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Beta-Thalassemia breakthrough - thanks to JewishGen archives #general

Stanley Diamond
 

This is a time for a small celebration... I hope friends, supporters and
JewishGen readers who have followed my efforts to find and warn
unsuspecting branches of my family about the Beta-Thalassemia trait,
will rejoice with me when they hear the latest episode in an incredible
string of my own and other JewishGen success stores!

I have just been discovered by a man whose family has known for
years about being carriers of the trait but, for one reason or another,
I had failed to make connect with. I said..."I have just been
discovered." That's right, I was the one who was found -- but only
because of the dogged persistence of one man. I asked him to
document how it happened. Here's _his_ netsurfing story followed
by a few short comments of my own.

Chicago, July 22, 1999

Stanley, you asked me to document how I found you on Monday evening:

First, let me preface my remarks by saying that I am a professional
historian by training but so much has happened in the last few days,
there hasn't been time to talk about my own background. However,
my specialization is in U.S. foreign relations. I know very little about
genealogical research, and I am not trained in either Jewish or Polish
history (very cool subjects, I now know!).

So, how did I find you? I can't be absolutely precise because I did
not systematically record my research. But, going on memory and
the various pages I printed out along the way, here's what I think happened:

1. I started with a garden-variety search engine: AOL Netfind.
2. I searched under my family's presumed place of origin: Lomza, Poland.
3. Learned bits and pieces about Lomza.
4. Searched under links I found to Poland.
5. Searched under Polish genealogical links.
6. Found links to Jewish genealogical links.
7. Searched those links using Lomza, Ostrova and presumed
ancestral family name "Zaba" as search words. (With hindsight
it is rather funny to think that one person in our family gave her
daughter the middle name Zaba to record the family's original (!) name.)
8. Using the JewishGen Family Finder, I found nothing under Zaba.
9. Then I searched for all family names associated with Lomza and
came up with a 37 page list.
10. Browsed through list and printed it out. I made a mental note
when I found the name "Sztaba." This was the closest family name
to the name I was looking for i.e. "Zaba."
11. There was only one person listed for the Sztaba, that was you,
and there was a hyperlink to your name and email address.
12. Finished with Lomza I hit other Jewish links and came across
the homepage for Yigal Rechtman.
13. I clicked on Jewish General Discussion Group Archives and
searched under the two words Lomza and Sztaba.
14. Lomza and Sztaba yielded exactly one result: SMSDiamond.
15. I clicked on the saved discussion group emails and up came
a Sept. 30, 1997 message with the subject line "Anemia or is it
Beta-Thalassemia." As soon as I saw the subject I lit up.
16. I quickly read through your email message to group discussants
and when I read your description of your origins I knew immediately
that I had found my family in Poland. You said in that post: "My initial
goal in this project was to find other carriers of the specific beta-
thalassemia mutation carried by my family--originally >from Ostrow
Mazowiecka (Ostrova) in the old Lomza Gubernia of Poland"
17. This rare genetic anomaly in an Ashkenazi family was a famous
discussion topic among my cousins. The fact that your family
carried the beta-thalassemia trait, came >from the same town (Ostrova)
and had the only name similar to Zaba was enough for me. The
combination of all three positive identifications, and being carriers
of the trait most of all, convinced me that I was not a "Zaba" but
a "Sztaba." In a state of high excitement, I quickly sent off a
celebratory email to you, claiming common ancestry and genetic
mutation (not me but my cousins).

Stanley's comments:

For years I have looked for SZTABA relatives... How could I have
known that, as Kohanim, all the members of this large family took
the name COHEN when they settled in the U.S. and then, for reasons
too complex to go into, later changed their name to SCHWAB.
(I would not mention their name here for privacy reasons except
that there are thousands of SCHWABs in the U.S.)

But, the real irony of the story is that this newly discovered family
is not directly descended >from the STZTABA - WIDELEC marriage
I had documented. The root of the Beta-Thalassemia trait in their
family goes back at least a few earlier generations and without
further search of the records in Poland, I will not be able to pinpoint
the exact link. But, I will find it!

In the meantime, there is now a new tree of carriers waiting to be
joined to my original Beta-Thalassemia tree. (Yes, I have spent
the good part of two days on the phone reconstructing my new family!)

