Answers to your questions.
1. 33 Seymour Place, London, W1H 5AP
FAX 0171 723 5852

2. Why 'so-called' Transactions? They have been published for over 100
years. The Society has also published a separate series called
Miscellanies. They used to be printed separately but in more recent years
were bound with copies of the Transactions.

3. Each volume has its own Index and I know of two consolidated ones: one
dealing with publications during the years 1893 to 1945 and a later one (I
haven't the later one to hand). The Index covers both the Transactions and
the Miscellanies.

Family of del VALLE. My Index for 1893-1945 does include entries for
Abigail del VALLE in Miscellanies vol II page 77, and for Isaac del VALLE
in Miscellanies vol III page 91, and Transactions vol VII pages 275, 276. I
do not know if these are substantial references or merely passing mentions.
There may be other references to the family in the later Index which is
temporarily mislaid in what is laughably called my office at home.

Harold Pollins
Oxford England
pollins@...
----------
Rene van Wijngaarden wrote about Transactions of JHSE, UK

Answers to your questions.
1. 33 Seymour Place, London, W1H 5AP
FAX 0171 723 5852

2. Why 'so-called' Transactions? They have been published for over 100
years. The Society has also published a separate series called
Miscellanies. They used to be printed separately but in more recent years
were bound with copies of the Transactions.

3. Each volume has its own Index and I know of two consolidated ones: one
dealing with publications during the years 1893 to 1945 and a later one (I
haven't the later one to hand). The Index covers both the Transactions and
the Miscellanies.

Family of del VALLE. My Index for 1893-1945 does include entries for
Abigail del VALLE in Miscellanies vol II page 77, and for Isaac del VALLE
in Miscellanies vol III page 91, and Transactions vol VII pages 275, 276. I
do not know if these are substantial references or merely passing mentions.
There may be other references to the family in the later Index which is
temporarily mislaid in what is laughably called my office at home.

Harold Pollins
Oxford England
pollins@...
----------
Rene van Wijngaarden wrote about Transactions of JHSE, UK

I'll try my best. I assume the frequently incorrect yods that are probably
other letters is because only one corner is left legible, and that many other
letters have been incorrectly deciphered because of the condition of the
stone..

The following information is taken >from Pages of Testimony >from the Hall of
Names at Yad Vashem and >from International Red Cross microfilm at the
archives. I hope it will help someone who is searching family members who were
in the Holocaust. If anyone has information about anyone listed below, please
contact me at Seflaum@.... I am searching for relatives of the ROTBEIN
family of Lodz, Poland

Hall of Names: (It was all in Hebrew so forgive the mistakes in translation,
but I have the actual copies)

ROTBAIN, Pesia b.1922 Siedlce, d. Aug 24, 1942 Parents: M L (?) & Hana (?)
ROTBAIN, Fajga b. 1922 Warszawa (?), d. Aug 23, 1942 Parents: Labl (Leibl?) &
Shula
ROTBEIN, Lejbusz (Leibl) b. 1894 Warszawa or Dragocin, d. Sept 1942 Parents:
Shulem & Golda
ROTBAJN, Roch b. 1904 Piotrkow-Tryb., d. 1943 Parents: ? & Golda
ROTBEIN, Golda b. 1873 Siedlce, d. Aug 23, 1942 Parents: Labl & Pesia
ROTBAIN, Yosf b. 1918 Warszawa, d. 1939 Parents: Labl & Shula
ROTBAIN, Chana b. 1891 Siedlce, d. Aug. 24, 1942 Parents: Elo (?) & ?
ROTBAIN, Bela b. 1894 Warszawa, d. June, 1942 Parents: Mlo (?) & Frieda
ROTBAIN, Hawa b. 1904 Piotrkow-Tryb. d. ? Parents: Mnchk(?) & Bluma Devora
children under 18 who died: Bela, Yitzchak (or Yaakov?) & Lrh(?)
ROTBAJN, Bluma (nee DEMBOWICZ) b. 1908 Piotrkow-Tryb. d. 1943 Parents:
Yitzchak (or Yaakov?) & Rivka
children under 18 who died: Marek (b. Sept 7, 1933) & Mzdl (?) (b. Sept 8,
1933)
ROTBEIN, Juda or Yehuda, b. 1897 Syrakomla, Poland d. Warszawa ? Parents:
Yitzchak & Mela; had 3 children
ROTBEIN, Josef b. 1895 Syrakomla d. Warszawa ? Parents: Yitzchak & Mela; had
2 children
ROTBEIN, Mose & Chana b. 1910 Sierce / Carfot d. ?
ROTBEIN, Chana Golda b. 1890 Warszawa ? d. ? Parents: Yitzchak & Nelda

