Date   

Re: Ship Atlanta arriving to Argentina #general

Alberto Guido Chester
 

Let me add my two cents

I have rechecked the CEMLA website and will translate every info on
grandfather Markus, probably misunderstood because of language differences.

FELSENSZTEJN Markus
Age 20
Nationaity Polish
Profession Butcher
Arrived to Buenos Aires on 1923/06/14
Steamship Atlanta
Port of origin Trieste. (I suggest checking where was Trieste located
at this time, because if memory serves it swtiched between Italy and
Yugoslavia).

Hope this helps

Alberto Guido Chester


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Ship Atlanta arriving to Argentina #general

Alberto Guido Chester
 

Let me add my two cents

I have rechecked the CEMLA website and will translate every info on
grandfather Markus, probably misunderstood because of language differences.

FELSENSZTEJN Markus
Age 20
Nationaity Polish
Profession Butcher
Arrived to Buenos Aires on 1923/06/14
Steamship Atlanta
Port of origin Trieste. (I suggest checking where was Trieste located
at this time, because if memory serves it swtiched between Italy and
Yugoslavia).

Hope this helps

Alberto Guido Chester


Re: Hungarians in the USA post 1950s #hungary

michael_perl9@...
 

I wanted to close the loop on the two requests for advice that I have sent =
in the past 10 days since it has been very successful and is a glowing test=
ament to our H-Sig. I was able to locate Klara/Rachel Perl and confirmed th=
at she is a family member. In fact, the closest Perl relative I have ever f=
ound.=20

Many people reached out to me with various ideas and offers to help but I w=
ould like to thank three of our H-SIG members in particular who were incred=
ible, Gabriel Bar Shaked, Andres Carcientes and Barbara Zimmer.

As far as some research tips - MACSE the Hungarian database is excellent fo=
r records prior to the 1950s and is limited beyond that. There are two data=
bases that helped me find this new relative in the first place.
The US Holocaust Museum digital archives has now fully transcribed the Nev=
eklarsfeld list of names including the ones of survivors in Budapest in 194=
6. It generally lists the person's mother's name but unfortunately you cann=
ot search using it making it a bit harder to find married women if you don'=
t know their husband's name. Nevertheless, it is still incredibly useful. F=
or a number of years one could not access this list online since the NeveKl=
arsfeld website closed and USHMM had not properly transcribed all records.=
I am not sure when this changed but it is recent.

Secondly, the JDC.org website has a good digital archive containing cards o=
f those who left Hungary in the 1950s and stopped in Austria on the way. It=
is there I found the card for Perl Klara born in Budapest in 1934 with the=
exact date.=20

from there, we were able to search in the US on Ancestry.com and came up wi=
th her married name, but only after trying various methods. Putting in Klar=
a Perl with her birth date did not work, one needed just the date and first=
name as well as specifying Hungary as place of birth.=20

This has been a very exciting week for me and I wanted to thank everyone fo=
r the help as well as provide some insight as to how I was able to further =
my research into the current era when data is less openly available.=20


Michael Perl
New York

<From: H-SIG <h-sig@...> on behalf of H-SIG digest <h-sig@ly=
ris.jewishgen.org>
Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2016 2:04 AM
To: h-sig digest recipients
Subject: h-sig digest: September 07, 2016
=A0 =20
H-SIG Digest for Wednesday, September 07, 2016.

1. Hungarians in the USA post 1950s

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Subject: Hungarians in the USA post 1950s
From: michael_perl9@...
Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2016 02:17:04 +0000
X-Message-Number: 1

I would love some help >from those familiar with research in the US, as this=
is my first time.
I posted recently about finding more details on Perl Rachel born in 1934 in=
Budapest. Thanks to the help of a couple of very informed Jewishgenners, I=
was able to find out that her name was also Perl Klara. She left Hungary i=
n December 1956 and arrived by plane into Newark on Jan 11th 1957.=20
In my attempts to find her, I have searched all over Ancestry.com hoping to=
find a marriage record or anything else such as a full naturalisation appl=
ication, but haven't been successful.
She was 22 years old when she arrived in Jan 1957 so I am assuming that she=
got married here in the US and worked as well.=A0 What other means do I ha=
ve at my disposal to find this person?