For more information on the Beta-Thalassemia research project and
the unique FS 20/21 mutation carried by my family, please check
out my web site at the address below

Stanley M. Diamond, Montreal
Genealogy with an extra reason" ... Beta-Thalassemia Research Project
SMSDiamond@aol.com
www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pointe/1439


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Beta-Thalassemia breakthrough - thanks to JewishGen archives #general

Stanley Diamond
 

This is a time for a small celebration... I hope friends, supporters and
JewishGen readers who have followed my efforts to find and warn
unsuspecting branches of my family about the Beta-Thalassemia trait,
will rejoice with me when they hear the latest episode in an incredible
string of my own and other JewishGen success stores!

I have just been discovered by a man whose family has known for
years about being carriers of the trait but, for one reason or another,
I had failed to make connect with. I said..."I have just been
discovered." That's right, I was the one who was found -- but only
because of the dogged persistence of one man. I asked him to
document how it happened. Here's _his_ netsurfing story followed
by a few short comments of my own.

Chicago, July 22, 1999

Stanley, you asked me to document how I found you on Monday evening:

First, let me preface my remarks by saying that I am a professional
historian by training but so much has happened in the last few days,
there hasn't been time to talk about my own background. However,
my specialization is in U.S. foreign relations. I know very little about
genealogical research, and I am not trained in either Jewish or Polish
history (very cool subjects, I now know!).

So, how did I find you? I can't be absolutely precise because I did
not systematically record my research. But, going on memory and
the various pages I printed out along the way, here's what I think happened:

1. I started with a garden-variety search engine: AOL Netfind.
2. I searched under my family's presumed place of origin: Lomza, Poland.
3. Learned bits and pieces about Lomza.
4. Searched under links I found to Poland.
5. Searched under Polish genealogical links.
6. Found links to Jewish genealogical links.
7. Searched those links using Lomza, Ostrova and presumed
ancestral family name "Zaba" as search words. (With hindsight
it is rather funny to think that one person in our family gave her
daughter the middle name Zaba to record the family's original (!) name.)
8. Using the JewishGen Family Finder, I found nothing under Zaba.
9. Then I searched for all family names associated with Lomza and
came up with a 37 page list.
10. Browsed through list and printed it out. I made a mental note
when I found the name "Sztaba." This was the closest family name
to the name I was looking for i.e. "Zaba."
11. There was only one person listed for the Sztaba, that was you,
and there was a hyperlink to your name and email address.
12. Finished with Lomza I hit other Jewish links and came across
the homepage for Yigal Rechtman.
13. I clicked on Jewish General Discussion Group Archives and
searched under the two words Lomza and Sztaba.
14. Lomza and Sztaba yielded exactly one result: SMSDiamond.
15. I clicked on the saved discussion group emails and up came
a Sept. 30, 1997 message with the subject line "Anemia or is it
Beta-Thalassemia." As soon as I saw the subject I lit up.
16. I quickly read through your email message to group discussants
and when I read your description of your origins I knew immediately
that I had found my family in Poland. You said in that post: "My initial
goal in this project was to find other carriers of the specific beta-
thalassemia mutation carried by my family--originally >from Ostrow
Mazowiecka (Ostrova) in the old Lomza Gubernia of Poland"
17. This rare genetic anomaly in an Ashkenazi family was a famous
discussion topic among my cousins. The fact that your family
carried the beta-thalassemia trait, came >from the same town (Ostrova)
and had the only name similar to Zaba was enough for me. The
combination of all three positive identifications, and being carriers
of the trait most of all, convinced me that I was not a "Zaba" but
a "Sztaba." In a state of high excitement, I quickly sent off a
celebratory email to you, claiming common ancestry and genetic
mutation (not me but my cousins).

Stanley's comments:

For years I have looked for SZTABA relatives... How could I have
known that, as Kohanim, all the members of this large family took
the name COHEN when they settled in the U.S. and then, for reasons
too complex to go into, later changed their name to SCHWAB.
(I would not mention their name here for privacy reasons except
that there are thousands of SCHWABs in the U.S.)

But, the real irony of the story is that this newly discovered family
is not directly descended >from the STZTABA - WIDELEC marriage
I had documented. The root of the Beta-Thalassemia trait in their
family goes back at least a few earlier generations and without
further search of the records in Poland, I will not be able to pinpoint
the exact link. But, I will find it!

