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HAMBURG / GAMBURG #general

George A <georgead@...>
 

My maiden name of Hamburg (in Russian, which does not have an "h", it
is known as Gamburg) suggests to me that my family - which as far back
as my grandparents remembered was always based in Minsk in Byelorussia
(Belarus as it is now called) - emigrated >from Germany to Russia.

I have 2 questions of anyone who can help:
1. Does my maiden name indicate that the family originated in Germany?
2. Given that many Sefardi Jews lived in Hamburg, is it stretching
plausibility to guess that our family is of Sefardi origin?

Regards
Isabella Adamowicz (nee Gamburg)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen HAMBURG / GAMBURG #general

George A <georgead@...>
 

My maiden name of Hamburg (in Russian, which does not have an "h", it
is known as Gamburg) suggests to me that my family - which as far back
as my grandparents remembered was always based in Minsk in Byelorussia
(Belarus as it is now called) - emigrated >from Germany to Russia.

I have 2 questions of anyone who can help:
1. Does my maiden name indicate that the family originated in Germany?
2. Given that many Sefardi Jews lived in Hamburg, is it stretching
plausibility to guess that our family is of Sefardi origin?

Regards
Isabella Adamowicz (nee Gamburg)


Searching ROTHMAN #general

Alan Rothman <arothman@...>
 

I am looking for ROTHMANS and ROSENS that came to the US >from Kubelsk
Russia. The immigration date is unknown. Both parties would have been
born around 1858.

Thank you in advance for your assistance in this matter.

Alan


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Searching ROTHMAN #general

Alan Rothman <arothman@...>
 

I am looking for ROTHMANS and ROSENS that came to the US >from Kubelsk
Russia. The immigration date is unknown. Both parties would have been
born around 1858.

Thank you in advance for your assistance in this matter.

Alan


Buckstein #general

Finey@...
 

My typing leaves a bit to be desired. The correct date for Max
Buckstein's arrival in America should be 1900, not 1990. Thanks.
Bob Fineberg
Dr Robert P Fineberg, Colorado Springs, CO. FINEY@KKTV.COM-See our
family site at Http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Wood/9167/


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Buckstein #general

Finey@...
 

My typing leaves a bit to be desired. The correct date for Max
Buckstein's arrival in America should be 1900, not 1990. Thanks.
Bob Fineberg
Dr Robert P Fineberg, Colorado Springs, CO. FINEY@KKTV.COM-See our
family site at Http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Wood/9167/


Re: Hersh vs Gersh #general

A.Sharon <a.sharon@...>
 

Howard M. Rensin wrote:

I have heard that the name Hersh does not really exist in
Russian and that it is Gersh. The use of Hersh is a 'yiddishized'
adaptation. Since this might be important in Russian research,
does anyone know if this is correct?
Howard

Howard M. Rensin,
Glenwood,MD
hrensin@erols.com
Searching: RENSIN,RENZIN,KALLET,KALETZKY,KLIAZKO

Russian alphabet does not have an equivalent or sound of the Latin
letter "H". This sound and letter are substituted with the letter "G"
which in Russian appears as Greek letter "Gamma". Subsequently, Hersh
will be written and sound in Russian as Gersh, and Honduras will be
Gonduras and Haiti will be Gaiti, and Honolulu will be Gonolulu. And
obviously in Russian, Henrich is Gienrich, Herman is German, Heine is
Geine, and even the poor prince Hamlet is known to Russians as Gamlet.
And your name, Howard will be known as Gavard. by the way, name Hersh is
actually pronounced as Gyersh.

On the other hand, sometimes "H" is replace with the letter and sound
"X" which in Russian is an equivalent to the sound "Kh", like in
Khrushchev. And in this case Haim, is known as Xaim (Chaim, Khaim) and
Hanna as Xana (Chana or Khana), and Helsinki is known as Khelsinki and
beautiful Haifa is just a plain Khaifa.