Thanks in advance,

Michael Perl
New York

Moderator: Except for burial and Holocaust-related records, JewishGen recor=
ds typically
date >from years prior to WWII. Please contact Michael off-list with suggest=
ions for
researching Hungarians who came to the US in 1956-57 unless your informatio=
n is
likely to be of general interest.>


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Hungarians in the USA post 1950s #hungary

michael_perl9@...
 

I wanted to close the loop on the two requests for advice that I have sent =
in the past 10 days since it has been very successful and is a glowing test=
ament to our H-Sig. I was able to locate Klara/Rachel Perl and confirmed th=
at she is a family member. In fact, the closest Perl relative I have ever f=
ound.=20

Many people reached out to me with various ideas and offers to help but I w=
ould like to thank three of our H-SIG members in particular who were incred=
ible, Gabriel Bar Shaked, Andres Carcientes and Barbara Zimmer.

As far as some research tips - MACSE the Hungarian database is excellent fo=
r records prior to the 1950s and is limited beyond that. There are two data=
bases that helped me find this new relative in the first place.
The US Holocaust Museum digital archives has now fully transcribed the Nev=
eklarsfeld list of names including the ones of survivors in Budapest in 194=
6. It generally lists the person's mother's name but unfortunately you cann=
ot search using it making it a bit harder to find married women if you don'=
t know their husband's name. Nevertheless, it is still incredibly useful. F=
or a number of years one could not access this list online since the NeveKl=
arsfeld website closed and USHMM had not properly transcribed all records.=
I am not sure when this changed but it is recent.

Secondly, the JDC.org website has a good digital archive containing cards o=
f those who left Hungary in the 1950s and stopped in Austria on the way. It=
is there I found the card for Perl Klara born in Budapest in 1934 with the=
exact date.=20

from there, we were able to search in the US on Ancestry.com and came up wi=
th her married name, but only after trying various methods. Putting in Klar=
a Perl with her birth date did not work, one needed just the date and first=
name as well as specifying Hungary as place of birth.=20

This has been a very exciting week for me and I wanted to thank everyone fo=
r the help as well as provide some insight as to how I was able to further =
my research into the current era when data is less openly available.=20


Michael Perl
New York

<From: H-SIG <h-sig@...> on behalf of H-SIG digest <h-sig@ly=
ris.jewishgen.org>
Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2016 2:04 AM
To: h-sig digest recipients
Subject: h-sig digest: September 07, 2016
=A0 =20
H-SIG Digest for Wednesday, September 07, 2016.

1. Hungarians in the USA post 1950s

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Subject: Hungarians in the USA post 1950s
From: michael_perl9@...
Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2016 02:17:04 +0000
X-Message-Number: 1

I would love some help >from those familiar with research in the US, as this=
is my first time.
I posted recently about finding more details on Perl Rachel born in 1934 in=
Budapest. Thanks to the help of a couple of very informed Jewishgenners, I=
was able to find out that her name was also Perl Klara. She left Hungary i=
n December 1956 and arrived by plane into Newark on Jan 11th 1957.=20
In my attempts to find her, I have searched all over Ancestry.com hoping to=
find a marriage record or anything else such as a full naturalisation appl=
ication, but haven't been successful.
She was 22 years old when she arrived in Jan 1957 so I am assuming that she=
got married here in the US and worked as well.=A0 What other means do I ha=
ve at my disposal to find this person?

