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Special marriage... #general

Eve Line Blum <blume@...>
 

We just look at the TV and saw a reporting about a marriage between two
lesbian women, which took place in Los Angeles a few days ago.

These two women were Jews, and the rabbi was a woman too.

My question is this one : we use the genealogical software *Brother's
Keeper", which just can't enter a marriage between two men or two women.

It seems that this case may arrive sooner or later anywhere and at any
family now. What can one do if such an eventuality arrives in ones'
family ? What about the family tree ?

Eve Line Blum
Besancon, France


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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Special marriage... #general

Eve Line Blum <blume@...>
 

We just look at the TV and saw a reporting about a marriage between two
lesbian women, which took place in Los Angeles a few days ago.

These two women were Jews, and the rabbi was a woman too.

My question is this one : we use the genealogical software *Brother's
Keeper", which just can't enter a marriage between two men or two women.

It seems that this case may arrive sooner or later anywhere and at any
family now. What can one do if such an eventuality arrives in ones'
family ? What about the family tree ?

Eve Line Blum
Besancon, France


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information about genealogy software. Messages addressing the
subject of the message will not be accepted as they are offtopic
for this forum. Since we cannot carry recommendations on specific
commercial software, please respond privately

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Re: First Papers #general

Stephen Kampf <skampf@...>
 

I just received some great stuff in the mail. Copies of "Declaration of
Intention" to become a citizen and "Petition for Naturalization" for my
birth grandfather. The new information in these documents will give my
search a new direction to follow. Some of the information is as
follows; his age when he filed these documents, a physical description
of him (short and fat, now I know where it came from), where he was
born, his birth date, his address at the time of filing the documents,
the port >from which he left Europe (and the name of the ship and the
date of arrival in the US), his wife's name and birth date, and the
names of their children and their birth dates, and the names of his
witnesses and their addresses. A lot to work with. E-mail to me if you
need information on how to get these documents. Steve

I sent the following letter to: National Archives, 201 Varick Street, New
York, NY 10014 ...

Gentlemen:

Please send me a copy of **Petition and Record of Naturalization**
for the following;

William SALTZMAN (born approx. 1884 in Russia - Poland)
and his spouse Esther SALTZMAN (born approx. 1891 in Russia - Poland)
last known address: Attourney Street, New York, NY.

I have enclosed a money order for $ 10.00.

Thank you, etc., etc.

NOTES: They did ask for a money order. Of course, put in your information
and include your snail mail address for the answer. It took 16 days to get the info.

good luck ... Steve

Harland Goldwater wrote:

I am looking for First Papers for someone who became a citizen in 1890.
He lived in Nebraska for the preceding five years. These papers are not
in the National Archives. Where would I look for them?
SNIP


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: First Papers #general

Stephen Kampf <skampf@...>
 

I just received some great stuff in the mail. Copies of "Declaration of
Intention" to become a citizen and "Petition for Naturalization" for my
birth grandfather. The new information in these documents will give my
search a new direction to follow. Some of the information is as
follows; his age when he filed these documents, a physical description
of him (short and fat, now I know where it came from), where he was
born, his birth date, his address at the time of filing the documents,
the port >from which he left Europe (and the name of the ship and the
date of arrival in the US), his wife's name and birth date, and the
names of their children and their birth dates, and the names of his
witnesses and their addresses. A lot to work with. E-mail to me if you
need information on how to get these documents. Steve

I sent the following letter to: National Archives, 201 Varick Street, New
York, NY 10014 ...

Gentlemen:

Please send me a copy of **Petition and Record of Naturalization**
for the following;

William SALTZMAN (born approx. 1884 in Russia - Poland)
and his spouse Esther SALTZMAN (born approx. 1891 in Russia - Poland)
last known address: Attourney Street, New York, NY.

I have enclosed a money order for $ 10.00.

Thank you, etc., etc.

NOTES: They did ask for a money order. Of course, put in your information
and include your snail mail address for the answer. It took 16 days to get the info.

good luck ... Steve

Harland Goldwater wrote:

I am looking for First Papers for someone who became a citizen in 1890.
He lived in Nebraska for the preceding five years. These papers are not
in the National Archives. Where would I look for them?
SNIP


Ya'akov NE'EMAN #general

Stan Goodman <sheol@...>
 

What, if anything, is known about the European background of the family of
Ya'akov NE'EMAN, currently the Finance MInister of Israel?

