Anne,

>from what years are these manifests?

My first guess is that in addition to being Jewish (Hebrew) they wanted
to emphasize that they are ethnic Hungarians (with Romanian citizenship).

- Todd Edelman
Near Los Angeles

On 10/25/2014 08:45 PM, Anne Kenison nosinekenna@gmail.com wrote:

What is the significance of the ethnicity designation "Romanian
Hungarian" on the ship manifest of a Romanian Jew immigrating to
the US? I have found this on ship manifests of relatives from
Galati, Iasi, and Bucuresti.

I apologize for repeated submissions but I'm getting important
information in a piecemeal fashion.

Original query:

A friend of mine's parents were married on Lag B'omer, 1947 in
Munich. On her declaration of intent, her mother indicated that
they were married in March 1946 in Lublin.

Assuming the mother wasn't confusing two separate events, can
anyone suggest why she would have "altered" her marriage
information?

New message:

Thanks to those who responded to my initial query suggesting that
one marriage date referred to a civil ceremony while the other to
a religious ceremony.

However, I omitted an important fact. My friend reminded me that
her parents didn't meet *until* the end of 1946 so a March 1946
marriage date would hence not be appropriate.

In addition she has her parents' ketubah which indicates that they
were married in Munich, Germany on Lag B'omer 1947 with the
officiating rabbi's name on it.

Would there have been an advantage to supplying an earlier
marriage date in order to expedite immigration >from Germany to the
U.S. or Canada?

Evan Fishman
New Jersey, USA

Anne,

>from what years are these manifests?

My first guess is that in addition to being Jewish (Hebrew) they wanted
to emphasize that they are ethnic Hungarians (with Romanian citizenship).

- Todd Edelman
Near Los Angeles

On 10/25/2014 08:45 PM, Anne Kenison nosinekenna@gmail.com wrote:

What is the significance of the ethnicity designation "Romanian
Hungarian" on the ship manifest of a Romanian Jew immigrating to
the US? I have found this on ship manifests of relatives from
Galati, Iasi, and Bucuresti.

I apologize for repeated submissions but I'm getting important
information in a piecemeal fashion.

Original query:

A friend of mine's parents were married on Lag B'omer, 1947 in
Munich. On her declaration of intent, her mother indicated that
they were married in March 1946 in Lublin.

Assuming the mother wasn't confusing two separate events, can
anyone suggest why she would have "altered" her marriage
information?

New message:

Thanks to those who responded to my initial query suggesting that
one marriage date referred to a civil ceremony while the other to
a religious ceremony.

However, I omitted an important fact. My friend reminded me that
her parents didn't meet *until* the end of 1946 so a March 1946
marriage date would hence not be appropriate.

In addition she has her parents' ketubah which indicates that they
were married in Munich, Germany on Lag B'omer 1947 with the
officiating rabbi's name on it.

Would there have been an advantage to supplying an earlier
marriage date in order to expedite immigration >from Germany to the
U.S. or Canada?

Evan Fishman
New Jersey, USA

Der juedische Friedhof Obernzenn 1613-2013 (The Jewish Cemetery of
Oberzenn 1613-2013) by Gisela Naomi Blume
Publisher Nuernberg : Gesellschaft fuer Familienforschung in Franken, 2013
ISBN 9783929865622
The book includes the inscriptions (with German translation >from the Hebrew)
and photographs of 377 heastones of the Jewish cemetery of Oberzenn, as
well as biographical data and 87 genealogical trees.

The book is available at the USHMM and some major university libraries and
can be ordered directly >from the publisher. I have no financial interest in
the book and have not read it.

Andreas Schwab, Beaconsfield, Canada <andreas.schwab@mcgill.ca>

Der juedische Friedhof Obernzenn 1613-2013 (The Jewish Cemetery of
Oberzenn 1613-2013) by Gisela Naomi Blume
Publisher Nuernberg : Gesellschaft fuer Familienforschung in Franken, 2013
ISBN 9783929865622
The book includes the inscriptions (with German translation >from the Hebrew)
and photographs of 377 heastones of the Jewish cemetery of Oberzenn, as
well as biographical data and 87 genealogical trees.

The book is available at the USHMM and some major university libraries and
can be ordered directly >from the publisher. I have no financial interest in
the book and have not read it.

Andreas Schwab, Beaconsfield, Canada <andreas.schwab@mcgill.ca>

Thanks to all the GerSIGGERS who wrote to tell me how to print out the
document on the Ancestry.com website:

Use the "save to computer" button on the Ancestry.com page.
Once it is saved, you can print it as you like.

