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Changing Borders:A History Lesson, Please? #general

Sandhaus <sandhaus@...>
 

First, please let me thank all of the wonderful people who have written me
during the past few weeks with information concerning the various shtetls
associated with my family tree. That information has proven invaluable.

Second, as some of you may know, I am putting together a web page which, among
other things, contains information and links regarding those shtetls. I would
like for the page to have a brief summary which discusses the various border
changes in the Ukraine / Austria-Hungary / Poland / Romania areas >from the
mid-1800's to the present.

Once again, I'd like to exploit the good graces of the geography mavens out
there in hyperspace: if anybody would be kind enough to put together such a
summary, I would be honored to place the article on my web page, giving full
and proper credit to the author(s). In the alternative, if anybody could
suggest a link which effectively does the same thing, that would be greatly
appreciated.

Thank you,
Buck Sandhaus
SANDHAUS@...
http://members.aol.com/Sandhaus/genealogy.html

Researching:
Czernowitz (Romania) Debica (Poland)
Dobromil (Ukraine) Glinitsa (Ukraine)
Koteshty (Moldova) Ropschitz (Poland)
Rzeszow (Poland) Sandhausen (Germany)
Sanok (Poland) Skazintsy (Ukraine)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Changing Borders:A History Lesson, Please? #general

Sandhaus <sandhaus@...>
 

First, please let me thank all of the wonderful people who have written me
during the past few weeks with information concerning the various shtetls
associated with my family tree. That information has proven invaluable.

Second, as some of you may know, I am putting together a web page which, among
other things, contains information and links regarding those shtetls. I would
like for the page to have a brief summary which discusses the various border
changes in the Ukraine / Austria-Hungary / Poland / Romania areas >from the
mid-1800's to the present.

Once again, I'd like to exploit the good graces of the geography mavens out
there in hyperspace: if anybody would be kind enough to put together such a
summary, I would be honored to place the article on my web page, giving full
and proper credit to the author(s). In the alternative, if anybody could
suggest a link which effectively does the same thing, that would be greatly
appreciated.

Thank you,
Buck Sandhaus
SANDHAUS@...
http://members.aol.com/Sandhaus/genealogy.html

Researching:
Czernowitz (Romania) Debica (Poland)
Dobromil (Ukraine) Glinitsa (Ukraine)
Koteshty (Moldova) Ropschitz (Poland)
Rzeszow (Poland) Sandhausen (Germany)
Sanok (Poland) Skazintsy (Ukraine)


Re: Whys and wherefores of Jewish immigration to Canada #general

Paul Silverstone <paulh@...>
 

I refer you to a thesis which is in the library or archives in Winnipeg:
'The Old Clo' Move': Anti-Semitism, Politics and the Jews of Winnipeg 1882-1921
by Henry M. Trachtenberg, written in 1984.

The first chapter gives much information about the formation and arrival in
Winnipeg of the group who arrived there in 1882. About 350 Jews were in this
group which founded the Jewish community of the city.
Paul Silverstone
New York

Barbara Siegel wrote:

Dear Jewishgenners,
I am looking for information re Jewish immigration patterns >from Europe to
Canada, especially during the second half of the 19th century. I am
assuming that the major waves of Jewish immigration to Canada took place
after the first World War as a result of the restricted quotas on entrance
to the U.S. What were the circumstances that resulted in earlier Jewish
immigration to Canada as opposed to the U.S., the destination chosen by the
majority of Jews >from Eastern Europe?

I am not referring to the use of Canada as a transit point on the way to the
U.S., but to those who remained permanently in Canada. >>>>>>>>>SNIP


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Whys and wherefores of Jewish immigration to Canada #general

Paul Silverstone <paulh@...>
 

I refer you to a thesis which is in the library or archives in Winnipeg:
'The Old Clo' Move': Anti-Semitism, Politics and the Jews of Winnipeg 1882-1921
by Henry M. Trachtenberg, written in 1984.