Thanks in advance,

Michael Perl
New York

Moderator: Except for burial and Holocaust-related records, JewishGen recor=
ds typically
date >from years prior to WWII. Please contact Michael off-list with suggest=
ions for
researching Hungarians who came to the US in 1956-57 unless your informatio=
n is
likely to be of general interest.>


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Phoenix Jewish Genealogy Group meeting, Sunday, Sept 18, from 1-3 P.M. #general

Emily Garber
 

Plan to join us on Sunday, September 18, 2016, 1:00-3:00 P.M. - in
room 102 at the Valley of the Sun Jewish Community Center, 12701 N
Scottsdale Rd, Scottsdale, AZ.

During the first part of the meeting we will hear a report >from those
who attended the International Association of Jewish Genealogical
Societies conference held in Seattle this past August.

During the second half, we will have a welcome-back-from-the-summer
mentoring session to discuss our research successes and challenges.
Come prepared with reports on your progress and/or questions about how
to proceed with your research. We will talk them through together and
our local experts will try to help.

Emily Garber
Chair, Phoenix Jewish Genealogy Group
https://www.azjhs.org/Genealogy.html


Phoenix Jewish Genealogy Group meeting, Sunday, Sept 18, from 1-3 P.M. #general

Emily Garber
 

Plan to join us on Sunday, September 18, 2016, 1:00-3:00 P.M. - in
room 102 at the Valley of the Sun Jewish Community Center, 12701 N
Scottsdale Rd, Scottsdale, AZ.

During the first part of the meeting we will hear a report >from those
who attended the International Association of Jewish Genealogical
Societies conference held in Seattle this past August.

During the second half, we will have a welcome-back-from-the-summer
mentoring session to discuss our research successes and challenges.
Come prepared with reports on your progress and/or questions about how
to proceed with your research. We will talk them through together and
our local experts will try to help.

Emily Garber
Chair, Phoenix Jewish Genealogy Group
https://www.azjhs.org/Genealogy.html


Re: Immigration from Scotland #general

Phyllis Kramer
 

Alva Noonan wondered why her Kiev ggrandparents came to Ellis Island >from
Scotland.

I would suggest some explanations.

They most likely travelled to a European port by railroad. Once there the
steamship tickets were cheaper if they went first to the British Isles and
then boarded a transatlantic steamship.

Or possibly they purchased these tickets in Kiev without realizing there
were more direct opportunities.

You might want to check incoming manifests to Britain and the Jewish shelter
database to see if there is additional information on them.

Happy hunting
Phyllis Kramer, NYC & Palm Beach Gdns, Florida


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Immigration from Scotland #general

Phyllis Kramer
 

Alva Noonan wondered why her Kiev ggrandparents came to Ellis Island >from
Scotland.

I would suggest some explanations.

They most likely travelled to a European port by railroad. Once there the
steamship tickets were cheaper if they went first to the British Isles and
then boarded a transatlantic steamship.

Or possibly they purchased these tickets in Kiev without realizing there
were more direct opportunities.

You might want to check incoming manifests to Britain and the Jewish shelter
database to see if there is additional information on them.

Happy hunting
Phyllis Kramer, NYC & Palm Beach Gdns, Florida


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Ship Atlanta arriving to Argentina #general

Paul Silverstone
 

Your ship is probably the Atlanta of the Cosulich Line (formerly Austrian)
which also carried meat >from Argentina to Italy.

Built in 1909 by Russell & Co, Port Glasgow, 4,897 gross tons. Fitted to
carry 80 1st & 2nd class passengers, and 1,200 3rd class. Bombed and sunk
off Egersund, Norway, 11 Jan 1945, as the German-flag Charlotte.

(Source: South Atlantic Seaway, N.R.P. Bonsor)

Paul Silverstone

On 9/9/2016 4:22 PM, Nicole Yossefi <nicole.y.de.c@...> wrote:
Hello genners
my grandfather Markus Felsensztejn arrived on June 01, 1923 to Argentina.
I couldn't find the port of departure in the CESLA website nor any
other details about the ship on the web.
Any help will be highly appreciated.


Re: Ship Atlanta arriving to Argentina #general

Paul Silverstone
 

Your ship is probably the Atlanta of the Cosulich Line (formerly Austrian)
which also carried meat >from Argentina to Italy.

