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Oekonom #austria-czech

Paul King
 

Michael Gordy asks (16.3.2014) what could "oekonom" mean in a late 19th c
context. My old German/English dictionary gives "manager" as one meaning. I
would think it is someone who manages ledgers for a small firm (accounting).

Paul King
Jerusalem


Re: What was an Oekonom? #austria-czech

hpgrab@...
 

Michael Gordy ask what was 1880-1900 an Oekonom:

Oekonom = Landwirt (farmer), Verwalter landwirtschaftlicher Gueter (manager
of agricurtural manors/estates).

Best
Hanus Grab


SIMON - Hesse Darmstadt 1800s > Kingston & NY, NY 19th Century #germany

Betty Wood <bettywoodlcsw@...>
 

I am seeking information regarding Simon SIMON, my great grandfather
and his family members who apparently resided in Hesse Darmstadt
(specific community unknown) in the 1800s. The three brothers
mentioned below emigrated >from Hesse Darmstadt to Kingston New York
and New York City during the 1860s and 1870s.

1. Simon SIMON: born 1845 -died 1914
2. Herman SIMON: born1840-1860 - died 1923
3. Moses SIMON: born 1860 - died 1920

Their US documents name Felix SIMON and Myrium VIOLET? (illegible on
death certificate) as parents.

Also researching BERGENSTEIN (Roth Marburg); HASKEL (Berlin);
GRUNEBAUM (Hermannstein).

I am an intermediate researcher who has likely exhausted all US
resources on this family. I have no German language skills and have
been unsuccessful at locating any information regarding the SIMON
family in Hesse Darmstadt. Thank you in advance for any help.

Betty Wood, LCSW bettywoodlcsw@...


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Oekonom #austria-czech

Paul King
 

Michael Gordy asks (16.3.2014) what could "oekonom" mean in a late 19th c
context. My old German/English dictionary gives "manager" as one meaning. I
would think it is someone who manages ledgers for a small firm (accounting).

Paul King
Jerusalem


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Re: What was an Oekonom? #austria-czech

hpgrab@...
 

Michael Gordy ask what was 1880-1900 an Oekonom:

Oekonom = Landwirt (farmer), Verwalter landwirtschaftlicher Gueter (manager
of agricurtural manors/estates).

Best
Hanus Grab


German SIG #Germany SIMON - Hesse Darmstadt 1800s > Kingston & NY, NY 19th Century #germany

Betty Wood <bettywoodlcsw@...>
 

I am seeking information regarding Simon SIMON, my great grandfather
and his family members who apparently resided in Hesse Darmstadt
(specific community unknown) in the 1800s. The three brothers
mentioned below emigrated >from Hesse Darmstadt to Kingston New York
and New York City during the 1860s and 1870s.

1. Simon SIMON: born 1845 -died 1914
2. Herman SIMON: born1840-1860 - died 1923
3. Moses SIMON: born 1860 - died 1920

Their US documents name Felix SIMON and Myrium VIOLET? (illegible on
death certificate) as parents.

Also researching BERGENSTEIN (Roth Marburg); HASKEL (Berlin);
GRUNEBAUM (Hermannstein).

I am an intermediate researcher who has likely exhausted all US
resources on this family. I have no German language skills and have
been unsuccessful at locating any information regarding the SIMON
family in Hesse Darmstadt. Thank you in advance for any help.

Betty Wood, LCSW bettywoodlcsw@...


The Hessen Gatermann project and our friend Martha #germany

Roger Lustig
 

Dear all:

Martha Lev-Zion volunteered for the Hessen Gatermann project last
August. Despite being unwell, she wanted to be a part of something that
could help her own research. She pitched right in; and when it turned
out she couldn't continue, she let me know that.

Just 2 days before her death she sent me a note about how wonderful the
GerSIG list is--nothing valedictory, just thanks and present-tense
enthusiasm. (I feel the same way.)

Looking through old saved emails I found one she sent to the list 4
years ago, telling us that her cousin (!) Michael BERNET had died.

Here's to good friends.

Roger Lustig Princeton, NJ USA research coordinator, GerSIG


German SIG #Germany The Hessen Gatermann project and our friend Martha #germany

Roger Lustig
 

Dear all:

Martha Lev-Zion volunteered for the Hessen Gatermann project last
August. Despite being unwell, she wanted to be a part of something that
could help her own research. She pitched right in; and when it turned
out she couldn't continue, she let me know that.

Just 2 days before her death she sent me a note about how wonderful the
GerSIG list is--nothing valedictory, just thanks and present-tense
enthusiasm. (I feel the same way.)

