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INTRO - Researching Reif family in Saxony (Sachsen) or Esslingen #germany

Roberto D'Angelo <roberto_d@...>
 

Hello GerSig,

I have been a member of the group for a little while am now at a point
where I would like to ask the group's help. I have been doing
genealogy research for 1 year. I consider myself to be a total beginner
in doing German Jewish Genealogy research.
I live in Sydney, Australia. My native language is English and I also
speak German and some Italian. I consider myself pretty skilled in using
a computer. My experience in using the Internet is extensive.

I am trying to investigate the identity of my mother's
biological father. I believe his identity was concealed, however I have
his name: Eugen REIF.

My primary research goals now are to find out about this man and to
determine whether he was Jewish.

My JGFF Researcher ID number is 743926.
The family name and ancestral towns that I have entered in the JGFF
(JewishGen Family Finder) is: REIF >from Grossenhain or surrounding
region of Saxony. I am not sure at what point he move away >from there.
I believe he died in Esslingen in 1988.

Roberto D'Angelo, Sydney, Australia roberto_d@...

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German SIG #Germany INTRO - Researching Reif family in Saxony (Sachsen) or Esslingen #germany

Roberto D'Angelo <roberto_d@...>
 

Hello GerSig,

I have been a member of the group for a little while am now at a point
where I would like to ask the group's help. I have been doing
genealogy research for 1 year. I consider myself to be a total beginner
in doing German Jewish Genealogy research.
I live in Sydney, Australia. My native language is English and I also
speak German and some Italian. I consider myself pretty skilled in using
a computer. My experience in using the Internet is extensive.

I am trying to investigate the identity of my mother's
biological father. I believe his identity was concealed, however I have
his name: Eugen REIF.

My primary research goals now are to find out about this man and to
determine whether he was Jewish.

My JGFF Researcher ID number is 743926.
The family name and ancestral towns that I have entered in the JGFF
(JewishGen Family Finder) is: REIF >from Grossenhain or surrounding
region of Saxony. I am not sure at what point he move away >from there.
I believe he died in Esslingen in 1988.

Roberto D'Angelo, Sydney, Australia roberto_d@...

Moderator reminder: Last names of people you are researching
and their spouses and close relatives should be typed in
all capital letters (REIF) every time they appear in any part
of your Email to JewishGen lists. No other text should be in
all capitals.


Re: Austrian soldier fighting for Germany - Corrections #germany

Jeffrey Knisbacher
 

Apparently the summary that I thanked people for yesterday was wrong on
both counts. Several people noted

that there were no separate Jewish units in the German army in WWI and
that Jews served in all branches

of the German military. However, I will quote directly here >from Tobias
Kemper, since he has specific information about Hitler that needs to be
shared: ......"Austria had a mandatory military service. Hitler refused
serving in the Austrian army because he disliked the multi-cultural
state of Austria and Hungary. He fled to Bavaria *** [to avoid] ***
being drafted into the Austrian army. In 1914, Hitler volunteered
in the Bavarian army."

Jeff Knisbacher j2456@...


German SIG #Germany Fwd: Re: Austrian soldier fighting for Germany - Corrections #germany

Jeffrey Knisbacher
 

Apparently the summary that I thanked people for yesterday was wrong on
both counts. Several people noted

that there were no separate Jewish units in the German army in WWI and
that Jews served in all branches

of the German military. However, I will quote directly here >from Tobias
Kemper, since he has specific information about Hitler that needs to be
shared: ......"Austria had a mandatory military service. Hitler refused
serving in the Austrian army because he disliked the multi-cultural
state of Austria and Hungary. He fled to Bavaria *** [to avoid] ***
being drafted into the Austrian army. In 1914, Hitler volunteered
in the Bavarian army."

Jeff Knisbacher j2456@...


Jews living outside Germany 1930-36 #germany

jberlowitz <jberlowitz331@...>
 

Dear SIGgers,
Does anyone know, with documentary evidence if possible, if or how
German Jews living outside Germany in 1935-36 were notified that they
were no longer German citizens? A secondary question: What type of
diplomatic contact were German Jews living and working outside Germany
between 1930-35 required to make with the German government ?

I will appreciate all responses.

Judith Berlowitz, Oakland, California jberlowitz331@...


