Jan Meisels Allen
Originally posted to the IAJGS Records Access Alert as it addresses records access, but since many readers of this forum are also interested in Polish records it is being reprinted here.
The Polish newspaper Rzeczpospolita reported on November 22, 2021, that the Provincial Administrative Court in Kraków in a case bearing Docket No. III SA/Kr 706/21 ruled in favor of a genealogist who had sued the mayor for access to the vital records file of his deceased great-uncle.
The Provincial Administrative Court (WSA) in Kraków decided that a man's claim against the city mayor, who refused to allow him to inspect the in the identity card of his great-grandmother's brother, was justified. Such a folder is created for every citizen when applying for an identity card. The authority argued that the applicant did not belong to the circle of the deceased's relatives. Initially, the interested party appealed to the provincial governor, but he supported the mayor’s position, referring to Civil Code Article 23 which is the basis for providing access to the deceased’s immediate family, that is ascendants and descendants of the deceased to the documentation from the evidence envelope as personal property . In the context of the memory of the deceased person, when assessing proximity, one must take into account the factual circumstances that accompanied specific family relationships. Moreover, personal contacts should be distinguished from psychological bonds between persons.
There is always a subjective element connected with the assessment of proximity, i.e. the feeling of closeness," justified Judge Hanna Knysiak-Sudyka and added: “From such generally defined subjective right it is possible to derive two basic rights: the right to good memory of the deceased and the right to true memory, i.e. not falsified and not distorted. The first of these rights corresponds to the duty of third parties to respect the good name of the deceased, the second to the duty to provide truthful information about the deceased.
The final comment in the article, said,” The decision is particularly important for people who are scientifically or amateurish in creating family trees of their family and researching its fate. Undoubtedly, it will allow them to see more freely the documents of relatives of the deceased.”
Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version) , therefore there is room for interpretation with other translation sites.
To read the original article in Polish see:
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Thank you to Yale Reisner for sharing the article with us.
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Jan Meisels Allen Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee
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Poland - Can someone please help me solve the mystery?
#poland
shiraH
Hello,
My paternal grandparents immigrated to Israel in the 1950s. Grandmother was born in Brzeziny (near Lodz) in 1912 her name was Sura Leja Mordkowicz (not 100% sure about the spelling) parents names: Jakel Wolf Mordkowicz/Rajle Lipsman Grandfather was born in 1911-1912 (we assume he was born in the same area) Josek (Jozef, Yosef)-Szmul Parents: Avraham Glowinski\Tauba (Tova, Toba) unknown last name. During the war, they left for Uzbekistan, I think they got married there when they came back to Poland they changed their name to Grynbaum. I cannot find any record of my grandfather! I searched everywhere! I am not sure why! I was told the name was Globinski but I know the Polish language doesn't really have a B sound? maybe there is another name like Globinski like a name that is not Glowinski? Thank you! Shira Harrison Los Angeles, CA, USA |
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Welsh Jewish History
#education
#names
#unitedkingdom
Laura_wendyh@...
I am the Oral History Officer for the Jewish History Association of South Wales. We are currently undertaking a project to record the oral history of 70 individuals who have stories to tell about South Wales. We are looking for any memories, and you do not have to have been born in Wales. All interviews will be conducted on Zoom, so you can be involved from anywhere in the world. The Welsh Jewish population is currently less than 0.5% of the UK Jewish population, and is declining. We hope to preserve the rich history of the community that once lived here.
Please email me directly at: Laura.henley.harrison@... Thank you, Laura Harrison. South Wales, United Kingdom. |
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Shalom Uganda
#announcements
#jgs-iajgs
The Jewish Genealogical Society of Greater Miami
From the desk of Yoram Millman JGSGM VP Programming
Press Release Sunday December 5 presentation via Zoom at Temple Beth Am Sunday Salon Contact JGSGM.VPPROGRAMMING@...
