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Need explanation for unexpected DNA results #dna

V Munteanu <vmunteanu@...>
 

Hi There,
Could anyone help me please, understand this mystery?
On myheritage.com on my DNA matches I found someone with with who
"I do not have any ethnicity in common" but the Estimated relationship
is 1st cousin twice removed -5th cousin. How could this be possible? I
look forward to hearing >from you.
Kind regards,
Virginia Munteanu
vmunteanu@...


DNA Research #DNA Need explanation for unexpected DNA results #dna

V Munteanu <vmunteanu@...>
 

Hi There,
Could anyone help me please, understand this mystery?
On myheritage.com on my DNA matches I found someone with with who
"I do not have any ethnicity in common" but the Estimated relationship
is 1st cousin twice removed -5th cousin. How could this be possible? I
look forward to hearing >from you.
Kind regards,
Virginia Munteanu
vmunteanu@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Searching for CHALOWSKY-Krivoye Ozero, Ukraine #general

Louise Goldstein <lgoldstein@...>
 

I am contemplating a roots trip to Poland and Ukraine and wonder
if anyone has been to Krivoye Ozero, Ukraine, is aware of
competent local guides, whether anyone else is researching
ancestors >from Krivoye Ozero and whether anyone is aware of any
records or other resources.

I'm a long-time researcher trying to get past the ship manifest brick
wall of my paternal grandmother, Molly (Malke) CHALEWSKY/
CHALLOV, which has long eluded me despite every effort in the
usual resources, including on JewishGen (including Ukraine SIG),
Ancestry, Family Search, Ellis Island, NARA and so forth; every
document I have for her (census, marriage certification, son's birth
certificate, her death certificate) just says "Russia" for birthplace.
She died in 1926 and so never applied for nor received Social Security
benefits. She became a citizen through her husband (pre-1926) and I
haven't been able to locate his naturalization papers.

I have researched her brother and sister; they were both >from Krivoye
Ozera, Balta District, Podolia province (Now in Odessa district, Ukraine)
so there's a good chance that she was, too.

I have also checked the Routes to Roots Foundation, where seven kinds
of records are listed for Krivoye Ozera; however, in 2003 there was a
massive fire in the Kamenets Podolsky archives where they were kept
and the little that was left was transferred to the Khmelnitskiy Oblast
Archives. The 1875 Revision Lists for Balta district are not yet posted
on the JewishGen Ukraine Database. Or other sources? I did check
this discussion group's archives. I'm searching for:

CHELOWSKY/CHALOWSKIJ, Yitzchak, wife #1 Sure;
wife #2 Anna GOLDBERG/GOLDENBERG (Molly's mother); there may
be a divorce record.
Children Herschel CHALOWSKY, aka Harry (b. 1884, JELOVSKY in
Argentina pre-1907, immigrated US 1907), Chaije ZLOTNICK, aka Ida
(b. 1887, immigrated US 1909), Malke, aka Molly (b. 1886 or 1887,
immigrated US ~1913-14).

Louise Goldstein, Madison WI, USA

CHALOWSKY/GOLDBERG, Krivoye Ozera, Ukraine; GOLDSTEIN/
GOLDSTERN/ROSENSUMMEN/HERSCHENFELD/WEINSTROM/BRANDT,
Terespol, Poland/Brest Litovsk, Belarus; BATTALEN/WOLOFF, Voronezh,
Russia; RONEN, Kiev, Ukraine; PASHKOFF, Fastov, Ukraine.

MODERATOR NOTE: Please send recommendations privately.


Searching for CHALOWSKY-Krivoye Ozero, Ukraine #general

Louise Goldstein <lgoldstein@...>
 

I am contemplating a roots trip to Poland and Ukraine and wonder
if anyone has been to Krivoye Ozero, Ukraine, is aware of
competent local guides, whether anyone else is researching
ancestors >from Krivoye Ozero and whether anyone is aware of any
records or other resources.

I'm a long-time researcher trying to get past the ship manifest brick
wall of my paternal grandmother, Molly (Malke) CHALEWSKY/
CHALLOV, which has long eluded me despite every effort in the
usual resources, including on JewishGen (including Ukraine SIG),
Ancestry, Family Search, Ellis Island, NARA and so forth; every
document I have for her (census, marriage certification, son's birth
certificate, her death certificate) just says "Russia" for birthplace.
She died in 1926 and so never applied for nor received Social Security
benefits. She became a citizen through her husband (pre-1926) and I
haven't been able to locate his naturalization papers.