Built in 1909 by Russell & Co, Port Glasgow, 4,897 gross tons. Fitted to
carry 80 1st & 2nd class passengers, and 1,200 3rd class. Bombed and sunk
off Egersund, Norway, 11 Jan 1945, as the German-flag Charlotte.

(Source: South Atlantic Seaway, N.R.P. Bonsor)

Paul Silverstone

On 9/9/2016 4:22 PM, Nicole Yossefi <nicole.y.de.c@...> wrote:
Hello genners
my grandfather Markus Felsensztejn arrived on June 01, 1923 to Argentina.
I couldn't find the port of departure in the CESLA website nor any
other details about the ship on the web.
Any help will be highly appreciated.


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Seeking help pulling Lithuanian records in Russian #lithuania

David W. Perle
 

Hi, all. While I find the old 1880s records >from Poland quite easy
to figure out, I have the hardest time figuring out the Lithuanian
records. Querying on JewishGen, I found links to scanned pages on
FamilySearch for several people I'd like to pull, but I can't figure
out which pages they're on. Would you be able to (a) please show me
which pages/records they actually are so that I may save them and/or
also (b) please translate them for me? In contrast to the records
from Poland, the Lithuanian records are much briefer!
One of the records is definitely that of my great-grandfather's
birth, Nathan. Then there's a death record that I'm pretty certain is
his paternal grandmother, but then there's another one which also
could potentially be his paternal grandmother. Next, I have what I'm
pretty certain is Nathan's paternal grandfather's death record.
Lastly, possibly that man's father's death record.

I also e-mailed my second-cousin about his grandmother--one of
Nathan's daughters--whose birth record I found and I doubt that he's
had it yet, or has had a translation, so I'm sure he'd appreciate help
with that as well?

Thanks for any help!

David
Washington, DC
Researching PRZEGRODA, BLUM, PERLE, ARONOWSKY, SCHNEIDEROVSKY,
SMOLEY/SMOLA, GOTTLIEB, KROLL, SKORA...

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please respond privately so David can give you the
specifics -- town, surname, year -- of the records he is looking for.


Seeking help pulling Lithuanian records in Russian #lithuania

David W. Perle
 

Hi, all. While I find the old 1880s records >from Poland quite easy
to figure out, I have the hardest time figuring out the Lithuanian
records. Querying on JewishGen, I found links to scanned pages on
FamilySearch for several people I'd like to pull, but I can't figure
out which pages they're on. Would you be able to (a) please show me
which pages/records they actually are so that I may save them and/or
also (b) please translate them for me? In contrast to the records
from Poland, the Lithuanian records are much briefer!
One of the records is definitely that of my great-grandfather's
birth, Nathan. Then there's a death record that I'm pretty certain is
his paternal grandmother, but then there's another one which also
could potentially be his paternal grandmother. Next, I have what I'm
pretty certain is Nathan's paternal grandfather's death record.
Lastly, possibly that man's father's death record.

I also e-mailed my second-cousin about his grandmother--one of
Nathan's daughters--whose birth record I found and I doubt that he's
had it yet, or has had a translation, so I'm sure he'd appreciate help
with that as well?

Thanks for any help!

David
Washington, DC
Researching PRZEGRODA, BLUM, PERLE, ARONOWSKY, SCHNEIDEROVSKY,
SMOLEY/SMOLA, GOTTLIEB, KROLL, SKORA...

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please respond privately so David can give you the
specifics -- town, surname, year -- of the records he is looking for.


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania New Data Added to the ALD for Q3 2016 #lithuania

Eden Joachim <esjoachim@...>
 

This is a summary of the new data uploaded to the All Lithuania Database
( ALD ) for the 3rd Quarter of 2016. It is now publicly searchable.

The Grand Total of New Lines is 25,458.

