Re: Why two marriage certificates? And why different information? #records #usa

Michele Lock

I wonder if the birthplace of Tuze for the groom Hyman was a mistake, and was meant to be written down as the birthplace of the bride Katie Rosen, who on both marriage certificates is listed as born overseas, in Russia/Poland in the first civil certificate, and simply Russia in the second religious certificate. 

Do you know where this Rosen family lived in the old country? I wonder if Tuze is referring to Tuszyn, Poland.

It is odd that the maiden name for the groom's mother Anna is Goldstein on the civil certificate, and something like Saidow (or Saidens) on the religious one. Perhaps there was a surname change somewhere along the line. Perhaps at the religious ceremony, the groom's mother would have been present, and she would have been able to relate what the original surname was.

Whenever I have gotten conflicting information from records, my next step has been - to collect even more records. For instance, birth/marriage/death records of every sibling of the person in question, to see what those siblings put down for birthplaces, mother's name, etc. Sometimes the conflicting information is due to mistakes, but sometimes it is due to incorrect information being provided to whoever was making the record. For instance, my great uncle Michael saying on his marriage license that his mother's maiden name was Abrams, when it was Rabinovitch, according to Jewishgen records. I suspect he decided on the spur of the moment to choose a more American-sounding surname.
Michele Lock

Lak/Lok/Liak/Lock and Kalon/Kolon in Zagare/Joniskis/Gruzdziai, Lithuania
Lak/Lok/Liak/Lock in Plunge/Telsiai in Lithuania
Rabinowitz in Papile, Lithuania and Riga, Latvia
Trisinsky/Trushinsky/Sturisky and Leybman in Dotnuva, Lithuania
Olitsky in Alytus, Suwalki, Poland/Lithuania
Gutman/Goodman in Czestochowa, Poland
Lavine/Lev/Lew in Trenton, New Jersey and Lida/Vilna gub., Belarus

Re: (Canada and US) 60 Minutes Program on Sunday March 27 Artificial Intelligence Ability to Converse With Holocaust Survivors Even After They Die #holocaust

Marilyn Feingold

I am also uneasy with this format. I understand it’s goal, but it feels contrived and dishonest.

Marilyn Feingold

Re: Passenger lists from Antwerp to NYC and translation request #translation

Molly Staub

Check passenger lists at (in Belgium).

Happy hunting,
Molly Arost Staub
Boca Raton, FL

Re: Update on Volhynia Gubernia 3 districts project and report from Kherson #ukraine

Mary-Jane Roth

I regularly post updates here on which documents the project is working on as we progress.  Our donors of $100 or more are sent a link to access the complete translations at the same time as they are sent to JewishGen for posting to the database (which can sometimes be months later.)

Mary-Jane Roth
Alexandria, VA

Re: Picture of Tombstone at Butana Israeli Cemetery, Sao Paulo, Brazil, for Erno Friedlander #latinamerica #bessarabia #photographs

Linda Higgins

Go to (Random Acts of Genealogical Kindness) and look for a volunteer in Brazil.  You can send a message through the website.  If there are no volunteers go to the cemetery website and send them an email asking if someone there will send the photo.  i have had a lot of luck with doing that.

Linda Gordon Higgins
Spring, TX

translation: Hebrew matzevah inscription #translation

Tzvi Schnee


I am translating several matzevoth inscriptions for a volunteer who photographs tombstones for Find-A-Grave.

The Hebrew word ראגאוז  

appears after the father's name on two different inscriptions
can anyone translate this for me please
Thank you very much. Shalom, Tzvi Schnee

Re: Why two marriage certificates? And why different information? #records #usa

R Jaffer

The first marriage in February was performed by a rabbi, Rev. Emil Huld or similar who belonged to a Congregation whose name I can't decipher. Perhaps someone who lives in NY can figure it out.

Roberta Jaffer

JGS Toronto. Hybrid Meeting. Collecting the Dream. David Matlow. Sunday, 24 April 2022, 10:30 AM EST. # event #announcements #jgs-iajgs

Jerry Scherer



Collecting the Dream

“Including Tales of Using Memorabilia to Enhance Your Research”

Speaker: David Matlow


Participate in person at Sha’arei Shomayim (Toronto)


View from home 

Sunday, 24 April 2022, 10:30 AM EST.



David Matlow owns the world’s largest private collection of Theodor Herzl memorabilia. Through his website and weekly Canadian Jewish News online column, David uses his collection to inform people about the history of the Zionist movement and the State of Israel.


