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Searching LIWERANT #general

rita <rivke@...>
 

Dear All

I agree with Ben Elton et al. about finding important connections
through this group so much so that only 7 or so days after posting a
search for SZCZECINIARZ and STOLIK which have both yielded important
avenues to follow up I am now posting another.

There is one large gap in my family research - that of my maternal
grandmother. Unfortunately the book of indexes for her birth year are
missing so I don't know who her parents were etc.

This is the information I have:

CHAJA RUCHLA LIWERANT was born 1891 probably in Lublin or surrounding
area. She married CHAIM DAVID STOLIK September 21 1917. They had 2
daughters, my mother Szajndla in 1917 and Rebeka (Rivke) born 1920.
Chaim David died in 1922. Chaja and Rivke probably died in Belzec in
1942.

That is the only information I have.

I am also curious about the name LIWERANT, not having heard of it
before. Does it have a meaning, does it signify as coming >from a
particular area?

Any information would be greatly appreciated.

Rita Nash (Rivke Szczeciniarz)
Sydney Australia


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Searching LIWERANT #general

rita <rivke@...>
 

Dear All

I agree with Ben Elton et al. about finding important connections
through this group so much so that only 7 or so days after posting a
search for SZCZECINIARZ and STOLIK which have both yielded important
avenues to follow up I am now posting another.

There is one large gap in my family research - that of my maternal
grandmother. Unfortunately the book of indexes for her birth year are
missing so I don't know who her parents were etc.

This is the information I have:

CHAJA RUCHLA LIWERANT was born 1891 probably in Lublin or surrounding
area. She married CHAIM DAVID STOLIK September 21 1917. They had 2
daughters, my mother Szajndla in 1917 and Rebeka (Rivke) born 1920.
Chaim David died in 1922. Chaja and Rivke probably died in Belzec in
1942.

That is the only information I have.

I am also curious about the name LIWERANT, not having heard of it
before. Does it have a meaning, does it signify as coming >from a
particular area?

Any information would be greatly appreciated.

Rita Nash (Rivke Szczeciniarz)
Sydney Australia


Hungarian Passports, Once again. #hungary

Dennis Baer <dbaer@...>
 

Hello

I just spoke to a clerk at the Rotterdam Archives recently and he told me
that Hungarians or anyone for that matter needed either traveling papers or
a passport to go through Rotterdam on their way to New York. I got a
pasenger list >from the Netherlands that factually coincides with the one for
my great aunt Helen that I got >from NARA. These make up 2 different types of
passenger lists.

So I ask the question again, where do applications for passports or travel
papers reside and did copies of the travel papers or passports get made and
where do they reside for those people leaving Hungary in 1904 and 1907 in
general and Munkacs in particular?

I now have good reason to ask this question since the clerk told me that the
Dutch required papers or a passport.

Thank you.

Dennis Baer


Question about licensing for kretchmas #hungary

MGS18@...
 

Recent discussions of "holds" of land, methods of making fruit liquor and
anecdotes of kretchmas brings to mind some questions. What were the
licensing requirements for whiskey or liquor sellers? Would there have
been copies of licenses issued to Jews who were in this business and can
we access these records if they exist?

Mindy Soclof


new website #general

Dmitry Meshkov <dmitrym@...>
 

May I encourage you to visit the new SADR (the State Archives
of the Dniepropetrovsk Region) SITE prepared by Dmitry Meshkov
and designed by Volodya Rubtsov

http://www.sadr.com.ua

There is extensive information about the *original archival*
documents on the history of Jews of the region can be now seen.

Please, mail your comments to: dmitrym@...

Sincerely, Dmitry Meshkov, SADR archivist


MODERATOR NOTE: We accepted Dmitry's invitation and visited
what looks like a very interesting site. However in an
attempt to inquire about further information we dutifully
clicked on MAILBOX and the mail bounced as "user unknown".
Undaunted, we emailed Dmitry and our server came back with
"configuration error" Caveat emptor!


Hungary SIG #Hungary Question about licensing for kretchmas #hungary

MGS18@...
 

Recent discussions of "holds" of land, methods of making fruit liquor and
anecdotes of kretchmas brings to mind some questions. What were the
licensing requirements for whiskey or liquor sellers? Would there have
been copies of licenses issued to Jews who were in this business and can
we access these records if they exist?