I have researched her brother and sister; they were both >from Krivoye
Ozera, Balta District, Podolia province (Now in Odessa district, Ukraine)
so there's a good chance that she was, too.

I have also checked the Routes to Roots Foundation, where seven kinds
of records are listed for Krivoye Ozera; however, in 2003 there was a
massive fire in the Kamenets Podolsky archives where they were kept
and the little that was left was transferred to the Khmelnitskiy Oblast
Archives. The 1875 Revision Lists for Balta district are not yet posted
on the JewishGen Ukraine Database. Or other sources? I did check
this discussion group's archives. I'm searching for:

CHELOWSKY/CHALOWSKIJ, Yitzchak, wife #1 Sure;
wife #2 Anna GOLDBERG/GOLDENBERG (Molly's mother); there may
be a divorce record.
Children Herschel CHALOWSKY, aka Harry (b. 1884, JELOVSKY in
Argentina pre-1907, immigrated US 1907), Chaije ZLOTNICK, aka Ida
(b. 1887, immigrated US 1909), Malke, aka Molly (b. 1886 or 1887,
immigrated US ~1913-14).

Louise Goldstein, Madison WI, USA

CHALOWSKY/GOLDBERG, Krivoye Ozera, Ukraine; GOLDSTEIN/
GOLDSTERN/ROSENSUMMEN/HERSCHENFELD/WEINSTROM/BRANDT,
Terespol, Poland/Brest Litovsk, Belarus; BATTALEN/WOLOFF, Voronezh,
Russia; RONEN, Kiev, Ukraine; PASHKOFF, Fastov, Ukraine.

MODERATOR NOTE: Please send recommendations privately.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: Morton Allen Directory #general

Jackye Sullins
 

Starting in 1904, the Morton Allen does list arrivals for other ports:
Baltimore, Philadelphia & Boston.

Jackye Sullins
Wauwatosa/Chicago

Morton Allan has **only** NY arriving steamships but it will give you both
the European and the American ports. There was a web site but its often
not available (http://www.cimorelli.com ). You might ask your library for
an interlibrary loan.
Phyllis Kramer, New York City, Palm Beach Gardens, Fla


Re: Morton Allen Directory #general

Jackye Sullins
 

Starting in 1904, the Morton Allen does list arrivals for other ports:
Baltimore, Philadelphia & Boston.

Jackye Sullins
Wauwatosa/Chicago

Morton Allan has **only** NY arriving steamships but it will give you both
the European and the American ports. There was a web site but its often
not available (http://www.cimorelli.com ). You might ask your library for
an interlibrary loan.
Phyllis Kramer, New York City, Palm Beach Gardens, Fla


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Social Security application - Morris B. RAPPAPORT #general

Roberta Solit
 

I have a Social Security Application for Morris B. RAPPAPORT >from
Philadelphia, PA.
His father was Jacob S. Rappaport.
He is not related to my Morris Rappaport.
If you would like this application, let me know.
Roberta Solit
Potomac, MD


Social Security application - Morris B. RAPPAPORT #general

Roberta Solit
 

I have a Social Security Application for Morris B. RAPPAPORT >from
Philadelphia, PA.
His father was Jacob S. Rappaport.
He is not related to my Morris Rappaport.
If you would like this application, let me know.
Roberta Solit
Potomac, MD


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Need marriage records from Gwozdziec, Galicia #general

Ben Kempner
 

Hi,

Does anyone know how to find marriage records or a Ketubah >from a
religious ceremony, probably in the late 1860's in or near Gwozdziec,
Galicia (current-day Hvizdets, Ivano Frankivsk oblast, Ukraine)?
I am searching for the marriage records for my great-grandfather
Schmerl SPERBER (b. 1845 Gwozdziec; d. 1917 Vienna). I think his first
wife was Minnie or Minna STEIN. His second wife, my great-grandmother,
was Mancie FRIEDMANN. She died in Galicia in 1910.

Thank you.

Ben Kempner
Las Vegas, Nevada


Need marriage records from Gwozdziec, Galicia #general

Ben Kempner
 

Hi,

Does anyone know how to find marriage records or a Ketubah >from a
religious ceremony, probably in the late 1860's in or near Gwozdziec,
Galicia (current-day Hvizdets, Ivano Frankivsk oblast, Ukraine)?
I am searching for the marriage records for my great-grandfather
Schmerl SPERBER (b. 1845 Gwozdziec; d. 1917 Vienna). I think his first
wife was Minnie or Minna STEIN. His second wife, my great-grandmother,
was Mancie FRIEDMANN. She died in Galicia in 1910.