Revision List Template (Total Lines 13,485): Records for Disna District,
Kaunas District, Lida District, Oshmiany District, Panevezys District,
Siauliai District, Suwalki Gubernia, Svencionys District, Trakai District
and Ukmerge District.

Tax List Template (Total Lines 2,296): Records for Kaunas District, Suwalki
Gubernia and Zarasai District.

Vital Records (Total Lines 6,222): Records for Siauliai District, Suwalki
Gubernia, Telsiai District, Trakai District, Vilnius City and District and
Zarasai District.

Internal Passports (Total Lines 3,455): Records for Vilnius City.


Happy hunting,

Eden Joachim
Vice President LitvakSIG


New Data Added to the ALD for Q3 2016 #lithuania

Eden Joachim <esjoachim@...>
 

This is a summary of the new data uploaded to the All Lithuania Database
( ALD ) for the 3rd Quarter of 2016. It is now publicly searchable.

The Grand Total of New Lines is 25,458.

Revision List Template (Total Lines 13,485): Records for Disna District,
Kaunas District, Lida District, Oshmiany District, Panevezys District,
Siauliai District, Suwalki Gubernia, Svencionys District, Trakai District
and Ukmerge District.

Tax List Template (Total Lines 2,296): Records for Kaunas District, Suwalki
Gubernia and Zarasai District.

Vital Records (Total Lines 6,222): Records for Siauliai District, Suwalki
Gubernia, Telsiai District, Trakai District, Vilnius City and District and
Zarasai District.

Internal Passports (Total Lines 3,455): Records for Vilnius City.


Happy hunting,

Eden Joachim
Vice President LitvakSIG


South Africa SIG #SouthAfrica Looking for KATZENBERG descendants #southafrica

Sandy Crystall
 
Edited

Hello-
A cousin has been scanning many family photos that her mother labeled
very well. I just was provided a copy of a photo of the 1910 wedding
of Becky and Leon KATZENBERG. I have also located their records in
JOWBR; the couple is buried in Chevra Kadisha in Johannesburg.
Rebecca died in 1951 and Leon Harris died in 1952. I know nothing
more about them, except that I believe that we are related -- likely
through my GLASS family.

If anyone knows of the family/descendants, I would be interested in
connecting with them.

Thank you very much!

Sandy Crystall New Hampshire, USA http://kehilalinks.jewishgen.org/Belozerka/


Looking for KATZENBERG descendants #southafrica

Sandy Crystall
 

Hello-
A cousin has been scanning many family photos that her mother labeled
very well. I just was provided a copy of a photo of the 1910 wedding
of Becky and Leon KATZENBERG. I have also located their records in
JOWBR; the couple is buried in Chevra Kadisha in Johannesburg.
Rebecca died in 1951 and Leon Harris died in 1952. I know nothing
more about them, except that I believe that we are related -- likely
through my GLASS family.

If anyone knows of the family/descendants, I would be interested in
connecting with them.

Thank you very much!

Sandy Crystall
New Hampshire, USA


Researching: SOBEL, PASTERNAK, GLECKEL, STUTMAN, WILLIK, - Belozerka,
Ukraine; GREENBERG/ GLASS - Grodno, Belarus?; CRYSTAL, KRISTAL -
Latvia/Lithuania (Riga/Sirvintos/Zagare?); SHERMAN - London, England:
Pasvalys, Lithuania; Bauska, Latvia; Melbourne, Australia; Brooklyn,
NY; Baltimore, Maryland; Chicago, Illinois; Los Angeles, California;
KAPITNIK - Belarus; LEVINSON- Ventspils; STEINGRUB- Latvia/Lithuania;
FEINSTEIN/GOODMAN - Lithuania/Latvia (?); TUKATCH- Lithuania(?)

http://kehilalinks.jewishgen.org/Belozerka/


Voters' List, Riga, Novodevichy, Baltic, Orenburg, Kiev, Berdichev, Boguslav, Belaya-Tserkov, Varnovitsky, Warsaw, Velizh, Vilna, Voznesensk, Gadyach, Yekaterinoslav, Yanushpol #general

