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Norwood Orphanage, London #general

lindaschu <lindaschu@...>
 

After two years of searching, I now have correct information to send for
the family history of children who were placed at Norwood 1795-1995. The
newly printed book about the history of the orphanage entitled What About
the Children? costs 8 pounds including postage to the US, A search of the
archives is 25 pounds. Write to Betty Marks, Archivist, Norwood House,
Harmony Way off Victoria Road, Hendon, London NW4 2BZ, They also print an
alumni newsletter. My thanks to David Fielker for tracking down this
information for me!

Linda Schulein, Newport Beach, California.
lindaschu@msn.com

MODERATOR NOTE: This is the permitted one-time notice of a _new_
publication.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Norwood Orphanage, London #general

lindaschu <lindaschu@...>
 

After two years of searching, I now have correct information to send for
the family history of children who were placed at Norwood 1795-1995. The
newly printed book about the history of the orphanage entitled What About
the Children? costs 8 pounds including postage to the US, A search of the
archives is 25 pounds. Write to Betty Marks, Archivist, Norwood House,
Harmony Way off Victoria Road, Hendon, London NW4 2BZ, They also print an
alumni newsletter. My thanks to David Fielker for tracking down this
information for me!

Linda Schulein, Newport Beach, California.
lindaschu@msn.com

MODERATOR NOTE: This is the permitted one-time notice of a _new_
publication.


Searching Jeremy M. Pacht #general

laufer <laufers@...>
 

Jeremy Pacht wrote a letter two and a half years to the JewishGen with a
lot of names of his family. One of this name (Preschel) is very
interesting to me but I can't connect him. His old E-Mail was
pacht@psych.umass.edu but when I try to connect I receive a error message.
If somebody can connect with us or send me his new E-Mail, please mail
private to
laufers@internet-zahav.net
Shmuel Laufer
Rehovot

MODERATOR NOTE: A more recent e-mail address for Jeremy Pacht can be
found by searching the JewishGen Discussion Group Archives at
<http://www.jewishgen.org/wconnect/wc.isa?jg~jgsys~archpop>. The
Archives constitute a wonderful resource, we strongly encourage everyone
to consult it before submitting queries to the group.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Searching Jeremy M. Pacht #general

laufer <laufers@...>
 

Jeremy Pacht wrote a letter two and a half years to the JewishGen with a
lot of names of his family. One of this name (Preschel) is very
interesting to me but I can't connect him. His old E-Mail was
pacht@psych.umass.edu but when I try to connect I receive a error message.
If somebody can connect with us or send me his new E-Mail, please mail
private to
laufers@internet-zahav.net
Shmuel Laufer
Rehovot

MODERATOR NOTE: A more recent e-mail address for Jeremy Pacht can be
found by searching the JewishGen Discussion Group Archives at
<http://www.jewishgen.org/wconnect/wc.isa?jg~jgsys~archpop>. The
Archives constitute a wonderful resource, we strongly encourage everyone
to consult it before submitting queries to the group.


Format for family tree #general

Bernie Radomsky <bernie@...>
 

To, all subscribers!

We want to type up our family tree in Microsoft Word format, but are
struggling to find the best method to do so; Should we use a table ,
with columns, or should we use arrows to indicate relationships? We think
a spreadsheet in Excel will be too difficult as reading it will entail
scrolling across the screen and we are seeking a format that allows us to
read the whole table at once. Should we use blocks? please advise.

Question Two!

Our family originated >from Ghitomir, (Zhitomir) in the Ukraine. They left
in the late 1800's and arrived in South Africa via Scotland in about 1875.
Most avenues of research which we have tried have provided information
about Poland but not about the Ukraine. Can anyone point us to a Research
Centre or Reference or other source of information on the Ukraine in this
connection.

Thank you

Bernie Radomsky, Cape Town, South Africa.

MODERATOR NOTE: For question 2, try JewishGen's Eastern European FAQ at
<http://www.jewishgen.org/infofiles/eefaq.txt>. Questions about the uses
of computers in genealogy are best posted to our sister newsgroup
<soc.genealogy.computing>.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Format for family tree #general

Bernie Radomsky <bernie@...>
 

To, all subscribers!

