I can quote the case of a rabbi accredited to the civil registry and fallen
to not register a religious marriage:
"Icek GRYNCAJG (or GRUNZEIG, or GRUNCWEJG), rabbi of the 5th district of
Warsaw, despite the law, did not register the marriage contracted by
Hindensa (Hindesa) nee GESUNDHEIT (GEZUNDCHEJT) on 16 July 1891. To the
extent that he has already been convicted twice violating the rules on civil
registers, the Warsaw police commander sentenced him to pay a fine of 90
rubles and to be banned by binding order to practice rabbinic affairs.
False marriages were one of the tricks of Jewish pimps to capture their
young victims. Personally having an ancestor soaked in this kind of story, I
could have some indirect datas on your subject if you develop it. Contact me
privatly if necessary.

Daniel VANGHELUWE, France

I can quote the case of a rabbi accredited to the civil registry and fallen
to not register a religious marriage:
"Icek GRYNCAJG (or GRUNZEIG, or GRUNCWEJG), rabbi of the 5th district of
Warsaw, despite the law, did not register the marriage contracted by
Hindensa (Hindesa) nee GESUNDHEIT (GEZUNDCHEJT) on 16 July 1891. To the
extent that he has already been convicted twice violating the rules on civil
registers, the Warsaw police commander sentenced him to pay a fine of 90
rubles and to be banned by binding order to practice rabbinic affairs.
False marriages were one of the tricks of Jewish pimps to capture their
young victims. Personally having an ancestor soaked in this kind of story, I
could have some indirect datas on your subject if you develop it. Contact me
privatly if necessary.

Daniel VANGHELUWE, France

In my ABRAMOWITZ family there is a certain source that we are
descendant of a Moshe of Kletzk who was also the father of a Rabbi
David who served as the Rav of Novarodok >from 1799 till about 1850.
The sources I have seen do not mention a family name for either Moshe
or David.

Several years ago, when I first posted this subject I was contacted by
an OGULNICK family in the USA who told me that they were descendants
of Rabbi David and would be happy to include my branch to their family
tree data. I couldn't comply as my family source did not give exact
details.

As I mentioned above we , supposedly, stem >from Moshe qnd not from
David who went to Novarodok to be their Rabbi, but my ABRAMOWITZ
ancestors do hail >from Novarodok, so it could be that David's brother
(my unamed ancestor) went to live there also.

I was told by someone on this forum that David went under the family
name of TCHEMERINSKY but I have found no other source to confirm this
fact. (Prof. Chaim WEITZMAN, first President of Israel was a member of
this family).

Rabbi David's son-in-law who published (David's) book was a RABINOWITZ.

I would be very happy to hear >from anyone,especially the AGOLNICK
family if they have any information regarding other children of the
above Moshe of Kletzk and/or Rabbi David's family name.

TIA.

Shana Tova to one and all.

Yoni Ben-Ari, Jerusalem

In my ABRAMOWITZ family there is a certain source that we are
descendant of a Moshe of Kletzk who was also the father of a Rabbi
David who served as the Rav of Novarodok >from 1799 till about 1850.
The sources I have seen do not mention a family name for either Moshe
or David.

Several years ago, when I first posted this subject I was contacted by
an OGULNICK family in the USA who told me that they were descendants
of Rabbi David and would be happy to include my branch to their family
tree data. I couldn't comply as my family source did not give exact
details.

As I mentioned above we , supposedly, stem >from Moshe qnd not from
David who went to Novarodok to be their Rabbi, but my ABRAMOWITZ
ancestors do hail >from Novarodok, so it could be that David's brother
(my unamed ancestor) went to live there also.

I was told by someone on this forum that David went under the family
name of TCHEMERINSKY but I have found no other source to confirm this
fact. (Prof. Chaim WEITZMAN, first President of Israel was a member of
this family).

Rabbi David's son-in-law who published (David's) book was a RABINOWITZ.

I would be very happy to hear >from anyone,especially the AGOLNICK
family if they have any information regarding other children of the
above Moshe of Kletzk and/or Rabbi David's family name.

TIA.

Shana Tova to one and all.

Yoni Ben-Ari, Jerusalem

In my ABRAMOWITZ family there is a certain source that we are
descendant of a Moshe of Kletzk who was also the father of a Rabbi
David who served as the Rav of Novarodok >from 1799 till about 1850.
The sources I have seen do not mention a family name for either Moshe
or David.

Several years ago, when I first posted this subject I was contacted by
an OGULNICK family in the USA who told me that they were descendants
of Rabbi David and would be happy to include my branch to their family
tree data. I couldn't comply as my family source did not give exact
details.