Taken >from Red Cross Microfilm:(I have complete copies)

ROTBEIN, Symcha or Simon b. May 17, 1908 (or 1910, 1911, 1913) Lodz, Poland;
Parents: Mosche Meyer and Sara LIPNICKA; location 1945-1948: Feldafing &
Munchen, Germany; immigrated to Houston, Texas U.S.A. 1948
ROTBEIN, Sucher Ber b. Nov 25, 1907 Piotrkow Radom; Last known: Jan 26, 1945
Buchenwald
ROTBEIN, Mandle or Mendel b. ?; Last known: 1946, Siedlce, Poland
ROTBEJN, Mojzesz b. 1890 Siedlce (?) Parents: Szulim & Golda; last known:
January, 1947 Siedlce-Browarna, Puleskiego 31
ROTBEIN SKAPOVER (or SKAPOVER ROTBEIN), Selma b. 1900 Bensburg, Upper
Silesia
ROTBEIN, Aron b. April 14, 1922 Piotrkow-Tryb. Parents: Mosche & Rachel
URBACH; last known: Aug, 1945 Feldafing
ROTBEIN, Jakob b. Oct 10, 1912 Piotrkow d. Feb 7, 1945 Dachau
ROTBEIN, Izak b. 1921 Warszawa ? Parents: Josef & Estera; last known: Jan 1947
Lognica, D/Sl.
ROTBEJN, Estera b. 1916 Siedlce ? Parents: Mojzesz & Chawa; Last known: Jan
1947 Lubelskie (1946 Siedlce-Browarna)
ROTHBEIN, Julius (also misspelled Julla) b. Oct 1, 1920 Dusseldorf, Germany;
escaped >from Denmark to Sweden; last known: 1945 Camp Hechaluz, Sweden
ROTHBEIN, Selma Rachel b. Aug 21, 1924 Frankfurt a. Main, Germany; escaped
>from Denmark to Sweden; last known: 1945 Camp Hechaluz, Sweden
ROTHBEIN, Ella b. Jan 1, 1894 Ffm. Parents: BLUM / SENZON; last known: Jan 1,
1947 Nurnberg, Ziegelgasse 56

Shirley Rotbein Flaum
Houston, Texas
Seflaum@...

I'll try my best. I assume the frequently incorrect yods that are probably
other letters is because only one corner is left legible, and that many other
letters have been incorrectly deciphered because of the condition of the
stone..

The following information is taken >from Pages of Testimony >from the Hall of
Names at Yad Vashem and >from International Red Cross microfilm at the
archives. I hope it will help someone who is searching family members who were
in the Holocaust. If anyone has information about anyone listed below, please
contact me at Seflaum@.... I am searching for relatives of the ROTBEIN
family of Lodz, Poland

Hall of Names: (It was all in Hebrew so forgive the mistakes in translation,
but I have the actual copies)