The Jewish Genealogical Society of Greater Miami in collaboration with Temple Beth Am Sunday Salon & The Sousa Mendes Foundation to introduce Janice Masur- Author of Shalom Uganda. Masur tells her story of living in Kampala, Uganda, under British imperial rule in this little-known Ashkenazi Jewish community upholding their Jewish identity. The program is moderated by Robert Jacobvitz, who serves on the Advisory Board of the Sousa Mendez foundation. Paulette Bronstein President Jewish Genealogical Society of Greater Miami |
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R Jaffer
I would like to locate Gordon relatives in the huge 1897 Odessa Census. A 2007 Avotaynu article indicated a Jewish surname index had been created:
"Every year material on Jewish history is presented at exhibits in cooperation with Jewish, literary and historical museums. A documentary presentation was organized in May 2007 for the 160 participants of the Klezmer Festival Tour (Unger Travel, Toronto, Canada) at the Odessa Historical Museum. Some special databases were created, for example, name indexes of the Odessa’s Jews in the 1897 All-Russian Census; the Odessa Board for Small Business, 1894–1918; a family register. Name and thematic catalogues on Jews also were updated [CD in Russian]." [https://avotaynuonline.com/
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Seeking pogrom victim lists from Byerazino or Pahost in Igumen district of Belarus
#belarus
dchernin@...
My late father told me that my great grandparents, Shmuel Krevoshay (sounds like) and Anna Volman were killed in pogroms following WWI. Their daughter (maiden name Scheina Krevoshay) came to the U.S. in 1914; according to her ship's manifest she came from "Berezin." I have been trying to find any records of their deaths in the pogroms near there, after WWI. I have looked in (and contributed to) the historical records of the Berezino KehilahLinks website (https://kehilalinks.jewishgen.org/Byerazino), and have found eyewitness accounts listing the victims of several of these pogroms, but, thus far, have not found any records which mention my great-grandparents. If anyone knows anything about these pogroms, or about my great-grandparents, or about the Krevoshay/Volman families in Berezino, please let me know. I'd be extremely grateful.
Dan Chernin |
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Re: was my great-grandmother Jewish?
#general
Renee Steinig
Dorann Cafaro <dorann.cafaro@...> wrote in part: ... First I found my great grandmother buried in a Jewish cemetery and was told she had to be Jewish to be buried there even though I had no knowledge of any Jewish roots. Next I found I had 25% Ashkenazi DNA so it helped confirm that I had Jewish roots. Then working on my tree I found that my gg grandfather was a Rabbi.... Dorann's story reminds me of the discoveries made several years ago by the family of New York's late Cardinal John Joseph O'Connor. Their discoveries (and the part I played in taking them a step further) were reported in this New York Times article: Renee Renee Stern Steinig Dix Hills NY USA |
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Re: was my great-grandmother Jewish?
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David Harrison <djh_119@...>
Surely it does not really matter. She is still your grandmother and always will be. If it is that important to you, why did you not ask her when you were alive and met her? On the other hand, if your mother did not ask her (or care) why should it bother
you unless and only unless some very frum (demonstratedly strict on his or her observances) relation of your potential partner is kicking up a fuss to prevent your marriage, or have you met Humpty Dumpty or the Red Queen.
David Harrison
Birninghan, England
From: main@... <main@...> on behalf of Odeda Zlotnick <odedapri@...>
Sent: 22 November 2021 10:49 To: main@... <main@...> Subject: Re: [JewishGen.org] was my great-grandmother Jewish? #general On Mon, Nov 22, 2021 at 11:07 AM, David Lewin wrote:
What would be your "scientific" reply to "who is a Jew"?My whole point is that there is no "scientific" reply to that very general question. I don't know what the original poster wanted to know when she asked her question. If she wants to know about her GGM's Jewish genes -- there's a route for that. If she want's to track a family legend -- for whatever reason - there's a route for that. And if she wants to know about possible family secrets, and their possible effects on family members -- there's a route for that too. I honestly don't think the "who is a Jew" question and its answers in 2021 is in any way relevant to what the original poster asked about he GGM. What may be relevant to her question is who was generally considered Jewish back then, why the information may have hidden or lost, what happened in highly orthodox Jewish families on the one hand, and those who were highly assimilated on the other hand. -- Odeda Zlotnick Jerusalem, Israel. |
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Re: was my great-grandmother Jewish?
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Sally Bruckheimer <sallybruc@...>
"Surely the only method common to all or most Jewish religeous groups of deciding whether someone is a Jew is whether their mother was accepted as a Jew"
Not so. most temples and synagogues don't care if Catholics come to services, let alone self-described Jews. Perhaps the Catholic is interested in Judaism. I went to Catholic mass once, and to Anglican mass once, and nobody threw me out, so why would we do differently. If a self-described Jew wants to marry Jewishly, some rabbis will question them, some will refuse them. There is no Jewish Pope, each rabbi thinks for him/her self. Sally Bruckheimer Princeton, NJ |
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Re: Curious question on name change
#records
rroth@...