Some things are so simple....when you know how to do them.
Thanks to all for your help, with this and all my other requests.
What a WONDERFUL group is GerSIG !!!!!

Barbara Algaze, Los Angeles, California Algaze3@gmail.com

Thanks to all the GerSIGGERS who wrote to tell me how to print out the
document on the Ancestry.com website:

Use the "save to computer" button on the Ancestry.com page.
Once it is saved, you can print it as you like.

Some things are so simple....when you know how to do them.
Thanks to all for your help, with this and all my other requests.
What a WONDERFUL group is GerSIG !!!!!

Barbara Algaze, Los Angeles, California Algaze3@gmail.com

Barbara,
Try clicking SAVE in the top right corner and then 'Save to your
computer'. That saves the entire image to your system and I'm sure you
can then print it as you wish. Hope this helps. Regards,

Irene Peters, Dallas, TX iupfamilyresearch@gmail.com

Barbara Algaze algaze3@gmail.com wrote:

What a WONDERFUL resource !!!
However, I am having difficulty printing out a marriage document; it only
prints out what shows on the screen. Does anyone have any suggestion for

printing out the entire document in one piece?

Barbara,
Try clicking SAVE in the top right corner and then 'Save to your
computer'. That saves the entire image to your system and I'm sure you
can then print it as you wish. Hope this helps. Regards,

Irene Peters, Dallas, TX iupfamilyresearch@gmail.com

Barbara Algaze algaze3@gmail.com wrote:

What a WONDERFUL resource !!!
However, I am having difficulty printing out a marriage document; it only
prints out what shows on the screen. Does anyone have any suggestion for

printing out the entire document in one piece?

Recently, I donated a book to the YIVO Institute for Jewish Research,
15 W. 16th Street, New York, NY 10011 which is entitled Zichron Yakov
- Remember Jacob by Rabbi Yakov ben Saul Gefen. The book is an
interpretation of several novelae of the Babylonian bible. It should
appeal to JewishGen researchers as well as specialized Litvak and
rabbinical researchers and those interested in the Holocaust.

The donation was facilitated by Lyudmila Sholokhova, PhD, Head Librarian
and Acting Chief Archivist of YIVO. The book can be found in the YIVO
Library Catalog, Call #000132972, and contains a catalog record note
with a special history of the book.

It was through the assistance and coordination of several individuals
that the book was first brought to my attention and enabled its
donation to YIVO. Firstly, Howard Margol received the book >from Genadij
Gofmann, the head of the Panevezys, Lithuania, Jewish community. He had
gotten it >from Jonas Jarutis, the Mayor of Kupiskis, Lithuania. According
to Mayor Jarutis, the book had been found under the wooden floor of his
home whilst he was doing renovations. Given this origin, the book can
therefore be considered a virtual Holocaust survivor of the town.

Further research and assistance >from Avraham Malthete, Epigraphist -
Paleograph, Library of the Alliance Israelite Universelle, Paris, France,
and Orit Lavi, Israel, determined that the book was a torah interpretation
by Rabbi Yakov ben Saul Gefen. He was part of the well-known Gefen and
Weitz rabbinical families in Kupiskis and was a member of the Yeshiva as
well as the agudah religious organization in 1913. The book was
published in 1913 by F. Garbera (Shraga-Feibel Garber), Zavalaya Street,
Building 25, Vilna, Lithuania, and contained 64 pages. According to
records kept by YIVO, Garber operated a publishing house at that location

from 1901-1939.

In addition, the Haskamah letter on Page 3 of the book was written
by Rabbi Yehuda-Leib Shalom Tzinabel, Rav Hagaon Sinai (Sinaiis
used for a scholar of extensive knowledge). He served as Rabbi of
Kupiskis >from 1890-1898 and was a former Rabbi of Rubiniskis and Ostrof.
As one looks at the book, with its pink-colored jacket, lovely thin
uncut pages and words in Hebrew about stories >from the Babylonian bible,
its survival continues to remind us of the fragility of learning, education
and life. The typeface has smeared a bit and the pages are worn and
curled, but the words linger on. Those, who wish, can still read the
thoughts >from a young Rabbi Yakov Gefen, who has long left this world
under circumstances unknown, in a town in Lithuania, a small place
named Kupiskis.

Not only is the actual book located at YIVO, but researchers can find
a complete copy of the book online at the following site:
http://www.hebrewbooks.org/6867.