As I mentioned above we , supposedly, stem >from Moshe qnd not from
David who went to Novarodok to be their Rabbi, but my ABRAMOWITZ
ancestors do hail >from Novarodok, so it could be that David's brother
(my unamed ancestor) went to live there also.

I was told by someone on this forum that David went under the family
name of TCHEMERINSKY but I have found no other source to confirm this
fact. (Prof. Chaim WEITZMAN, first President of Israel was a member of
this family).

Rabbi David's son-in-law who published (David's) book was a RABINOWITZ.

I would be very happy to hear >from anyone,especially the AGOLNICK
family if they have any information regarding other children of the
above Moshe of Kletzk and/or Rabbi David's family name.

TIA.

Shana Tova to one and all.

Yoni Ben-Ari, Jerusalem

In my ABRAMOWITZ family there is a certain source that we are
descendant of a Moshe of Kletzk who was also the father of a Rabbi
David who served as the Rav of Novarodok >from 1799 till about 1850.
The sources I have seen do not mention a family name for either Moshe
or David.

Several years ago, when I first posted this subject I was contacted by
an OGULNICK family in the USA who told me that they were descendants
of Rabbi David and would be happy to include my branch to their family
tree data. I couldn't comply as my family source did not give exact
details.

As I mentioned above we , supposedly, stem >from Moshe qnd not from
David who went to Novarodok to be their Rabbi, but my ABRAMOWITZ
ancestors do hail >from Novarodok, so it could be that David's brother
(my unamed ancestor) went to live there also.

I was told by someone on this forum that David went under the family
name of TCHEMERINSKY but I have found no other source to confirm this
fact. (Prof. Chaim WEITZMAN, first President of Israel was a member of
this family).

Rabbi David's son-in-law who published (David's) book was a RABINOWITZ.

I would be very happy to hear >from anyone,especially the AGOLNICK
family if they have any information regarding other children of the
above Moshe of Kletzk and/or Rabbi David's family name.

TIA.

Shana Tova to one and all.

Yoni Ben-Ari, Jerusalem

Hi everyone,

Trying to get some research done in Aub.

Does anyone know if there are records worth searching for in the Aub archives?

Any recommendations for a researcher I could hire?

Thanks.

Maury Kitces maury.kitces@...

Seeking: OPPENHEIMER and MANDELBAUM in Aub
LANG and OBERNDOERFER in Billigheim

Hi everyone,

Trying to get some research done in Aub.

Does anyone know if there are records worth searching for in the Aub archives?

Any recommendations for a researcher I could hire?

Thanks.

Maury Kitces maury.kitces@...

Seeking: OPPENHEIMER and MANDELBAUM in Aub
LANG and OBERNDOERFER in Billigheim

Even today there are some groups of Jews in the United States that
perform religious marriages but not civil marriages. This is not
illegal in the United States, unless it is done for the purpose of
defrauding the government (such as to collect welfare or other benefits
given to poor unwed mothers). Another reason this might be done is for
an Orthodox couple that wants to marry but hasn't completed a civil
divorce. This practice is discouraged in most Orthodox Jewish
communities, but still sometimes happens.

Mindie Kaplan
Montgomery Village, MD

http://mindiekaplan.blogspot.com
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/AnyksciaiLithuania/
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/SmorgonBelarus/

Even today there are some groups of Jews in the United States that
perform religious marriages but not civil marriages. This is not
illegal in the United States, unless it is done for the purpose of
defrauding the government (such as to collect welfare or other benefits
given to poor unwed mothers). Another reason this might be done is for
an Orthodox couple that wants to marry but hasn't completed a civil
divorce. This practice is discouraged in most Orthodox Jewish
communities, but still sometimes happens.

Mindie Kaplan
Montgomery Village, MD

http://mindiekaplan.blogspot.com
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/AnyksciaiLithuania/
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/SmorgonBelarus/

Like the vast majority of South African Jews I am of Litvak stock.

Most of my life I have lived in Israel.

I recently went on a Roots/Heritage tour of Lithuania. I came back
with many satisfying experiences. Nevertheless I am still in the dark
about unknown ancestors and also cousins/relatives. (Of course I am
aware of all my South African first cousins).

I also did a DNA test with the hope of identifying additional
relatives - mainly in the States, without much success so far.

All my great grandparents hail >from Lithuania. One is >from Bialystok -
which is close by. Needless to say their children - my grandparents
all emigrated to South Africa.