We want to type up our family tree in Microsoft Word format, but are
struggling to find the best method to do so; Should we use a table ,
with columns, or should we use arrows to indicate relationships? We think
a spreadsheet in Excel will be too difficult as reading it will entail
scrolling across the screen and we are seeking a format that allows us to
read the whole table at once. Should we use blocks? please advise.

Question Two!

Our family originated >from Ghitomir, (Zhitomir) in the Ukraine. They left
in the late 1800's and arrived in South Africa via Scotland in about 1875.
Most avenues of research which we have tried have provided information
about Poland but not about the Ukraine. Can anyone point us to a Research
Centre or Reference or other source of information on the Ukraine in this
connection.

Thank you

Bernie Radomsky, Cape Town, South Africa.

MODERATOR NOTE: For question 2, try JewishGen's Eastern European FAQ at
<http://www.jewishgen.org/infofiles/eefaq.txt>. Questions about the uses
of computers in genealogy are best posted to our sister newsgroup
<soc.genealogy.computing>.


Waltham Abbey & Jewish burials #general

Gailcopela@...
 

Is anyone familiar with Jewish burials at Waltham Abbey in London? A cousin
and a grand-uncle are buried there.

Gail Copeland
Thornhill (Toronto), ON Canada


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Waltham Abbey & Jewish burials #general

Gailcopela@...
 

Is anyone familiar with Jewish burials at Waltham Abbey in London? A cousin
and a grand-uncle are buried there.

Gail Copeland
Thornhill (Toronto), ON Canada


Re: Passenger Lists from Bremen to New York #general

A. E. Jordan
 

<< Len Markowitz asked about Bremen passenger lists.

I am sending this reply to the entire group because a number of people
might try to work together here to solve the mystery of the passenger lists
and that is available. I know that the official "line" is that Bremen's
lists were lost in the War -- but I have two avenues that might add some
additional light. Both are outside the traditional lines of genealogy.

The ship that Len asks about, the Stuttgart, was owned and operated by one
of two very famous German shipping firm. In this case it was North German
Lloyd, which was the primary shipping firm >from Bremen. What most
genealogists don't realize is that NGL is alive and well -- it has simply
merged. In 1970 North German Lloyd and the other famous German shipping
firm HAPAG (or Hamburg American) merged and today operate as Hapag-Lloyd.
If memory serves me correctly Hapag's headquarters is in Hamburg today.
Maybe one of our German colleagues could call Hapag's archives (which are
extensive) and ask them about the passenger lists and then report back to
all of us? Also I would suggest asking Hapag about museums that might have
some of their files/infomation.

Second out of the box avenue is one of German's most famous maritime
museums and its renown historian. The museum is Deutsches Shiffahrtsmuseum
in Bremerhaven. The historian is Arnold Kludas. Again may be one of our
German correspondents could contact the museum and/or Dr. Kludas and
explore the subject with them. He is an authority on the ships and likely
could offer some thoughts about the ships and if the lists survived.

While the port's official records are long gone, I wonder about other
sources because they often kept multiple copies of the records.

Off the subject I can also point out to anyone who has family that sailed
aboard a Cunard liner that the University of Liverpool has all of the
records >from Cunard's archives and again they were extensive. Also both
French Line (also known as CGT) and Italian Line (or Italia) are in
existance and have extensive files at their offices.
Happy hunting to all! Hope this off the track thinking helps a few people
find some interesting records.

Allan Jordan

aejordan@aol.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Passenger Lists from Bremen to New York #general

A. E. Jordan
 

<< Len Markowitz asked about Bremen passenger lists.

I am sending this reply to the entire group because a number of people
might try to work together here to solve the mystery of the passenger lists
and that is available. I know that the official "line" is that Bremen's
lists were lost in the War -- but I have two avenues that might add some
additional light. Both are outside the traditional lines of genealogy.