Thank you.

Ben Kempner
Las Vegas, Nevada


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen This week's Yizkor book excerpt on the JewishGen Facebook page #general

Bruce Drake <BDrake@...>
 

Many cultures have their stories of singular women, inspired by heavenly
visions, who made a mark on their communities or countries by thrusting
themselves into roles not traditionally accepted by society. "The Maiden
of Ludmir" is one of those and her story is told in the Yizkor book of
the small town of Volodymyr Volynskyy which, during the time she lived,
was in the Russian Empire, afterwards passed to Poland and now is in
northwest Ukraine. She was born Khane-Rokhl Werbermacher, a birth that -
according to the story - came about after her mother, seeking to avoid a
divorce after ten childless years of marriage, traveled to Chernoybl to
ask a "great righteous man and wonder worker, who was known to bless
barren women" to intercede for her with his prayers. Said to be born in
1806, "The child awed all who saw her. She had an angelic face, and as
she grew up, her spiritual graces increased." The YIVO Encyclopedia says.
"She apparently was intensely pious at an early age and her biographers
state that in her teens she had a heavenly vision during which she claimed
to have received a 'new and lofty soul.' >from that point on, the Maiden
acquired a reputation as a healer and miracle worker." The tension in her
story was captured by the vision she had after falling ill. She had
appeared before a "heavenly court, which would decide whether she would
live or die." The prosecutors said that she did not behave in the way that
wise men had ordered, that she performed commandments that women were not
commanded to perform, that she had taken upon herself the yoke of the study
of Torah and observance that were required of men, and since her love was
that of a woman and she had been created a woman, she was desecrating the
honor of the Torah." The court was persuaded to ask her to speak and she
said,"I shall not die but live, and tell the deeds of God." Her request was
granted and her soul soared higher.

URL: https://www.facebook.com/JewishGen.org/posts/1552628538092629

Bruce Drake
Silver Spring MD

Researching: DRACH, EBERT, KIMMEL, ZLOTNICK
Towns: Wojnilow, Kovel


This week's Yizkor book excerpt on the JewishGen Facebook page #general

Bruce Drake <BDrake@...>
 

Many cultures have their stories of singular women, inspired by heavenly
visions, who made a mark on their communities or countries by thrusting
themselves into roles not traditionally accepted by society. "The Maiden
of Ludmir" is one of those and her story is told in the Yizkor book of
the small town of Volodymyr Volynskyy which, during the time she lived,
was in the Russian Empire, afterwards passed to Poland and now is in
northwest Ukraine. She was born Khane-Rokhl Werbermacher, a birth that -
according to the story - came about after her mother, seeking to avoid a
divorce after ten childless years of marriage, traveled to Chernoybl to
ask a "great righteous man and wonder worker, who was known to bless
barren women" to intercede for her with his prayers. Said to be born in
1806, "The child awed all who saw her. She had an angelic face, and as
she grew up, her spiritual graces increased." The YIVO Encyclopedia says.
"She apparently was intensely pious at an early age and her biographers
state that in her teens she had a heavenly vision during which she claimed
to have received a 'new and lofty soul.' >from that point on, the Maiden
acquired a reputation as a healer and miracle worker." The tension in her
story was captured by the vision she had after falling ill. She had
appeared before a "heavenly court, which would decide whether she would
live or die." The prosecutors said that she did not behave in the way that
wise men had ordered, that she performed commandments that women were not
commanded to perform, that she had taken upon herself the yoke of the study
of Torah and observance that were required of men, and since her love was
that of a woman and she had been created a woman, she was desecrating the
honor of the Torah." The court was persuaded to ask her to speak and she
said,"I shall not die but live, and tell the deeds of God." Her request was
granted and her soul soared higher.

URL: https://www.facebook.com/JewishGen.org/posts/1552628538092629

Bruce Drake
Silver Spring MD

Researching: DRACH, EBERT, KIMMEL, ZLOTNICK
Towns: Wojnilow, Kovel


Sephardic SIG #Sephardim The family name Berazano #sephardic

Sheila Toffell
 

I'm working with a second cousin who lives in Israel determining the origin
of what morphed into Berazanoff in the UK. Our original thought for a very
concrete reason was Spain, but my cousin was told that Berezano is / was a
common last name for both Jewish and non-Jewish Kurdistani's. Our GGfather
apparently originated >from Tbilisi, Georgia but I don't know if that was him
or prior generations who made the move to the Ukraine, where he married our
GGM. In addition my first cousin's (we are daughters of sisters) son had his
mitochondrial DNA tested and it indicated early roots in the Caucasus.