Here are the details of my great grandparents who remained behind in
Lithuania. I estimate that they were born in the period 1850 - 1870

1a) Vilkomir (today, Ukmerge ) - Avram Shlioma and Zipporah Frank

1b) Kupishok ( today - Kupikis) - Avram Shlioma and Hannah-Lea
Frank (Zipporah passed away at a young age and he remarried).

2) Kibarti (today - Kybartai) Joseph and Rivka Stern.

3) Vilkomir - Joseph and Gila Josephson

4) Bialystok - Nachman and Leah Donovsky (My great-grandparents who
did emigrate to South Africa - via London) I met them when I was a
young kid in the early fifties.

Note: unfortunately I do not have the maiden names of any of my
great-grandmothers.

If any of these names (Frank, Stern, Josephson, Donovsky) ring a bell
in the appropriate context, I'd be happy to hear >from you.

Gillam Frank - Keinan
Mevasseret-Zion
Israel
gillam49@...

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Have you searched the LitvakSIG All Lithuania Database
for the various surnames you list above?

Like the vast majority of South African Jews I am of Litvak stock.

Most of my life I have lived in Israel.

I recently went on a Roots/Heritage tour of Lithuania. I came back
with many satisfying experiences. Nevertheless I am still in the dark
about unknown ancestors and also cousins/relatives. (Of course I am
aware of all my South African first cousins).

I also did a DNA test with the hope of identifying additional
relatives - mainly in the States, without much success so far.

All my great grandparents hail >from Lithuania. One is >from Bialystok -
which is close by. Needless to say their children - my grandparents
all emigrated to South Africa.

Here are the details of my great grandparents who remained behind in
Lithuania. I estimate that they were born in the period 1850 - 1870

1a) Vilkomir (today, Ukmerge ) - Avram Shlioma and Zipporah Frank

1b) Kupishok ( today - Kupikis) - Avram Shlioma and Hannah-Lea
Frank (Zipporah passed away at a young age and he remarried).

2) Kibarti (today - Kybartai) Joseph and Rivka Stern.

3) Vilkomir - Joseph and Gila Josephson

4) Bialystok - Nachman and Leah Donovsky (My great-grandparents who
did emigrate to South Africa - via London) I met them when I was a
young kid in the early fifties.

Note: unfortunately I do not have the maiden names of any of my
great-grandmothers.

If any of these names (Frank, Stern, Josephson, Donovsky) ring a bell
in the appropriate context, I'd be happy to hear >from you.

Gillam Frank - Keinan
Mevasseret-Zion
Israel
gillam49@...

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Have you searched the LitvakSIG All Lithuania Database
for the various surnames you list above?

Jules Feldman asks:

My suspicion is that the relevant official took a previous list and updated
the ages without checking who was present in the town.
What can the mavens tell us?

I may or may not be a maven, but my experience with revision lists from
Lithuania is that the officials did ask about people who were previously
recorded and not present, noting their current status, e.g. died,
conscripted, moved away. That may be why the census records were called
revision lists!

------
David J Ellis
Natick, MA 01760
djemkitso@...

Jules Feldman asks:

My suspicion is that the relevant official took a previous list and updated
the ages without checking who was present in the town.
What can the mavens tell us?

I may or may not be a maven, but my experience with revision lists from
Lithuania is that the officials did ask about people who were previously
recorded and not present, noting their current status, e.g. died,
conscripted, moved away. That may be why the census records were called
revision lists!

------
David J Ellis
Natick, MA 01760
djemkitso@...

I am in charge of bringing an exhibit to Maui, Hawaii, (where I live),
entitled The German Roots of Zionism. It will be on display for 3 months at
our local Nisei Veterans Memorial Center, probably starting August 2018. We
are trying to tie the exhibit in with a Hawaiian-Japanese theme as well. The
522nd Field Artillery Battalion was activated February 1, 1943, at Camp
Shelby, Mississippi, as part of the 442nd Regimental Combat Team. The unit
was comprised of both mainland and Hawaii Japanese Americans. It is best
known for liberating some of the Dachau sub-camps.

I would therefore like to make contact with anyone who has personal
information (documents, photos, testimonials, etc.) about Jews liberated

from Dachau sub-camps by the 522nd Field Artillery Battalion. We would like

to display such personal items in a display case for the duration of the
exhibit.

Please contact me privately at elamj@.... Thank you.

Judith Elam
Kihei, Hawaii

I have a group of 20 records in total composed of births, deaths,
and a marriage or two. The copies are very legible if some
generous person would like to translate.

It would be easiest to work directly with someone via email
rather than via viewmate, in case you were wondering.

Thanks in advance for any help.

