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South Africa SIG #SouthAfrica Gary and Jeffory Jonsohn #southafrica

George Ryner <gwryner@...>
 

I am searching for Gary and Jefforie Jonsohn last believed to be in Port
Elizabeth. They are sons of my father cousin. I would grateful for any
information in regards to Rhee and their families.
Thanking everyone in advance.
George Ryner
gwryner@...


Gary and Jeffory Jonsohn #southafrica

George Ryner <gwryner@...>
 

I am searching for Gary and Jefforie Jonsohn last believed to be in Port
Elizabeth. They are sons of my father cousin. I would grateful for any
information in regards to Rhee and their families.
Thanking everyone in advance.
George Ryner
gwryner@...


South Africa SIG #SouthAfrica Johannesburg, Goldene Medina exhibition #southafrica

Saul Issroff
 

Johannesburg, Goldene Medina exhibition

https://youtu.be/G0ktDlQwqLU

Saul Issroff


Johannesburg, Goldene Medina exhibition #southafrica

Saul Issroff
 

Johannesburg, Goldene Medina exhibition

https://youtu.be/G0ktDlQwqLU

Saul Issroff


Re: Unrecorded marriage (Shtille Chupa) #general

Anita Goldhill
 

Would any readers know if these unregulated marriages went on in the USA
South Africa and possibly Australia at the end of the 19th century and
the beginning of the 20th century as it did in London and possibly other
cities in England where poor Eastern European Jews settled? and if it
did how was the practice abolished in these countries.

Many Thanks.

kind regards

Anita Benson
London UK.


Name of a shtetl in Ukraine #general

yael polat
 

Shalom,
I have for the same person three different names as a birth place:
- Romanov
- Nitzgoursa
- Bolchi Nizgoura
I cannot find the two last ones neither in JewishGen nor in Ukrainian
maps, in the vicinity of Romano/iv.
Any ideas?
The places' names are taken >from French documents.
Yael Polat
Israel


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Unrecorded marriage (Shtille Chupa) #general

Anita Goldhill
 

Would any readers know if these unregulated marriages went on in the USA
South Africa and possibly Australia at the end of the 19th century and
the beginning of the 20th century as it did in London and possibly other
cities in England where poor Eastern European Jews settled? and if it
did how was the practice abolished in these countries.

Many Thanks.

kind regards

Anita Benson
London UK.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Name of a shtetl in Ukraine #general

yael polat
 

Shalom,
I have for the same person three different names as a birth place:
- Romanov
- Nitzgoursa
- Bolchi Nizgoura
I cannot find the two last ones neither in JewishGen nor in Ukrainian
maps, in the vicinity of Romano/iv.
Any ideas?
The places' names are taken >from French documents.
Yael Polat
Israel


Re: Unrecorded marriage #general

vangheluwe.smietan
 

I can quote the case of a rabbi accredited to the civil registry and fallen
to not register a religious marriage:
"Icek GRYNCAJG (or GRUNZEIG, or GRUNCWEJG), rabbi of the 5th district of
Warsaw, despite the law, did not register the marriage contracted by
Hindensa (Hindesa) nee GESUNDHEIT (GEZUNDCHEJT) on 16 July 1891. To the
extent that he has already been convicted twice violating the rules on civil
registers, the Warsaw police commander sentenced him to pay a fine of 90
rubles and to be banned by binding order to practice rabbinic affairs.
False marriages were one of the tricks of Jewish pimps to capture their
young victims. Personally having an ancestor soaked in this kind of story, I
could have some indirect datas on your subject if you develop it. Contact me
privatly if necessary.

Daniel VANGHELUWE, France


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Unrecorded marriage #general

vangheluwe.smietan
 

I can quote the case of a rabbi accredited to the civil registry and fallen
to not register a religious marriage:
"Icek GRYNCAJG (or GRUNZEIG, or GRUNCWEJG), rabbi of the 5th district of
Warsaw, despite the law, did not register the marriage contracted by
Hindensa (Hindesa) nee GESUNDHEIT (GEZUNDCHEJT) on 16 July 1891. To the
extent that he has already been convicted twice violating the rules on civil
registers, the Warsaw police commander sentenced him to pay a fine of 90
rubles and to be banned by binding order to practice rabbinic affairs.
False marriages were one of the tricks of Jewish pimps to capture their
young victims. Personally having an ancestor soaked in this kind of story, I
could have some indirect datas on your subject if you develop it. Contact me
privatly if necessary.