German SIG #Germany Jews living outside Germany 1930-36 #germany

jberlowitz <jberlowitz331@...>
 

Dear SIGgers,
Does anyone know, with documentary evidence if possible, if or how
German Jews living outside Germany in 1935-36 were notified that they
were no longer German citizens? A secondary question: What type of
diplomatic contact were German Jews living and working outside Germany
between 1930-35 required to make with the German government ?

I will appreciate all responses.

Judith Berlowitz, Oakland, California jberlowitz331@...


Re: Austrian soldier fighting for Germany - Summary of replies #germany

Ben Forman
 

Hi All

For those interested in the history of Jewish Soldiers who served in
the German Army during WW1 I highly recommend the book "Loyal Sons:
Jews in the German Army in the Great War" by Peter C. Appelbaum, it is
both extensively researched and easily readable.

Ben Forman, London, England ben.r.forman@...

On Thu, Jul 13, 201, Roger Lustig <gersig@...> wrote:
The latter claim is false. I know of no "Jewish" units in the German WW I
forces. Jews served in every regiment, >from infantry to the flying corps.
Both my grandfathers served in the German army; neither ever mentioned such
a thing, and neither would have served under such circumstances. Likewise, I
know of no Austrian units of this sort.

Jews did suffer somewhat higher casualties than the German army as a whole.
But this is attributable to their higher rate of volunteering.


German SIG #Germany Re: Austrian soldier fighting for Germany - Summary of replies #germany

Ben Forman
 

Hi All

For those interested in the history of Jewish Soldiers who served in
the German Army during WW1 I highly recommend the book "Loyal Sons:
Jews in the German Army in the Great War" by Peter C. Appelbaum, it is
both extensively researched and easily readable.

Ben Forman, London, England ben.r.forman@...

On Thu, Jul 13, 201, Roger Lustig <gersig@...> wrote:
The latter claim is false. I know of no "Jewish" units in the German WW I
forces. Jews served in every regiment, >from infantry to the flying corps.
Both my grandfathers served in the German army; neither ever mentioned such
a thing, and neither would have served under such circumstances. Likewise, I
know of no Austrian units of this sort.

Jews did suffer somewhat higher casualties than the German army as a whole.
But this is attributable to their higher rate of volunteering.


New York Jewish Genealogy Course begins August 4 #hungary

Phyllis Kramer
 

Did your family live in New York? There are many interesting research
possibilities in the Big Apple! JewishGen's Intermediate Course,
Breaking Brick Walls in the United States, will focus on New York
Resources. This course will be especially useful to those who visit
NY; we'll have suggestions on where to research, where to wander and
how to get there.

If, despite basic online research (census >from familysearch &
ancestry, vital records >from italiangen) you have not yet found the
Hebrew names, birth year or town for your U.S. immigrant ancestors
consider this course as it focuses on the more esoteric documents our
ancestors generated, including naturalization, military and
governmental records, death records (probate, obituaries, cemeteries),
and local archival research.

We are proud to feature a personal mentoring program; students use our
online FORUM, post an ancestral branch, set goals for research, and
work one on one with the instructor. Eight text lessons can be
downloaded to read at your own pace and an optional field trip to a
New York archive will be scheduled. This course is open for
enrollment. PLEASE read the course descriptions and requirements
(8-10 hours per week) on
www.jewishgen.org/education/description.asp?course=40088
and email any questions.

I look forward to interfacing with every student.
Phyllis Kramer, New York City
VP Education
www.jewishgen.org/education


Hungary SIG #Hungary New York Jewish Genealogy Course begins August 4 #hungary

Phyllis Kramer
 

Did your family live in New York? There are many interesting research
possibilities in the Big Apple! JewishGen's Intermediate Course,
Breaking Brick Walls in the United States, will focus on New York
Resources. This course will be especially useful to those who visit
NY; we'll have suggestions on where to research, where to wander and
how to get there.

If, despite basic online research (census >from familysearch &
ancestry, vital records >from italiangen) you have not yet found the
Hebrew names, birth year or town for your U.S. immigrant ancestors
consider this course as it focuses on the more esoteric documents our
ancestors generated, including naturalization, military and
governmental records, death records (probate, obituaries, cemeteries),
and local archival research.

We are proud to feature a personal mentoring program; students use our
online FORUM, post an ancestral branch, set goals for research, and
work one on one with the instructor. Eight text lessons can be
downloaded to read at your own pace and an optional field trip to a
New York archive will be scheduled. This course is open for
enrollment. PLEASE read the course descriptions and requirements
(8-10 hours per week) on
www.jewishgen.org/education/description.asp?course=40088
and email any questions.