Any insight on this would be appreciated.

Sheila T0ffell


The family name Berazano #sephardic

Sheila Toffell
 

I'm working with a second cousin who lives in Israel determining the origin
of what morphed into Berazanoff in the UK. Our original thought for a very
concrete reason was Spain, but my cousin was told that Berezano is / was a
common last name for both Jewish and non-Jewish Kurdistani's. Our GGfather
apparently originated >from Tbilisi, Georgia but I don't know if that was him
or prior generations who made the move to the Ukraine, where he married our
GGM. In addition my first cousin's (we are daughters of sisters) son had his
mitochondrial DNA tested and it indicated early roots in the Caucasus.

Any insight on this would be appreciated.

Sheila T0ffell


NYC Health Dept. Public Hearing #general

Chuck Weinstein <cmw521@...>
 

The NYC Health Department maintains the Vital Records for the city of New
York. Currently, birth records are supposed to be turned over to the city's
Municipal Archives 100 years after the birth and 50 years after the death of
people in NYC. Once that happens, the records become public records and are
accessible to anyone who wants to see them. The Health Dept. is now
proposing to extend the records hold for 125 years, in the case of birth
records, and 75 years, in the case of death records. During that time,
birth records are available only to parents and the child. Death records
would be available only to the parents, children, and grandchildren of the
deceased, the informant on the certificate, and pursuant to a court order
for probating an estate. The Health Department will hold a public hearing on
Tuesday, October 24 at 10:00 at the New York City Department of Health and
Mental Hygiene, Gotham Center, 42-09 28th Street, 3rd Floor, Room 3-32, Long
Island City, 11101 to hear comments >from the public on this proposal.
Members of the general public will be given an opportunity to speak on this
issue. If you can't make the meeting, you can share your comments with the
department via their web site at
https://rules.cityofnewyork.us/content/proposed-amendment-general-vital-statistics-provisions-article-207-nyc-health-code-regarding
[or http://tinyurl.com/ybnd5kjk --Mod.]
The period for commenting will close on October 24 at 5 PM Eastern Daylight
Time.

Chuck Weinstein
Bellport, NY


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen NYC Health Dept. Public Hearing #general

Chuck Weinstein <cmw521@...>
 

The NYC Health Department maintains the Vital Records for the city of New
York. Currently, birth records are supposed to be turned over to the city's
Municipal Archives 100 years after the birth and 50 years after the death of
people in NYC. Once that happens, the records become public records and are
accessible to anyone who wants to see them. The Health Dept. is now
proposing to extend the records hold for 125 years, in the case of birth
records, and 75 years, in the case of death records. During that time,
birth records are available only to parents and the child. Death records
would be available only to the parents, children, and grandchildren of the
deceased, the informant on the certificate, and pursuant to a court order
for probating an estate. The Health Department will hold a public hearing on
Tuesday, October 24 at 10:00 at the New York City Department of Health and
Mental Hygiene, Gotham Center, 42-09 28th Street, 3rd Floor, Room 3-32, Long
Island City, 11101 to hear comments >from the public on this proposal.
Members of the general public will be given an opportunity to speak on this
issue. If you can't make the meeting, you can share your comments with the
department via their web site at
https://rules.cityofnewyork.us/content/proposed-amendment-general-vital-statistics-provisions-article-207-nyc-health-code-regarding
[or http://tinyurl.com/ybnd5kjk --Mod.]
The period for commenting will close on October 24 at 5 PM Eastern Daylight
Time.

Chuck Weinstein
Bellport, NY


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen JGS of Long Island October Meeting #general

Jackie Wasserstein
 

The Jewish Genealogy Society of Long Island's regular October meeting will
be on Sunday, October 22.

Time: 2 PM
Place: Mid-Island Y JCC 45 Manetto Hill Road Plainview, NY
http://www.miyjcc.org

Topic: "Memory and Mystery: Breaking Down Family Lore"

Guest Speaker : Emily Garber

Does your family have stories that have defied genealogical documentation?
Emily Garber will explain what steps should be taken to understand them
and determine the truth. Her presentation explores exhaustively
researching our stories and melding paper documentation with DNA evidence.