Kind regards

Joe Glass

Please reply to my email. Thank you.

I am in charge of bringing an exhibit to Maui, Hawaii, (where I live),
entitled The German Roots of Zionism. It will be on display for 3 months at
our local Nisei Veterans Memorial Center, probably starting August 2018. We
are trying to tie the exhibit in with a Hawaiian-Japanese theme as well. The
522nd Field Artillery Battalion was activated February 1, 1943, at Camp
Shelby, Mississippi, as part of the 442nd Regimental Combat Team. The unit
was comprised of both mainland and Hawaii Japanese Americans. It is best
known for liberating some of the Dachau sub-camps.

I would therefore like to make contact with anyone who has personal
information (documents, photos, testimonials, etc.) about Jews liberated

from Dachau sub-camps by the 522nd Field Artillery Battalion. We would like

to display such personal items in a display case for the duration of the
exhibit.

Please contact me privately at elamj@.... Thank you.

Judith Elam
Kihei, Hawaii

I have a group of 20 records in total composed of births, deaths,
and a marriage or two. The copies are very legible if some
generous person would like to translate.

It would be easiest to work directly with someone via email
rather than via viewmate, in case you were wondering.

Thanks in advance for any help.

Kind regards

Joe Glass

Please reply to my email. Thank you.

Rob this is the correct SIG for your post.
Here are a few addresses that may help.
National Archives of Estonia
J.Liivi 4 Tartu 50409
Email rahvusarhiivi@...

Archives of Latvia and Estonia Jews in Israel
Hof Hasharon Shefayim 60990
Appointment is needed if visiting. Material is in many languages and family
trees are in manuscript form. There are books on various Jewish
Communites,photos and oral testimonies in manuscript form.
Searches >from abroad cost 20 dollars per search.
Good page to visit
https://www.jewishgen.org/courland/data_by_sources.htm#shefayim

University of Tartu has collections of the following organisations
Jewish Student Treasury
Academic Jewish Society of Literature and History (1918)
Academic Society for Jewish History and Culture (1920-1941)
The Society of Jewish Female Students Hacfiro (1925-1938)
The Academic Jewish Society Limuwia(1940)
The Academic Society for the Studies of Judaism Shalal (1932-1939)

Hope this helps You should use the Latvia and the Courland Discussion
Lists.

Arlene Beare(UK)
Dorfman (born Birzai Lithuania and then lived in Riga)
Scher/Blum(born Pandelys Lithuania and then lived in Riga)
Berman (born Lygumai Lithuania and then lived in Jekabpils Latvia
Samuels - Benjamin and brother Joseph Poland Krakow and Zychlin
Dembinski Zychlin
Ring Poland

---
Original message:

Where on Jewishgen.org -- which discussion list and SIG -- should I go for
information about my ancestors in Tartu (Dorpat)?

Tartu today is in Estonia. It's about 140 miles northeast of Riga.

Thank you.

Rob Sacks
New York City
robsacks@...

Rob this is the correct SIG for your post.
Here are a few addresses that may help.
National Archives of Estonia
J.Liivi 4 Tartu 50409
Email rahvusarhiivi@...

Archives of Latvia and Estonia Jews in Israel
Hof Hasharon Shefayim 60990
Appointment is needed if visiting. Material is in many languages and family
trees are in manuscript form. There are books on various Jewish
Communites,photos and oral testimonies in manuscript form.
Searches >from abroad cost 20 dollars per search.
Good page to visit
https://www.jewishgen.org/courland/data_by_sources.htm#shefayim

University of Tartu has collections of the following organisations
Jewish Student Treasury
Academic Jewish Society of Literature and History (1918)
Academic Society for Jewish History and Culture (1920-1941)
The Society of Jewish Female Students Hacfiro (1925-1938)
The Academic Jewish Society Limuwia(1940)
The Academic Society for the Studies of Judaism Shalal (1932-1939)

Hope this helps You should use the Latvia and the Courland Discussion
Lists.

Arlene Beare(UK)
Dorfman (born Birzai Lithuania and then lived in Riga)
Scher/Blum(born Pandelys Lithuania and then lived in Riga)
Berman (born Lygumai Lithuania and then lived in Jekabpils Latvia
Samuels - Benjamin and brother Joseph Poland Krakow and Zychlin
Dembinski Zychlin
Ring Poland

---
Original message:

Where on Jewishgen.org -- which discussion list and SIG -- should I go for
information about my ancestors in Tartu (Dorpat)?

Tartu today is in Estonia. It's about 140 miles northeast of Riga.

Thank you.

Rob Sacks
New York City
robsacks@...