-------------
Stan Goodman
Qiryat Tiv'on
Israel

(Remove "takeout" >from domain; replace "sheol" with "stan". Sorry)

Searching:
NEACHOWICZ/NOACHOWICZ, NEJMAN/NAJMAN, ISMACH, ROKITA: >from Lomza Gubernia,
Poland
HERTANU, ABRAMOVICI, LAUER: >from Dorohoi District, Romania
GRISARU, VATARU: >from Iasi, Romania

See my interactive tree (requires Java 1.1 or better):
http://www.hashkedim.com
[You can download Java 1.1.6 >from my site, if you don't have it]


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Ya'akov NE'EMAN #general

Stan Goodman <sheol@...>
 

What, if anything, is known about the European background of the family of
Ya'akov NE'EMAN, currently the Finance MInister of Israel?

-------------
Stan Goodman
Qiryat Tiv'on
Israel

(Remove "takeout" >from domain; replace "sheol" with "stan". Sorry)

Searching:
NEACHOWICZ/NOACHOWICZ, NEJMAN/NAJMAN, ISMACH, ROKITA: >from Lomza Gubernia,
Poland
HERTANU, ABRAMOVICI, LAUER: >from Dorohoi District, Romania
GRISARU, VATARU: >from Iasi, Romania

See my interactive tree (requires Java 1.1 or better):
http://www.hashkedim.com
[You can download Java 1.1.6 >from my site, if you don't have it]


Re: KLASS 1920 - Help in Chicago IL requested #general

Grslt@...
 

In a message dated 11/22/98 Aubrey Jacobus wrote:

I would be happy to do reciprocal work in London for help in Chicago.

I have got good data on a KLASS family who were in Chicago 1920 .
-- I am completely unable to find the name of the father of the family head
SNIP
I read yor message. I am an ex-Chicagoian and I recommend that you contact
the Newberry Library. The specialize in research and have many old books,
especially Chicago telephone books, that around this time listed the persons' occupation. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>SNIP
Linda Olson
The Newberry Library - http://www.newberry.org.
Regards, Lisa THALER (Chicago) grslt@...


Baron de Hirsch/Connecticut #general

Anita Citron <anitac1@...>
 

I'm assuming the the AJHS's archives are being packed up now as are the
others that will soon be housed in the new Center for Jewish History in
Manhattan. Timing in life is everything. Perhaps then someone out there can
speculate on this with me:

I have often wondered how my grandparents ended up in CT for a few years.
My gf came here in 1891 or 93, my gm came over 1897. They came to NY but
two of my uncles were born in CT in 1898 and 1900 (don't know the town--I
tried New London for birth certs with no luck). By 1902 they were back in
NY (could have been sooner but my father was born in 02 and in NYC). Would
I be safe in assuming that they were trying out either a trade or farming
in CT with BdH funds? Chronologically it is the right period and they were
Russian/Polish.

Anita Citron
anitac1@...
Searching NADWORNY, SILVER (Odessa) MEDNIK/WILDMAN (Berdichev)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Re: KLASS 1920 - Help in Chicago IL requested #general

Grslt@...
 

In a message dated 11/22/98 Aubrey Jacobus wrote:

I would be happy to do reciprocal work in London for help in Chicago.

I have got good data on a KLASS family who were in Chicago 1920 .
-- I am completely unable to find the name of the father of the family head
SNIP
I read yor message. I am an ex-Chicagoian and I recommend that you contact
the Newberry Library. The specialize in research and have many old books,
especially Chicago telephone books, that around this time listed the persons' occupation. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>SNIP
Linda Olson
The Newberry Library - http://www.newberry.org.
Regards, Lisa THALER (Chicago) grslt@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Baron de Hirsch/Connecticut #general

Anita Citron <anitac1@...>
 

I'm assuming the the AJHS's archives are being packed up now as are the
others that will soon be housed in the new Center for Jewish History in
Manhattan. Timing in life is everything. Perhaps then someone out there can
speculate on this with me:

I have often wondered how my grandparents ended up in CT for a few years.
My gf came here in 1891 or 93, my gm came over 1897. They came to NY but
two of my uncles were born in CT in 1898 and 1900 (don't know the town--I
tried New London for birth certs with no luck). By 1902 they were back in
NY (could have been sooner but my father was born in 02 and in NYC). Would
I be safe in assuming that they were trying out either a trade or farming
in CT with BdH funds? Chronologically it is the right period and they were
Russian/Polish.