In the meantime, there is now a new tree of carriers waiting to be
joined to my original Beta-Thalassemia tree. (Yes, I have spent
the good part of two days on the phone reconstructing my new family!)

For more information on the Beta-Thalassemia research project and
the unique FS 20/21 mutation carried by my family, please check
out my web site at the address below

Stanley M. Diamond, Montreal
Genealogy with an extra reason" ... Beta-Thalassemia Research Project
SMSDiamond@aol.com
www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pointe/1439


Nowoshiolki and Wielke Stewfaniske help........ #belarus

Patricia Brown <paddee@...>
 

On my Grandparents Naturalization Papers it states Nowoshiolki, Russia
for my grandmother and Wielke Stefaniske, Poland for my grandfather. I
have looked at numerous maps and tried the shetl site and can not find
any reference to either of these towns, villages, etc. I have spent
hours at Libraries, and can't seem to find any reference to them either.
What I do know is the two towns were within ten miles of each other and
the closest largest city was Minsk (I don't know how close that would be
either) The time frame for this would be 1907-1913. Does anyone know
where these two places are, and what district they are in? Right now I'm
at a complete loss as where to go >from here.
If anyone can help me locate these two places, I would be forever
grateful.

Thank You,
Patricia Bamford Brown
Red Bluff, California


Belarus SIG #Belarus Nowoshiolki and Wielke Stewfaniske help........ #belarus

Patricia Brown <paddee@...>
 

On my Grandparents Naturalization Papers it states Nowoshiolki, Russia
for my grandmother and Wielke Stefaniske, Poland for my grandfather. I
have looked at numerous maps and tried the shetl site and can not find
any reference to either of these towns, villages, etc. I have spent
hours at Libraries, and can't seem to find any reference to them either.
What I do know is the two towns were within ten miles of each other and
the closest largest city was Minsk (I don't know how close that would be
either) The time frame for this would be 1907-1913. Does anyone know
where these two places are, and what district they are in? Right now I'm
at a complete loss as where to go >from here.
If anyone can help me locate these two places, I would be forever
grateful.

Thank You,
Patricia Bamford Brown
Red Bluff, California


Re: Lechovich? near Baronovich #belarus

Larry Gaum <lgaum@...>
 

----------
From: kudish <kudish@netcom.ca>
To: Belarus SIG <belarus@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Subject: Re: Lechovich? near Baronovich
Date: Wednesday, July 21, 1999 1:48 PM
Gary, I found in the book "Latter day leaders" a place
LACHOWICZE. I believe
this is a right spelling. You have to check an old map to
find it if it is
really near Baranovichi (Baranovichi is a right spelling,
Baranovich is
wrong).

Truly Irene Kudish kudish@netcom.ca
Searching for Libkind
Irene:

Baronovich is not wrong. There are many ways to spell the
names of shtetlach. Baronovichi is the Belarusian form.
Baronovich is also correct and is probably the Yiddish,
Russian or Polish spelling.
Gary: Lachovich(Lachovici) 107 Km North of Pinsk, close to
Baranovichi. There is also a Lyakhoviche, 38 Km. West of
Pinsk, not close to Baranovichi. Baranovich is 120km. North
of Pinsk.
Larry Gaum


Belarus SIG #Belarus Re: Lechovich? near Baronovich #belarus

Larry Gaum <lgaum@...>
 

----------
From: kudish <kudish@netcom.ca>
To: Belarus SIG <belarus@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Subject: Re: Lechovich? near Baronovich
Date: Wednesday, July 21, 1999 1:48 PM
Gary, I found in the book "Latter day leaders" a place
LACHOWICZE. I believe
this is a right spelling. You have to check an old map to
find it if it is
really near Baranovichi (Baranovichi is a right spelling,
Baranovich is
wrong).

Truly Irene Kudish kudish@netcom.ca
Searching for Libkind
Irene:

Baronovich is not wrong. There are many ways to spell the
names of shtetlach. Baronovichi is the Belarusian form.
Baronovich is also correct and is probably the Yiddish,
Russian or Polish spelling.
Gary: Lachovich(Lachovici) 107 Km North of Pinsk, close to
Baranovichi. There is also a Lyakhoviche, 38 Km. West of
Pinsk, not close to Baranovichi. Baranovich is 120km. North
of Pinsk.
Larry Gaum


L'achovici and Baranovici #belarus

Phyllis Cole <phylliscole@...>
 

I found on a modern map --L'achovici just south of Baranovici.Belarus
about 53 north and 26 east
Look up cities in Encyclopedia Judaica.
Also try expedia maps and maps >from Belarus SIG.