Sometimes Russians drop letter "H" altogether (as in Hebrew "hey"), and
in this case in Russian, Hindustan is known as "Industan", and the Spain
(Hispania) is known as "Ispania".

To amuse you and to provide some more confusion to this issue:
Ukrainians do not pronounce letter "G" at all, this is pronounced as
"H".
Written "Gersh" is pronounced as "Hersh", which brings as fortunately
back to the square one of this discussion

Why this particular Gersh - Hersh combination bothers you anyway?
Russians didn't write names in Latin characters, and on top of
everything, all hand written records were in a mercy of a drunk
anti-Semitic scribe, who was paid by the Tzar's government, and his job
was to make life miserable to our poor ancestors and, consequently to
the all of us.

If you seriously consider to carry out research of the original sources,
you should master Russian (Cyrillic) alphabet and perhaps take some
basic Russian. It should be a bit easier than studies for Barmitzva.

Alexander Sharon,
Calgary, Alberta, Canada


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Hersh vs Gersh #general

A.Sharon <a.sharon@...>
 

Howard M. Rensin wrote:

I have heard that the name Hersh does not really exist in
Russian and that it is Gersh. The use of Hersh is a 'yiddishized'
adaptation. Since this might be important in Russian research,
does anyone know if this is correct?
Howard

Howard M. Rensin,
Glenwood,MD
hrensin@erols.com
Searching: RENSIN,RENZIN,KALLET,KALETZKY,KLIAZKO

Russian alphabet does not have an equivalent or sound of the Latin
letter "H". This sound and letter are substituted with the letter "G"
which in Russian appears as Greek letter "Gamma". Subsequently, Hersh
will be written and sound in Russian as Gersh, and Honduras will be
Gonduras and Haiti will be Gaiti, and Honolulu will be Gonolulu. And
obviously in Russian, Henrich is Gienrich, Herman is German, Heine is
Geine, and even the poor prince Hamlet is known to Russians as Gamlet.
And your name, Howard will be known as Gavard. by the way, name Hersh is
actually pronounced as Gyersh.

On the other hand, sometimes "H" is replace with the letter and sound
"X" which in Russian is an equivalent to the sound "Kh", like in
Khrushchev. And in this case Haim, is known as Xaim (Chaim, Khaim) and
Hanna as Xana (Chana or Khana), and Helsinki is known as Khelsinki and
beautiful Haifa is just a plain Khaifa.

Sometimes Russians drop letter "H" altogether (as in Hebrew "hey"), and
in this case in Russian, Hindustan is known as "Industan", and the Spain
(Hispania) is known as "Ispania".

To amuse you and to provide some more confusion to this issue:
Ukrainians do not pronounce letter "G" at all, this is pronounced as
"H".
Written "Gersh" is pronounced as "Hersh", which brings as fortunately
back to the square one of this discussion

Why this particular Gersh - Hersh combination bothers you anyway?
Russians didn't write names in Latin characters, and on top of
everything, all hand written records were in a mercy of a drunk
anti-Semitic scribe, who was paid by the Tzar's government, and his job
was to make life miserable to our poor ancestors and, consequently to
the all of us.

If you seriously consider to carry out research of the original sources,
you should master Russian (Cyrillic) alphabet and perhaps take some
basic Russian. It should be a bit easier than studies for Barmitzva.

Alexander Sharon,
Calgary, Alberta, Canada


stonegrave...words #general

shimonoz <shimonoz@...>
 

Hello to all!
In volume || of the book "Zikaron Saloniki" page 96 I saw ~50 abbreviations
copied >from stonegraves (before the were destroyed)it seems to me that they
differ >from words engraved in Israel.Probably they matched the spirit of
the era.

Shimon Ouziel
Adirim st #4
Tel Aviv yaffo 69184 Israel
Tel 03-6842089


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen stonegrave...words #general

shimonoz <shimonoz@...>
 

Hello to all!
In volume || of the book "Zikaron Saloniki" page 96 I saw ~50 abbreviations
copied >from stonegraves (before the were destroyed)it seems to me that they
differ >from words engraved in Israel.Probably they matched the spirit of
the era.