Anita Citron
anitac1@...
Searching NADWORNY, SILVER (Odessa) MEDNIK/WILDMAN (Berdichev)


Re: burial societies/Beider/B.Hirsh Cem. #general

Lil Marv <lilmarv@...>
 

Read your post of 11/20/98 and I have a question of clarification.
PLease explain what the "Beider books on Jewish surnames" are?
Where are they and how can I look at them?

Thanks for your help. Lil Marv

Searching for:
SCHWARZBER(IER) Chelm, Poland
STYCH (SZTYCH), Zamosc, Poland.

LILMARV@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: burial societies/Beider/B.Hirsh Cem. #general

Lil Marv <lilmarv@...>
 

Read your post of 11/20/98 and I have a question of clarification.
PLease explain what the "Beider books on Jewish surnames" are?
Where are they and how can I look at them?

Thanks for your help. Lil Marv

Searching for:
SCHWARZBER(IER) Chelm, Poland
STYCH (SZTYCH), Zamosc, Poland.

LILMARV@...


Re: Whys and wherefores of Jewish immigration to Canada #general

Marla Waltman Daschko <waltman@...>
 

Barbara Siegel wrote:

I am looking for information re Jewish immigration patterns from
Europe to Canada, especially during the second half of the 19th
century..... Also, I am very interested in reading accounts of the
Jewish immigration experience in Canada, and would appreciate some
suggestions.
I don't pretend to be an expert in Jewish immigration patterns from
Europe to Canada but I am aware of some published works which deal with
these early immigrants. Barbara, you may wish to read the following
published works:

"The Jews of Toronto: A History to 1937", by Stephen A. Speisman
(McClelland & Stewart, 1979)

"Taking Root: The Origins of the Canadian Jewish Community", by Gerald
Tulchinsky (Lester Publishing Limited, 1992).

In terms of personal reminiscences of immigration >from Europe to Canada
you might find parts of these books interesting:

">from our Lives" by Members of the Baycrest Terrace Memoirs Group,
Toronto (Mosaic Press, 1979).

"Growing Up Jewish: Canadians Tell Their Own Stories", Ed. by Rosalie
Sharp, Irving Abella and Edwin Goodman (McLelland & Stewart, 1997).

There are, of course, many other publications that might help answer
some of your questions but these are in my personal library and I find
them quite interesting and useful.

Marla Waltman Daschko
Nepean, Ontario, Canada
waltman@...

Researching:
KRAVCHEK - KRAWCZYK - KRAFT (Zhabokrich & Kryzhopol, Ukraine): LEWKOWICZ
(Piotrkow Trybunalski, Poland): ORGANEK (Lagow, Poland): SPECTOR -
SPEKTER (Zabokrich, Kryzhopol & Odessa, Ukraine); USZEROWICZ - ASH
(Piotrkow Trybunalski & Lodz, Poland), VELTMAN -VOLTMAN -WALTMAN
(Zabokrich & Kryzhopol, Ukraine)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Whys and wherefores of Jewish immigration to Canada #general

Marla Waltman Daschko <waltman@...>
 

Barbara Siegel wrote:

I am looking for information re Jewish immigration patterns from
Europe to Canada, especially during the second half of the 19th
century..... Also, I am very interested in reading accounts of the
Jewish immigration experience in Canada, and would appreciate some
suggestions.
I don't pretend to be an expert in Jewish immigration patterns from
Europe to Canada but I am aware of some published works which deal with
these early immigrants. Barbara, you may wish to read the following
published works:

"The Jews of Toronto: A History to 1937", by Stephen A. Speisman
(McClelland & Stewart, 1979)

"Taking Root: The Origins of the Canadian Jewish Community", by Gerald
Tulchinsky (Lester Publishing Limited, 1992).

