I am a new member of this group having joined only yesterday so I
hope this question is appropriate.

My grandmother Hassa Chanin CHERNIN left Vitebsk in 1924 with two young
sons Baruch and Mendel. An older son Moise remained as he was married.
The family lost touch during WW II

My question is two part does any one know the CHERNIN or CZERNIN family

from Vitebsk and are there any descendants of Moise around.

Please respond to sueche1@...

Susan Chernin

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I am a new member of this group having joined only yesterday so I
hope this question is appropriate.

My grandmother Hassa Chanin CHERNIN left Vitebsk in 1924 with two young
sons Baruch and Mendel. An older son Moise remained as he was married.
The family lost touch during WW II

My question is two part does any one know the CHERNIN or CZERNIN family

from Vitebsk and are there any descendants of Moise around.

Please respond to sueche1@...

Susan Chernin

MODERATOR'S NOTE: For all new members, please remember to capitalize
the entire surname(s) in the Subject and Body of your messages. Also,
please sign each message with your name, city and state (or Country).

How can one gain access to "Collection #2151 of the
Mogilev Tresasury of Revision (census) Lists and alphabetical lists
of Jewish Town dwellers in a number of gubernia, districts, towns, and
shtetls". I am interested in the information >from Gomel.

Adar Belinkoff
adarelana@...
Researching: BELINKOFF >from Gomel, Israel, Los Angeles; PINTCHUK >from Tomaszov
Maszowieki, Poland,Youngstown & Cleveland; GOLDER & GOLDFARB >from Ostrolenka &
Chicago

How can one gain access to "Collection #2151 of the
Mogilev Tresasury of Revision (census) Lists and alphabetical lists
of Jewish Town dwellers in a number of gubernia, districts, towns, and
shtetls". I am interested in the information >from Gomel.

Adar Belinkoff
adarelana@...
Researching: BELINKOFF >from Gomel, Israel, Los Angeles; PINTCHUK >from Tomaszov
Maszowieki, Poland,Youngstown & Cleveland; GOLDER & GOLDFARB >from Ostrolenka &
Chicago

Tommy Satote writes:

I am searching for either SCHER or WITEBSKY who would have
emigrated >from Russia during the early 1900's. Is there anyone
out there with information on either of these two surnames?

Would have emigrated to WHERE? Also Tommy you need to tell us
where you live and what you have done to gather information on
the names you are searching so that you are not advised to visit
a place that doesn't exist where you live and not told to do
something you've already done! People want to help, but you
need to give us all more information.

And, if you haven't already done so, please enter these surnames
in the JewishGen Family Finder, http://www.jewishgen.org/JGFF/

Hope this helps you
Carol

Tommy Satote writes:

I am searching for either SCHER or WITEBSKY who would have
emigrated >from Russia during the early 1900's. Is there anyone
out there with information on either of these two surnames?

Would have emigrated to WHERE? Also Tommy you need to tell us
where you live and what you have done to gather information on
the names you are searching so that you are not advised to visit
a place that doesn't exist where you live and not told to do
something you've already done! People want to help, but you
need to give us all more information.

And, if you haven't already done so, please enter these surnames
in the JewishGen Family Finder, http://www.jewishgen.org/JGFF/

Hope this helps you
Carol

Hi....I am a member of the Grodno sig interested in
Brest...does your SIG also involve Brest? In any case,
I have taken it upon myself to coordinate the gathering
of those who may have an interest in jointly funding
research in the Brest and Grodno Archives specifically
pertaining to genealogical material for those with roots
in Brest and it's nearby towns. It was suggested to me
that I might want to post this announcement on the Belarus
SIG as well. Would you do that? "Would anyone interested in
participating in the sharing of expenses involved in hiring
a researcher to research Brest-Litovsk genealogical material
at the pertinent sites in Belarus please email me with your name
and address....we will let you know more as things progress further.

Bernard and Philip Rosinsky
rosinskyb@...

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Brest is in Grodno Gubernia and there is a
separate Grodno SIG. It is felt that many researchers of Belarus
have family ties to more than one gubernii and we will try to make
the Belarus SIG as inclusive as the members desire in order to
satisfy the common goals we all have. Please contact Bernard and
Philip Rosinsky by private e-mail.