Shimon Ouziel
Adirim st #4
Tel Aviv yaffo 69184 Israel
Tel 03-6842089


Changing Borders:A History Lesson, Please? #general

Sandhaus <sandhaus@...>
 

First, please let me thank all of the wonderful people who have written me
during the past few weeks with information concerning the various shtetls
associated with my family tree. That information has proven invaluable.

Second, as some of you may know, I am putting together a web page which, among
other things, contains information and links regarding those shtetls. I would
like for the page to have a brief summary which discusses the various border
changes in the Ukraine / Austria-Hungary / Poland / Romania areas >from the
mid-1800's to the present.

Once again, I'd like to exploit the good graces of the geography mavens out
there in hyperspace: if anybody would be kind enough to put together such a
summary, I would be honored to place the article on my web page, giving full
and proper credit to the author(s). In the alternative, if anybody could
suggest a link which effectively does the same thing, that would be greatly
appreciated.

Thank you,
Buck Sandhaus
SANDHAUS@aol.com
http://members.aol.com/Sandhaus/genealogy.html

Researching:
Czernowitz (Romania) Debica (Poland)
Dobromil (Ukraine) Glinitsa (Ukraine)
Koteshty (Moldova) Ropschitz (Poland)
Rzeszow (Poland) Sandhausen (Germany)
Sanok (Poland) Skazintsy (Ukraine)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Changing Borders:A History Lesson, Please? #general

Sandhaus <sandhaus@...>
 

First, please let me thank all of the wonderful people who have written me
during the past few weeks with information concerning the various shtetls
associated with my family tree. That information has proven invaluable.

Second, as some of you may know, I am putting together a web page which, among
other things, contains information and links regarding those shtetls. I would
like for the page to have a brief summary which discusses the various border
changes in the Ukraine / Austria-Hungary / Poland / Romania areas >from the
mid-1800's to the present.

Once again, I'd like to exploit the good graces of the geography mavens out
there in hyperspace: if anybody would be kind enough to put together such a
summary, I would be honored to place the article on my web page, giving full
and proper credit to the author(s). In the alternative, if anybody could
suggest a link which effectively does the same thing, that would be greatly
appreciated.

Thank you,
Buck Sandhaus
SANDHAUS@aol.com
http://members.aol.com/Sandhaus/genealogy.html

Researching:
Czernowitz (Romania) Debica (Poland)
Dobromil (Ukraine) Glinitsa (Ukraine)
Koteshty (Moldova) Ropschitz (Poland)
Rzeszow (Poland) Sandhausen (Germany)
Sanok (Poland) Skazintsy (Ukraine)


Re: Whys and wherefores of Jewish immigration to Canada #general

Paul Silverstone <paulh@...>
 

I refer you to a thesis which is in the library or archives in Winnipeg:
'The Old Clo' Move': Anti-Semitism, Politics and the Jews of Winnipeg 1882-1921
by Henry M. Trachtenberg, written in 1984.

The first chapter gives much information about the formation and arrival in
Winnipeg of the group who arrived there in 1882. About 350 Jews were in this
group which founded the Jewish community of the city.
Paul Silverstone
New York

Barbara Siegel wrote:

Dear Jewishgenners,
I am looking for information re Jewish immigration patterns >from Europe to
Canada, especially during the second half of the 19th century. I am
assuming that the major waves of Jewish immigration to Canada took place
after the first World War as a result of the restricted quotas on entrance
to the U.S. What were the circumstances that resulted in earlier Jewish
immigration to Canada as opposed to the U.S., the destination chosen by the
majority of Jews >from Eastern Europe?

I am not referring to the use of Canada as a transit point on the way to the
U.S., but to those who remained permanently in Canada. >>>>>>>>>SNIP


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Whys and wherefores of Jewish immigration to Canada #general

Paul Silverstone <paulh@...>
 

I refer you to a thesis which is in the library or archives in Winnipeg:
'The Old Clo' Move': Anti-Semitism, Politics and the Jews of Winnipeg 1882-1921
by Henry M. Trachtenberg, written in 1984.