Ann Rabinowitz
arabinow@bellsouth.net

Recently, I donated a book to the YIVO Institute for Jewish Research,
15 W. 16th Street, New York, NY 10011 which is entitled Zichron Yakov
- Remember Jacob by Rabbi Yakov ben Saul Gefen. The book is an
interpretation of several novelae of the Babylonian bible. It should
appeal to JewishGen researchers as well as specialized Litvak and
rabbinical researchers and those interested in the Holocaust.

The donation was facilitated by Lyudmila Sholokhova, PhD, Head Librarian
and Acting Chief Archivist of YIVO. The book can be found in the YIVO
Library Catalog, Call #000132972, and contains a catalog record note
with a special history of the book.

It was through the assistance and coordination of several individuals
that the book was first brought to my attention and enabled its
donation to YIVO. Firstly, Howard Margol received the book >from Genadij
Gofmann, the head of the Panevezys, Lithuania, Jewish community. He had
gotten it >from Jonas Jarutis, the Mayor of Kupiskis, Lithuania. According
to Mayor Jarutis, the book had been found under the wooden floor of his
home whilst he was doing renovations. Given this origin, the book can
therefore be considered a virtual Holocaust survivor of the town.

Further research and assistance >from Avraham Malthete, Epigraphist -
Paleograph, Library of the Alliance Israelite Universelle, Paris, France,
and Orit Lavi, Israel, determined that the book was a torah interpretation
by Rabbi Yakov ben Saul Gefen. He was part of the well-known Gefen and
Weitz rabbinical families in Kupiskis and was a member of the Yeshiva as
well as the agudah religious organization in 1913. The book was
published in 1913 by F. Garbera (Shraga-Feibel Garber), Zavalaya Street,
Building 25, Vilna, Lithuania, and contained 64 pages. According to
records kept by YIVO, Garber operated a publishing house at that location

from 1901-1939.

In addition, the Haskamah letter on Page 3 of the book was written
by Rabbi Yehuda-Leib Shalom Tzinabel, Rav Hagaon Sinai (Sinaiis
used for a scholar of extensive knowledge). He served as Rabbi of
Kupiskis >from 1890-1898 and was a former Rabbi of Rubiniskis and Ostrof.
As one looks at the book, with its pink-colored jacket, lovely thin
uncut pages and words in Hebrew about stories >from the Babylonian bible,
its survival continues to remind us of the fragility of learning, education
and life. The typeface has smeared a bit and the pages are worn and
curled, but the words linger on. Those, who wish, can still read the
thoughts >from a young Rabbi Yakov Gefen, who has long left this world
under circumstances unknown, in a town in Lithuania, a small place
named Kupiskis.

Not only is the actual book located at YIVO, but researchers can find
a complete copy of the book online at the following site:
http://www.hebrewbooks.org/6867.

Ann Rabinowitz
arabinow@bellsouth.net

LitvakSIG has learned that member Neil Abelson of New York passed away on
October 15.

Our condolences to his family and friends.

Eden Joachim
President

LitvakSIG has learned that member Neil Abelson of New York passed away on
October 15.

Our condolences to his family and friends.

Eden Joachim
President

A new Facebook page has been launched for Jewish Lida District in Vilna
Guberniya

www.facebook.com/groups/JewishLidaDistrictinVilnaGuberniya/?fref=nf

If your ancestors came >from Belitsy, Eisiskes/Eishishok, Lida, Novy
Dwor, Orlya, Ostryna, Radun, Rozhanka, Schuchin, Vasilishki, Voronova,
Zaludok or nearby villages, this Facebook page is a place where you
can find maps and photos of your towns, and links to historical
information -- and on which you can post photos of your own families

from Lida District towns and share family info.

The new Facebook page does not in any way replace LitvakSIG's Lida
District Research Group page https://lidadistrict.shutterfly.com
on which contributors to the group can see new translations of Jewish
records >from the Lida District. Nor does it replace the Lida District
Kehillalink. The Facebook page will simply enable us to exchange
additional resources and be found more readily by folks who are
involved with social media.

We invite you to join with us.

Judy Baston, Coordinator, LitvakSIG Lida District Research Group
Ellen Sadove Ranck and Irene Newhouse, Lida District Researchers
of BelarusSIG

A new Facebook page has been launched for Jewish Lida District in Vilna
Guberniya

www.facebook.com/groups/JewishLidaDistrictinVilnaGuberniya/?fref=nf

If your ancestors came >from Belitsy, Eisiskes/Eishishok, Lida, Novy
Dwor, Orlya, Ostryna, Radun, Rozhanka, Schuchin, Vasilishki, Voronova,
Zaludok or nearby villages, this Facebook page is a place where you
can find maps and photos of your towns, and links to historical
information -- and on which you can post photos of your own families

from Lida District towns and share family info.