The first chapter gives much information about the formation and arrival in
Winnipeg of the group who arrived there in 1882. About 350 Jews were in this
group which founded the Jewish community of the city.
Paul Silverstone
New York

Barbara Siegel wrote:

Dear Jewishgenners,
I am looking for information re Jewish immigration patterns >from Europe to
Canada, especially during the second half of the 19th century. I am
assuming that the major waves of Jewish immigration to Canada took place
after the first World War as a result of the restricted quotas on entrance
to the U.S. What were the circumstances that resulted in earlier Jewish
immigration to Canada as opposed to the U.S., the destination chosen by the
majority of Jews >from Eastern Europe?

I am not referring to the use of Canada as a transit point on the way to the
U.S., but to those who remained permanently in Canada. >>>>>>>>>SNIP


Data bases #latvia

Martha Lev-Zion <martha@...>
 

I am on the Litvak mailing list as well as this one and I wonder why we
can't arrange to do something like they have done with their posting
databases to their website. Now that we know all the LDS films on the
different cities of Latvia [see AVOTAYNU V.14, No. 2, p. 24] couldn't
we all share the burden and post those vital stats to some database
that we could post on our website? Is anyone else interested in doing
such a project? [I am not sure how to proceed, but some of you out
there no doubt have experience in this sort of thing!]


Martha in Israel


Researching:

<bigger>LIEBERTHAL (Latvia/Lithuania) Anyplace in the world.

HIM(M)ELHOCH (Latvia) Anyplace in the world.

</bigger>


Latvia SIG #Latvia Data bases #latvia

Martha Lev-Zion <martha@...>
 

I am on the Litvak mailing list as well as this one and I wonder why we
can't arrange to do something like they have done with their posting
databases to their website. Now that we know all the LDS films on the
different cities of Latvia [see AVOTAYNU V.14, No. 2, p. 24] couldn't
we all share the burden and post those vital stats to some database
that we could post on our website? Is anyone else interested in doing
such a project? [I am not sure how to proceed, but some of you out
there no doubt have experience in this sort of thing!]


Martha in Israel


Researching:

<bigger>LIEBERTHAL (Latvia/Lithuania) Anyplace in the world.

HIM(M)ELHOCH (Latvia) Anyplace in the world.

</bigger>


Lost grtgrandmother-Fredenburgh #general

SKenwo9103 <skenwo9103@...>
 

Seeking any information on a Sieomone FREDENBURGH that lived in England
and Mold, Wales about 1900 to 1925.Her whispered traditions of Jewish traditions still live on today even though she was told to stop.
Pamela Larsen
SKenwo9103@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Lost grtgrandmother-Fredenburgh #general

SKenwo9103 <skenwo9103@...>
 

Seeking any information on a Sieomone FREDENBURGH that lived in England
and Mold, Wales about 1900 to 1925.Her whispered traditions of Jewish traditions still live on today even though she was told to stop.
Pamela Larsen
SKenwo9103@...


HANS #general

Alexandra Vozick Hans <vozick@...>
 

We are looking for a response that was lost >from someone who recognized
the HANS name >from Transylvania, the Mamarosh area, the town of Kretchenev.
Perhaps the respondent was named "Michael". Would you please email me
directly with any information about Pincus and Anna Dub Hans and there 8
children. My late father in law, their son was Harry Hans. Thank you
Alexandra Vozick Hans


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen HANS #general

Alexandra Vozick Hans <vozick@...>
 

We are looking for a response that was lost >from someone who recognized
the HANS name >from Transylvania, the Mamarosh area, the town of Kretchenev.
Perhaps the respondent was named "Michael". Would you please email me
directly with any information about Pincus and Anna Dub Hans and there 8
children. My late father in law, their son was Harry Hans. Thank you
Alexandra Vozick Hans


Re: Hersh vs Gersh #general

L.M. Berkowitz <lmb@...>
 

On Sun, 22 Nov 1998 wrote:

: I have heard that the name Hersh does not really exist in
:Russian and that it is Gersh. The use of Hersh is a 'yiddishized'
:adaptation. Since this might be important in Russian research,
:does anyone know if this is correct?

It is correct, except that you have it backwards. The name "Hirsch" (or
Hersh, or Hersch) is a Yiddish/German name which goes along with the =
Hebrew
names Naftali and Tzvi. Gersh is the "russianized" adaptation of Hersh.