Hi....I am a member of the Grodno sig interested in
Brest...does your SIG also involve Brest? In any case,
I have taken it upon myself to coordinate the gathering
of those who may have an interest in jointly funding
research in the Brest and Grodno Archives specifically
pertaining to genealogical material for those with roots
in Brest and it's nearby towns. It was suggested to me
that I might want to post this announcement on the Belarus
SIG as well. Would you do that? "Would anyone interested in
participating in the sharing of expenses involved in hiring
a researcher to research Brest-Litovsk genealogical material
at the pertinent sites in Belarus please email me with your name
and address....we will let you know more as things progress further.

Bernard and Philip Rosinsky
rosinskyb@...

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Brest is in Grodno Gubernia and there is a
separate Grodno SIG. It is felt that many researchers of Belarus
have family ties to more than one gubernii and we will try to make
the Belarus SIG as inclusive as the members desire in order to
satisfy the common goals we all have. Please contact Bernard and
Philip Rosinsky by private e-mail.

The first name Nitza can be Hebrew. It can also be Arabic as there are many
Lebanese immigrants throughout Latin America. Nitza is name used in those
commuities. It can be also be Filipino first name too. It is can also be
Mexican name as it can be derived >from the Nahuatl language which still is
a spoken indian language in Mexico. It can also be a Mayan name.

Nitza is not one name you will find in the various history books about
Inquisition Latin America (i.e. Toribio Medina's 8-10 detailed books). It
is not a name you will find in books about Latin America during the
Colonial Period (roughly (1560-1830).

It is would be seriously misleading to make any inferences at all based on
the first name alone. In Latin America, in any town you will find large
numbers of persons with first names such as Abraham, Isaac, Rachel, Judith,
etc. It would equally misleading/irresponsilbe to make persons believe that
because they have a biblical first name that they would be Jewish. Also in
Latin America, including Puerto Rico the use of Biblical first names is
much higher among members of Protestant deominations. For example you will
have names among members of Protestant deominations such as Adonay Ramirez,
Baruch Sanchez, etc. And where the use of Hebrew names is more pervasive
and malicious is with Messianic Jews groups.

Geneology and family history has been a serious subject for a long time in
Latin America. The number of books related to historical families of the
countries, towns, etc. is large in Latin America. There are many books
published in Spanish about family names. It is more customary in Latin
America that a city would have it official or unoffical historian even to
this day.

Juan Moran

Judorican@... wrote:

Thanks to all the folks who replied to my query. My Puerto Rican friend
doesn't have any knowledge of Jewish heritage, but her surname is also
one often found among Sephardim and if her family is in fact of Jewish
ancestry it would be by way of Spain.

MODERATOR NOTE: This post provides significant new perspective on a closed
thread, and we have used our discretion to allow it.

The first name Nitza can be Hebrew. It can also be Arabic as there are many
Lebanese immigrants throughout Latin America. Nitza is name used in those
commuities. It can be also be Filipino first name too. It is can also be
Mexican name as it can be derived >from the Nahuatl language which still is
a spoken indian language in Mexico. It can also be a Mayan name.

Nitza is not one name you will find in the various history books about
Inquisition Latin America (i.e. Toribio Medina's 8-10 detailed books). It
is not a name you will find in books about Latin America during the
Colonial Period (roughly (1560-1830).

It is would be seriously misleading to make any inferences at all based on
the first name alone. In Latin America, in any town you will find large
numbers of persons with first names such as Abraham, Isaac, Rachel, Judith,
etc. It would equally misleading/irresponsilbe to make persons believe that
because they have a biblical first name that they would be Jewish. Also in
Latin America, including Puerto Rico the use of Biblical first names is
much higher among members of Protestant deominations. For example you will
have names among members of Protestant deominations such as Adonay Ramirez,
Baruch Sanchez, etc. And where the use of Hebrew names is more pervasive
and malicious is with Messianic Jews groups.

Geneology and family history has been a serious subject for a long time in
Latin America. The number of books related to historical families of the
countries, towns, etc. is large in Latin America. There are many books
published in Spanish about family names. It is more customary in Latin
America that a city would have it official or unoffical historian even to
this day.