I look forward to interfacing with every student.
Phyllis Kramer, New York City
VP Education
www.jewishgen.org/education


Re: Hungarian citizenship question #hungary

tom
 

from what you have posted, your father definitely left before 1929, and definitely
lived abroad for more than 10 years. it's possible that the issue is dual citizenship,
or the lack of it. american naturalization forms included a renunciation of any other allegiances (i.e. citizenship), and the cutoff date of 1929 might be the earliest date that hungary allowed dual citizenship.

i don't think that the collective wisdom of h-sig, or parsing the (english) wording
on the consulate's web site, will be able to circumvent that - not even in the
google age. your best bet is to contact the embassy or consulate, and speak to the
person in charge of handling citizenship requests. policies are implemented by bureaucrats, usually with discretionary powers.


....... tom klein, toronto


ps. as a historical, and genealogical, footnote, i have in my possession a very rare document: a hungarian "emigration passport" >from the communist era. i don't know how many others, if any, were ever issued, but it was so rare that the border guards had never seen one before!


erikagottfried53@... wrote:

I am in the process of trying to get Hungarian citizenship for myself and m=
y daughter (because of the advantages conferred by Hungary's membership=
in the EU), for which I understood that we are eligible because my late fa=
ther was born in Hungary.

[snip!]

The following appears on the New York City Consulate website: "Those who l=
eft Hungary before September 1st, 1929 could lose their citizenship by livi=
ng continuously abroad for a period exceeding 10 years. This 10-year period=
began after the expiry date in the person's last Hungarian passport. There=
fore, in this case, a Hungarian official document (e.g. a passport, a writt=
en declaration made in a Hungarian Consulate, etc.) must be produced which =
would prove that the person kept his/her citizenship.

The problem is that my father, who was born in 1919, emigrated to the Unite=
d States in 1928, with his mother and sister. They had been preceded by my=
grandfather, who emigrated to the United States in 1921, and made at least=
one visit back to Hungary between 1921 and 1928.

The conditional wording ('could' lose their citizenship rather than=
'will' lose their citizenship) is ambiguous. Are there circumstan=
ces under which the descendants of someone who left Hungary before Septembe=
r 1rst, 1929 and who lived continuously abroad for more than 10 years after=
the expiry date on their last Hungarian passport, would still be eligible =
for Hungarian citizenship? If so, what would those circumstances be? And, =
since I do not have my family's Hungarian passports/written declaration=
s, etc., is it possible for me to obtain copies of the relevant ones. If so,=
where would I find such documents in Hungary? And which documents would=
be relevant? Would my father, then a 9-year-old boy, have had a passport o=
f his own, or would he perhaps have been included on my grandmother's o=
r grandfather's passports? Or mentioned in a declaration made by my gra=
ndfather? And what was the expiry date likely to have been for passports i=
ssued between the 1920s and late 1940s?

[snip!]

Moderator: OK to continue this discussion as long as it does not stray too =
far beyond
the primary scope of this discussion group.
Moderator: This thread is ended. If you have additional information for Erika, please
respond off-list.


JRI-Poland Board Member Robinn Magid Awarded Lublin Civic Medal #poland

Stanley Diamond
 

On behalf of the board of JRI-Poland, I am pleased to announce
that our colleague Robinn Magid, long-time board member and
Lublin Archive Coordinator, was among a select group who
received a civic medal last week honoring her contribution
to the City of Lublin.

On the occasion of the ancient city's 700th birthday, during a
reunion of descendants of Lublin Jewish families, the Mayor of
Lublin commended Robinn for inspiring the citizens and helping
shape the local identity of the city. For more than 10 years,
Robinn has worked closely with Brama Grodzka / TeatrNN, a
cultural center in Lublin, partnering with them and the Lublin
Archives, to recover and preserve the memory of the Jewish
citizens in her grandmother's beloved hometown.

Visit the JRI-Poland homepage at _www.jri-poland.org_
to read more about Robinn's work.

Mazel Tov, Robinn! >from Strength to Strength!