The first chapter gives much information about the formation and arrival in
Winnipeg of the group who arrived there in 1882. About 350 Jews were in this
group which founded the Jewish community of the city.
Paul Silverstone
New York

Barbara Siegel wrote:

Dear Jewishgenners,
I am looking for information re Jewish immigration patterns >from Europe to
Canada, especially during the second half of the 19th century. I am
assuming that the major waves of Jewish immigration to Canada took place
after the first World War as a result of the restricted quotas on entrance
to the U.S. What were the circumstances that resulted in earlier Jewish
immigration to Canada as opposed to the U.S., the destination chosen by the
majority of Jews >from Eastern Europe?

I am not referring to the use of Canada as a transit point on the way to the
U.S., but to those who remained permanently in Canada. >>>>>>>>>SNIP


Data bases #latvia

Martha Lev-Zion <martha@...>
 

I am on the Litvak mailing list as well as this one and I wonder why we
can't arrange to do something like they have done with their posting
databases to their website. Now that we know all the LDS films on the
different cities of Latvia [see AVOTAYNU V.14, No. 2, p. 24] couldn't
we all share the burden and post those vital stats to some database
that we could post on our website? Is anyone else interested in doing
such a project? [I am not sure how to proceed, but some of you out
there no doubt have experience in this sort of thing!]


Martha in Israel


Researching:

<bigger>LIEBERTHAL (Latvia/Lithuania) Anyplace in the world.

HIM(M)ELHOCH (Latvia) Anyplace in the world.

</bigger>


Latvia SIG #Latvia Data bases #latvia

Martha Lev-Zion <martha@...>
 

I am on the Litvak mailing list as well as this one and I wonder why we
can't arrange to do something like they have done with their posting
databases to their website. Now that we know all the LDS films on the
different cities of Latvia [see AVOTAYNU V.14, No. 2, p. 24] couldn't
we all share the burden and post those vital stats to some database
that we could post on our website? Is anyone else interested in doing
such a project? [I am not sure how to proceed, but some of you out
there no doubt have experience in this sort of thing!]


Martha in Israel


Researching:

<bigger>LIEBERTHAL (Latvia/Lithuania) Anyplace in the world.

HIM(M)ELHOCH (Latvia) Anyplace in the world.

</bigger>


Lost grtgrandmother-Fredenburgh #general

SKenwo9103 <skenwo9103@...>
 

Seeking any information on a Sieomone FREDENBURGH that lived in England
and Mold, Wales about 1900 to 1925.Her whispered traditions of Jewish traditions still live on today even though she was told to stop.
Pamela Larsen
SKenwo9103@aol.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Lost grtgrandmother-Fredenburgh #general

SKenwo9103 <skenwo9103@...>
 

Seeking any information on a Sieomone FREDENBURGH that lived in England
and Mold, Wales about 1900 to 1925.Her whispered traditions of Jewish traditions still live on today even though she was told to stop.
Pamela Larsen
SKenwo9103@aol.com


HANS #general

Alexandra Vozick Hans <vozick@...>
 

We are looking for a response that was lost >from someone who recognized
the HANS name >from Transylvania, the Mamarosh area, the town of Kretchenev.
Perhaps the respondent was named "Michael". Would you please email me
directly with any information about Pincus and Anna Dub Hans and there 8
children. My late father in law, their son was Harry Hans. Thank you
Alexandra Vozick Hans


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen HANS #general

Alexandra Vozick Hans <vozick@...>
 

We are looking for a response that was lost >from someone who recognized
the HANS name >from Transylvania, the Mamarosh area, the town of Kretchenev.
Perhaps the respondent was named "Michael". Would you please email me
directly with any information about Pincus and Anna Dub Hans and there 8
children. My late father in law, their son was Harry Hans. Thank you
Alexandra Vozick Hans