There are also the Hebrew names Gershon and Gershom, which need no
"russianization" and have nothing to do with Hersh.


Leah Berkowitz lmb "at" adni.net lberkow1 "at" ford.com
http://www.jewish-history.com/ Jewish-American History


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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Hersh vs Gersh #general

L.M. Berkowitz <lmb@...>
 

On Sun, 22 Nov 1998 wrote:

: I have heard that the name Hersh does not really exist in
:Russian and that it is Gersh. The use of Hersh is a 'yiddishized'
:adaptation. Since this might be important in Russian research,
:does anyone know if this is correct?

It is correct, except that you have it backwards. The name "Hirsch" (or
Hersh, or Hersch) is a Yiddish/German name which goes along with the =
Hebrew
names Naftali and Tzvi. Gersh is the "russianized" adaptation of Hersh.

There are also the Hebrew names Gershon and Gershom, which need no
"russianization" and have nothing to do with Hersh.


Leah Berkowitz lmb "at" adni.net lberkow1 "at" ford.com
http://www.jewish-history.com/ Jewish-American History


MODERATOR NOTE: Since the original question has been
answered satisfactorily, we can now close this thread.
Anyone with further comments, please continue privately.


Re: Hersh vs Gersh #general

Warren Blatt <wblatt@...>
 

"Howard M. Rensin" <hrensin@...> wrote:
I have heard that the name Hersh does not really exist in
Russian and that it is Gersh. The use of Hersh is a 'yiddishized'
adaptation. Since this might be important in Russian research,
does anyone know if this is correct?
More or less -- but you got it backwards: "Gersh" is a
Russianized adaptation of "Hersh". "Hersh" is the genuine item,
the Yiddish name meaning "deer" (as does the Hebrew name "Tzvi").

There's no "h" sound in the Russian language. Since Russians
can't pronounce the "h" sound, they use either the "g" sound
or the guttural "ch" sound (as in "Bach") in its place. That's
why today a typical Russian says "the island of Gavaii" (Hawaii),
or "Garvard University" or "Kharvard University" -- they can't
pronounce the "h" sound.

See the article on Jewish Given Names in the most recent issue
of "Avotaynu" (Vol. XIV, No. 3, Fall 1998). It discusses the
Hersh/Gersh issue on page 12.

Warren

Warren Blatt
Boston, MA
<wblatt@...>


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Hersh vs Gersh #general

Warren Blatt <wblatt@...>
 

"Howard M. Rensin" <hrensin@...> wrote:
I have heard that the name Hersh does not really exist in
Russian and that it is Gersh. The use of Hersh is a 'yiddishized'
adaptation. Since this might be important in Russian research,
does anyone know if this is correct?
More or less -- but you got it backwards: "Gersh" is a
Russianized adaptation of "Hersh". "Hersh" is the genuine item,
the Yiddish name meaning "deer" (as does the Hebrew name "Tzvi").

There's no "h" sound in the Russian language. Since Russians
can't pronounce the "h" sound, they use either the "g" sound
or the guttural "ch" sound (as in "Bach") in its place. That's
why today a typical Russian says "the island of Gavaii" (Hawaii),
or "Garvard University" or "Kharvard University" -- they can't
pronounce the "h" sound.

See the article on Jewish Given Names in the most recent issue
of "Avotaynu" (Vol. XIV, No. 3, Fall 1998). It discusses the
Hersh/Gersh issue on page 12.

Warren

Warren Blatt
Boston, MA
<wblatt@...>


Re: Seeking Family of Zyndel Berger, Lublin, Poland #general

A.Sharon <a.sharon@...>
 

A.Sharon wrote:

David Carver wrote:

I am seeking any knowledge of the family of my uncle Zyndel Berger or
Bergier of prewar Lublin. He had 3 children, one named Leibish. The
names of the others or of his wife are not known. Would appreciate any
help at all.
David Carver
David,