PhyllisCole,NJ

Subject: Re: Lechovich? near Baronovich
From: "kudish" <kudish@netcom.ca>
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 13:48:22 -0400

-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Gluck <gagluck@earthlink.net>
Date: Wednesday, July 21, 1999 12:22 PM
Subject: Lechovich? near Baronovich

My grandfather said that he was born in Lechovich which was near
Baronovich.
Has anybody ever heard of this place?Is Baronovich the same as Baranavichi?
where might I look for information regarding this city?
Gary Gluck
-------
Gary, I found in the book "Latter day leaders" a place LACHOWICZE. I believe this is a right spelling. You have to check an old map to find it if it is really near Baranovichi (Baranovichi is a right spelling, Baranovich is wrong).

Truly Irene Kudish kudish@netcom.ca
Searching for LIBKIND



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Belarus SIG #Belarus L'achovici and Baranovici #belarus

Phyllis Cole <phylliscole@...>
 

I found on a modern map --L'achovici just south of Baranovici.Belarus
about 53 north and 26 east
Look up cities in Encyclopedia Judaica.
Also try expedia maps and maps >from Belarus SIG.

PhyllisCole,NJ

Subject: Re: Lechovich? near Baronovich
From: "kudish" <kudish@netcom.ca>
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 13:48:22 -0400

-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Gluck <gagluck@earthlink.net>
Date: Wednesday, July 21, 1999 12:22 PM
Subject: Lechovich? near Baronovich

My grandfather said that he was born in Lechovich which was near
Baronovich.
Has anybody ever heard of this place?Is Baronovich the same as Baranavichi?
where might I look for information regarding this city?
Gary Gluck
-------
Gary, I found in the book "Latter day leaders" a place LACHOWICZE. I believe this is a right spelling. You have to check an old map to find it if it is really near Baranovichi (Baranovichi is a right spelling, Baranovich is wrong).

Truly Irene Kudish kudish@netcom.ca
Searching for LIBKIND



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Lechovich #belarus

Risa E Heywood <risah@...>
 

Today, Lechovich or Lachowicze is spelled Lyakhovichi. It was in the Slutsk
District of Minsk Guberniya. There are many spellings for this town that
you will encounter. It is near Baranovichi. I am researching the CHWEDUK
or KHVEDYUK family >from Lyakhovichi. On the Belarus SIG website, we have a
link to the Lyakhovichi Yizkor book translation and to the 1903 Vsia
Rossiia, where there are some Lyakhovichi entries
http://www.jewishgen.org/belarus/minsk.htm. There is also a research group
headed by Gary Palgon GMPalgon@aol.com that is translating records >from the
town.

Risa Heywood
Belarus SIG Webmaster
risah@ibm.net
Louisville, Colorado


Belarus SIG #Belarus Lechovich #belarus

Risa E Heywood <risah@...>
 

Today, Lechovich or Lachowicze is spelled Lyakhovichi. It was in the Slutsk
District of Minsk Guberniya. There are many spellings for this town that
you will encounter. It is near Baranovichi. I am researching the CHWEDUK
or KHVEDYUK family >from Lyakhovichi. On the Belarus SIG website, we have a
link to the Lyakhovichi Yizkor book translation and to the 1903 Vsia
Rossiia, where there are some Lyakhovichi entries
http://www.jewishgen.org/belarus/minsk.htm. There is also a research group
headed by Gary Palgon GMPalgon@aol.com that is translating records >from the
town.

Risa Heywood
Belarus SIG Webmaster
risah@ibm.net
Louisville, Colorado


name -sequences #belarus

Carol Edan <caroled@...>
 

Shalom,

On the database for boy's birth records I found 10 records for the family of
MONOSZON.
Have not seen actual records hope a freind will be able to find them during
the conference. One interesting thing that I did notice was that there were
name sequences that I don't understand.
Would they be double given names or could the second name be that of his
father.

Example: Record for Itska-Mordukh child born in 1877.
Record for Girsha-Mordukh child born in 1890.

Could I presume that maybe Itska and Girsha are brothers and have same
father Mordukh?
The dates do not fit in this theory although I have little experience in
this type of analysis.