The ship that Len asks about, the Stuttgart, was owned and operated by one
of two very famous German shipping firm. In this case it was North German
Lloyd, which was the primary shipping firm >from Bremen. What most
genealogists don't realize is that NGL is alive and well -- it has simply
merged. In 1970 North German Lloyd and the other famous German shipping
firm HAPAG (or Hamburg American) merged and today operate as Hapag-Lloyd.
If memory serves me correctly Hapag's headquarters is in Hamburg today.
Maybe one of our German colleagues could call Hapag's archives (which are
extensive) and ask them about the passenger lists and then report back to
all of us? Also I would suggest asking Hapag about museums that might have
some of their files/infomation.

Second out of the box avenue is one of German's most famous maritime
museums and its renown historian. The museum is Deutsches Shiffahrtsmuseum
in Bremerhaven. The historian is Arnold Kludas. Again may be one of our
German correspondents could contact the museum and/or Dr. Kludas and
explore the subject with them. He is an authority on the ships and likely
could offer some thoughts about the ships and if the lists survived.

While the port's official records are long gone, I wonder about other
sources because they often kept multiple copies of the records.

Off the subject I can also point out to anyone who has family that sailed
aboard a Cunard liner that the University of Liverpool has all of the
records >from Cunard's archives and again they were extensive. Also both
French Line (also known as CGT) and Italian Line (or Italia) are in
existance and have extensive files at their offices.
Happy hunting to all! Hope this off the track thinking helps a few people
find some interesting records.

Allan Jordan

aejordan@aol.com


Hamelitz micro film in the UK #general

Martin Balk <martin@...>
 

Help!
Can any one tell me if any libraries in the UK hold micro film of HaMelitz.
Thanks in anticipation.

Martin Balk
Southampton
UK
martin@balk.freeserve.co.uk
www.balk.freeserve.co.uk

Researching:
Balk - Taurage Lithuania
Balk - Memel
Blumenthal - Taurage Lithuania
Strahl - USA - Lithuania
Bergman Memel


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Hamelitz micro film in the UK #general

Martin Balk <martin@...>
 

Help!
Can any one tell me if any libraries in the UK hold micro film of HaMelitz.
Thanks in anticipation.

Martin Balk
Southampton
UK
martin@balk.freeserve.co.uk
www.balk.freeserve.co.uk

Researching:
Balk - Taurage Lithuania
Balk - Memel
Blumenthal - Taurage Lithuania
Strahl - USA - Lithuania
Bergman Memel


Leeds - Steve Slesinger #general

CISSIE EPPEL <cissie_eppel@...>
 

A message I e- mailed to Steve Slesinger a few days ago bounced.
He posted an item regarding a book he had received >from Murray Freedman
of Leeds.

I also had relatives who lived in Leeds and I would very much appreciate
having Murray Freedman's e mail address so that I can order his book.
Please reply privately.
Thank you

Cissie Eppel
Vancouver B.C.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Leeds - Steve Slesinger #general

CISSIE EPPEL <cissie_eppel@...>
 

A message I e- mailed to Steve Slesinger a few days ago bounced.
He posted an item regarding a book he had received >from Murray Freedman
of Leeds.

I also had relatives who lived in Leeds and I would very much appreciate
having Murray Freedman's e mail address so that I can order his book.
Please reply privately.
Thank you

Cissie Eppel
Vancouver B.C.


A Genealogy/Family History Research Tip #general

Gabor Zsolnay <gmz262@...>
 

Dear Fellow Researchers,

I just stumbled upon a great genealogy/family history research
technique--The Recipe Box. This Thanksgiving I visited my mother and went
through her recipe box and the one she inherited >from my grandmother. When
my mother married in 1952, a relative gave her a recipe shower--so, there
were MANY recipes attributed to relatives--including recipes >from two of my
German great-grandmothers. I expanded my search by calling cousins of my
parents and grandparents and asking them to go through their old recipe
boxes for family recipes. Low and behold--the recipes have started to pour
in--and many of them are arriving with family stories attached. One cousin
sent my great-great-grandmother's chocolate cake recipe, writing that it
was the cake she served in her bakery in downtown St. Paul, MN in the
1880s! Well, I never knew that she had a bakery in downtown St. Paul, so
now I have a recipe AND a new area of research! Another relative--who has
recently discovered that our common heritage is Russian Jewish--found in
her old recipe box the family's recipe for matzo balls and pickled beets
(this should have been a tip off long ago!)