In terms of personal reminiscences of immigration >from Europe to Canada
you might find parts of these books interesting:

">from our Lives" by Members of the Baycrest Terrace Memoirs Group,
Toronto (Mosaic Press, 1979).

"Growing Up Jewish: Canadians Tell Their Own Stories", Ed. by Rosalie
Sharp, Irving Abella and Edwin Goodman (McLelland & Stewart, 1997).

There are, of course, many other publications that might help answer
some of your questions but these are in my personal library and I find
them quite interesting and useful.

Marla Waltman Daschko
Nepean, Ontario, Canada
waltman@...

Researching:
KRAVCHEK - KRAWCZYK - KRAFT (Zhabokrich & Kryzhopol, Ukraine): LEWKOWICZ
(Piotrkow Trybunalski, Poland): ORGANEK (Lagow, Poland): SPECTOR -
SPEKTER (Zabokrich, Kryzhopol & Odessa, Ukraine); USZEROWICZ - ASH
(Piotrkow Trybunalski & Lodz, Poland), VELTMAN -VOLTMAN -WALTMAN
(Zabokrich & Kryzhopol, Ukraine)


Gesher Galicia publications delay #general

Pollero - Rochelle K. <rpollero@...>
 

Due to technical problems with the publication of the Fall 98 Galitzianer
newsletter and membership renewal letter, these publications will be
slightly delayed.

We will post an announcement when we have more information and we deeply
apologize for the inconvenience.

Shelley Kellerman Pollero
Coordinator, Gesher Galicia
Severna Park, MD
rpollero@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Gesher Galicia publications delay #general

Pollero - Rochelle K. <rpollero@...>
 

Due to technical problems with the publication of the Fall 98 Galitzianer
newsletter and membership renewal letter, these publications will be
slightly delayed.

We will post an announcement when we have more information and we deeply
apologize for the inconvenience.

Shelley Kellerman Pollero
Coordinator, Gesher Galicia
Severna Park, MD
rpollero@...


Announcing: Belarus SIG Online Newsletter #general

Risa E Heywood <risah@...>
 

The Belarus SIG is pleased to announce the completion of our first online
newsletter. It can be found at our web site: www.jewishgen.org/belarus.
Click on the Online Newsletter button.

Our editors, Bryan Polikoff and Elsebeth Paikin have done a wonderful job.
Featured articles are: A Journey to Senno by Elliot Lepler, and Our Small
Town - Swir contributed by Arnold Wolfe. Also included is a synopsis of
Existing Records for Shtetls in Belarus compiled by David Fox and more.

The Belarus SIG was formed this summer at the Jewish Genealogy Conference in
Los Angeles to meet the needs of those researching the gubernii of Minsk,
Mogilev and Vitebsk. The SIG already has 366 members. If you would like to
join and participate in our discussion group, go to:
www.jewishgen.org/belarus/membersh.htm. There are no dues to join.

Risa Heywood
Belarus SIG Webmaster
E-mail: risah@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Announcing: Belarus SIG Online Newsletter #general

Risa E Heywood <risah@...>
 

The Belarus SIG is pleased to announce the completion of our first online
newsletter. It can be found at our web site: www.jewishgen.org/belarus.
Click on the Online Newsletter button.

Our editors, Bryan Polikoff and Elsebeth Paikin have done a wonderful job.
Featured articles are: A Journey to Senno by Elliot Lepler, and Our Small
Town - Swir contributed by Arnold Wolfe. Also included is a synopsis of
Existing Records for Shtetls in Belarus compiled by David Fox and more.

The Belarus SIG was formed this summer at the Jewish Genealogy Conference in
Los Angeles to meet the needs of those researching the gubernii of Minsk,
Mogilev and Vitebsk. The SIG already has 366 members. If you would like to
join and participate in our discussion group, go to:
www.jewishgen.org/belarus/membersh.htm. There are no dues to join.

Risa Heywood
Belarus SIG Webmaster
E-mail: risah@...