Juan Moran

Judorican@... wrote:

Thanks to all the folks who replied to my query. My Puerto Rican friend
doesn't have any knowledge of Jewish heritage, but her surname is also
one often found among Sephardim and if her family is in fact of Jewish
ancestry it would be by way of Spain.

MODERATOR NOTE: This post provides significant new perspective on a closed
thread, and we have used our discretion to allow it.

Hallo all,
I've been trying to find out more about my husband's side of the family.
Although I've spent many hours online looking through the archives
I'm not getting very far.
Is LACHS a Jewish name? When were the Jews of Galizia forced to
take surnames? Could it mean his family were fishermen ?
And while I'm here: could any one help with the name of his birthplace?
On his official German papers it says STRYHANCE. I've never seen
a posting for this shtetl. If it was only a village or handful of houses
where would the births and deaths have been registered? (1900 - 1941)
Hope someone can help me further.

Regards >from Jane Lachs in Munich
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
LACHS, STERN and SILBERFELD in POTOCHANY, STRYHANCE and BEREZANY
Jane@...
:-)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Hallo all,
I've been trying to find out more about my husband's side of the family.
Although I've spent many hours online looking through the archives
I'm not getting very far.
Is LACHS a Jewish name? When were the Jews of Galizia forced to
take surnames? Could it mean his family were fishermen ?
And while I'm here: could any one help with the name of his birthplace?
On his official German papers it says STRYHANCE. I've never seen
a posting for this shtetl. If it was only a village or handful of houses
where would the births and deaths have been registered? (1900 - 1941)
Hope someone can help me further.

Regards >from Jane Lachs in Munich
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
LACHS, STERN and SILBERFELD in POTOCHANY, STRYHANCE and BEREZANY
Jane@...
:-)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I am seeking information about two shtetls near Bialystok, Goniondz and
Sukhovola where my family members, the Brumers and the Moorens were
from. They eventually settled in South Bend, IN. I have seen the
Yizkor books but am especially interested in the societies==the
landsmanschaft newsletters and such. If you have any information
please contact me at the email address below. Thank you.

Carol Brumer
sholomg@...
--
Carol Brumer and Sholom Gliksman sholomg@...

I am seeking information about two shtetls near Bialystok, Goniondz and
Sukhovola where my family members, the Brumers and the Moorens were
from. They eventually settled in South Bend, IN. I have seen the
Yizkor books but am especially interested in the societies==the
landsmanschaft newsletters and such. If you have any information
please contact me at the email address below. Thank you.

Carol Brumer
sholomg@...
--
Carol Brumer and Sholom Gliksman sholomg@...

In <19981108221011.06883.00001492@...>, on 11/09/1998
at 03:04 AM, arim345@... (Arim345) said:

Interested in this names, especially in the Chicago area.

I don't know whether he's related, but I had a cousin Gustav (Gad)
Liebling in Tel Aviv.

Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
I mangled my E-mail address to foil automated spammers; reply to
domain acm dot org user shmuel to contact me. Do not reply to
spamtrap@...

In <19981108221011.06883.00001492@...>, on 11/09/1998
at 03:04 AM, arim345@... (Arim345) said:

Interested in this names, especially in the Chicago area.

I don't know whether he's related, but I had a cousin Gustav (Gad)
Liebling in Tel Aviv.

Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
I mangled my E-mail address to foil automated spammers; reply to
domain acm dot org user shmuel to contact me. Do not reply to
spamtrap@...

I am searching for family with the name of NADWORNY or NADVORNY or any
other variant. As far as I know, there were no families of this name in the
town of Nadworne(Pol)/Nadwornaya (Ukr). The Nadworna society's burial area
in Baron Hirsch cemetery in NYC has no Nadwornys or variant listed either.

My gf, Joseph (b.1866, son of Israel and Leah Silver), came >from Odessa and
was a blacksmith. My gm, Anna Frieda Mednik (b.1872,daughter of Aaron M and
Celia Wildman) came >from Berdichev. Just by doing an Altavista search I
believe I have found relatives in Brazil (Nadvorny). Their relative also
came >from Odessa and had the same occupation. The name is too rare and the
locations too few for these people to be other than relatives. We have
traded pictures and found hard-to-ignore resemblances. We feel my gf and
their ggf were first cousins if not siblings.