It may be my imagination, but it seems that it has been easier to call some
of the distant relatives about family recipes rather than about family
trees. Everyone has been eager to revisit their recipe box--looking at it
in ways they haven't for years,if ever. I have now collected over 80
family recipes, including favorites >from the current generation. I intend
to type the recipes into a little family history cook book--and I'll
include a family chart, photos and some of the stories.

Perhaps this idea will help other researchers too.

Sincerely,

Carol Adler Zsolnay at gmz262@nwu.edu


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen A Genealogy/Family History Research Tip #general

Gabor Zsolnay <gmz262@...>
 

Dear Fellow Researchers,

I just stumbled upon a great genealogy/family history research
technique--The Recipe Box. This Thanksgiving I visited my mother and went
through her recipe box and the one she inherited >from my grandmother. When
my mother married in 1952, a relative gave her a recipe shower--so, there
were MANY recipes attributed to relatives--including recipes >from two of my
German great-grandmothers. I expanded my search by calling cousins of my
parents and grandparents and asking them to go through their old recipe
boxes for family recipes. Low and behold--the recipes have started to pour
in--and many of them are arriving with family stories attached. One cousin
sent my great-great-grandmother's chocolate cake recipe, writing that it
was the cake she served in her bakery in downtown St. Paul, MN in the
1880s! Well, I never knew that she had a bakery in downtown St. Paul, so
now I have a recipe AND a new area of research! Another relative--who has
recently discovered that our common heritage is Russian Jewish--found in
her old recipe box the family's recipe for matzo balls and pickled beets
(this should have been a tip off long ago!)

It may be my imagination, but it seems that it has been easier to call some
of the distant relatives about family recipes rather than about family
trees. Everyone has been eager to revisit their recipe box--looking at it
in ways they haven't for years,if ever. I have now collected over 80
family recipes, including favorites >from the current generation. I intend
to type the recipes into a little family history cook book--and I'll
include a family chart, photos and some of the stories.

Perhaps this idea will help other researchers too.

Sincerely,

Carol Adler Zsolnay at gmz262@nwu.edu


Re: Minsk Uezd (District) Project #belarus

cohentalk@...
 

Sorry if I am repeating the question--I am very confused by the "movement" of
towns and uezd's. Included in the Minsk Uezd Project, I expected to see
Slutsk listed.
Why isn't it incuded? Or do I have district and province mixed up again?

Thanks for having patience with me : ).
Linda Cohen
MichiganUSA

MODERATOR'S NOTE: On Aug. 11, 1998, Vitaly Charny posted a message to
this discussion group in which he listed the Uezds (Districts) in Minsk
Gubernia (Province). Also included are the major towns located in the
Uezds. Appended was a list of smalller towns and shtetls which were
included in Minsk Gubernia without reference to which uezd they were
located. Readers can go to the SIG archives >from the JewishGen homepage
and read the complete orginal message or any other prior postings for that
matter. It appears >from Vitaly's 1897-1898 list that Slutsk was town
located in Slutsk Uezd which is part of Minsk Gubernia. A portion of his
message is repeated below since many members of this discussion group were
not subscribed on Aug. 11. The numbers after the names below are
Jewish population/total population. The Minsk Uezd project includes data
prior to the 1917 revolution.