Stanley Diamond
Executive Director,
For the Board of JRI-Poland


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Hungarian citizenship question #hungary

tom
 

from what you have posted, your father definitely left before 1929, and definitely
lived abroad for more than 10 years. it's possible that the issue is dual citizenship,
or the lack of it. american naturalization forms included a renunciation of any other allegiances (i.e. citizenship), and the cutoff date of 1929 might be the earliest date that hungary allowed dual citizenship.

i don't think that the collective wisdom of h-sig, or parsing the (english) wording
on the consulate's web site, will be able to circumvent that - not even in the
google age. your best bet is to contact the embassy or consulate, and speak to the
person in charge of handling citizenship requests. policies are implemented by bureaucrats, usually with discretionary powers.


....... tom klein, toronto


ps. as a historical, and genealogical, footnote, i have in my possession a very rare document: a hungarian "emigration passport" >from the communist era. i don't know how many others, if any, were ever issued, but it was so rare that the border guards had never seen one before!


erikagottfried53@... wrote:

I am in the process of trying to get Hungarian citizenship for myself and m=
y daughter (because of the advantages conferred by Hungary's membership=
in the EU), for which I understood that we are eligible because my late fa=
ther was born in Hungary.

[snip!]

The following appears on the New York City Consulate website: "Those who l=
eft Hungary before September 1st, 1929 could lose their citizenship by livi=
ng continuously abroad for a period exceeding 10 years. This 10-year period=
began after the expiry date in the person's last Hungarian passport. There=
fore, in this case, a Hungarian official document (e.g. a passport, a writt=
en declaration made in a Hungarian Consulate, etc.) must be produced which =
would prove that the person kept his/her citizenship.

The problem is that my father, who was born in 1919, emigrated to the Unite=
d States in 1928, with his mother and sister. They had been preceded by my=
grandfather, who emigrated to the United States in 1921, and made at least=
one visit back to Hungary between 1921 and 1928.

The conditional wording ('could' lose their citizenship rather than=
'will' lose their citizenship) is ambiguous. Are there circumstan=
ces under which the descendants of someone who left Hungary before Septembe=
r 1rst, 1929 and who lived continuously abroad for more than 10 years after=
the expiry date on their last Hungarian passport, would still be eligible =
for Hungarian citizenship? If so, what would those circumstances be? And, =
since I do not have my family's Hungarian passports/written declaration=
s, etc., is it possible for me to obtain copies of the relevant ones. If so,=
where would I find such documents in Hungary? And which documents would=
be relevant? Would my father, then a 9-year-old boy, have had a passport o=
f his own, or would he perhaps have been included on my grandmother's o=
r grandfather's passports? Or mentioned in a declaration made by my gra=
ndfather? And what was the expiry date likely to have been for passports i=
ssued between the 1920s and late 1940s?

[snip!]

Moderator: OK to continue this discussion as long as it does not stray too =
far beyond
the primary scope of this discussion group.
Moderator: This thread is ended. If you have additional information for Erika, please
respond off-list.


JRI Poland #Poland JRI-Poland Board Member Robinn Magid Awarded Lublin Civic Medal #poland

Stanley Diamond
 

On behalf of the board of JRI-Poland, I am pleased to announce
that our colleague Robinn Magid, long-time board member and
Lublin Archive Coordinator, was among a select group who
received a civic medal last week honoring her contribution
to the City of Lublin.

On the occasion of the ancient city's 700th birthday, during a
reunion of descendants of Lublin Jewish families, the Mayor of
Lublin commended Robinn for inspiring the citizens and helping
shape the local identity of the city. For more than 10 years,
Robinn has worked closely with Brama Grodzka / TeatrNN, a
cultural center in Lublin, partnering with them and the Lublin
Archives, to recover and preserve the memory of the Jewish
citizens in her grandmother's beloved hometown.

Visit the JRI-Poland homepage at _www.jri-poland.org_
to read more about Robinn's work.

Mazel Tov, Robinn! >from Strength to Strength!

Stanley Diamond
Executive Director,
For the Board of JRI-Poland


Re: Hungarian Citizenship Question #hungary

stephen@...
 

As far as I know the parent under whose name you are claiming citizenship just
needs to have been born in Hungary and not their subsequent citizenship.

Two years ago my nephew gained his Hungarian passport, even though his father
had come to Australia in 1957 and had automatically become an Australian citizen
in 1962 when our parents took out Australia citizenship.

Stephen Schmideg
Melbourne,Australia


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Hungarian Citizenship Question #hungary

stephen@...
 