Daniel VANGHELUWE, France


Descendants of Moshe of Kletzk-18th cent. #general

Yonatan Ben-Ari
 

In my ABRAMOWITZ family there is a certain source that we are
descendant of a Moshe of Kletzk who was also the father of a Rabbi
David who served as the Rav of Novarodok >from 1799 till about 1850.
The sources I have seen do not mention a family name for either Moshe
or David.

Several years ago, when I first posted this subject I was contacted by
an OGULNICK family in the USA who told me that they were descendants
of Rabbi David and would be happy to include my branch to their family
tree data. I couldn't comply as my family source did not give exact
details.

As I mentioned above we , supposedly, stem >from Moshe qnd not from
David who went to Novarodok to be their Rabbi, but my ABRAMOWITZ
ancestors do hail >from Novarodok, so it could be that David's brother
(my unamed ancestor) went to live there also.

I was told by someone on this forum that David went under the family
name of TCHEMERINSKY but I have found no other source to confirm this
fact. (Prof. Chaim WEITZMAN, first President of Israel was a member of
this family).

Rabbi David's son-in-law who published (David's) book was a RABINOWITZ.

I would be very happy to hear >from anyone,especially the AGOLNICK
family if they have any information regarding other children of the
above Moshe of Kletzk and/or Rabbi David's family name.

TIA.

Shana Tova to one and all.

Yoni Ben-Ari, Jerusalem


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Descendants of Moshe of Kletzk-18th cent. #general

Yonatan Ben-Ari
 

In my ABRAMOWITZ family there is a certain source that we are
descendant of a Moshe of Kletzk who was also the father of a Rabbi
David who served as the Rav of Novarodok >from 1799 till about 1850.
The sources I have seen do not mention a family name for either Moshe
or David.

Several years ago, when I first posted this subject I was contacted by
an OGULNICK family in the USA who told me that they were descendants
of Rabbi David and would be happy to include my branch to their family
tree data. I couldn't comply as my family source did not give exact
details.

As I mentioned above we , supposedly, stem >from Moshe qnd not from
David who went to Novarodok to be their Rabbi, but my ABRAMOWITZ
ancestors do hail >from Novarodok, so it could be that David's brother
(my unamed ancestor) went to live there also.

I was told by someone on this forum that David went under the family
name of TCHEMERINSKY but I have found no other source to confirm this
fact. (Prof. Chaim WEITZMAN, first President of Israel was a member of
this family).

Rabbi David's son-in-law who published (David's) book was a RABINOWITZ.

I would be very happy to hear >from anyone,especially the AGOLNICK
family if they have any information regarding other children of the
above Moshe of Kletzk and/or Rabbi David's family name.

TIA.

Shana Tova to one and all.

Yoni Ben-Ari, Jerusalem


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Descendants of Moshe of Kletzk-18th cent. #rabbinic

Yonatan Ben-Ari
 

In my ABRAMOWITZ family there is a certain source that we are
descendant of a Moshe of Kletzk who was also the father of a Rabbi
David who served as the Rav of Novarodok >from 1799 till about 1850.
The sources I have seen do not mention a family name for either Moshe
or David.

Several years ago, when I first posted this subject I was contacted by
an OGULNICK family in the USA who told me that they were descendants
of Rabbi David and would be happy to include my branch to their family
tree data. I couldn't comply as my family source did not give exact
details.

As I mentioned above we , supposedly, stem >from Moshe qnd not from
David who went to Novarodok to be their Rabbi, but my ABRAMOWITZ
ancestors do hail >from Novarodok, so it could be that David's brother
(my unamed ancestor) went to live there also.