Data 1897-1898

Minsk Gubernia 345015 - Jews (2,147621 - all population)
among them in towns 133617 (224945)

1.Minsk Uyezd 65029 (277149)
Minsk 47561 (90912)

2.Bobruisk Uyezd 49708 (255935)
Bobruisk 20759 (34366)

3.Borisov Uyezd 26822 (238231)
Borisov 7722 (15063)
Dokshitsi 2762 (3642)

4.Igumen Uyezd 28919 (234792)
Igumen 2817 (4573)
(Cherven' in Soviet time - vc)

5.Mozyr Uyezd 29508 (181161)
Mozyr 5631 (8076)

6.Novogrudok Uyezd 30482 (247320)
Novogrudok 5015 (7887)

7.Pinsk Uyezd 45119 (230763)
Pinsk 21065 (28368)

8.Rechitsa Uyezd 28522 (221771)
Rechitsa 5334 (9280)

9.Slutsk Uyezd 40906 (260499)
Slutsk 10264 (14349)
Nesvizh 4687 (8459)


Belarus SIG #Belarus Re: Minsk Uezd (District) Project #belarus

cohentalk@...
 

Sorry if I am repeating the question--I am very confused by the "movement" of
towns and uezd's. Included in the Minsk Uezd Project, I expected to see
Slutsk listed.
Why isn't it incuded? Or do I have district and province mixed up again?

Thanks for having patience with me : ).
Linda Cohen
MichiganUSA

MODERATOR'S NOTE: On Aug. 11, 1998, Vitaly Charny posted a message to
this discussion group in which he listed the Uezds (Districts) in Minsk
Gubernia (Province). Also included are the major towns located in the
Uezds. Appended was a list of smalller towns and shtetls which were
included in Minsk Gubernia without reference to which uezd they were
located. Readers can go to the SIG archives >from the JewishGen homepage
and read the complete orginal message or any other prior postings for that
matter. It appears >from Vitaly's 1897-1898 list that Slutsk was town
located in Slutsk Uezd which is part of Minsk Gubernia. A portion of his
message is repeated below since many members of this discussion group were
not subscribed on Aug. 11. The numbers after the names below are
Jewish population/total population. The Minsk Uezd project includes data
prior to the 1917 revolution.

Data 1897-1898

Minsk Gubernia 345015 - Jews (2,147621 - all population)
among them in towns 133617 (224945)

1.Minsk Uyezd 65029 (277149)
Minsk 47561 (90912)

2.Bobruisk Uyezd 49708 (255935)
Bobruisk 20759 (34366)

3.Borisov Uyezd 26822 (238231)
Borisov 7722 (15063)
Dokshitsi 2762 (3642)

4.Igumen Uyezd 28919 (234792)
Igumen 2817 (4573)
(Cherven' in Soviet time - vc)

5.Mozyr Uyezd 29508 (181161)
Mozyr 5631 (8076)

6.Novogrudok Uyezd 30482 (247320)
Novogrudok 5015 (7887)

7.Pinsk Uyezd 45119 (230763)
Pinsk 21065 (28368)

8.Rechitsa Uyezd 28522 (221771)
Rechitsa 5334 (9280)

9.Slutsk Uyezd 40906 (260499)
Slutsk 10264 (14349)
Nesvizh 4687 (8459)


Re: Yone Mordechai NUTKEVICH #general

ada01@...
 

Shalom,

I am trying to help a friend and his family, Moshe NUTKEVICH ,
who wish to trace what happened to his brother, Yona Mordechai
NUTKEVICH during the Holocaust. For over 55 years they are trying, without
much success.

Moshe is the son of the Rabbi Natan Neta NUTKEVICH
born in the small town of Bielsk, Poland (near Plock) and served as the
Rabbi of Gombin (years 1922-1933) and Rypin (years 1933-Holocaust).
He married Raca Raizel nee ZOLNA >from gombin and had two sons. One, Moshe,
is still alive, and I post this inquiry for him. The second son,
Yona Mordechai ("Motek"), disappeared without leaving any traces, like
million of others, but his brother never stopped hoping to find any piece
of information regarding the circumstances of the disappearance of Yona
Mordechai NUTKEVICH and his fate during the Holocaust.

I have posted the information known about the father, the Rabbi, >from Dr.
Emanuel Ringelblum "Oneg Shabat" archive at my web site:
http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/4017/nutkevic/NUTKEVIC.HTM
and this documents the heroic resistance of the Rabbi, in the last hour
of his life to the Nazis and their collaborators.