ROTBAIN, Pesia b.1922 Siedlce, d. Aug 24, 1942 Parents: M L (?) & Hana (?)
ROTBAIN, Fajga b. 1922 Warszawa (?), d. Aug 23, 1942 Parents: Labl (Leibl?) &
Shula
ROTBEIN, Lejbusz (Leibl) b. 1894 Warszawa or Dragocin, d. Sept 1942 Parents:
Shulem & Golda
ROTBAJN, Roch b. 1904 Piotrkow-Tryb., d. 1943 Parents: ? & Golda
ROTBEIN, Golda b. 1873 Siedlce, d. Aug 23, 1942 Parents: Labl & Pesia
ROTBAIN, Yosf b. 1918 Warszawa, d. 1939 Parents: Labl & Shula
ROTBAIN, Chana b. 1891 Siedlce, d. Aug. 24, 1942 Parents: Elo (?) & ?
ROTBAIN, Bela b. 1894 Warszawa, d. June, 1942 Parents: Mlo (?) & Frieda
ROTBAIN, Hawa b. 1904 Piotrkow-Tryb. d. ? Parents: Mnchk(?) & Bluma Devora
children under 18 who died: Bela, Yitzchak (or Yaakov?) & Lrh(?)
ROTBAJN, Bluma (nee DEMBOWICZ) b. 1908 Piotrkow-Tryb. d. 1943 Parents:
Yitzchak (or Yaakov?) & Rivka
children under 18 who died: Marek (b. Sept 7, 1933) & Mzdl (?) (b. Sept 8,
1933)
ROTBEIN, Juda or Yehuda, b. 1897 Syrakomla, Poland d. Warszawa ? Parents:
Yitzchak & Mela; had 3 children
ROTBEIN, Josef b. 1895 Syrakomla d. Warszawa ? Parents: Yitzchak & Mela; had
2 children
ROTBEIN, Mose & Chana b. 1910 Sierce / Carfot d. ?
ROTBEIN, Chana Golda b. 1890 Warszawa ? d. ? Parents: Yitzchak & Nelda

Taken >from Red Cross Microfilm:(I have complete copies)

ROTBEIN, Symcha or Simon b. May 17, 1908 (or 1910, 1911, 1913) Lodz, Poland;
Parents: Mosche Meyer and Sara LIPNICKA; location 1945-1948: Feldafing &
Munchen, Germany; immigrated to Houston, Texas U.S.A. 1948
ROTBEIN, Sucher Ber b. Nov 25, 1907 Piotrkow Radom; Last known: Jan 26, 1945
Buchenwald
ROTBEIN, Mandle or Mendel b. ?; Last known: 1946, Siedlce, Poland
ROTBEJN, Mojzesz b. 1890 Siedlce (?) Parents: Szulim & Golda; last known:
January, 1947 Siedlce-Browarna, Puleskiego 31
ROTBEIN SKAPOVER (or SKAPOVER ROTBEIN), Selma b. 1900 Bensburg, Upper
Silesia
ROTBEIN, Aron b. April 14, 1922 Piotrkow-Tryb. Parents: Mosche & Rachel
URBACH; last known: Aug, 1945 Feldafing
ROTBEIN, Jakob b. Oct 10, 1912 Piotrkow d. Feb 7, 1945 Dachau
ROTBEIN, Izak b. 1921 Warszawa ? Parents: Josef & Estera; last known: Jan 1947
Lognica, D/Sl.
ROTBEJN, Estera b. 1916 Siedlce ? Parents: Mojzesz & Chawa; Last known: Jan
1947 Lubelskie (1946 Siedlce-Browarna)
ROTHBEIN, Julius (also misspelled Julla) b. Oct 1, 1920 Dusseldorf, Germany;
escaped >from Denmark to Sweden; last known: 1945 Camp Hechaluz, Sweden
ROTHBEIN, Selma Rachel b. Aug 21, 1924 Frankfurt a. Main, Germany; escaped
>from Denmark to Sweden; last known: 1945 Camp Hechaluz, Sweden
ROTHBEIN, Ella b. Jan 1, 1894 Ffm. Parents: BLUM / SENZON; last known: Jan 1,
1947 Nurnberg, Ziegelgasse 56

Shirley Rotbein Flaum
Houston, Texas
Seflaum@...

Dear Genners:

G_D blesses the person "in power" who has a sense of humor!
With humor all becomes possible.