Mindy Soclof


Hungary SIG #Hungary Hungarian Passports, Once again. #hungary

Dennis Baer <dbaer@...>
 

Hello

I just spoke to a clerk at the Rotterdam Archives recently and he told me
that Hungarians or anyone for that matter needed either traveling papers or
a passport to go through Rotterdam on their way to New York. I got a
pasenger list >from the Netherlands that factually coincides with the one for
my great aunt Helen that I got >from NARA. These make up 2 different types of
passenger lists.

So I ask the question again, where do applications for passports or travel
papers reside and did copies of the travel papers or passports get made and
where do they reside for those people leaving Hungary in 1904 and 1907 in
general and Munkacs in particular?

I now have good reason to ask this question since the clerk told me that the
Dutch required papers or a passport.

Thank you.

Dennis Baer


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen new website #general

Dmitry Meshkov <dmitrym@...>
 

May I encourage you to visit the new SADR (the State Archives
of the Dniepropetrovsk Region) SITE prepared by Dmitry Meshkov
and designed by Volodya Rubtsov

http://www.sadr.com.ua

There is extensive information about the *original archival*
documents on the history of Jews of the region can be now seen.

Please, mail your comments to: dmitrym@...

Sincerely, Dmitry Meshkov, SADR archivist


MODERATOR NOTE: We accepted Dmitry's invitation and visited
what looks like a very interesting site. However in an
attempt to inquire about further information we dutifully
clicked on MAILBOX and the mail bounced as "user unknown".
Undaunted, we emailed Dmitry and our server came back with
"configuration error" Caveat emptor!


Contact for Chaim Ringwald genealogy (Marmorstein, et al) #hungary

Robert & Sarah Klein <hamoreh@...>
 

I promised to post an update about contacting the collector of the Ringwald
family tree. Here is the letter I got back >from the webmaster, Bob Duggan,
with all the necessary info:

The source of most of the Chaim Ringwald descendant genealogy is Prof.
Dr. Ervin Ringwald, Burgstrasse 108A, CH-4125 Riehen, Switzerland.

The Chaim Ringwald line was, he says, originally named Ribero (or
something like that) >from Portugal, then Amsterdam, then up the Rhine to
western Switzerland or Baden. A Ribero married a Marie Ringwald, and
within a generation all the Riberos had changed the family name to
Ringwald...

Edit Ringwald (editring@...) is a teacher in Sweden (b. in
Hungary), and she put me in touch with Prof. Dr. Ringwald.

Unfortunately, he's not on line.

Happy genealogy!

Bob in Atlanta

--
Robert S. (Bob) Duggan, Jr.

r.duggan@...

http://pages.prodigy.com/duggan


Hungary SIG #Hungary Contact for Chaim Ringwald genealogy (Marmorstein, et al) #hungary

Robert & Sarah Klein <hamoreh@...>
 

I promised to post an update about contacting the collector of the Ringwald
family tree. Here is the letter I got back >from the webmaster, Bob Duggan,
with all the necessary info:

The source of most of the Chaim Ringwald descendant genealogy is Prof.
Dr. Ervin Ringwald, Burgstrasse 108A, CH-4125 Riehen, Switzerland.

The Chaim Ringwald line was, he says, originally named Ribero (or
something like that) >from Portugal, then Amsterdam, then up the Rhine to
western Switzerland or Baden. A Ribero married a Marie Ringwald, and
within a generation all the Riberos had changed the family name to
Ringwald...

Edit Ringwald (editring@...) is a teacher in Sweden (b. in
Hungary), and she put me in touch with Prof. Dr. Ringwald.

Unfortunately, he's not on line.

Happy genealogy!

Bob in Atlanta

--
Robert S. (Bob) Duggan, Jr.

r.duggan@...

http://pages.prodigy.com/duggan


Re: h-sig digest: October 14, 1998 #hungary

Prof. Harry J. Hirschhorn <hirshorn@...>
 

kol hakoved lach reporting tales of your bubbe
quickly buy a tape recorder and vist bubbe and get as much as you can of her memories may she live to 120

mod.: Kol Hakovod is Hebrew for All honor to you essentially saying great job or well done.


Hirschhorn POB 114 Alfe menashe 44851
researching GANS family everywhere..

-----Original Message-----
From: CHERIE L. KORER <cheried@...>




Watch Bubbe on TV, November 12 on "48 Hours." She is Regina Fox.