Robert Roth Kingston, NY rroth@... |
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Tomorrow's webinar on Criminal Research, and Recording of "Researching Jewish Names and Towns"
#JewishGenUpdates
Avraham Groll
Dear JewishGen Community,
(1) Tomorrow's free JewishGen Talk webinar will take place at 2PM Eastern Time. The topic is Researching Criminal Ancestors. Please join us and click here to register now! (2) A recording of our recent JewishGen Talks webinar Methods of Researching Jewish Names and Towns is available by clicking here. (3) Please stay tuned for information about a special series of JewishGen Talks in December that will focus on DNA. Avraham Groll Executive Director JewishGen.org PS. If you are in a position to do so, please consider contributing to our Fall Appeal by clicking here. A gift of any amount will make a real difference, and can be made in honor/memory of family and friends. Membership gifts of $100+ qualify for premium features. All gifts directly help support our mission of preserving our Jewish family history and heritage for future generations. |
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Aline Petzold
Hello All:
I am wondering if someone can help me to find my father Joseph Sternberg's birth certificate. His parents were Haim Leon Sternberg and Rachel Vigderovici Sternberg. He was born in Bucharest Romania in November 1912 ( not sure of the exact date - 23 or 24?). I tried to contact the Romanian National Archives but the site is difficult to navigate and they asked for information that I was unwilling to supply to them. Thanks for your help. Aline Sternberg Petzold St. Paul MN USA |
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Re: Have the towns in Prussia but can't read the handwriting
#translation
Ines Klein
I read Julius and Levin ARNDT, Benji Sanders and Bertha Levy and 151 Bowery.
The rest of the content like written in the other posts. Ines Klein, Germany |
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Re: Need to research name change in UK records
#unitedkingdom
#names
#general
Hi Stephen,
For UK name changes, it is often worth searching the London Gazette - https://www.thegazette.co.uk/ - you will need to "search the archives" using the search terms Salmon and Smith. There will be a lot of hits, but based on what you know, you may be able to narrow things down by what you know of a possible date range for the name change. Good luck, Joyaa ANTARES Gold Coast, Qld, Australia |
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Re: was my great-grandmother Jewish?
#general
On Tue, Nov 23, 2021 at 06:31 AM, David Lewin wrote:
At 09:12 23/11/2021, ab12cohen@... wrote: |
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Re: was my great-grandmother Jewish?
#general
David Harrison <djh_119@...>
And not only the Reform but also Liberal Jews do likewise (in the UK we have two movements with a common Rabbinic College) and Rabbis who swap over and back between these two versions). I heard during a talk many years ago that the speaker had found 46 different
types of our religion in existence.
Certainly conversion of Proselytes has been common in England for many years. n my family a lady converted into the Orthodox Community after a year of living in a Jewish household to learn all about Kashrut and the festivals in addition to a course with a
Rabbi. She then married my Great Grandfather.
I have also heard of people who have been accepted, after a very short course because they had a memory that their grandmother lit candles on Friday evening and served many food dishes that were noy in the "normal English" repertoire.
Whilst a Ketubah of the parents' wedding might be useful in a new community. a statement of previous membership of another congregation should be OK, it can be checked.
David Harrison
Birmingham, England
From: main@... <main@...> on behalf of David Lewin <david@...>
Sent: 23 November 2021 10:38 To: main@... <main@...>; main@... <main@...> Cc: ab12cohen@... <ab12cohen@...> Subject: Re: [JewishGen.org] was my great-grandmother Jewish? #general At 09:12 23/11/2021, ab12cohen@... wrote:
Surely the only method common to all or most Jewish religeous Not so Nowadays Reform congregations - and I believe Israel in the Law-of-Return - use the "Nazi definitions" where the paternal line of descent is Jewish I still believe that the bottom line is "the person who says they are Jewish is...." That does not mean that ALL Jews will acept it. There will be an argument - and that, in itself, is Jewish David Lewin London |
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Re: ViewMate translation request - RUSSIAN
#russia
#poland
#belarus
#translation
ryabinkym@...