May I suggest to start search >from this website in Lublin, entitled
"Jews of Lublin". Webmaster, Pawel Skonecki is one of the few remaining
in Lublin and Poland Yiddishe boys. Other people on his team are great
people, Gentile Poles, Lublin's University researchers. Beside the fact
that website is in Polish, they can commonicate in English. One day,
they might translate all the website information into English.
SNIP
Well, I forgot to add "Jews of Lublin" website location:

http://platon.man.lublin.pl/~stona/JEWS/

Please accept my appologies,

Alexander Sharon


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Seeking Family of Zyndel Berger, Lublin, Poland #general

A.Sharon <a.sharon@...>
 

A.Sharon wrote:

David Carver wrote:

I am seeking any knowledge of the family of my uncle Zyndel Berger or
Bergier of prewar Lublin. He had 3 children, one named Leibish. The
names of the others or of his wife are not known. Would appreciate any
help at all.
David Carver
David,

May I suggest to start search >from this website in Lublin, entitled
"Jews of Lublin". Webmaster, Pawel Skonecki is one of the few remaining
in Lublin and Poland Yiddishe boys. Other people on his team are great
people, Gentile Poles, Lublin's University researchers. Beside the fact
that website is in Polish, they can commonicate in English. One day,
they might translate all the website information into English.
SNIP
Well, I forgot to add "Jews of Lublin" website location:

http://platon.man.lublin.pl/~stona/JEWS/

Please accept my appologies,

Alexander Sharon


Szighet records #hungary

Cherie Korer <korerc@...>
 

Subject: Any records >from Sziget? Also about a Bubbe.
From: Cherie Korer (korerc@...)
Date: Nov. 22, 1998

Have the Mormons filmed any records >from Sziget besides the 1828
Hungarian Census? Please save me a trip to the FHL, someone. I'm looking
for the town Nagy Bocsko in Maramoras county whose Jews prayed at the
Synagogue in Sziget.

BTW If you missed seeing my 100+ year old Hunky grandmother on TV and
would like to see what Regina Fox (Salamon, Eichler) looks like, point
your web browser to www.adlercentanarians.com and hit "enter" as you
point to "48 hours" in the top left box on that page.

Spunky Hunky Cherie


Hungary SIG #Hungary Szighet records #hungary

Cherie Korer <korerc@...>
 

Subject: Any records >from Sziget? Also about a Bubbe.
From: Cherie Korer (korerc@...)
Date: Nov. 22, 1998

Have the Mormons filmed any records >from Sziget besides the 1828
Hungarian Census? Please save me a trip to the FHL, someone. I'm looking
for the town Nagy Bocsko in Maramoras county whose Jews prayed at the
Synagogue in Sziget.

BTW If you missed seeing my 100+ year old Hunky grandmother on TV and
would like to see what Regina Fox (Salamon, Eichler) looks like, point
your web browser to www.adlercentanarians.com and hit "enter" as you
point to "48 hours" in the top left box on that page.

Spunky Hunky Cherie


Re: KLASS 1920 - Help in Chicago IL requested #general

Linda Olson <lgo1@...>
 

Aubrey Jacobus wrote:

I would be happy to do reciprocal work in London for help in Chicago.

I have got good data on a KLASS family who were in Chicago 1920 .
-- I am completely unable to find the name of the father of the family head
SNIP
I read yor message. I am an ex-Chicagoian and I recommend that you contact
the Newberry Library. The specialize in research and have many old books,
especially Chicago telephone books, that around this time listed the persons'
occupation. Perhaps someone would mail you a xerox of the name and page(s) and
you maybe able to add to your data base. Good Luck. The phone area code is
312-call information.
Linda Olson


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: KLASS 1920 - Help in Chicago IL requested #general

Linda Olson <lgo1@...>
 

Aubrey Jacobus wrote:

I would be happy to do reciprocal work in London for help in Chicago.

I have got good data on a KLASS family who were in Chicago 1920 .
-- I am completely unable to find the name of the father of the family head
SNIP
I read yor message. I am an ex-Chicagoian and I recommend that you contact
the Newberry Library. The specialize in research and have many old books,
especially Chicago telephone books, that around this time listed the persons'
occupation. Perhaps someone would mail you a xerox of the name and page(s) and
you maybe able to add to your data base. Good Luck. The phone area code is
312-call information.
Linda Olson