There is a village called Ohovo, about 30 kilometers >from Pinsk. More exact:
it is necessary to leave Pinsk to the main road Gomel - Brest, to turn left,
and after about 10 kilometers to turn right; and after traveling about 6
kilometers, there is Ohovo.

Eliyahu Tavger
Israel

There is a village called Ohovo, about 30 kilometers >from Pinsk. More exact:
it is necessary to leave Pinsk to the main road Gomel - Brest, to turn left,
and after about 10 kilometers to turn right; and after traveling about 6
kilometers, there is Ohovo.

Eliyahu Tavger
Israel

I'm looking for relatives with surnames Sherak, Garfunkel (or Garfinkle)
and Lokerman. The Sherak family comes >from Sienawa, Poland.

I am also trying to find someone who knows anything about a shtetl by the
name of Tartakov in Eastern Galicia. The Zolkower family came >from there,
but I know very little about this city. I am also trying to find out
information about a shtetl called Krystanopol (near the Bug River) in
Eastern Galicia where my grandmother was born.

Any help would be greatly appreciated!

Harry Zolkower
Annapolis, Maryland

Just received a copy of social Security application form for a Sarah
Zimmerman born 1876 in the Ukraine. On it she lists her fathers name as
Edel LEIDER & where it says mothers name is recorded: Leah UNK. Not certain
if UNK is a rather uncommon family name or an abreviation for the word
unknown. Was writing Unk when family names were not known done in 1966? Or
could just be a mispelling of something else? Thanks for any comments
either direct or to the group on this mystery.

Regards
Howard Sedlitz, New York
Also researching: TEPLITSKY, MALLAMANT/ MELAMED, BERG-In Ukraine,
SIEDLECKI, SEDLETSKY, FRYMORGEN, BOROFSKY, BARASHICK-in Poland

I'm looking for relatives with surnames Sherak, Garfunkel (or Garfinkle)
and Lokerman. The Sherak family comes >from Sienawa, Poland.

I am also trying to find someone who knows anything about a shtetl by the
name of Tartakov in Eastern Galicia. The Zolkower family came >from there,
but I know very little about this city. I am also trying to find out
information about a shtetl called Krystanopol (near the Bug River) in
Eastern Galicia where my grandmother was born.

Any help would be greatly appreciated!

Harry Zolkower
Annapolis, Maryland

Just received a copy of social Security application form for a Sarah
Zimmerman born 1876 in the Ukraine. On it she lists her fathers name as
Edel LEIDER & where it says mothers name is recorded: Leah UNK. Not certain
if UNK is a rather uncommon family name or an abreviation for the word
unknown. Was writing Unk when family names were not known done in 1966? Or
could just be a mispelling of something else? Thanks for any comments
either direct or to the group on this mystery.

Regards
Howard Sedlitz, New York
Also researching: TEPLITSKY, MALLAMANT/ MELAMED, BERG-In Ukraine,
SIEDLECKI, SEDLETSKY, FRYMORGEN, BOROFSKY, BARASHICK-in Poland

Seeking information on the above and following: 1920 Census, City of
Springfield,Sangamon Co,Illinois Listed 1)Ishmael, Betty - Head of House,
age 34 2) Bina - daughter, age 17 and 3) Melvin - son age 15. Melvin Edward
Merdell enlisted in the Army at Philadelphia, Pa Dec 1927 and later lister
his sister, who at this time was Bina Maria Rogers, this was also on her
death certificate with the information supplied by her son Hobart. Any
information on any of the above would begreatly appericated.

Robert James Merdell,
Arlington, VA

Seeking information on the above and following: 1920 Census, City of
Springfield,Sangamon Co,Illinois Listed 1)Ishmael, Betty - Head of House,
age 34 2) Bina - daughter, age 17 and 3) Melvin - son age 15. Melvin Edward
Merdell enlisted in the Army at Philadelphia, Pa Dec 1927 and later lister
his sister, who at this time was Bina Maria Rogers, this was also on her
death certificate with the information supplied by her son Hobart. Any
information on any of the above would begreatly appericated.