Record for Itska-Essel could Essel be father of Itska.
Itska could be variation of the name Itzhak, Essel?

If that be the case I would have 3 generations in one record. The
child>father>grandfather.
Maybe I am jumping the gun and things will be clearer when actual records
can be found but I have the feeling that somehow I am not seeing what is >in
front of me<.

Open to any/other theories,

Carol Monosson Edan

Researching
MONOSSON/POLEY- Moscow/ Mogilev/Gomel
ARONSON/PRICE-Augustow/Kalvarija
RABINOVITZ-Novogrodok
MUSHNITSKY-Russia


Belarus SIG #Belarus name -sequences #belarus

Carol Edan <caroled@...>
 

Shalom,

On the database for boy's birth records I found 10 records for the family of
MONOSZON.
Have not seen actual records hope a freind will be able to find them during
the conference. One interesting thing that I did notice was that there were
name sequences that I don't understand.
Would they be double given names or could the second name be that of his
father.

Example: Record for Itska-Mordukh child born in 1877.
Record for Girsha-Mordukh child born in 1890.

Could I presume that maybe Itska and Girsha are brothers and have same
father Mordukh?
The dates do not fit in this theory although I have little experience in
this type of analysis.

Record for Itska-Essel could Essel be father of Itska.
Itska could be variation of the name Itzhak, Essel?

If that be the case I would have 3 generations in one record. The
child>father>grandfather.
Maybe I am jumping the gun and things will be clearer when actual records
can be found but I have the feeling that somehow I am not seeing what is >in
front of me<.

Open to any/other theories,

Carol Monosson Edan

Researching
MONOSSON/POLEY- Moscow/ Mogilev/Gomel
ARONSON/PRICE-Augustow/Kalvarija
RABINOVITZ-Novogrodok
MUSHNITSKY-Russia


telephone directory web site??? #belarus

Dawn Glover <oldstuff@...>
 

Greetings all! Is there a web site w/ telephone listings >from all over the
US? I seem to recall someone here saying there was such a site, and it
stands to reason this info should be available on-line. I'm writing
"fishing expedition" letters and have been getting addresses >from telephone
directory assistance operators, but they find it annoying and will only
give me two at a time...the Union of Directory Assistance operators is
likely to put out a contract on me if I don't stop pestering them. Please
let me know what you consider the best way to access telephone directories
in US cities

Dawn Marcus-Glover
oldstuff@lcc.net

Researching: MARCUS, ABRAM, PITLER


Belarus SIG #Belarus telephone directory web site??? #belarus

Dawn Glover <oldstuff@...>
 

Greetings all! Is there a web site w/ telephone listings >from all over the
US? I seem to recall someone here saying there was such a site, and it
stands to reason this info should be available on-line. I'm writing
"fishing expedition" letters and have been getting addresses >from telephone
directory assistance operators, but they find it annoying and will only
give me two at a time...the Union of Directory Assistance operators is
likely to put out a contract on me if I don't stop pestering them. Please
let me know what you consider the best way to access telephone directories
in US cities

Dawn Marcus-Glover
oldstuff@lcc.net

Researching: MARCUS, ABRAM, PITLER


Gumen = Igumen? #belarus

BARBLISS@...
 

I just got a note >from a cousin asking me if Gumen (Humen) in Minsk Gubernia
(the birthplace of her mother Rose HELLER 1887 and her uncle Isadore HELLER
1895) is actually Igumen. Or would Gumen actually be a shtetl?

Barbara Lipson Liss
Cincinnati Ohio
(formerly of Brooklyn NY)
barbliss@aol.com

Researching: Smilovichi & Pukhovichi (Puchovitz)(BYL) & NYC: LIPSHITZ,
LIFSHITZ, LIPSHUTZ, LEIKEN, NISHNEVITZ, HINENBERG
Podgorze (near Cracow) & NYC: ISENBERG
Chasseh & Kletsk (BYL), Mpls MN & North Adams MA: LISS, LESS, BLICKER
Orinin (UKR) & Mpls: KRAMER, GILLMAN
NYC: ABRAMS, MINDEL, RAPPAPORT, INLANDER ,


Belarus SIG #Belarus Gumen = Igumen? #belarus

BARBLISS@...
 