Collecting the Dream tells Theodor Herzl’s story illustrated through items in David Matlow’s collection of Herzl memorabilia. Herzl is not only an important historical figure as the visionary of the State of Israel and founder of political Zionism, but his life and work serve as a continuing inspiration to foster his dream of a homeland for the Jewish people in Israel.


David is a lawyer and partner at Goodmans LLP in Toronto. He is a past Chair of the Jewish Foundation of Greater Toronto and was the Co-Chair of Toronto’s 2015 Campaign for the United Jewish Appeal. He is a member of the Board of Directors for the Center for Israel Education and the Ontario Jewish Archives.


As part of his presentation, David will discuss his Herzl Project, one of the elements of which is “reverse collecting” where items from his collection are reunited with the original owner or a descendant.




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Re: Why two marriage certificates? And why different information? #records #usa

Steve Stein

Allan, yes that is pretty clear. The bigger question, why different information?

Steve Stein
Highland Park, NJ

Re: How did Jewish families from Dvinsk travel to the UK in the 1890s? #latvia

Judy Brandspigel

They most likely went from the port of Libau.  There was a rail line that went from Dvinsk to Riga. That trip took about 5 hours. There was another rail line that went from Riga to Libau. (Or they might have gone by wagon- that part was a short trip.) From there they took a ship to England. There are sites online showing old rail routes in Europe. (I'm sorry but unfortunately I don't have access to my notes for the next few days-I am in transit-otherwise I would be able to give you more info.) But if you Google this you should be able to find the maps of the rail lines.

Although travel from Dvinsk to the ports in Germany was possible - there were border crossings into Germany, which required various documents making crossing
difficult. Libau was within the same country. There were no impediments to travel. 

Judy Winstan Brandspigel
Montreal, Canada

Researching  BLACHER, VINOKUR, KATSEFF  from Dvinsk

Re: Why two marriage certificates? And why different information? #records #usa

Steve Stein

Brian, they are both marriage certificates. The licenses aren't online yet.

Steve Stein
Highland Park, NJ

Re: (Canada and US) 60 Minutes Program on Sunday March 27 Artificial Intelligence Ability to Converse With Holocaust Survivors Even After They Die #holocaust

Susan Lauscher

Response to J. Antrich's comment: I can't comment on the UK project, but as I understand the U.S. project from the 60 Minutes program, the answers from the Holocaust survivors are not generated by AI; they are responses given by the survivors during a week of non-stop questions posed by real interviewers.  AI is being used to ensure that current questioners get the appropriate responses to the questions that they are now position.
Susan Lauscher
Northglenn, CO

Re: Date of birth reconciliation #romania #records

Sherri Bobish

Hi Rebecca,

You don't say what records you have seen.  It was common for people (even some born in the U.S.) to not know their exact birthdate.  My grandfather, who came to the U.S. as a young child in 1892, wrote in his diary in 1902 that "I be on or over the age of 21."  Hence, he did not know his exact birthdate.  I've seen people whose birthdates on various records change each time, i.e different month, different day, and different year.
Good luck in your search,

Sherri Bobish

RATOWSKY / CHAIMSON (Ariogala, Lith.)
LEFFENFELD / FINK / KALTER (Daliowa & Jasliska, Pol.)
BOJDA / BLEIWEISS (Tarnow & Tarnobrzeg, Pol.)
WALTZMAN / WALZMAN (Ustrzyki Dolne, Pol.)
LEVY (Tyrawa Woloska, Pol.)
SOLON / SOLAN / SOKOLSKY (Grodek, Bialystok, Pol.)

Re: Geography question: Golub, Prussia 1832-1858 Russian Poland Congress Poland #poland #russia #germany

Ellen Barnett Cleary

Many thanks to you both for helping me with this.  I love having a clearer picture of my great grandfather's birthplace.  And though he married his wife in England, the census shows she was from Congress Poland or Russian Poland, so it IS possible they knew one another as children.
Ellen Barnett Cleary
San Francisco CA USA


Passenger lists from Antwerp to NYC and translation request #translation

Richard Stower


For years I have noted the arrival dates of my mother's family (Moses and Ida KANNER) in New York City based upon census records. I have either forgotten that I searched Ellis Island records and/or I have lost those records. The census records indicate that my g-grandparents arrived in NYC in 1898 or 1900. According to my grandmother's application for citizenship she arrived in November, 1900 from Antwerp on a Red Star Line ship (unidentified) but I have  searched through Ancestry, Family Search, Antwerp and Ellis Island databases (including Steve Morse) and no names of my g-grandparents, my grandmother or her siblings show up. Any suggestions for a deeper dive?