Cherie Korer


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: h-sig digest: October 14, 1998 #hungary

Prof. Harry J. Hirschhorn <hirshorn@...>
 

kol hakoved lach reporting tales of your bubbe
quickly buy a tape recorder and vist bubbe and get as much as you can of her memories may she live to 120

mod.: Kol Hakovod is Hebrew for All honor to you essentially saying great job or well done.


Hirschhorn POB 114 Alfe menashe 44851
researching GANS family everywhere..

-----Original Message-----
From: CHERIE L. KORER <cheried@...>




Watch Bubbe on TV, November 12 on "48 Hours." She is Regina Fox.

Cherie Korer


butcher and midwife #general

sucov@...
 

David Goldman asks, after giving the CORRECT Yiddish and
Hebrew words for midwife and butcher, where did these other
(incorrect?) translations come from?

"Where does Avarteki, for midwife, come from? And "Fleishhacker?!

Here is my uneducated guess. "Avarteke" sounds to me like
the name of someone who is *waiting*, i.e. waiting for the
baby to come.
And "Fleishhacker" is clearly someone who "hacks fleish",
that is , who chops or cuts the meat. So, the slaughterer
is still the "shochet" (if we're talking about kosher meat)
but the person the shopper deals with is still the "fleishhacker".
The joys of yiddish be with you.

Gene and Ellen Sucov in Pittsburgh and Jerusalem


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen butcher and midwife #general

sucov@...
 

David Goldman asks, after giving the CORRECT Yiddish and
Hebrew words for midwife and butcher, where did these other
(incorrect?) translations come from?

"Where does Avarteki, for midwife, come from? And "Fleishhacker?!

Here is my uneducated guess. "Avarteke" sounds to me like
the name of someone who is *waiting*, i.e. waiting for the
baby to come.
And "Fleishhacker" is clearly someone who "hacks fleish",
that is , who chops or cuts the meat. So, the slaughterer
is still the "shochet" (if we're talking about kosher meat)
but the person the shopper deals with is still the "fleishhacker".
The joys of yiddish be with you.

Gene and Ellen Sucov in Pittsburgh and Jerusalem


CW Website has moved--Update links & bookmarks #general

L.M. Berkowitz <lmb@...>
 

Jewish-American History on the Web has moved to a new server.
The Geocities address is no longer valid--anyone accessing the
main page on the Geocities site will be recirected to the new
URL.

The Civil War Webring is still at the Geocities site.

Please update your links and bookmarks:

http://www.jewish-history.com/

Leah Berkowitz lmb "at" adni.net lberkow1 "at" ford.com
http://www.jewish-history.com/ Jewish-American History


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen CW Website has moved--Update links & bookmarks #general

L.M. Berkowitz <lmb@...>
 

Jewish-American History on the Web has moved to a new server.
The Geocities address is no longer valid--anyone accessing the
main page on the Geocities site will be recirected to the new
URL.

The Civil War Webring is still at the Geocities site.

Please update your links and bookmarks:

http://www.jewish-history.com/

Leah Berkowitz lmb "at" adni.net lberkow1 "at" ford.com
http://www.jewish-history.com/ Jewish-American History


Jews in Montpellier #general

micheline Gutmann <MichelineGUTMANN@...>
 

We recently received different documents published by the
city of Montpellier with articles of Daniele IANCU about
the Jews in Middle ages (many names)

Also lists of names for 1808 , marriages in 18th century.
We may give information.
Micheline GUTMANN, GenAmi, Paris, France
http://www.sgip.fr/rdegroot/genami


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Jews in Montpellier #general

micheline Gutmann <MichelineGUTMANN@...>
 

We recently received different documents published by the
city of Montpellier with articles of Daniele IANCU about
the Jews in Middle ages (many names)

Also lists of names for 1808 , marriages in 18th century.
We may give information.
Micheline GUTMANN, GenAmi, Paris, France
http://www.sgip.fr/rdegroot/genami


Serei(?), Poland #general

Karen Grayson <dyrewolf@...>
 

I am reading Max Apple's new book <italic>I Love Gootie</italic> and he
says that his family came >from a place called Serei in Poland. I used the
Shtetl Seeker but did not come up with an exact match. Does anyone know
where this was?

Karen Grayson

dyrewolf@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Serei(?), Poland #general

Karen Grayson <dyrewolf@...>
 

I am reading Max Apple's new book <italic>I Love Gootie</italic> and he
says that his family came >from a place called Serei in Poland. I used the
Shtetl Seeker but did not come up with an exact match. Does anyone know
where this was?

Karen Grayson

dyrewolf@...