Searching: Jews living in the Russian Forests (1939-45) #general

Sandy Lawrence Edry <sle7@...>
 

I've been lurking on this list for a few weeks and wanted to introduce
myself as well as find out if any of you can assist me in my current
project.

I am a reporter (for Newsweek) and I am beginning to do research for a
book on the Jews who spent World War II hiding in the Russian forests. I
will be using my grandparents' journey as a starting point >from which to
tell the story of the hundreds of thousands of other Jews who lived (and
often died) in these forests.

Basically I am look for three types of information:

1) At its most specific, I am hoping to perhaps find anyone who may have
known my grandparents and/or who may have been with my grandparents' group
wandering through Russia. Their names were Sender and Bracha TZIMMERMAN or
ZIMMERMAN and they came >from Tomaszow Lubelski in Poland (about 35km from
Lviv). They traveled first to a Siberian detention camp (I am still trying
to find out which one) and then to Samarkand, Uzbekistan. My grandfather
had two shops in Tomaszow. One sold men's suits and textiles and the other
was a bakery--run by my great-aunt Ruchu (Rachel) TZAHN.

2) Additionally, I am look for information about anyone else >from Tomaszow
Lubelski, esp. anyone who can tell me about the town before the war. (I am
working on having parts of the Yizkor book translated to English. If
anyone has done some work on this please let me know.)

3) Lastly, and most generally, I am also looking to talk to anyone else
who spent the war in similar circumstances, whether they were in Siberia
or in the Muslim republics, etc. I am aware of several personal narratives
written by survivors that retell their journeys but any additional
reference material and/or primary sources would be helpful.

Thanks in advance for any assistance and I apologize for the long post.

Sandy Edry
sle7@...
New York, NY

P.S. I will be in Israel for 2-3 weeks in January to conduct interviews
and to do research at Yad Vashem so I'd love to meet anyone while I am
there who fits the above request.

Researching:
TZIMMERMAN/ZIMMERMAN (Tomaszow Lubelski, Poland)
TZAHN (Tomaszow Lubelski, Poland)

mailto: sle7@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Searching: Jews living in the Russian Forests (1939-45) #general

Sandy Lawrence Edry <sle7@...>
 

I've been lurking on this list for a few weeks and wanted to introduce
myself as well as find out if any of you can assist me in my current
project.

I am a reporter (for Newsweek) and I am beginning to do research for a
book on the Jews who spent World War II hiding in the Russian forests. I
will be using my grandparents' journey as a starting point >from which to
tell the story of the hundreds of thousands of other Jews who lived (and
often died) in these forests.

Basically I am look for three types of information:

1) At its most specific, I am hoping to perhaps find anyone who may have
known my grandparents and/or who may have been with my grandparents' group
wandering through Russia. Their names were Sender and Bracha TZIMMERMAN or
ZIMMERMAN and they came >from Tomaszow Lubelski in Poland (about 35km from
Lviv). They traveled first to a Siberian detention camp (I am still trying
to find out which one) and then to Samarkand, Uzbekistan. My grandfather
had two shops in Tomaszow. One sold men's suits and textiles and the other
was a bakery--run by my great-aunt Ruchu (Rachel) TZAHN.

2) Additionally, I am look for information about anyone else >from Tomaszow
Lubelski, esp. anyone who can tell me about the town before the war. (I am
working on having parts of the Yizkor book translated to English. If
anyone has done some work on this please let me know.)

3) Lastly, and most generally, I am also looking to talk to anyone else
who spent the war in similar circumstances, whether they were in Siberia
or in the Muslim republics, etc. I am aware of several personal narratives
written by survivors that retell their journeys but any additional
reference material and/or primary sources would be helpful.

Thanks in advance for any assistance and I apologize for the long post.

Sandy Edry
sle7@...
New York, NY

P.S. I will be in Israel for 2-3 weeks in January to conduct interviews
and to do research at Yad Vashem so I'd love to meet anyone while I am
there who fits the above request.

Researching:
TZIMMERMAN/ZIMMERMAN (Tomaszow Lubelski, Poland)
TZAHN (Tomaszow Lubelski, Poland)

mailto: sle7@...