Also would someone kindly translate (if it can be deciphered) the attached snippet of a birth record.

Thank you.

Richard Stower
Yarmouth, Maine
Dobrowa Tarnowską: KANNER, SCHMIDT, WERNER

Re: Why two marriage certificates? And why different information? #records #usa

Brian Kerr

Are you sure that this isn't reflecting a Marriage License and the Marriage Certificate?

I've got a handful of NYC family members that has a Marriage License date and a later date for the Marriage Certificate.

-- ~Brian D. Kerr, Esq | SSG, U.S. Army (Retired) | SSA, Brigade G1, U.S. Army (Retired) |>>Known Family Surnames (Researching): Dessler, Walk(Valk), Mahler (Maler), Paradisgarten (Paradisegarten), Tomasy (Thomashy), Gluck, Preisz (Priess), Steinhardt (Steinhart), Grossman (Grosman), Sholtz (Shultz), Kaplan, Bloom, Fischer (Fisher), Levy, Baum, Duwidewic, Meisal (Maisel)<<|>>Known Family Locations/Regions (of Surnames): Poland, Ukraine, Russia, Hungary, Lithuania<<|

Lithuanian POW #lithuania


Where can I find information about a man born in Lithuania who was a WW2 POW?  I'm trying to piece together a trajectory of his life.
His name was Eli/Ela/Elja Slonimski.  He was born in Eisiskes (Eisyshok), Lithuania in 1908.  His niece told me was a POW during the entire war.  
He survived the war, emigrated to Cuba around 1948, and eventually settled in the NYC area.
Thanks for your help.
Evan Fishman

JGS Cleveland presents “What’s New in Family Tree Maker” with Mark Olsen, Wed, April 6, 7 pm ET on Zoom #announcements #education #jgs-iajgs


Join the Jewish Genealogy Society of Cleveland for our next Zoom program on Wednesday, April 6, 7-8:30 pm ET - What’s New in Family Tree Maker with Mark Olsen.


Program: Join us for a live, interactive Q and A discussion to answer all your questions about Family Tree Maker, the latest version, updates, features and more.  Feel free to send your questions in advance when you register for the program.


We will also talk about Family Tree Maker partner products - Charting Companion and Family Book Creator - both are amazing plug-ins that can help you create amazing charts, graphs, and books. We will even show how you can make additional finds with your DNA test results. 


This class is for all levels of genealogists whether you are just getting started or very experienced.


Speaker: Mark Olsen is the Family Tree Maker Ambassador to historical and genealogical societies around the world working to support their members as they use Family Tree Maker. Mark is a graduate of Brigham Young University and holds a bachelor's degree in Family History with a Spanish records emphasis. He has been working in the genealogy industry since 2007 and has been the Family Tree Maker Ambassador since 2016.


Registration: Required and free - Send an email to rsvp@... by 12 Noon ET on April 6th to receive a Zoom link.  If you are NOT a JGS Cleveland member, please include your name, email, and complete mailing address.



Go to for more program, speaker, and membership information.




Contact: Deborah A. Katz, JD, PhD

Vice President, Programming

JGS Cleveland

Re: Why two marriage certificates? And why different information? #records #usa

Elise Cundiff

The information on my grandparent's county marriage record is all correct for my grandmother, but my grandfather lied about his place of birth, his place of residence, his age (borrowed his brother's), and his occupation.   Also, the rabbi who officiated was not the one who usually appeared on all other of his family records.  
I believe that the marriage was without his father's consent or knowledge, and grandfather took pains to disguise the event to keep it from getting back to him via the rabbi.

Elise Cundiff
Worthington, OH

Re: (Canada and US) 60 Minutes Program on Sunday March 27 Artificial Intelligence Ability to Converse With Holocaust Survivors Even After They Die #holocaust

J Antrich

So-called 'interviews with Holocaust survivors' using AI, as developed in North America and the UK, are a terrible idea. They are fiction. They suggest to impressionable children (and adults) that real people are giving real answers, whereas the answers have been generated by technicians using algorithms. At best they are dramatic reconstructions. They are counter-educational. They devalue the importance of doing historical research into the undoctored archive material that has been preserved and properly documented. They are dangerous - they fuel the flame of Holocaust-denial by permitting the idea that any answers could come from any questions. Using these methods it would be quite easy to create answers indicating that the survivors had quite a nice time under Nazi rule. 
Jeremy Antrich
Surbiton, England 

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