Regards,
Elliott (ET) Terman
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To reply to this message, remove NOSPAM >from my email address.

Dear Genners:

G_D blesses the person "in power" who has a sense of humor!
With humor all becomes possible.

Regards,
Elliott (ET) Terman
--
To reply to this message, remove NOSPAM >from my email address.

In a message dated 98-08-25 23:51:20 EDT, patindy@... writes:

<< Does anyone knows any jewish people with the name "FACK" ? >>

==FALK is a popular name. Then there is FACKENHEIM or FAKTOR and other names
which can be contracted. I suggest a search through Jewish Family finder,
both "start with" and "soundex" to bring up possible names.

Michael Bernet
*****************************
seeking:

BERNET: >from Frensdorf, Bamberg, Nurnberg, Hirschaid, (Bavaria)
KONIGSHOFER: >from Welbhausen, Konigshofen, Furth (S. Germany)
ALTMANN: >from Kattowitz, Breslau, Poznan (Posen), Beuthen
(Bytom)--Upper Silesia/Poland
WOLF(F): >from Furth, Nurnberg, Wurzburg, Frankfurt (S Germany),
Rotterdam

In a message dated 98-08-25 23:51:20 EDT, patindy@... writes:

<< Does anyone knows any jewish people with the name "FACK" ? >>

==FALK is a popular name. Then there is FACKENHEIM or FAKTOR and other names
which can be contracted. I suggest a search through Jewish Family finder,
both "start with" and "soundex" to bring up possible names.

Michael Bernet
*****************************
seeking:

BERNET: >from Frensdorf, Bamberg, Nurnberg, Hirschaid, (Bavaria)
KONIGSHOFER: >from Welbhausen, Konigshofen, Furth (S. Germany)
ALTMANN: >from Kattowitz, Breslau, Poznan (Posen), Beuthen
(Bytom)--Upper Silesia/Poland
WOLF(F): >from Furth, Nurnberg, Wurzburg, Frankfurt (S Germany),
Rotterdam

Nettie HANISON married David SCHUMAN in Bellingham, WA
on Aug. 8, 1903. She was born in Russia, but lived in Philadelphia
before her marriage at age 20. Her parents are listed on the
marriage return as: Am HANISON and Atta (?) YOFFE. (Written as
"YEFFE on the return.)
Anyone familiar enough with old Philadelphia families to know
anything more about these people, or where they were >from in
Russia?

Tim Baker
Bellingham WA, USA
tbaker@...

Yes Jews like all men were "drafted" into the Russian Army during the Tsar's
time. My great grandfather ran >from central Ukraine for that very reason in
1904. He waited six months after his youngest child wass born and ran like
the wind after that to get out before he disappeared into the Army.
Interestingly I know he came alone to the United States and just recently I
found his passenger list. I was very happy to see that he was not really
alone. He was -- of course -- one of many in steerage but as I read down the
list I see he came to a broker on the Lower East Side of New York. But the
reall interesting part is how many men >from the same area/city were aboard the
ship. I know he was not entirely alone in the world and I wonder if they ran
in groups.

Allan Jordan
aejordan@...

Hi to all !
I recently found a shtetl that part of my family is from. When I went into
Shtetlseeker
I got responses. How can I figure out which is correct. Counting duplicates
there are
4 different locations listed. They range >from 95-281 mi >from Kiev. How can I
figure out how to edit my Family Finder file to be correct without knowing
which is correct?

Thank all of the wise ones for all the help.

Joy Torchin (joytorch@...)
Anaheim Hills CA

Nettie HANISON married David SCHUMAN in Bellingham, WA
on Aug. 8, 1903. She was born in Russia, but lived in Philadelphia
before her marriage at age 20. Her parents are listed on the
marriage return as: Am HANISON and Atta (?) YOFFE. (Written as
"YEFFE on the return.)
Anyone familiar enough with old Philadelphia families to know
anything more about these people, or where they were >from in
Russia?

Tim Baker
Bellingham WA, USA
tbaker@...