Robert James Merdell,
Arlington, VA

Hi all,

I am looking for an information about STURMWIND
family >from Krakow . Some members of the family left
for Viena on 1870 . I know that few years ago died in
Tarnow one Jozef Sturmwind . There are also some
Sturmwind's in Canada , but I don't know if they are

from Krakow .

Jacob Laor / Israel

Hi all,

I am looking for an information about STURMWIND
family >from Krakow . Some members of the family left
for Viena on 1870 . I know that few years ago died in
Tarnow one Jozef Sturmwind . There are also some
Sturmwind's in Canada , but I don't know if they are

from Krakow .

Jacob Laor / Israel

I believe that I am a cousin to David and Leonard Wolfson in England. I
would appreciate any information on how I can contact them.

Thank you

Allan Wolfson

e-mail address: ireenew@...

I believe that I am a cousin to David and Leonard Wolfson in England. I
would appreciate any information on how I can contact them.

Thank you

Allan Wolfson

e-mail address: ireenew@...

Recently took pictures of family tombstones while visiting in Chicago.
Thought that I had identified the graves of two cousins until I took a
closer look at their fathers' Hebrew names. One's father was named Schlame
Itzhak and the other's father was named Mordechai Itzhak. Presumably these
fathers were brothers, however it now seems unlikely as they both have the
same second Hebrew name of "Itzhak".

My Question, is it possible that brothers would be given the same Hebrew
name if it is a second name?

--
Marshall Schaffner
Martinez, CA Searching: ERKES, SHOTKIN, KOROSTYCHEVSKY,ZALMAN

Recently took pictures of family tombstones while visiting in Chicago.
Thought that I had identified the graves of two cousins until I took a
closer look at their fathers' Hebrew names. One's father was named Schlame
Itzhak and the other's father was named Mordechai Itzhak. Presumably these
fathers were brothers, however it now seems unlikely as they both have the
same second Hebrew name of "Itzhak".

My Question, is it possible that brothers would be given the same Hebrew
name if it is a second name?

--
Marshall Schaffner
Martinez, CA Searching: ERKES, SHOTKIN, KOROSTYCHEVSKY,ZALMAN

Was it customary to obtain two different NYC marriage certificates when
the civil and religious marriages occurred on different dates? If not,
does anyone have any ideas as to why there were two marriage certificates?

Let's see if we can clear this mystery up once and for all, as there have
been hundreds of postings regarding marriage records in NYC over the past
couple of years. The cause for confusion among even knowledgeable
JewishGenners is due to a is lack of understanding of the basic local laws.
A cursory knowledge of the law behind these legal documents will
facilitate a better understanding of both its form and substance. There
are two questions to be answered here. First, between 1908 and 1937, BOTH
the NYC Clerk's Office AND the NYC Department of Health maintained marriage
records. That is the explaination, plain and simple. Second, if you
carefully read these two marriage documents, you will notice that the NYC
Department of Health record is a marriage CERTIFICATE, while the NYC
Clerk's Office record consists of both a LICENSE and a CERTIFICATE. A
marriage license was required to be obtained before the couple could be
legally married. Once the license was issued, the couple had 90 days in
which to be married, either by a Judge, authorized civil clerk or a Rabbi.
The existance of only a license (but no certificate) does not meant that
the couple were actually married. The marriage certificate is evidence
that the couple were legally married (by a Rabbi or otherwise) and is
signed by the couple, the witnesses and the person performing the ceremony.
The two different dates Ms. Peskin referrs to are the date the City Clerk
signed and issued the license (the earlier date) and the date the ceremony
was actually performed by the Rabbi. This later date is the date of the
marriage and is the date which should appear on the Ketubah. There is
another very important issue which I am compelled to address. People often
refer to a "civil" marriage as opposed to a "religious/Jewish" marriage.
This is a misnomer, and there is really no such thing. A civil marriage is
one where a civil clerk or Judge performs the ceremony. A religious
marriage is where the ceremony is peformed by a clergyman. But,
nevertheless, in a Jewish wedding, before the Rabbi could or would legally
marry them, the couple was required to obtain a marriage license >from the
City Clerk (there is a sub-issue relating to which county the certificate
was to be obtained from, but I will not address that here) and present this
license to the Rabbi prior to the ceremony, and the Rabbi would file it
with the City Clerk and/or Department of Health (depending on which
document it was) after the ceremony was performed. Therefore, a
"religious" marriage always generated a "civil" marriage record, and you
could NOT have ONLY a "Jewish marriage" without a "civil marriage" because
the marriage would not be legal! (Although it might be considered legal
under Jewish law.) All those many instances in the past where
JewishGenners have posted messages stating "I cannot find the civil
marriage certificate in NYC for my grandparents and therefore they must
have had only a religious ceremony and not a civil ceremony" cannot be
correct. It only means that the certificate was never filed by the Rabbi
or was misfiled or misindexed or lost or accidently destroyed. In
summation, all Jewish/religious marriages in NYC were also considered civil
marriages if they were legal and a marriage license was obtained before,
and a certificate was filed after. Of course, this holds true only after
such time that the civil authorities required that marriage licenses be
obtained and certificates be filed, but I do not know the date in NYC
after which these documents were required.