Emily Garber is an archaeologist. She has been researching her Jewish
ancestry since 2007 and holds a certificate >from Boston University's
Genealogical Research program. Emily is a blogger, chair of the Phoenix
Jewish Genealogy Group and owner of Extra Yad Genealogical Services.

Admission is free and all are welcome.

Our "Mavens" are available at 1:30 PM to take your genealogy questions.

Jackie Wasserstein
Past President


JGS of Long Island October Meeting #general

Jackie Wasserstein
 

The Jewish Genealogy Society of Long Island's regular October meeting will
be on Sunday, October 22.

Time: 2 PM
Place: Mid-Island Y JCC 45 Manetto Hill Road Plainview, NY
http://www.miyjcc.org

Topic: "Memory and Mystery: Breaking Down Family Lore"

Guest Speaker : Emily Garber

Does your family have stories that have defied genealogical documentation?
Emily Garber will explain what steps should be taken to understand them
and determine the truth. Her presentation explores exhaustively
researching our stories and melding paper documentation with DNA evidence.

Emily Garber is an archaeologist. She has been researching her Jewish
ancestry since 2007 and holds a certificate >from Boston University's
Genealogical Research program. Emily is a blogger, chair of the Phoenix
Jewish Genealogy Group and owner of Extra Yad Genealogical Services.

Admission is free and all are welcome.

Our "Mavens" are available at 1:30 PM to take your genealogy questions.

Jackie Wasserstein
Past President


Research Your Roots on JewishGen -- begins November 1 #france

bounce-3398068-772957@...
 

This course is designed for those researchers relatively new to
JewishGen who wish to use all our databases and communication
facilities to explore a family branch.
It's a mentored course, thus students have an instructor who will
personally respond to questions, make suggestions and assist in
researching the branch you choose...24/7.

The course is designed to match JewishGen resources to your family
knowledge; we will begin with your goals and objectives and a
descendant tree of the branch you select, then gather the information
about your town via JewishGen's rich databases and web pages; then we
will investigate JewishGen's other resources: JGFF, FTJP, Country
databases, Holocaust databases, Discussion Lists and Special Interest
Groups. Please note: this course is limited to JewishGen databases and
facilities; after using these, the instructor will give suggestions in
the last week for alternative resources.

We'll help you build an effective research plan, manage your data with
our fabulous format, and give you tips and techniques to overcome
research obstacles. Your course material includes 7 text based lessons
(about 15 pages each), delivered online (which you can download) with
hundreds of links and suggestions.

*Please* review the detailed description, requirements and tuition at
https://www.jewishgen.org/education/description.asp?course=40052
and then contact the instructor for questions or enroll in the course.

Phyllis Kramer, New York City, Palm Beach Gardens, Fla
V.P.Education, JewishGen Inc: https://www.JewishGen.org/education
family web site: https://KehilaLinks.JewishGen.org/Krosno/Kramer.htm


French SIG #France Research Your Roots on JewishGen -- begins November 1 #france

bounce-3398068-772957@...
 

This course is designed for those researchers relatively new to
JewishGen who wish to use all our databases and communication
facilities to explore a family branch.
It's a mentored course, thus students have an instructor who will
personally respond to questions, make suggestions and assist in
researching the branch you choose...24/7.

The course is designed to match JewishGen resources to your family
knowledge; we will begin with your goals and objectives and a
descendant tree of the branch you select, then gather the information
about your town via JewishGen's rich databases and web pages; then we
will investigate JewishGen's other resources: JGFF, FTJP, Country
databases, Holocaust databases, Discussion Lists and Special Interest
Groups. Please note: this course is limited to JewishGen databases and
facilities; after using these, the instructor will give suggestions in
the last week for alternative resources.

We'll help you build an effective research plan, manage your data with
our fabulous format, and give you tips and techniques to overcome
research obstacles. Your course material includes 7 text based lessons
(about 15 pages each), delivered online (which you can download) with
hundreds of links and suggestions.

*Please* review the detailed description, requirements and tuition at
https://www.jewishgen.org/education/description.asp?course=40052
and then contact the instructor for questions or enroll in the course.

Phyllis Kramer, New York City, Palm Beach Gardens, Fla
V.P.Education, JewishGen Inc: https://www.JewishGen.org/education
family web site: https://KehilaLinks.JewishGen.org/Krosno/Kramer.htm