Yes Jews like all men were "drafted" into the Russian Army during the Tsar's
time. My great grandfather ran >from central Ukraine for that very reason in
1904. He waited six months after his youngest child wass born and ran like
the wind after that to get out before he disappeared into the Army.
Interestingly I know he came alone to the United States and just recently I
found his passenger list. I was very happy to see that he was not really
alone. He was -- of course -- one of many in steerage but as I read down the
list I see he came to a broker on the Lower East Side of New York. But the
reall interesting part is how many men >from the same area/city were aboard the
ship. I know he was not entirely alone in the world and I wonder if they ran
in groups.

Allan Jordan
aejordan@...

Hi to all !
I recently found a shtetl that part of my family is from. When I went into
Shtetlseeker
I got responses. How can I figure out which is correct. Counting duplicates
there are
4 different locations listed. They range >from 95-281 mi >from Kiev. How can I
figure out how to edit my Family Finder file to be correct without knowing
which is correct?

Thank all of the wise ones for all the help.

Joy Torchin (joytorch@...)
Anaheim Hills CA

Anita Frankel wrote:

Hi all:
On Aug 23 Ricki Zunk sought info. about a "mental institution in Central
Islip, NY, within the time frame 1920-1938. He asked for a private response
but I think that other members of the group might benefit >from such
information. I too am interested in the "Central Islip Psychiatric Center".
Does anyone know if 60 to 70 year old records might be available for
genealogical purposes?

TIA
Anita Frankel

Dear Anita, and All Interested JGers:

#1 - Ricki is a "she" not a "he."

#2 - IF and WHEN I received a response >from Central Islip Psych. Center, I
shall most certainly post a reply to the entire group. I have received more
than 50 posts >from people interested in learning more about the records of this
facility. Apparently, they cared for people with all sorts of problems (both
physical and mental).

#3 - Thank you to everyone who was kind enough to share what they know with
me. In this particular instance, I believe that we will all need to depend on
one another in order to get the most information >from this resource as possible.

#4 - I always share.

(Mrs.) Ricki Lynn Randall Zunk
Kendall (just south of Coral Gables), FL
<rickiz@...>

Since thee were so many replies to the request for information on Central
Islip State Hospital on Long Island, I thought this would be of general
interest even though I have already responded privately.

from Ricki:

Boy, did I ever open a flood gate when I asked about this place. I've
received
over 50 posts >from people who also are interested in what kind of information
I
can get >from CI. It must have been a repository for all sorts of "problem


Your tale is a rather common one. My ggm was there for 25 years and died
there in 1946. I live locally so I'm very aware of what the hospital was all
about. It no longer exists today as a separate entity.

There were 3 extremely large psychiatric hospitals on Long Island: Kings Park
State, Pilgrim State and Central Islip State. CI was the oldest and largest.
They have been greatly downsized and today exist as one. There is a medical
records building that houses the records of all the patients. It is likely
the person you are seeking has microfilmed records. If he died there, they
should be able to provide a copy of his death cert. If you run into a problem
with that, let me know and I can give you further leads.

If you write or call the information below, they should be able to locate the
records and tell you what they have. They can be quite cooperative or quite
evasive. Ask for a photocopy of his admission card and any genealogical
information found in the record. However, if you have specific information
you want, such as descendents, be specific in your letter. They will probably
ask for proof of relationship as they are extremely concerned about the
legality of the privacy issue. There is extreme sensitivity on their part.
The charge was (is?) $ 10 for a copy of the death cert.

Write to:
Milo Maldonado, RN
Chairperson, Medical Records Access Review Committee
Kings Park Psychiatric Center
998 Crooked Hill Road
West Brentwood, NY 11717-1087
(516) 434 5046 FAX (516) 434-5107

If you learn that he was there in 1915 or 1925, there is a NYS census that
would have him listed. Often, in the 1925 census there is an address given
prior to admission. Central Islip State Hospital can also be found in the
federal census for 1900, 1910 and 1920. It is located in Suffolk County, NY.