Mark Nearenberg, Esq.
New York City

MODERATOR NOTE: This useful post provides additional details beyond what
is contained in the JewishGen InfoFile on New York City vital records,
which can be found at <http://www.jewishgen.org/infofiles/ny-vital.html>.
The InfoFile contains information about birth and death records as well as
repositories and availability. It will be useful to most researchers with
interests in New York City.

Please excuse this inquiry, but I don't know the proper way to search
utilizing the group.

RE:Surnames WAYNE, AND COHEN

My grandmother, Etta Wayne, was the daughter of Rabbi Hessel Wayne, who
presided over the Orthodox Jewish Temple of Kansas City, Mo. circa 1900.
My grandfather was Leon J. Cohen, born in Russia, Dec. 25, 1875 and died in
St. Louis on the same day in 1917. My grandfather was mentioned in the
"Centennial History of Missouri", page 813.
He was a member of the National Committe for the relief of Jewish war
sufferers. He married Etta Wayne in 1900.

Sincerely,
Rodger Cooper
Buddycoop@...

MODERATOR NOTE: You're doing fine! Please note how we edited your subject
line. Check out the JewishGen Family Finder online at
<http://www.jewishgen.org/jgff>, and welcome to the group.

Was it customary to obtain two different NYC marriage certificates when
the civil and religious marriages occurred on different dates? If not,
does anyone have any ideas as to why there were two marriage certificates?