Looking through old saved emails I found one she sent to the list 4
years ago, telling us that her cousin (!) Michael BERNET had died.

Here's to good friends.

Roger Lustig Princeton, NJ USA research coordinator, GerSIG


EISEMANN / EISENMANN Family of Ebelsbach, Bavaria #germany

Ralph Baer
 

Does anyone have any information about a family named EISENMANN or EISEMANN
which lived at least in the early part of the 19th century in Ebelsbach
which is in the present-day Landkreis Hassberge in Bavaria? The head of the
family was Gumpel EISENMANN married to Frommet, perhaps also called Vogele.

Conceivably Gumpel was the same person as Gumpel Nathan who is listed in
Dirk Rosenstock's book "Die unterfraenkischen Judenmatrikeln von 1817" as
being 50 years old with a wife and six children. He wanted to adopt the
family name REICHENBERGER but was not allowed to do so. His second choice
for a name is not given.

Ralph N. Baer RalphNBaer@... Washington, DC


German SIG #Germany EISEMANN / EISENMANN Family of Ebelsbach, Bavaria #germany

Ralph Baer
 

Does anyone have any information about a family named EISENMANN or EISEMANN
which lived at least in the early part of the 19th century in Ebelsbach
which is in the present-day Landkreis Hassberge in Bavaria? The head of the
family was Gumpel EISENMANN married to Frommet, perhaps also called Vogele.

Conceivably Gumpel was the same person as Gumpel Nathan who is listed in
Dirk Rosenstock's book "Die unterfraenkischen Judenmatrikeln von 1817" as
being 50 years old with a wife and six children. He wanted to adopt the
family name REICHENBERGER but was not allowed to do so. His second choice
for a name is not given.

Ralph N. Baer RalphNBaer@... Washington, DC


1000 Years of European Border Changes - Automated Map #galicia

Eden Joachim <esjoachim@...>
 

An audio-video map showing 1000 years of European Border Changes can
be seen here:

http://loiter.co/v/watch-as-1000years-of-european-boarders-change/

It's interesting and may help one understand the same place being in
numerous "countries" over a span of years.

Eden Joachim


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia 1000 Years of European Border Changes - Automated Map #galicia

Eden Joachim <esjoachim@...>
 

An audio-video map showing 1000 years of European Border Changes can
be seen here:

http://loiter.co/v/watch-as-1000years-of-european-boarders-change/

It's interesting and may help one understand the same place being in
numerous "countries" over a span of years.

Eden Joachim


Re: Searching for a first name Eliokim. #general

tom
 

Just my opinion, but Eliokim and Eliyahu are two different names.

But having said that, it doesn't mean that they couldn't be confused
or interchanged, since both would be nicknamed Eli, and if I had to
guess what an Eli's proper name was, I would probably not have
guessed Eliokim. And we have all heard stories of well-meaning
"corrections" to people's names, even posthumously.

Tom Klein, Toronto

Rosalind Romem <rosalind@...> wrote:
I would appreciate the opinions of more experienced genners please.
I am trying to find earlier ancestors.

Question one. Could Eliokim and Eliyahu be interchangeable or should I be
looking for an ancestor specifically Eliokim?
[snip!]


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Searching for a first name Eliokim. #general

tom
 

Just my opinion, but Eliokim and Eliyahu are two different names.

But having said that, it doesn't mean that they couldn't be confused
or interchanged, since both would be nicknamed Eli, and if I had to
guess what an Eli's proper name was, I would probably not have
guessed Eliokim. And we have all heard stories of well-meaning
"corrections" to people's names, even posthumously.

Tom Klein, Toronto

Rosalind Romem <rosalind@...> wrote:
I would appreciate the opinions of more experienced genners please.
I am trying to find earlier ancestors.

Question one. Could Eliokim and Eliyahu be interchangeable or should I be
looking for an ancestor specifically Eliokim?
[snip!]


Correction: List of U.S. Census Reports by States #general

bhm99@...
 

An informative posting recently was made providing a link to a list of all
states and the years they conducted a census.

Connecticut is listed as never having a state census; this is not true.

In 1917-1918, Connecticut conducted a Manpower Census requiring all males
from the ages of 16 to 66 to register for the draft.
This information is available on microfilm at the Connecticut State Library
in Hartford, Ct., and is also listed on ancestry.com.
The last time I checked, the ancestry.com listing seemed incomplete.

Barney H. Miller

MODERATOR NOTE: Great catch! This collection is not documented in Lainhart's
"State Census Record" book. Further information about the collection may
be viewed at http://www.cslib.org/milcens.htm The LDS have filmed it.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Correction: List of U.S. Census Reports by States #general

bhm99@...
 