Also, just as a mention, through a very interesting turn of events, I found
someone quite accidentally via email in Odessa who looked up that name in
their phonebooks for me. THis lovely person whom I did not know before,
called them and one feels we are related--I am waiting on pins and needles
while they check out their family tree.

NADWORNY is more common among Polish Catholics than Jews but it rare in
either case. I am trying to find out what the originating language was. I
know what it means (an agent of the court OR a chancellor OR someone of the
country manor--a purveyor?!)The more regal meaning is in Russian. I have
had some help >from Slavic Library librarians but I thought someone here
might be able to point me to a source.

My Odessan friend is also looking for his family because he does not know
if he is Jewish or not! So I am looking for his relatives here: his name is
Yuri KRUGLYAK (or variants). His father's name was Aleksei Savvich (b. 1907
Berezovka, Vinnitza Volost, Ukr), mother Evgeniya SHNITKO. They lived in
Kharkov when Yuri was born (1937). Most of his relatives were wiped out in
the Golodomor which he describes as an organized starvation by the
Communist Party.

Regards,
Anita

Searching: NADWORNY, MEDNIK, SILVER

I am searching for family with the name of NADWORNY or NADVORNY or any
other variant. As far as I know, there were no families of this name in the
town of Nadworne(Pol)/Nadwornaya (Ukr). The Nadworna society's burial area
in Baron Hirsch cemetery in NYC has no Nadwornys or variant listed either.

My gf, Joseph (b.1866, son of Israel and Leah Silver), came >from Odessa and
was a blacksmith. My gm, Anna Frieda Mednik (b.1872,daughter of Aaron M and
Celia Wildman) came >from Berdichev. Just by doing an Altavista search I
believe I have found relatives in Brazil (Nadvorny). Their relative also
came >from Odessa and had the same occupation. The name is too rare and the
locations too few for these people to be other than relatives. We have
traded pictures and found hard-to-ignore resemblances. We feel my gf and
their ggf were first cousins if not siblings.

Also, just as a mention, through a very interesting turn of events, I found
someone quite accidentally via email in Odessa who looked up that name in
their phonebooks for me. THis lovely person whom I did not know before,
called them and one feels we are related--I am waiting on pins and needles
while they check out their family tree.

NADWORNY is more common among Polish Catholics than Jews but it rare in
either case. I am trying to find out what the originating language was. I
know what it means (an agent of the court OR a chancellor OR someone of the
country manor--a purveyor?!)The more regal meaning is in Russian. I have
had some help >from Slavic Library librarians but I thought someone here
might be able to point me to a source.

My Odessan friend is also looking for his family because he does not know
if he is Jewish or not! So I am looking for his relatives here: his name is
Yuri KRUGLYAK (or variants). His father's name was Aleksei Savvich (b. 1907
Berezovka, Vinnitza Volost, Ukr), mother Evgeniya SHNITKO. They lived in
Kharkov when Yuri was born (1937). Most of his relatives were wiped out in
the Golodomor which he describes as an organized starvation by the
Communist Party.

Regards,
Anita

Searching: NADWORNY, MEDNIK, SILVER

Several years ago I had an inquiry >from Mark S. Hoffrichter regarding his
and my Silverman Families but we could not find a fit at that time. I
recently discovered some information which may be of interest to him (and
me, too) and I wrote to Mark at the Manhattan, NYC address I had in my
files. The letter has been returned. Does anyone out there know where I
can find Mark S. Hoffrichter who used to live in NYC? Ask him to get in
touch with me at:
joansgross@....

Many thanks

Joan

Several years ago I had an inquiry >from Mark S. Hoffrichter regarding his
and my Silverman Families but we could not find a fit at that time. I
recently discovered some information which may be of interest to him (and
me, too) and I wrote to Mark at the Manhattan, NYC address I had in my
files. The letter has been returned. Does anyone out there know where I
can find Mark S. Hoffrichter who used to live in NYC? Ask him to get in
touch with me at:
joansgross@....

Many thanks

Joan