Antek Zukerman of blessed memory, the surviving
leader of the Ghetto Warsaw uprising, informed Moshe Nutkevich more
than 20 years ago that during the Warsaw uprising, Yona Mordechai
NUTKEVICH was the deputy of "Beit'ar" leader in the underground.
One of the Warriors Organizations in the Warsaw Ghetto underground was of
"Beit'ar". A group of 20 fighters, Yona Mordechai NUTKEVICH among them,
decided very short time before the revolt, to cross the ghetto and move to
the Aryan side through the drainage system. Zukerman and his friends in the
leadership of the underground, tried to dissuade them not to try, being too
dangerous, but they decided to go ahead. Nobody survived this trial, as
gas was sent by the Germans into the drainage pipes and suffocated them
all. This testimony was never confirmed by any other sources.

The Jewish Agency in Jerusalem, the Section of "Search of Missing
Relatives", informed the family many years ago that two people can give
information about Yona Mordechai NUTKEVICH during the War.
These were:
Pola ROTHBART who immigrated >from Israel to Canada and Pola FIWAK.

Please if anyone of you know one of those two women, or their relatives,
kindly contact me soon. Any information available about "Beit'ar"
in the ghetto Warsaw uprising will be highly appreciated.


Ada Holtzman
ada01@netvision.net.il
Web site: http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/4017/


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Yone Mordechai NUTKEVICH #general

ada01@...
 

Shalom,

I am trying to help a friend and his family, Moshe NUTKEVICH ,
who wish to trace what happened to his brother, Yona Mordechai
NUTKEVICH during the Holocaust. For over 55 years they are trying, without
much success.

Moshe is the son of the Rabbi Natan Neta NUTKEVICH
born in the small town of Bielsk, Poland (near Plock) and served as the
Rabbi of Gombin (years 1922-1933) and Rypin (years 1933-Holocaust).
He married Raca Raizel nee ZOLNA >from gombin and had two sons. One, Moshe,
is still alive, and I post this inquiry for him. The second son,
Yona Mordechai ("Motek"), disappeared without leaving any traces, like
million of others, but his brother never stopped hoping to find any piece
of information regarding the circumstances of the disappearance of Yona
Mordechai NUTKEVICH and his fate during the Holocaust.

I have posted the information known about the father, the Rabbi, >from Dr.
Emanuel Ringelblum "Oneg Shabat" archive at my web site:
http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/4017/nutkevic/NUTKEVIC.HTM
and this documents the heroic resistance of the Rabbi, in the last hour
of his life to the Nazis and their collaborators.

Antek Zukerman of blessed memory, the surviving
leader of the Ghetto Warsaw uprising, informed Moshe Nutkevich more
than 20 years ago that during the Warsaw uprising, Yona Mordechai
NUTKEVICH was the deputy of "Beit'ar" leader in the underground.
One of the Warriors Organizations in the Warsaw Ghetto underground was of
"Beit'ar". A group of 20 fighters, Yona Mordechai NUTKEVICH among them,
decided very short time before the revolt, to cross the ghetto and move to
the Aryan side through the drainage system. Zukerman and his friends in the
leadership of the underground, tried to dissuade them not to try, being too
dangerous, but they decided to go ahead. Nobody survived this trial, as
gas was sent by the Germans into the drainage pipes and suffocated them
all. This testimony was never confirmed by any other sources.

The Jewish Agency in Jerusalem, the Section of "Search of Missing
Relatives", informed the family many years ago that two people can give
information about Yona Mordechai NUTKEVICH during the War.
These were:
Pola ROTHBART who immigrated >from Israel to Canada and Pola FIWAK.

Please if anyone of you know one of those two women, or their relatives,
kindly contact me soon. Any information available about "Beit'ar"
in the ghetto Warsaw uprising will be highly appreciated.


Ada Holtzman
ada01@netvision.net.il
Web site: http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/4017/