On Mon, Nov 22, 2021 at 07:42 PM, <jaskinnon@...> wrote:
https://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM96047 In Russian:
Посад Рожан и Посад Чижев #23 Состоялось в посаде Чижев 1-го марта 1905 года в 9 часов утра. Явились лично Лейзер Веторж, домовладелец, 54-х лет и Пейсах Суравич, (не ясно), 56-и лет, оба жители посада Чижев и объявили, что сегодня был заключен религиозный брачный союз между Мошком Мойжеш, холостым, 19-и лет, сыном Герша-Бера и Ривки, урожденной Смоленской, родившимся и живущим в посаде Рожан с Элькой Дзбанек, девицей, 18-и лет, дочерью Меера и Хинки-Суры, урожденной Котлярек, родившейся и живущей в посаде Чижев. Браку этому предшествовали троекратное оглашение в Рожанской и Чижевской синагогах - 11-го, 18-го и 25-го декабря прошлого года. Дозволение присутстствующих лично при заключении брака и сего акта родителей новобрачных заявлено словесно. Новобрачные заявили, что предбрачный договор между ними заключен не был. Религиозный брачный союз был совершен равином Чижевского религиозного округа Шмулем-Давидом Завлодавер. Акт сей по прочтении равином новобрачным и свидетелям, ими и нами подписан. Прочие лица заявили, что писать не умеют. Равин Шмуль-Давид Завлодавер Лейзер Веторж Пейсах Суравич Содержащий акты гражданского состояния Подпись Translated into English: Posad Rojan and Posad Chizhev # 23 It took place in Posad Chizhev on March 1, 1905 at 9 am. Leizer Vetorzh, a homeowner, 54 years old, and Peisakh Suravich, (not clear), 56 years old, both residents of the Chizhev posad, appeared personally and announced that today a religious marriage was concluded between Moshko Moyzhesh, single, 19 years old, the son of Gersh-Ber and Rivka, nee Smolenskaya, who was born and lives in Posad Rozhan with Elka Dzbanek, a maiden, 18 years old, daughter of Meer and Khinka-Sura, nee Kotlyarek, who was born and lives in Posad Chizhev. This marriage was preceded by a three-fold announcement in the Rozhan and Chizhev synagogues - on the 11th, 18th and 25th December last year. The permission of the parents of the newlyweds who are present personally at the conclusion of the marriage and this act is declared verbally. The newlyweds said that the prenuptial agreement between them was not concluded. The religious marriage union was accomplished by the rabbi of the Chizhev religious district, Shmul-David Zavlodaver. This act, upon reading by the rabbi to newlyweds and witnesses, was signed by them and by us. Others said they could not write. Rabbi Shmul-David Zavlodaver Lacer Vetorzh Peisakh Suravich Containing acts of civil status Signature Translated by Michael RyabinkyBoynton Beach, FL |
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Re: Need to research name change in UK records
#unitedkingdom
#names
#general
Michael Hoffman
Hello Stephen,
Contact the Jewish Genealogical Society of Great Britain, they have an excellent branch of the society in Manchester who would be able to help you, you can make contact on the following website www.jgsgb.org.uk or via. their Facebook Page. Regards, Michael Hoffman Borehamwood, HERTS UK |
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Re: was my great-grandmother Jewish?
#general
David Lewin
At 09:12 23/11/2021, ab12cohen@... wrote:
Surely the only method common to all or most Jewish religeous Not so Nowadays Reform congregations - and I believe Israel in the Law-of-Return - use the "Nazi definitions" where the paternal line of descent is Jewish I still believe that the bottom line is "the person who says they are Jewish is...." That does not mean that ALL Jews will acept it. There will be an argument - and that, in itself, is Jewish David Lewin London |
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Re: was my great-grandmother Jewish?
#general
ab12cohen@...
Surely the only method common to all or most Jewish religeous groups of deciding whether someone is a Jew is whether their mother was accepted as a Jew. If the father was Jewish and the mother was not then the child would not usually be accepted as Jewish even if he/she considered he/she was.
Proof of the mother's Jewish state would be verifiable by a ktsubah (hers or her mother's) or burial in a Jewish cemetery. There is no scientific evidence, and it doesn't depend on what a person 'feels'. Alan Cohen |
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