An informative posting recently was made providing a link to a list of all
states and the years they conducted a census.

Connecticut is listed as never having a state census; this is not true.

In 1917-1918, Connecticut conducted a Manpower Census requiring all males
from the ages of 16 to 66 to register for the draft.
This information is available on microfilm at the Connecticut State Library
in Hartford, Ct., and is also listed on ancestry.com.
The last time I checked, the ancestry.com listing seemed incomplete.

Barney H. Miller

MODERATOR NOTE: Great catch! This collection is not documented in Lainhart's
"State Census Record" book. Further information about the collection may
be viewed at http://www.cslib.org/milcens.htm The LDS have filmed it.


MARMORSTEIN, Moritz #general

Miunthel -
 

I am writing to see if anyone knows anything about the fate of my
grandfather's eldest brother Moritz. Moritz was born in Zillina in
1901 or 1902. He was married in Pozony to Netti TAUSZIG. They had
three daughters: one of them named Aranka who was borrn around 1927.
I believe that they lived in Holic or Bratislava.

After the war, no one in the family ever heard >from Moritz, his wife
or his children, so my family assumed they did not survive. Moritz
was not allowed to leave CZ as the rest of the family did, because he
allegedly tested positive for TB.

I have searched record after record to try to find some record of death
or survival, but have not seen any trace of any of Moritz's family.

Thank you for your time!

Miranda Flint


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen MARMORSTEIN, Moritz #general

Miunthel -
 

I am writing to see if anyone knows anything about the fate of my
grandfather's eldest brother Moritz. Moritz was born in Zillina in
1901 or 1902. He was married in Pozony to Netti TAUSZIG. They had
three daughters: one of them named Aranka who was borrn around 1927.
I believe that they lived in Holic or Bratislava.

After the war, no one in the family ever heard >from Moritz, his wife
or his children, so my family assumed they did not survive. Moritz
was not allowed to leave CZ as the rest of the family did, because he
allegedly tested positive for TB.

I have searched record after record to try to find some record of death
or survival, but have not seen any trace of any of Moritz's family.

Thank you for your time!

Miranda Flint


Re: Searchable index of UK Alien Entry cards? #general

Mark Nicholls <marknichollsmn@...>
 

There are very few records existing for entry to the UK >from mainland
Europe, particularly >from Eastern European ports such as Libau. There
are some records of people leaving Hamburg to come to the UK but it is
necessary to search the Hamburg Passenger lists for those. The
FamilySearch wiki on the Hamburg lists is very useful in helping you
understand them:

http://familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/Hamburg_Passenger_Lists

There are also records for Antwerp, try the Gjenvick-Gjønvik Archives

www.gjenvick.com/#axzz2wJ84iOGM

Several other major European ports have passenger lists and an internet
search for each port should take you to relevant sites - type in the name
of the port followed by passenger lists.

In addition there are international shipping lists for passengers to and
from the UK >from places such as USA, South Africa, Australia, and South
America. Most of these lists are on Ancestry and Findmypast.

Depending on the date of entry to the UK, an individual may have spent
time in the Poor Jews Temporary Shelter for which there are records
for 1896 to 1914:

http://chrysalis.its.uct.ac.za/shelter/shelter.htm

If someone stayed in the UK and naturalised, there will be a file at
the UK National Archives - www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

Mark Nicholls
Edgware, Middlesex, UK


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Searchable index of UK Alien Entry cards? #general

Mark Nicholls <marknichollsmn@...>
 

There are very few records existing for entry to the UK >from mainland
Europe, particularly >from Eastern European ports such as Libau. There
are some records of people leaving Hamburg to come to the UK but it is
necessary to search the Hamburg Passenger lists for those. The
FamilySearch wiki on the Hamburg lists is very useful in helping you
understand them:

http://familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/Hamburg_Passenger_Lists

There are also records for Antwerp, try the Gjenvick-Gjønvik Archives

www.gjenvick.com/#axzz2wJ84iOGM

Several other major European ports have passenger lists and an internet
search for each port should take you to relevant sites - type in the name
of the port followed by passenger lists.

In addition there are international shipping lists for passengers to and
from the UK >from places such as USA, South Africa, Australia, and South
America. Most of these lists are on Ancestry and Findmypast.

Depending on the date of entry to the UK, an individual may have spent
time in the Poor Jews Temporary Shelter for which there are records
for 1896 to 1914:

http://chrysalis.its.uct.ac.za/shelter/shelter.htm

If someone stayed in the UK and naturalised, there will be a file at
the UK National Archives - www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

Mark Nicholls
Edgware, Middlesex, UK

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