As far as I know the parent under whose name you are claiming citizenship just
needs to have been born in Hungary and not their subsequent citizenship.

Two years ago my nephew gained his Hungarian passport, even though his father
had come to Australia in 1957 and had automatically become an Australian citizen
in 1962 when our parents took out Australia citizenship.

Stephen Schmideg
Melbourne,Australia


STERN from Kalocsa or Paks #hungary

Israel P
 

I am looking for any descendants of the STERNs >from Kalocsa. My third
great-grandfather was born in Paks, so that is also of interest.

I'd particularly like to find some who have done DNA testing or are interested
in doing so.

Israel Pickholtz
Jerusalem

PS - Yes, I have looked at JGFF.


Re: Finding the missing link - from 1848 census records to 1885 birth records #hungary

Beth Long
 

Arik,

I have the civil records of Turcz, where Marton died in 1899. According to =
his death record, he was born about 1838 in Turcz, and his parents were Mar=
ton Salamon ands Rakhel Lebi.

Beth Long
Reno, Nevada





________________________________
From: "Arik Solomon arik.solomon@..." <h-sig@...>
To: H-SIG <h-sig@...>=20
Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2017 9:50 PM
Subject: [h-sig] Finding the missing link - >from 1848 census records to 188=
5 birth records



Fellow SIGers,


For sometime now I'm trying to trace another generation back >from my

g-grandfather to no avail.

Recently H-SIG transcribers (thanks a lot!!!) have uploaded a new

batch of the 1848 census records and for a moment I though I had a

breakthrough. However, it looks like I still have a gap I can't find

the way to bridge over - and this is where I call for your help.


My g-grandfather Marton SALAMON was born in Bikszad, Satmar megye in

1885 to Levi SALAMON (probably a misspell for Leib/Laibu) and Pepi nee

KLEIN.

Searching the 1848 census, I've found a possible match for Marton's

grandfather - Marton SALAMON, born in Liszka, Galicia in 1796 married

circa 1840 to Borcza JAKOB, born in Krass=C3=B3 (Szamoskrass=C3=B3) in 1816=
.


Now in order to find Marton Jr.'s father I tried searching all

available databases for Levi/Leib SALAMON birth, marriage or death

records to find a clue regarding his kids or parents but found nothing

relevant.


Question is where and how can I find the missing link between Marton

SALAMON (Bikszad, 1885) and Marton SALAMON (Liszka, 1796).


Any clue, tip or advice will be much appreciated.


Thanks,

Arik Solomon

ISRAEL

Fellow SIGers,


For sometime now I'm trying to trace another generation back >from my

g-grandfather to no avail.

Recently H-SIG transcribers (thanks a lot!!!) have uploaded a new

batch of the 1848 census records and for a moment I though I had a

breakthrough. However, it looks like I still have a gap I can't find

the way to bridge over - and this is where I call for your help.


My g-grandfather Marton SALAMON was born in Bikszad, Satmar megye in

1885 to Levi SALAMON (probably a misspell for Leib/Laibu) and Pepi nee

KLEIN.

Searching the 1848 census, I've found a possible match for Marton's

grandfather - Marton SALAMON, born in Liszka, Galicia in 1796 married

circa 1840 to Borcza JAKOB, born in Krass=C3=B3 (Szamoskrass=C3=B3) in 1816=
.


Now in order to find Marton Jr.'s father I tried searching all

available databases for Levi/Leib SALAMON birth, marriage or death

records to find a clue regarding his kids or parents but found nothing

relevant.


Question is where and how can I find the missing link between Marton

SALAMON (Bikszad, 1885) and Marton SALAMON (Liszka, 1796).


Any clue, tip or advice will be much appreciated.


Thanks,

Arik Solomon

ISRAEL


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Correction #hungary

Beth Long
 

Sorry, should have said
I have the civil records of Turcz, where Lebi
died in 1899. According to his death record, he was born about 1838 in
Turcz, and his parents were Marton Salamon ands Rakhel Lebi.


BAUER from Kunszentmiklos or Apostag #hungary

Israel P
 

I am looking for any descendants of the BAUERs >from Kunszentmiklos, and
earlier >from Apostag.

I'd particularly like to find some who have done DNA testing or are interested
in doing so.

Israel Pickholtz
Jerusalem

PS - Yes, I have looked at JGFF.

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