I just got a note >from a cousin asking me if Gumen (Humen) in Minsk Gubernia
(the birthplace of her mother Rose HELLER 1887 and her uncle Isadore HELLER
1895) is actually Igumen. Or would Gumen actually be a shtetl?

Barbara Lipson Liss
Cincinnati Ohio
(formerly of Brooklyn NY)
barbliss@aol.com

Researching: Smilovichi & Pukhovichi (Puchovitz)(BYL) & NYC: LIPSHITZ,
LIFSHITZ, LIPSHUTZ, LEIKEN, NISHNEVITZ, HINENBERG
Podgorze (near Cracow) & NYC: ISENBERG
Chasseh & Kletsk (BYL), Mpls MN & North Adams MA: LISS, LESS, BLICKER
Orinin (UKR) & Mpls: KRAMER, GILLMAN
NYC: ABRAMS, MINDEL, RAPPAPORT, INLANDER ,


Update - Shtetl Interest List #belarus

Elsebeth Paikin
 

The Shtetl Interest List has again been updated again.

http://www.jewishgen.org/Belarus/newsletter/shtetllist.htm

Please note that surnames are not listed - only names of towns, shtetls,
cities etc.

The number of attendees of the Belarus SIG Meeting are now 98.

Best regards
Elsebeth Paikin, Editor
Belarus SIG Online Newsletter
http://www.jewishgen.org/Belarus/newsletter/bnl_index.htm
e-mail: elsebeth@paikin.dk

--
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Belarus SIG #Belarus Update - Shtetl Interest List #belarus

Elsebeth Paikin
 

The Shtetl Interest List has again been updated again.

http://www.jewishgen.org/Belarus/newsletter/shtetllist.htm

Please note that surnames are not listed - only names of towns, shtetls,
cities etc.

The number of attendees of the Belarus SIG Meeting are now 98.

Best regards
Elsebeth Paikin, Editor
Belarus SIG Online Newsletter
http://www.jewishgen.org/Belarus/newsletter/bnl_index.htm
e-mail: elsebeth@paikin.dk

--
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e-mail: elsebeth@paikin.dk

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The Shtetl of Dukla #galicia

Phyllis Kramer <phylliskramer1@...>
 

Debbie Horwitz asked about Dickler.....
let me suggest that she look at the shtetlinks page
for Zmigrod/Dukla.....there are many Ungers listed there....for instance,
Marcus Dawid Unger was the rabbi in Zmigrod in the 1880s.
Unger was a common name in the area....there are even some birth records
from Dukla listed.
http://www.jewishgen.org/shtetlinks/zmigrod/zmigrod.htm


PhyllisKramer1@worldnet.att.net, Wilton Conn & Savannah Ga ...... searching
KRAMER, WISNER >from Jasienica Rosielna, Poland
STECHER/STECKLER, TRACHMAN, FEIR/FEUER, KORNREICH (Zmigrod & Rymanow, Pol)
SCHEINER, KANDEL, SCHIMMEL (Strzyzow & Dubiecko, Pol)
LINDNER, EICHEL, BERLIN, MAURER, MERL, WEICH (Rogatin & Bolechov, Ukr)
LINDNER, FISCHER, LAZAROWICH (Iasi, Romania)


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia The Shtetl of Dukla #galicia

Phyllis Kramer <phylliskramer1@...>
 

Debbie Horwitz asked about Dickler.....
let me suggest that she look at the shtetlinks page
for Zmigrod/Dukla.....there are many Ungers listed there....for instance,
Marcus Dawid Unger was the rabbi in Zmigrod in the 1880s.
Unger was a common name in the area....there are even some birth records
from Dukla listed.
http://www.jewishgen.org/shtetlinks/zmigrod/zmigrod.htm


PhyllisKramer1@worldnet.att.net, Wilton Conn & Savannah Ga ...... searching
KRAMER, WISNER >from Jasienica Rosielna, Poland
STECHER/STECKLER, TRACHMAN, FEIR/FEUER, KORNREICH (Zmigrod & Rymanow, Pol)
SCHEINER, KANDEL, SCHIMMEL (Strzyzow & Dubiecko, Pol)
LINDNER, EICHEL, BERLIN, MAURER, MERL, WEICH (Rogatin & Bolechov, Ukr)
LINDNER, FISCHER, LAZAROWICH (Iasi, Romania)