I plan on building a database of all Jewish people who were in CI for all the
census years. This is a very large project and I haven't really started the
entering in my database. Hopefully, I will have a good chunk of it ready for
the Summer Seminar in NY. PLEASE do not ask me to do a look up as at this
point I would have to do the same search as you. As my database builds, I
will post a notice on JewishGen and do look ups at that point. The interest
in this posting is encouraging to get me moving on it!

Rhoda Miller
Long Island, NY


MODERATOR'S NOTE: This seems like an appropriate time to end the thread
on psychiatric hospitals on Long Island.

Anita Frankel wrote:

Hi all:
On Aug 23 Ricki Zunk sought info. about a "mental institution in Central
Islip, NY, within the time frame 1920-1938. He asked for a private response
but I think that other members of the group might benefit >from such
information. I too am interested in the "Central Islip Psychiatric Center".
Does anyone know if 60 to 70 year old records might be available for
genealogical purposes?

TIA
Anita Frankel

Dear Anita, and All Interested JGers:

#1 - Ricki is a "she" not a "he."

#2 - IF and WHEN I received a response >from Central Islip Psych. Center, I
shall most certainly post a reply to the entire group. I have received more
than 50 posts >from people interested in learning more about the records of this
facility. Apparently, they cared for people with all sorts of problems (both
physical and mental).

#3 - Thank you to everyone who was kind enough to share what they know with
me. In this particular instance, I believe that we will all need to depend on
one another in order to get the most information >from this resource as possible.

#4 - I always share.

(Mrs.) Ricki Lynn Randall Zunk
Kendall (just south of Coral Gables), FL
<rickiz@...>

Since thee were so many replies to the request for information on Central
Islip State Hospital on Long Island, I thought this would be of general
interest even though I have already responded privately.

from Ricki:

Boy, did I ever open a flood gate when I asked about this place. I've
received
over 50 posts >from people who also are interested in what kind of information
I
can get >from CI. It must have been a repository for all sorts of "problem


Your tale is a rather common one. My ggm was there for 25 years and died
there in 1946. I live locally so I'm very aware of what the hospital was all
about. It no longer exists today as a separate entity.

There were 3 extremely large psychiatric hospitals on Long Island: Kings Park
State, Pilgrim State and Central Islip State. CI was the oldest and largest.
They have been greatly downsized and today exist as one. There is a medical
records building that houses the records of all the patients. It is likely
the person you are seeking has microfilmed records. If he died there, they
should be able to provide a copy of his death cert. If you run into a problem
with that, let me know and I can give you further leads.

If you write or call the information below, they should be able to locate the
records and tell you what they have. They can be quite cooperative or quite
evasive. Ask for a photocopy of his admission card and any genealogical
information found in the record. However, if you have specific information
you want, such as descendents, be specific in your letter. They will probably
ask for proof of relationship as they are extremely concerned about the
legality of the privacy issue. There is extreme sensitivity on their part.
The charge was (is?) $ 10 for a copy of the death cert.

Write to:
Milo Maldonado, RN
Chairperson, Medical Records Access Review Committee
Kings Park Psychiatric Center
998 Crooked Hill Road
West Brentwood, NY 11717-1087
(516) 434 5046 FAX (516) 434-5107

If you learn that he was there in 1915 or 1925, there is a NYS census that
would have him listed. Often, in the 1925 census there is an address given
prior to admission. Central Islip State Hospital can also be found in the
federal census for 1900, 1910 and 1920. It is located in Suffolk County, NY.

I plan on building a database of all Jewish people who were in CI for all the
census years. This is a very large project and I haven't really started the
entering in my database. Hopefully, I will have a good chunk of it ready for
the Summer Seminar in NY. PLEASE do not ask me to do a look up as at this
point I would have to do the same search as you. As my database builds, I
will post a notice on JewishGen and do look ups at that point. The interest
in this posting is encouraging to get me moving on it!

Rhoda Miller
Long Island, NY


MODERATOR'S NOTE: This seems like an appropriate time to end the thread
on psychiatric hospitals on Long Island.