I was told by someone on this forum that David went under the family
name of TCHEMERINSKY but I have found no other source to confirm this
fact. (Prof. Chaim WEITZMAN, first President of Israel was a member of
this family).

Rabbi David's son-in-law who published (David's) book was a RABINOWITZ.

I would be very happy to hear >from anyone,especially the AGOLNICK
family if they have any information regarding other children of the
above Moshe of Kletzk and/or Rabbi David's family name.

TIA.

Shana Tova to one and all.

Yoni Ben-Ari, Jerusalem


Descendants of Moshe of Kletzk-18th cent. #rabbinic

Yonatan Ben-Ari
 

In my ABRAMOWITZ family there is a certain source that we are
descendant of a Moshe of Kletzk who was also the father of a Rabbi
David who served as the Rav of Novarodok >from 1799 till about 1850.
The sources I have seen do not mention a family name for either Moshe
or David.

Several years ago, when I first posted this subject I was contacted by
an OGULNICK family in the USA who told me that they were descendants
of Rabbi David and would be happy to include my branch to their family
tree data. I couldn't comply as my family source did not give exact
details.

As I mentioned above we , supposedly, stem >from Moshe qnd not from
David who went to Novarodok to be their Rabbi, but my ABRAMOWITZ
ancestors do hail >from Novarodok, so it could be that David's brother
(my unamed ancestor) went to live there also.

I was told by someone on this forum that David went under the family
name of TCHEMERINSKY but I have found no other source to confirm this
fact. (Prof. Chaim WEITZMAN, first President of Israel was a member of
this family).

Rabbi David's son-in-law who published (David's) book was a RABINOWITZ.

I would be very happy to hear >from anyone,especially the AGOLNICK
family if they have any information regarding other children of the
above Moshe of Kletzk and/or Rabbi David's family name.

TIA.

Shana Tova to one and all.

Yoni Ben-Ari, Jerusalem


Research help in Aub #germany

Maury Kitces
 

Hi everyone,

Trying to get some research done in Aub.

Does anyone know if there are records worth searching for in the Aub archives?

Any recommendations for a researcher I could hire?

Thanks.

Maury Kitces maury.kitces@...

Seeking: OPPENHEIMER and MANDELBAUM in Aub
LANG and OBERNDOERFER in Billigheim


German SIG #Germany Research help in Aub #germany

Maury Kitces
 

Hi everyone,

Trying to get some research done in Aub.

Does anyone know if there are records worth searching for in the Aub archives?

Any recommendations for a researcher I could hire?

Thanks.

Maury Kitces maury.kitces@...

Seeking: OPPENHEIMER and MANDELBAUM in Aub
LANG and OBERNDOERFER in Billigheim


Re: Unrecorded marriage (Shtille Chupa) #general

rayvenna@...
 

Even today there are some groups of Jews in the United States that
perform religious marriages but not civil marriages. This is not
illegal in the United States, unless it is done for the purpose of
defrauding the government (such as to collect welfare or other benefits
given to poor unwed mothers). Another reason this might be done is for
an Orthodox couple that wants to marry but hasn't completed a civil
divorce. This practice is discouraged in most Orthodox Jewish
communities, but still sometimes happens.

Mindie Kaplan
Montgomery Village, MD

http://mindiekaplan.blogspot.com
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/AnyksciaiLithuania/
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/SmorgonBelarus/

----- Original Message -----
From: "Anita Benson anitagoldhill@..."
Sent: Tuesday, September 5, 2017 6:35:33 AM

Would any readers know if these unregulated marriages went on in the USA
South Africa and possibly Australia at the end of the 19th century and
the beginning of the 20th century as it did in London and possibly other
cities in England where poor Eastern European Jews settled? and if it
did how was the practice abolished in these countries.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Unrecorded marriage (Shtille Chupa) #general

rayvenna@...
 

Even today there are some groups of Jews in the United States that
perform religious marriages but not civil marriages. This is not
illegal in the United States, unless it is done for the purpose of
defrauding the government (such as to collect welfare or other benefits
given to poor unwed mothers). Another reason this might be done is for
an Orthodox couple that wants to marry but hasn't completed a civil
divorce. This practice is discouraged in most Orthodox Jewish
communities, but still sometimes happens.