Marilyn Robinson
 

Hi Genners,

Here are the latest postings found on my Jewish genealogy blog at:
http://YourJewishGem.blogspot.com


1907 Society for the Spread of Education: Kiev (#1) and (#2) Berdichev,
Boguslav, Belaya-Tserkov, Varnovitsky, Warsaw, Velizh, Vilna, Voznesensk,
Gadyach, Yekaterinoslav, Yanushpol

1912 Mogilev-Podolski Voters' List (#8, #9)

1862-1912 Riga Politechnical Institute: Students (#1, #2)

Riga Jewish Secular School

1907 Baltic Yearbook: Doctors, Dentists, Midwives

Novodevichy Necropolis

1923 Orenburg Region: Jews (#2)

1914-1918 World War I: Jewish Graves & Heroes (A)

Regards,

Marilyn Robinson
Florida


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Voters' List, Riga, Novodevichy, Baltic, Orenburg, Kiev, Berdichev, Boguslav, Belaya-Tserkov, Varnovitsky, Warsaw, Velizh, Vilna, Voznesensk, Gadyach, Yekaterinoslav, Yanushpol #general

Marilyn Robinson
 

Hi Genners,

Here are the latest postings found on my Jewish genealogy blog at:
http://YourJewishGem.blogspot.com


1907 Society for the Spread of Education: Kiev (#1) and (#2) Berdichev,
Boguslav, Belaya-Tserkov, Varnovitsky, Warsaw, Velizh, Vilna, Voznesensk,
Gadyach, Yekaterinoslav, Yanushpol

1912 Mogilev-Podolski Voters' List (#8, #9)

1862-1912 Riga Politechnical Institute: Students (#1, #2)

Riga Jewish Secular School

1907 Baltic Yearbook: Doctors, Dentists, Midwives

Novodevichy Necropolis

1923 Orenburg Region: Jews (#2)

1914-1918 World War I: Jewish Graves & Heroes (A)

Regards,

Marilyn Robinson
Florida


Marcus und Mindel BONDY in Bohemia #austria-czech

redel.mike@...
 

Dear sigs,

at first informations about the registers.

mariage 1829 in Balve
Salomon BONDY 40 years old (born 1789) - parents Mathias BONDY in
Dobrzisek in Boehmen (father is dead)

mariage 1833 in Balve
Salomon BONDY 45 years old - Mathias BONDY >from Dobezisck (parents are dead)
marriage 1834 in Hohenlimburg:

David BONDY Handelsmann in Limburg - parents Markus BONDY salesman in
Dopsis near Prag (both parents are dead)

I am asking me if Markus and Mathias are the same persons? I have red
in a book that Marcus was married with Mindel. Marcu died before 1829
and Mindel died before 1833.

Could anyone help me where Dobrzisek, Dobezisck and Dopsis? I hope to
find more about Marcus and Mindel - are more children known?

Regards

Mike Redel - Unna - Germany


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Marcus und Mindel BONDY in Bohemia #austria-czech

redel.mike@...
 

Dear sigs,

at first informations about the registers.

mariage 1829 in Balve
Salomon BONDY 40 years old (born 1789) - parents Mathias BONDY in
Dobrzisek in Boehmen (father is dead)

mariage 1833 in Balve
Salomon BONDY 45 years old - Mathias BONDY >from Dobezisck (parents are dead)
marriage 1834 in Hohenlimburg:

David BONDY Handelsmann in Limburg - parents Markus BONDY salesman in
Dopsis near Prag (both parents are dead)

I am asking me if Markus and Mathias are the same persons? I have red
in a book that Marcus was married with Mindel. Marcu died before 1829
and Mindel died before 1833.

Could anyone help me where Dobrzisek, Dobezisck and Dopsis? I hope to
find more about Marcus and Mindel - are more children known?

Regards

Mike Redel - Unna - Germany

80221 - 80240 of 673295