makes no difference whether the relative to whom you are trying to
prove a connection has Jewish or non-Jewish ancestry. If you are simply
placing your data on file in the hopes of finding a relative, you will
have a better chance with a Jewish family, because I believe this
particular database focuses on submissions by Jewish genealogists.

If you are trying to prove a relationship between you and somebody else
through an exclusively FEMALE chain of relatives, you can use the MtDNA
test. (See above.) If you are examining an exclusively MALE chain, you
can use the Y Chromosome test. Unfortunately, if you mix females and
males, neither test will help you, except that the MtDNA test will work
whether the bottom (most recent) person in a line of females is male or
female.

So yes, your uncles are preferable for the Y Chromosome test, but only if
you are trying to connect to another relative through only men. Your
maternal uncles will not help with the MtDNA test, because you and they
already share the same MtDNA.

Hope this helps somebody!

Gary Maher
NJ / USA
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Barbro Cavalieratou's quest #dna

Ellen S.Kahn <gekahn@...>
 

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the Internet through GerSig so that those of us who know our German =
Jewish ancestors can respond as to whether we may be able to link to the =
names, towns, dates, etc. that were found.

Ellen Lukas Kahn gekahn@...


DNA Research #DNA Barbro Cavalieratou's quest #dna

Ellen S.Kahn <gekahn@...>
 

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May I suggest that Barbro Cavalieratou post the "GERMAN JEWISH NAMES" on =
the Internet through GerSig so that those of us who know our German =
Jewish ancestors can respond as to whether we may be able to link to the =
names, towns, dates, etc. that were found.

Ellen Lukas Kahn gekahn@...


Re: Male and Female cousins #dna

DAVEDOC@...
 

Dear Alvin,
If your mother is related thru the maternal line to this potential
female cousin then we could test using your MtDNA but it would have to be
all females after your mother as the direct route. Thanks.

David E. Rothschild, M.D.


DNA Research #DNA Re: Male and Female cousins #dna

DAVEDOC@...
 

Dear Alvin,
If your mother is related thru the maternal line to this potential
female cousin then we could test using your MtDNA but it would have to be
all females after your mother as the direct route. Thanks.

David E. Rothschild, M.D.


Re: DNA-test for me or for my son? #dna

DAVEDOC@...
 

Dear Barbro,
At present there is no genetic fingerprint for someone Jewish. Our
test are better used looking at comparing two people or in searching for an
unknown common ancestor.Thanks.

David Rothschild, M.D.


DNA Research #DNA Re: DNA-test for me or for my son? #dna

DAVEDOC@...
 

Dear Barbro,
At present there is no genetic fingerprint for someone Jewish. Our
test are better used looking at comparing two people or in searching for an
unknown common ancestor.Thanks.

David Rothschild, M.D.


Re: Jewish ancestors of non-Jews #dna

DAVEDOC@...
 

Dear Alicia, It is unclear to me which question you seek to answer with DNA
testing. The test is best for trying to identify relatives or to find common
ancestors. There is no specific genetic fingerprint for someone who is
Jewish. Thanks. Let me know if I helped or not.

David Rothschild, M.D.


DNA Research #DNA Re: Jewish ancestors of non-Jews #dna

DAVEDOC@...
 

Dear Alicia, It is unclear to me which question you seek to answer with DNA
testing. The test is best for trying to identify relatives or to find common
ancestors. There is no specific genetic fingerprint for someone who is
Jewish. Thanks. Let me know if I helped or not.

David Rothschild, M.D.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Hagerstown Jewish Cemetery in Halfway, Maryland #general

DRAYSTAR@...
 

My research of Jews in Western Maryland and Eastern Baltimore led me
to uncovering a list of the grave markers (both given names and
surnames, years, ages, etc) in the Jewish section of the cemetery in
Halfway, Maryland. As I have previously stated in responses to
inquiries in the past, Hagerstown, Maryland's Jewish population did
not have a cemetery located immediately in the town. Instead, the
residents mostly buried their departed in the Jewish section of the
Halfway Cemetery, which, as is indicated by its name, is located halfway
between Hagerstown and Williamsport, MD. Anyone desiring copies of this
material may contact me directly. As a footnote, I also have the list of
names for the "Gentile Cemetery" in Halfway and the "Colored Cemetery" as
well.

John Drayman
Montrose, CA USA


Hagerstown Jewish Cemetery in Halfway, Maryland #general

DRAYSTAR@...
 

My research of Jews in Western Maryland and Eastern Baltimore led me
to uncovering a list of the grave markers (both given names and
surnames, years, ages, etc) in the Jewish section of the cemetery in
Halfway, Maryland. As I have previously stated in responses to
inquiries in the past, Hagerstown, Maryland's Jewish population did
not have a cemetery located immediately in the town. Instead, the
residents mostly buried their departed in the Jewish section of the
Halfway Cemetery, which, as is indicated by its name, is located halfway
between Hagerstown and Williamsport, MD. Anyone desiring copies of this
material may contact me directly. As a footnote, I also have the list of
names for the "Gentile Cemetery" in Halfway and the "Colored Cemetery" as
well.

John Drayman
Montrose, CA USA