Mindie Kaplan
Montgomery Village, MD

http://mindiekaplan.blogspot.com
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/AnyksciaiLithuania/
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/SmorgonBelarus/

----- Original Message -----
From: "Anita Benson anitagoldhill@..."
Sent: Tuesday, September 5, 2017 6:35:33 AM

Would any readers know if these unregulated marriages went on in the USA
South Africa and possibly Australia at the end of the 19th century and
the beginning of the 20th century as it did in London and possibly other
cities in England where poor Eastern European Jews settled? and if it
did how was the practice abolished in these countries.


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Lithuanian Family Roots #lithuania

Gillam Keinan <gillam49@...>
 

Like the vast majority of South African Jews I am of Litvak stock.

Most of my life I have lived in Israel.

I recently went on a Roots/Heritage tour of Lithuania. I came back
with many satisfying experiences. Nevertheless I am still in the dark
about unknown ancestors and also cousins/relatives. (Of course I am
aware of all my South African first cousins).

I also did a DNA test with the hope of identifying additional
relatives - mainly in the States, without much success so far.

All my great grandparents hail >from Lithuania. One is >from Bialystok -
which is close by. Needless to say their children - my grandparents
all emigrated to South Africa.

Here are the details of my great grandparents who remained behind in
Lithuania. I estimate that they were born in the period 1850 - 1870

1a) Vilkomir (today, Ukmerge ) - Avram Shlioma and Zipporah Frank

1b) Kupishok ( today - Kupikis) - Avram Shlioma and Hannah-Lea
Frank (Zipporah passed away at a young age and he remarried).

2) Kibarti (today - Kybartai) Joseph and Rivka Stern.

3) Vilkomir - Joseph and Gila Josephson

4) Bialystok - Nachman and Leah Donovsky (My great-grandparents who
did emigrate to South Africa - via London) I met them when I was a
young kid in the early fifties.

Note: unfortunately I do not have the maiden names of any of my
great-grandmothers.

If any of these names (Frank, Stern, Josephson, Donovsky) ring a bell
in the appropriate context, I'd be happy to hear >from you.

Gillam Frank - Keinan
Mevasseret-Zion
Israel
gillam49@...

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Have you searched the LitvakSIG All Lithuania Database
for the various surnames you list above?


Lithuanian Family Roots #lithuania

Gillam Keinan <gillam49@...>
 

Like the vast majority of South African Jews I am of Litvak stock.

Most of my life I have lived in Israel.

I recently went on a Roots/Heritage tour of Lithuania. I came back
with many satisfying experiences. Nevertheless I am still in the dark
about unknown ancestors and also cousins/relatives. (Of course I am
aware of all my South African first cousins).

I also did a DNA test with the hope of identifying additional
relatives - mainly in the States, without much success so far.

All my great grandparents hail >from Lithuania. One is >from Bialystok -
which is close by. Needless to say their children - my grandparents
all emigrated to South Africa.

Here are the details of my great grandparents who remained behind in
Lithuania. I estimate that they were born in the period 1850 - 1870

1a) Vilkomir (today, Ukmerge ) - Avram Shlioma and Zipporah Frank

1b) Kupishok ( today - Kupikis) - Avram Shlioma and Hannah-Lea
Frank (Zipporah passed away at a young age and he remarried).

2) Kibarti (today - Kybartai) Joseph and Rivka Stern.

3) Vilkomir - Joseph and Gila Josephson

4) Bialystok - Nachman and Leah Donovsky (My great-grandparents who
did emigrate to South Africa - via London) I met them when I was a
young kid in the early fifties.

Note: unfortunately I do not have the maiden names of any of my
great-grandmothers.

If any of these names (Frank, Stern, Josephson, Donovsky) ring a bell
in the appropriate context, I'd be happy to hear >from you.

Gillam Frank - Keinan
Mevasseret-Zion
Israel
gillam49@...

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Have you searched the LitvakSIG All Lithuania Database
for the various surnames you list above?

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