Let's see if we can clear this mystery up once and for all, as there have
been hundreds of postings regarding marriage records in NYC over the past
couple of years. The cause for confusion among even knowledgeable
JewishGenners is due to a is lack of understanding of the basic local laws.
A cursory knowledge of the law behind these legal documents will
facilitate a better understanding of both its form and substance. There
are two questions to be answered here. First, between 1908 and 1937, BOTH
the NYC Clerk's Office AND the NYC Department of Health maintained marriage
records. That is the explaination, plain and simple. Second, if you
carefully read these two marriage documents, you will notice that the NYC
Department of Health record is a marriage CERTIFICATE, while the NYC
Clerk's Office record consists of both a LICENSE and a CERTIFICATE. A
marriage license was required to be obtained before the couple could be
legally married. Once the license was issued, the couple had 90 days in
which to be married, either by a Judge, authorized civil clerk or a Rabbi.
The existance of only a license (but no certificate) does not meant that
the couple were actually married. The marriage certificate is evidence
that the couple were legally married (by a Rabbi or otherwise) and is
signed by the couple, the witnesses and the person performing the ceremony.
The two different dates Ms. Peskin referrs to are the date the City Clerk
signed and issued the license (the earlier date) and the date the ceremony
was actually performed by the Rabbi. This later date is the date of the
marriage and is the date which should appear on the Ketubah. There is
another very important issue which I am compelled to address. People often
refer to a "civil" marriage as opposed to a "religious/Jewish" marriage.
This is a misnomer, and there is really no such thing. A civil marriage is
one where a civil clerk or Judge performs the ceremony. A religious
marriage is where the ceremony is peformed by a clergyman. But,
nevertheless, in a Jewish wedding, before the Rabbi could or would legally
marry them, the couple was required to obtain a marriage license >from the
City Clerk (there is a sub-issue relating to which county the certificate
was to be obtained from, but I will not address that here) and present this
license to the Rabbi prior to the ceremony, and the Rabbi would file it
with the City Clerk and/or Department of Health (depending on which
document it was) after the ceremony was performed. Therefore, a
"religious" marriage always generated a "civil" marriage record, and you
could NOT have ONLY a "Jewish marriage" without a "civil marriage" because
the marriage would not be legal! (Although it might be considered legal
under Jewish law.) All those many instances in the past where
JewishGenners have posted messages stating "I cannot find the civil
marriage certificate in NYC for my grandparents and therefore they must
have had only a religious ceremony and not a civil ceremony" cannot be
correct. It only means that the certificate was never filed by the Rabbi
or was misfiled or misindexed or lost or accidently destroyed. In
summation, all Jewish/religious marriages in NYC were also considered civil
marriages if they were legal and a marriage license was obtained before,
and a certificate was filed after. Of course, this holds true only after
such time that the civil authorities required that marriage licenses be
obtained and certificates be filed, but I do not know the date in NYC
after which these documents were required.

Mark Nearenberg, Esq.
New York City

MODERATOR NOTE: This useful post provides additional details beyond what
is contained in the JewishGen InfoFile on New York City vital records,
which can be found at <http://www.jewishgen.org/infofiles/ny-vital.html>.
The InfoFile contains information about birth and death records as well as
repositories and availability. It will be useful to most researchers with
interests in New York City.

Please excuse this inquiry, but I don't know the proper way to search
utilizing the group.

RE:Surnames WAYNE, AND COHEN

My grandmother, Etta Wayne, was the daughter of Rabbi Hessel Wayne, who
presided over the Orthodox Jewish Temple of Kansas City, Mo. circa 1900.
My grandfather was Leon J. Cohen, born in Russia, Dec. 25, 1875 and died in
St. Louis on the same day in 1917. My grandfather was mentioned in the
"Centennial History of Missouri", page 813.
He was a member of the National Committe for the relief of Jewish war
sufferers. He married Etta Wayne in 1900.

Sincerely,
Rodger Cooper
Buddycoop@...

MODERATOR NOTE: You're doing fine! Please note how we edited your subject
line. Check out the JewishGen Family Finder online at
<http://www.jewishgen.org/jgff>, and welcome to the group.

Please let us ALL know if you find such a person. There have been
several postings here looking for the same thing >from time to
time, including my own
Howard

Saul Klarer wrote:

--
Howard M. Rensin, KC3D
Glenwood,MD,21738
hrensin@...
Searching: RENSIN,RENZIN,KALLET,KALETZKY,KLIAZKO

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information pursue the matter by private e-mail.

Please let us ALL know if you find such a person. There have been
several postings here looking for the same thing >from time to
time, including my own
Howard

Saul Klarer wrote:

--
Howard M. Rensin, KC3D
Glenwood,MD,21738
hrensin@...
Searching: RENSIN,RENZIN,KALLET,KALETZKY,KLIAZKO

MODERATOR NOTE: We regret that the JewishGen Discussion Group is unable to
carry testimonials or recommendations (or condemnations, for that matter)
about individual genealogical researchers. We are aware that this policy
poses an inconvenience to many researchers, but it is necessary to protect
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