The new Facebook page does not in any way replace LitvakSIG's Lida
District Research Group page https://lidadistrict.shutterfly.com
on which contributors to the group can see new translations of Jewish
records >from the Lida District. Nor does it replace the Lida District
Kehillalink. The Facebook page will simply enable us to exchange
additional resources and be found more readily by folks who are
involved with social media.

We invite you to join with us.

Judy Baston, Coordinator, LitvakSIG Lida District Research Group
Ellen Sadove Ranck and Irene Newhouse, Lida District Researchers
of BelarusSIG

A new Facebook page has been launched for Jewish Lida District in Vilna
Guberniya

https://www.facebook.com/groups/JewishLidaDistrictinVilnaGuberniya/?fref=nf
[or http://tinyurl.com/nscmb8z --Mod.]

If your ancestors came >from Belitsy, Eisiskes/Eishishok, Lida, Novy
Dwor, Orlya, Ostryna, Radun, Rozhanka, Schuchin, Vasilishki, Voronova,
Zaludok or nearby villages, this facebook page is a page on which you
can find maps and photos of your towns,and links to historical
information -- and on which you can post photos of your own families

from Lida District towns and share family info.

The new Facebook page does not in any way replace LitvakSIG's Lida
DIstrict Research Group page https://lidadistrict.shutterfly.com
on which contributors to the group can see new translations of Jewish
records >from the Lida District. Nor does it replace the Lida District
Kehillalink. The Facebook page will simply enable us to exchange
additional resources and be found more readily by folks who are
involved with social media.

We invite you to join with us.

Judy Baston, Coordinator, LitvakSIG Lida District Research Group
Ellen Sadove Ranck and Irene Newhouse, Lida DIstrict Researchers
of BelarusSIG

A new Facebook page has been launched for Jewish Lida District in Vilna
Guberniya

https://www.facebook.com/groups/JewishLidaDistrictinVilnaGuberniya/?fref=nf
[or http://tinyurl.com/nscmb8z --Mod.]

If your ancestors came >from Belitsy, Eisiskes/Eishishok, Lida, Novy
Dwor, Orlya, Ostryna, Radun, Rozhanka, Schuchin, Vasilishki, Voronova,
Zaludok or nearby villages, this facebook page is a page on which you
can find maps and photos of your towns,and links to historical
information -- and on which you can post photos of your own families

from Lida District towns and share family info.

The new Facebook page does not in any way replace LitvakSIG's Lida
DIstrict Research Group page https://lidadistrict.shutterfly.com
on which contributors to the group can see new translations of Jewish
records >from the Lida District. Nor does it replace the Lida District
Kehillalink. The Facebook page will simply enable us to exchange
additional resources and be found more readily by folks who are
involved with social media.

We invite you to join with us.

Judy Baston, Coordinator, LitvakSIG Lida District Research Group
Ellen Sadove Ranck and Irene Newhouse, Lida DIstrict Researchers
of BelarusSIG

We have been searching for people in the NERL family (A.K.A. Neril,
Nierel, etc.) specifically Sol, Abe, Molly, and Isidore. They were born
between 1915 and 1922. All of the mentioned have married, but we cannot
locate marriage certificates for them or surnames of the spouses. As
far as we know, all of them resided in the Bronx and environs. Through
Ancestry.com we found dates of death for the 3 brothers (not Molly).

Here's all the info on spouses and offspring we have:

* Sol/Saul was married to a Katie (surname unknown), had two children.
* Molly married Sid Schenker, had a son named Marcus who lived in New
Zealand (we have a couple of potential addresses for him).
* Abe had two offspring.
* Isidore married.

As for Sol and Abe's children, we know they were born after May 1948.

Any help would be greatly appreciated, naturally.

Many thanks,
Phyllis Simon

We have been searching for people in the NERL family (A.K.A. Neril,
Nierel, etc.) specifically Sol, Abe, Molly, and Isidore. They were born
between 1915 and 1922. All of the mentioned have married, but we cannot
locate marriage certificates for them or surnames of the spouses. As
far as we know, all of them resided in the Bronx and environs. Through
Ancestry.com we found dates of death for the 3 brothers (not Molly).

Here's all the info on spouses and offspring we have:

* Sol/Saul was married to a Katie (surname unknown), had two children.
* Molly married Sid Schenker, had a son named Marcus who lived in New
Zealand (we have a couple of potential addresses for him).
* Abe had two offspring.
* Isidore married.

As for Sol and Abe's children, we know they were born after May 1948.

Any help would be greatly appreciated, naturally.

Many thanks,
Phyllis Simon